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How Should “Xbox Scorpio” Answer PS4 Pro’s Amazing Boost Mode?

ThisGenGaming says "The gaming community can not stop gasping in amazement of the PS4 Pro’s “boost mode,” and the vast improvements that it is has made in games such as Battlefield 4, Just Cause 3, and The Evil Within. The PS4 Pro’s boost mode allows for improved gameplay and higher frame rates for games that that do not support the PS4-Pro. Beta-testers of the system’s new 4.50 software update, have been posting videos of the upcoming “boost mode” and the improvements for some games is jaw-dropping."

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gangsta_red3385d ago

So does the Scorpio not have boost mode? In fact what do we even know what the Scorpio will do?

"such as the capability to play PC games and high-end VR;"

Really? So the Scorpio will play all PC games?

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Overload3384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

Lol. The less MS talks about it, the more it does.

Gazondaily3384d ago

That's the power of the BEAST!

kitsune4513383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

Theoretically any PS4 or Xbox One should be able to play PC games due to their AMD APU. Will they? Unlikely. How would they make money off PC games?

dcbronco3383d ago

Scorpio's ability to play PC games is a given. One should be able to too. The OS is the key there and I doubt there will be major differences. With Microsoft pushing publishers to use UWP and many doing so, PC on Xbox will eventually happen. It will be truly play anywhere once most phones pass the snapdragon 835 soc power threshold

DillyDilly3384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

The Scorpio does not need a Boost Mode it needs a Ludicrous Speed mode

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OMGitzThatGuy3384d ago

The One S technically has a boost mode as all games run slighter better than OG One. All it does is not downclock to PS4 speeds. It was literally more work to implement downclocks than the boost mode.

TheCommentator3384d ago

XB1S doesn't need a boost mode because it automatically helps any games with dynamic resolution or an unlocked framerate. Maybe Scorpio will have user selectable options for attempting to boost games though? Too early to tell.

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TankCrossing3384d ago

It would be harder for the Scorpio not to have a boost mode. "compatibility mode" is a bigger challenge, as (unlike the PS4 Pro) it doesn't have the hardware to perfectly replicate the standard model.

TheCommentator3384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

MS doesn't have problems getting 360 to run on XB1, yet even tech websites said it would be impossible. Besides, Phil already stated that Scorpio is a more powerful XB1, sharing the same architectures, and that's why maintaining FC won't be a problem. I think you just can't admit that the XB1 was a prototype for Vega.

TankCrossing3384d ago

I'm not saying I anticipate compatibility issues. I'm saying "boost mode" is the default position, and including a "compatibility mode" would be the bit that needed some work.

As for the original xbox one being a prototype for the Vega... Lol? That's simply nonsense.

Lenrulesdaworld3384d ago

doesn't need it, its the software that replicates it and allows it to scale to the hardware.

TheCommentator3383d ago

Not nonsense. Phil said that the Scorpio is the same hardware, but more powerful. The Hardware supposedly used for Scorpio is Vega. Seems pretty obvious to me, but you can dig deeper and look at how information flows between parts of the GPU's if you like. The similarities are quite striking.

Was it also nonsense when the 360 introduced unified shaders to the PC GPU industry?

TankCrossing3383d ago

Goodness you're right, that Xbox One is a beast so fierce and powerful that it has taken AMD almost 4 years to tame and implement in a graphics card for the PC. Why can't everyone else see it like we can?

TheCommentator3383d ago

Because people like you can't take off your blinders and listen to what's actually posted here in various articles about the subject. Phil was asked how Scorpio could maintain FC if it's using Vega, to which he responded that XB1 and Scorpio are using the same architectures. I'm gonna LMAO when the games for the XB1 end up on par with their PS4 counterparts, maybe better. Tile-based rasterization cannot be done on PS4 with HW. Their software soultion is the same as that used by every other AMD card, and it's slow as hell compared to the FL12.1 HW in the XB1. SM6 just introduced the HW to developers, and Gears is the first game to even use SM6.

