@mcstorm "but to say people want to buy a gaming PC to put on the TV is wrong."

That's exactly what I did and I'm sure I'm not the only one. There was a time where an Xbox sat under my TV, but gone are those days. For the foreseeable future, my TV will never be without a PS, Nintendo console and of course a "gaming PC". Not just for the fact I can play both Xbox and PC games on it, but because I am able to use it for much more than just a gaming PC.

Crotaa

Its possible Microsoft could do a special event to reveal the Scorpio. I kind of look for Phil Spencer to do it at E3 though, just judging from his character. I look for Sony to announce their next PlayStation project even though its at least 2 years away. They know how attractive the Scorpio will be to gamers. It will be all about the Scorpio until they respond with something better.

PLEASE everyone take note of this day and this article. Well see in about two years or so

@Lex

And Microsoft can also choose which information they want to share with us and investors.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Monthly Active Users seems to be the replace for Xbox One hardware numbers.

Some interesting bits from the article.

"Monthly active users means the number of people who logged into Xbox Live in the past 30 days and it counts not only Xbox One, but also Xbox 360 and PC. For Microsoft's latest quarter, it had 48 million monthly active users."

"The nice thing about us selling consoles is your console install base will always go up. But that's not really a reflection of how healthy your ecosystem is. We focus on the monthly active user base because we know those are gamers making a conscious choice to pick our content, our games, our platform, our service. We want to gauge our success on how happy and engaged those customers are. We need to keep them happy."

@Moldy, we have to take Microsoft and Sony... and replace with Xbox and Playstation. In the overall scheme of things Microsoft is on another level than Sony as a company. Sony is bleeding money.....

Because Nintendo has strong 1st party whereas MS's is, at this point anyway, next to nonexistant?

Its that a Mario or Zelda title can be so varied from the last entry that make mention of a new game something to be excited for, where Halo or Gears is more of the same. Suffers because more story then, "Shoot and Kill Things" is being inserted into them.

And after three console gens with only one arguable where they lead, and again given that was only by one territory, I would hardly call MS any sort of threat much less Sony's biggest.

@Godmars290
"Because Nintendo has strong 1st party whereas MS's is, at this point anyway, next to nonexistant?"

and the wii u sold half of the xbox one and the xbox one has been out less time. this just goes to show third party is actually more important because nintendo has stronger value in its first party than sony does.

"And after three console gens with only one arguable where they lead, and again given that was only by one territory, I would hardly call MS any sort of threat much less Sony's biggest."

of course they are, its why sony fans are so obsessed with what they do and hardware sales have proven nintendo has sold less systems and the wii was just an anomaly that attracted the casual crowd who have moved on. in fact third party are still much more apprehensive to support switch over the xbox. there is a lot more optimism over switch here but where it counts with developers there is a lot more suppprt going forward with the xbox. so who are we to belive more, a site infested with sony fans who hate microsoft or developers who suppprt where they can make the most money?

Nintendo's issue is that they're unwilling to commit to the tech race MS and Sony are in. Meanwhile both have borrowed from Nintendo while not really adding much since Sony took and ran with CDs. But because 3rd party devs, namely EA and Activision, also chase the tech-dragon they don't want to step back a gen or two much stop relying on patches and updates where Nintendo has yet to grasp such concepts. If they had done such with the Wii, that is, if the Wii had actually been a comparable system of its gen rather than a half measure with a gimmick, it would have blown the 360 and PS3 out of the water.

Similarly, if MS gave up on micromanaging their 1st party studios towards stagnancy, stopped trying to rely on 3rd parties and giving more to their user base than lip service, they'd be in a better position. As is they pushed always online, gave no real incentives while insisting that they were, and in general put their own wants above the consumer base they mistakenly think they own.

Moldy just can't help himself putting words in the mouths of others and inventing scenarios that didn't happen. Like the time he accused me of gaming exclusively on Sony platforms because of his dislike for the things I have said about Microsoft and Xbox in the past. It's funny how he's digging into me about not bringing up Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support enough - as if there's even a quota. It's funny because you criticise Sony and PlayStation more than Microsoft by an absolute landslide, you don't criticise Nintendo for the same things you criticise Sony for as if those are expected, you shove genuinely bad Xbox news and under the rug until there's no more room left, you don't live by your own supposed principles of "choice" when they directly relate to Microsoft witholding choice from PC gamers in the PC market. And you lie about PlayStation to serve the agenda you pretend isn't there. But, those of us who don't criticise Nintendo enough are the ones with the agenda...... rightttttt... definitely not the hypocrite who trolls Sony articles and claims to hate console wars. 🙄

Luckily, Nintendo has a strong enough first-party that isn't in a decline or in risk of become stagnant due to inherent creativity, and they're still supporting their consoles with properties that define them. Nintendo also doesn't have investors that are encouraging them to close internal studios. The third party side of things is something they can only change with the foundation of how they envision their own hardware (in terms of power), but what you're really trying to do is to use Nintendo's unique situation as a console manufacturer as a tool to attack others you don't like. So what's worse, really?

Godmars trounced you, like we all did in that other article where you were just there to troll and spread stupidity and misinformation about the PlayStation brand. You try and downplay exclusivity in every and all forms (for obvious reasons) and we all know why it became more frequent as soon as Xbox lost all of its exclusives to the PC. In this case you try and act as though 3rd party is the key to success for Nintendo, which may well be true, but it's under the guise of "exclusives don't matter" and "Wii was an anomaly" which don't really say anything to disprove anything I initially said.

That is something you LITERALLY berated someone else for in another article not long ago, and yet you're doing the same thing here. You're just trying to misdirect and divert criticism of Microsoft and trying to make it about the character of someone you dislike rather than responding about what the person initially said.

@Godmars290
"Nintendo's issue is that they're unwilling to commit to the tech race MS and Sony are in. Meanwhile both have borrowed from Nintendo while not really adding much since Sony took and ran with CDs. But because 3rd party devs, namely EA and Activision, also chase the tech-dragon they don't want to step back a gen or two much stop relying on patches and updates where Nintendo has yet to grasp such concepts. If they had done such with the Wii, that is, if the Wii had actually been a comparable system of its gen rather than a half measure with a gimmick, it would have blown the 360 and PS3 out of the water. "

which reflects nintendo's lack of competition as seen by hardware sales. switch might do better but once again they are going in their own direction which looks to continue the issue with western devs.

"Similarly, if MS gave up on micromanaging their 1st party studios towards stagnancy, stopped trying to rely on 3rd parties and giving more to their user base than lip service, they'd be in a better position. As is they pushed always online, gave no real incentives while insisting that they were, and in general put their own wants above the consumer base they mistakenly think they own."

and even with a lack of investment that compares to nintendo and sony they have still manged to sell double the wii u and are really the only competition for sony. which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo.

@DigitalRaptor
"Moldy just can't help himself putting words in the mouths of others and inventing scenarios that didn't happen."

then prove me wrong, show us all your history on talking about nintendo as much as you do about microsoft. i'll wait...and sowill everyone else because we all know what i said is true.

"It's funny because you criticise Sony and PlayStation more than Microsoft by an absolute landslide, you don't criticise Nintendo for the same things you criticise Sony for

ok, stop right there and think to yourself how you are describing you and instead of sony replace it with microsoft.

"Nintendo also doesn't have investors that are encouraging them to close internal studios. The third party side of things is something they can only change with the foundation of how they envision their own hardware (in terms of power), but what you're really trying to do is to use Nintendo's unique situation as a console manufacturer as a tool to attack others you don't like. So what's worse, really?"

the proof is in third party support. you guys keep giving nintendo a free pass and we all know why you do and instead concentrate all your efforts on microsoft. we also know you hope this is microsoft's last console. thats what happens when you take your toys to a personal level. not once would i ever consider sony to stop doing what they are doing so please continue this comedy act of yours going after me for doinf far less than you have done towards microsoft.

"which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo."

Which is an opinion that you constantly try and paint as fact because of the people you dislike and what they say about the corporation and brand that you value. Just like you think that not talking about and criticizing Nintendo to the same degree as Microsoft constitutes hypocrisy and also a tool to use to hate on them, which again is an opinion.
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"then prove me wrong, show us all your history on talking about nintendo as much as you do about microsoft. i'll wait...and sowill everyone else because we all know what i said is true."

I'm not quite sure what you think gives you the upper ground here, considering you've point blank ignored me because you know you can't prove things I've asked for in the past. Regardless, I went as far as saying that I don't have a long history of talking about Nintendo's third-party inadequacies on this site - if you'd have read my comment properly (something you continually fail to do, I mean continually) you'd have not needed to talk about that to try and discredit me. We all know what I said in the original comment (that you conveniently glossed over in order to attack me) is true, but as I said you cherry picked what you wanted to to make this not about the article or what I said, but me - or in this case, you didn't respond to ANY of it.

And not just this, but you took the conversation completely off-topic, which is something you've criticized others for doing, but it's okay in this instance because you're moldybread and ignoring the contents of the original comment and going off-topic is okay when you have beef with DigitalRaptor. It doesn't matter if what they say is true, if they're not criticizing Nintendo for certain things, you can pretend it's not valid and hopefully get others to agree with you if you make it more personal.
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"ok, stop right there and think to yourself how you are describing you and instead of sony replace it with microsoft."