FYI, XB1 is not a powerful beast, it's an efficient one, and you got so caught up in your mocking that you forgot that I said Vega is a more powerful version of XB1. You obviously don't care enough to look up what I said though, so instead of looking educated you just look dumb (and as usual, your dumb friends agree with you). Are you proud of yourself now? SMH.

TankCrossing3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

Nobody looking dumb here buddy. I can't wait to get all that cutting edge Xbox One tech in my PC later this year.

I follow GPU tech news pretty,and no I won't be visiting that Mr X nonsense you are getting your information from. Thanks.

PS Phil was referring to x86-64 architecture.

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XanderZane3384d ago

Scorpio won't need a boost mode. It will do what the PS4 Pro boost mode does and more. All they really need is more quality games to show off it's power. Don't even know why this article was created. Microsoft doesn't need to answer anything.

This is the only thing I can see Microsoft trying to do. This would be impressive if they did this.
"If Microsoft can develop their own “boost mode” or similar feature, to enhance the FPS for backwards compatible Xbox 360 games, their hypothetical “boost mode” would apply to numerous previous-gen games, which PS4 Pro gamers would not be able to experience."

Christopher3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

***Really? So the Scorpio will play all PC games?***

I've seen people starting to recite this as fact when it started with a 'how cool would it be if...' item. This is why I hate people hyping things up.

rainslacker3383d ago

There are issues there when it comes to putting PC games on a console. Too many licensing issues that come with consoles, and MS circumventing them to get more games on the console isn't going to settle well within the industry, because it basically takes all incentive for publishers to try and make a buck off the console makers through exclusive deal BS.

Granted, a lot of games could be put on the system, but anything that's multiplat may be an issue depending on what deals may be in place.

It'll be an interesting thing if MS tries to make Xbox into a PC console.

Aenea3383d ago

Yep, really weird that they mention that!

Also the high fidelity VR bit is something to wonder about, we don't know if and how it will support VR and if it uses Rift/Vive chances are it isn't even going to be higher fidelity than on a PS4 Pro (slightly higher resolution to render and 90fps instead of 60fps meaning it has to render 1.875 more pixels per second than the PS4 Pro, Scorpio is fast and faster than the Pro but not by that much)...

Major_Glitch3383d ago

Dear Xbox fans,
Shut up and go buy games. Your console of choice needs all the help it can get. The Xbone has already lost this gen, and is beginning to become irrelevant. You can disagree all you want, but it won't change FACTS.

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LexHazard793385d ago (Edited 3385d ago )

It doesn't need a boost mode. All xbox one games will run better on Scorpio. The only patch needed would be if developers want to up resolution on certain games.

If you wanna read this interview with Phil. He gives an example of how games get a boost on Scorpio.

http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

tyasia03384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

That's not what he says of course.

The example he gives is Halo 5 which uses dynamic resolution scaling to maintain 60 fps. So on that particular rendering style the the Scorpio would benefit because theoretically it should be able to maintain 60 FPS. But that's hardly all games it's only games that use dynamic resolution scaling.

TankCrossing3384d ago

Which means it doesn't downclock or restrict resources to match the One. That's all there is to "Boost mode" as well.

Better question would be "will Scorpio have any compatibility issues with existing games?" Because it cannot ever perfectly replicate the Xbox One, there are fundamental hardware differences (ESRAM). It probably won't be a problem, but at least the question has some merit.

LexHazard793383d ago

Which is alot of games on Xbox One.

Ju3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

It's exactly the same as boost mode. But, like TankCrossing said, what about games which hit ESRAM directly? How does MS guarantee, that all games work? Same on the Pro, even that is a simple clock upscale. Some games crash (not many, though). But at least there, they could blacklist those, and HW switch to "standard mode". Will MS have some sort of a sandbox for those games, the Scorpio doesn't have a compatibility mode?

MecheSlays3384d ago

Scorpio doesn't need a boost because its not gonna lock down the extra resources and limit older games

ziggurcat3384d ago

while it'll definitely stabilize frame rate, and likely bump resolution up to a native 1080p, anything beyond that would probably have to be patched in by the devs. you more than likely won't see current Xbox One titles go from, say 900p at a capped 30FPS to 4K at a locked 60FPS.

its_JEFF3384d ago

@ziggurcat You're right, unless the game code itself has dynamic framerate already in there.... no amount of power will bump that up. A lot of games are hard coded to run at a certain frame rate. To change that would mean for the developer to go in a tweak their code... which could very well end up eating too much time and costing way too much.

TankCrossing3384d ago

It would be nice if MS allowed you to inject some decent AA and things into older games. Imagine if "Boost mode" on Scorpio injected MSAA and improved texture filtering or something, much like various tools on the PC do but with a fixed console player-friendly profile and a simple on/off toggle.

fathertime44643383d ago

@mecheslays
Well I guess all the people that disagree with you don't realize boost mode only makes games run at their top resolution and frame rate and Scorpio didn't need that because it was already stated to do so. A stupid title to an internal process does not make it magical. All boost does is allow the previously blocked power of the pro to run the software (games) at its intended top frame rate and resolution.. Spencer already said Scorpio would do that so no boost will be needed.
However developer updates for extra features on existing games like on pro would greatly be appreciated.

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bow2yoda3383d ago

im sure all games will perform better on the scorpio... but it would be smart to add a little automatic turbo overclocking to go on!

Godmars2903385d ago (Edited 3385d ago )

...Games...?

Ones that actually use the system. As if that will happen.

gamer11383385d ago

Same argument could be made for Pro?

Godmars2903385d ago

True. But then the Pro isn't being presented or seen as a whole other system. Its just a - slightly - beefed up PS4 whereas Scorpio is supposedly "Next Gen" while also able to play XB1 games. If such is the case then it needs to have games of its own in order to show what it can do.

OMGitzThatGuy3384d ago

^^^ Even though MS has stated multiples times that it is not "NextGen" and its simply playstation fanboys trying to justify the PS4 being alot weaker than the Scorpio, same online infrastucture, same games, same OS.

Saigon3384d ago

@OMGitzThatGuy

We know what MS has said, but there are devs out there saying something different. To me that sounds like MS needs to do a better verbal presentation of its hardware to these devs that claim otherwise; to reduce the noise they are making. Almost similar to what Sony had to do last year with the PS4 Pro.

G20WLY3384d ago

You're not seriously suggesting the Pro doesn't have enough games? Lol

JasonKCK3383d ago

Godmars290 Scorpio is only seen as "next gen" by PS fanboys in the hope that people will leave it out of future comparisons.

Ju3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

What was actually announced for Scorpio yet? Any launch titles? I mean not another Halo, Gears and Forza...by then Horizon will be out, and pretty much every high profile new release supports the Pro today. Plenty games out, plenty coming over the year. Not sure what's coming for XBO.

Inzo3383d ago

@JasonKCK

I will gladly compare them and I will confidently say that the Scorpio does not stand a chance. Once the honeymoon is over, people will realise what it will cost to buy a Scorpio and a 4K TV and it wont be cheap.

The Scorpio is a BEAST but the Playstation is the King and this King will always slay the beast.

In the words of Motorhead: " Bow down to the King"
Now try and keep that song out of your head when you think of Playstation.

r2oB3383d ago

@ OMG

Didn't Microsoft also say that they would not remove Kinect from the Xbox One? They ended up removing it. Didn't they also say they would utilize Kinect in a way that would benefit core games? We not seen Kinect utlilized in this manner. Didn't they also say they couldn't just turn off DRM like a switch? They removed it promptly. Didn't they also say the cloud would provide more power to gaming? Over three years into the cycle and what enhancements have we seen from the cloud, seems like it's an after thought now and enhancements are going to be courtesy of new hardware.