When have I ever denied that is what I do or have done? Your existence on this site is seemingly to attack me based on what I say about MS and Xbox. It affects you deeply. Equally you do exactly what I described, so why don't you prove otherwise? It's one thing to try and accuse others of attacking MS and not doing the same for Nintendo, but you do the exact same except with you it's the opposite. You don't criticise MS or Nintendo for the same ideals you do with Sony. Nor do you seem to care about balance as long is it makes Sony look bad and a PlayStation product look less desirable to those reading your comments, and it doesn't even have to be factual.
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"you guys keep giving nintendo a free pass and we all know why you do"

Just like we all know why you troll on PlayStation articles and downplay the value of exclusive games on a platform, right? It's just as easy to form that opinion of you. Having said that, I think most people have treated Nintendo differently for a long time, and I definitely do and don't shy away from admitting it because they are certainly (without doubt, undeniably) different in a valuable sense to the industry. It's weird to see you use this as a base of comparison considering Nintendo have been in this industry for 30 years and have made certain choices that define their brand. Meanwhile, Xbox has been in it for just 15 years and what do we have, but what I have described in my initial comment?

"we also know you hope this is microsoft's last console. thats what happens when you take your toys to a personal level."

Putting words in mouths again I see. Forming an opinion from personal dislike of a person because of the truths they tell of a multibillion dollar corporation and their brand is definitely not you taking it personally, and I'm sure that time you got aggressive with me for simply bringing up praise of PS4's upcoming lineup of games isn't personal either. I'm sure you hate the console wars, and I'm sure you're not taking PS4 fans being passionate about the PS4 personally either... /s
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So all in all, what can we gauge from your response? Cherry picked quotes where you only answered what you think you had a point addressing, and ignored the rest. But funnily enough, you criticised someone else on here very recently for doing the same thing. So we've established you're a hypocrite, that enjoys calling out hypocrisy mostly in a broad sense against a fanbase or sometimes personally, and that you would rather try and discredit someone to shield Microsoft from criticism than actually address their comments.

"they have still manged to sell double the wii u"

What does that even mean as you insist, as its been admitted by all including Nintendo, that the Wii u is a failure? Like insisting that though the first Xbox lead the Gamecube by 2 million in sales, trailed behind the PS2 by a 100 million, that 2nd place was somehow significant.

The XB1 has limited presence in the US and some of the EU while the PS4 leads those same markets as well as the rest of the world, owns a 2-1 lead in this cripple-minded mentality of a market, and somehow MS is a threat? If so, then not by any direct, product-to-product, means.

"which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo."

Can't speak for Sony fans, but my only Xbox interest, after the always online fixation became apparent, was sub-based access to online. Which is now a thing on all systems but PC, and not for a lack of trying.

You do enjoy living in fanboy fantasy land moldy. You really, really do.

I've come to the conclusion that MS actions, policies, and general performance this gen has broken Moldybread.

He used to be somewhat intelligent when trying to do what he's doing here.

@Lennox

Lol. This is so true but I don't really see diehard nintendo fans saying that though, it's mostly the Sony fans you meet online.

Moldys comment below is spot on. Xbox one sales haven't reduced due to the play anywhere initiative. Those who want to buy the console are still very interested in it and all these BS comments you read online i.e "no exclusives", "I can just pick up said games on PC" don't hold water. Not everyone likes PC gaming and as long as MS keeps investing and improving the xbox ecosystem with better online infrastructure, great hardware,1st party games and strong 3rd party relationships people will keep buying their console. Nothing anyone can do about that an for those with windows 10 PCs and Xbox One consoles, Play anywhere is an amazing feature.

christocolus, i'm not worried about them no longer using the xbox as their main focus, in fact i welcome them supporting the pc. it gives many choices. even nintendo is hoping 3ds gamers eventually migrate to the switch and will use the 3ds an an entry point. the xbox one s is that entry point, then a more serious gamer can get scorpio if they still like a console experience and xbox live unification. or they can go my route to the pc and work within your budget.

what i am worried about is microsoft's long term goals as far as game development. are they going to turn into valve and apple who just use the device as a placeholder for others to support or will they invest more into creating more teams? if microsoft waits for e3 to give details about scorpio i would be worried. they need to get the info out before so that e3 is 't all about scorpio and intsead about games.

@Lennoxb63. I'm more of a sony fan, but I have xbox one, "soon a switch" and a pc. I buy a lot of multiplats on xbox or ps because not all my friends can afford a nice pc. It's not as far fetched as you think.

Lennoxb63 just like how Xbox fans claim they own a pc when a PS exclusive goes to PC. No double standards buddy.

@Lennox

And I like how many Xbox fans now suddenly like playing those same Xbox games on PC. It's like that's what they wanted all along.