Point is, just because Microsoft says one thing now, doesn't mean it's not subject to change... ergo, their feelings on whether Xbox Scorpio is just a mere upgrade or a next gen leap.

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Lennoxb633384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

"Its just a - slightly - beefed up PS4 whereas Scorpio is supposedly "Next Gen" while also able to play XB1 games."

Make no mistake that the Pro will also be able to play games that the base PS4 can't. So does that make the Pro "Next Gen" as well?

Godmars2903384d ago

Like I said, its not being suggested that the Pro is more than a beefier PS4.

More to the point Sony has a better track record of producing games just for their hardware. They don't go back and fourth on exclusivity or commit towards the promotion of canceled titles.

ziggurcat3384d ago

"Make no mistake that the Pro will also be able to play games that the base PS4 can't."

no it won't. the base PS4 will be able to play any game the Pro model can. Same goes for Xbox One, and Scorpio.

chrisoadamson3384d ago

Scorpio has not been represented as a next gen system, quite the opposite . the message from microsoft has been clear that it is an upgraded xbox one. dont get your knickers in a twist because the pro upgrade was weak and hindered due to performance parity clause in multiplayer.

Goldby3384d ago

technically speaking, if its quite the opposite of next gen, that would mean last gen.

Is the scorpio an upgraded xbox 360?

sorry had to ask.. /s

Ju3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

If you think the Pro is "weak and hindered" than you certainly don't have one.

Scorpio has an advantage, because, frankly, XBO games are just the worst of all 3 out of the bunch today. So of course, you'll notice the gap more drastically. But I wonder if those jaggies will magically disappear without a patch.

Gazondaily3384d ago

@Godmars

"Scorpio is supposedly "Next Gen" while also able to play XB1 games. "

According to....?

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Chris123384d ago

Not sure why you bother, Godmars and his mates are all trolls. It's been clear from the start Scorpio is no different to the Pro, just more powerful. The trolls just keep running with the whole next gen, no games argument to get people to bite. It would be funny if it didn't happen in every single article that involves Xbox.

Godmars2903384d ago

@Septic:
This guy:
http://n4g.com/news/2012474...

Of course MS didn't say it, they just let rumors get out of control.

Gazondaily3384d ago

"Of course MS didn't say it, they just let rumors get out of control."

Except they have specifically said no to Scorpio exclusive games...

Goldby3384d ago

@Septic

Ms has said no to exclusives, but isn't stopping developers from deciding how to use the power. and if they make it exclusive.

Godmars2903383d ago

@Septic:
Only to validate the Scorpio it needs to have its own games.

Or hell, maybe it can get by playing XB1 titles at higher frame rates pixel counts.

@Chris12:
The reason the no games argument has crept up, in part, is because at least two major XB1 titles got canceled. Because MS has a rep for only having Forza Gears and Halo.

Ju3383d ago

What's with that "Next Gen" crap. If it runs the same games and same UI (OS) it's not "Next Gen" just because it runs it faster. Did MS announce a different dash board for the Scorpio? (I hope they will)

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TheCommentator3384d ago

You have no evidence from MS that Scorpio is next gen. Matter of fact, Phil has said that Scorpio is using the same architecture as the XB1, but more powerful. Since it's not being "suggested" by MS that it's a next gen console your argument is flawed. Maybe you're just mad that the Ori devs said the Pro was weak?

Goldby3384d ago (Edited 3384d ago )

Phil also stated kinect was integral to the OS of Xbox 1.

Phil also said that the cloud is equal to 3 xboxes.

Phil has said alot of things that have turned out to be less than true.

i just find it odd that when hes refering to the scorpio he calls it simply that, the scorpio, but when referring to the games it plays, they are xbox one games. if it was the same family with forwards compatibility and backwards and not next gen, wouldn't he not have to make the distinction between the console and game platform? wouldn't it just be the scoprio can play xbox games.

TheCommentator3383d ago (Edited 3383d ago )

•Kinect was integral at launch. Phil also stated at that time that it would be very difficult to remove it, but that's what gamers asked for and it took about a year to get the job done.

•And for all you know it still could be 3 times the power. Matter of fact, Crackdown is getting ready to show that it can be 20 times the power if used for physics.

If you're trying to insinuate that he's lying, you're not doing a very good job. As to why you find it odd that a more powerful XB1 plays XB1 games but is called Scorpio? Because Scorpio is a code name. Honestly, did MS call the XB1 "Kryptos"?

Goldby3383d ago

@the commentator

Don't get me started on Crackdown. i'll be inpressed when they don't show it off at a conference and instead show up to some random persons house and hook it up to normal internet when shit gets bogged down when someone decided to watch netflix or amazon prime.

in a perfect world the cloud probably does work as intended. only issue no one lives in a perfect world.

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Automatic793385d ago

In response to the question/title - no answer needed Xbox Scorpio will be the most powerful console of this generation. That should be sufficient response.

KwietStorm_BLM3384d ago

That doesn't actually address the question specifically, at all.

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Sony Looking To Sell A Lot Of PS4 Pro's Come Christmas Says Jim Ryan

In a recent interview with GamesIndustry.biz , Sony's Jim Ryan talked a bit about the PS4 Pro and how they had underestimated its demand.

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donthate3250d ago

According to Pachter, the PS4 Pro sales aren't doing very good. Maybe drop the price $50 and bundle in a game since Xbox One X is coming?

thatguyhayat3250d ago

Patcher baffles himself sometimes. Ps4 pro is doing really well

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3250d ago

Agreed. If 1 in 4 PS4's being sold is a Pro anything Pachter says about PS4 Pro sales numbers should be completely ignored.

bigmalky3250d ago

You can buy a PS4 Pro, with Horizon and Wipeout for £350 in the UK at the minute. Basically, you're getting the console for £280... I'd say that's a bargain. Why do people keep asking for another £50/$50 off when plenty of places do bundle deals with great prices?

Ju3250d ago

I have the feeling there is a price cut coming for the holidays.

LamerTamer3250d ago

They will have a hard time with X1X out.

bigmalky3250d ago

No they won't. Most parents will probably go for the cheaper option for Christmas presents. Most gamers that were waiting for a price for XoX, unless they're die hard Microsoft fans or spec junkies, will see that Sony have a cheaper option with huge exclusives coming in the new year, along with third party titles that will probably look little different to their XoX counterparts.

It's amazing how biased opinions seem to speak for the entire gaming population, instead of looking at people as beings that can, and will, use logic.

Petebloodyonion3250d ago

Most parents will go for the basic version of Ps4 or Xbox1 instead of a pro or X1X.
Most parents will ask if it's play COD, FIFA or GTA since theses are the biggest sellers on both platforms.
Most parents don't have freaking clues about the exclusives coming on Xbox or PS4 just like you probably don't have a clue about exclusive deals coming on Apple music.

It's amazing how N4G hardcore gamers seem to speak for the entire gaming population, instead of looking at people as beings that can, and will, follow the herd of COD/ GTA/ FiFA.

bigmalky3250d ago (Edited 3250d ago )

@Petebloodyonion

If you read my post properly, you'll see that I said parents will go for the cheaper console. I never even mentioned whether that's the upgraded models or not.

As for the games, it was in regard to gamers wanting a console, not the parents. Totally different sentence and subject.

It's amazing how people would actually look less like idiots if they actually read an entire post, before jumping on someone's comments.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3250d ago

If Sony drops the price of the Pro and it's $150 cheaper than the $500, checkerboarding beast, the only thing Sony will have a hard time doing is shipping Pro's to retailers.

bigmalky3250d ago

They don't need to drop the price. You can buy a Pro with one or two games in a package for £100 cheaper than an XoX with nothing on it's release.

LIGATURE3250d ago

I love ps4 but if the x gives all the multiplat games at least 1080/60 and update past multiplat games then id go for the x.but id get a switch before ither😂

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