I think the DEV. looked at the Blu Ray drive and found a way for it to work out for the game that they are making.

Blu ray has its positives and it negatives, just like DVD9's that have been compressed. The bottom line is PS3 owners do not have to worry about retarded long load times because the DEV. took the care to make the best out of what they have.

The PS3 is here and they need to sell a game, so they do what they can to make it enjoyable.

its right there in your face that they had to basically duplicate the game(copy the game on the disc twice)to make up for the slow load time an you try to make it seem like its no big deal!!then you talk about loading the game to your HDD!! why should you have to do that!! your HDD WAS SUPPOSED to be for all YOUR CONTENT!!music, game demos,pictures ect.no matter how you guys spin it!! blue ray is a good movie format but its just not the best for games an you know it!!you guy say that once games get bigger an longer they will not be able to be played on xbox(dvd9)but at the same time games getting bigger an longer WILL require you to install half the game on the HDD!!

to spare i can set aside about 20 for my games no biggie.

You PS3 fanboys are sooooo distressed from daily negative news about your PS3 (which most of you don't even OWN yet), that you start looking at negative stories as something positive.

Give it up. Your delusional. They state because of the sucky load times-they had to duplicate the data-effectively canceling any benefits of extra storage space. The question you should be asking is; WHY don't PS3 devs give you an OPTION to install part of the game on the hdd-since PS3s have hdds across the board?! I guess there's no benefit to having EITHER version of the PS3. Sucks to be Sony.

but I think Bethesda decided that this was a better method to use to compensate for the slow BD drive in the PS3, Oblivion has alot of content(still fit on DVD9) the good news is that Blu-ray has alot of space.....but I don't care how you spin it doesn't sound good when a dev says that:

"the PS3 Oblivion team compensated for the slower drive by duplicating data across the Blu-ray disc, making it faster to find and load."

This could be or probably is a isolated case, but if I'm Sony I would hope that other dev's don't want to(have to) try something similar just to get faster load times.....thus making the space advantage, uhm well not the advantage Sony claimed it to be. BTW, I don't think loading the games to the HDD is the best way to go about it either, IMO.

As for now I will assume that the BD drive speed while slow is not something that will hender games in any significat way....so again this is probably just 1 isolated game.

I thought that blu-ray was so great for gamming. We would have better graphics and longer games because of all the space. but we were lied to, The extra space has to be used to duplicate the game because of the slow load times.

I guess we know know the truth ... sony put blu-ray into the ps3 as a trojan horse in their format war, and made a game machine second to a blu-ray movie player.

they knew their sonybots would still buy it no matter how bad the machine was.

thanks microsoft for choosing gamming first.

Dude you know they were going to start something the moment you saw the headline. lol I wasnt really complaining just wondering why he put that in there. I read the article and didnt find anything that really stoodout. I wouldnt gripe about this game because hell I still play it its a really good game, but seeing as how the ps3 isnt taking advantage of the hardvvare it has really shows us something. Developers have to start taking advantage of their br capacity,before its just a waste of space.

didnt i hear the same thing about rfom...?
i would go as far as to assume all ps3 games do this.

i await data reads on ps3 games to see if duplication is indeed the norm on blu ray games.

It's hilarious to see that the ps3 fans seem to think this is a good thing. You guys are in denial, and making complete fools out of yourselves. If sony raped your mother you people would say she needed to get laid anyways. Retards!

16 = 2 x 8

" For those idiots that can't count up to 20. 16MB > 9MB, and 16 is 2x 9."

Im not arguing against your point man, but this is one F***ed up statement.lol

It's a good thing that BluRay has all that extra room, because developers are going to HAVE to put 2-3 copies of the game on there in order to make up for the slow drive speed!

Hilarity. Anyone who things this is a "good" thing for BluRay needs to get off their knees and out of Sony's pants.

When the system costs $600 and is supposed to be so incredibly powerful that 360 is supposed to be blown away, bits like this have to make you wonder.

Remember back when all the 360 fans said that the BluRay's read speed was a bottleneck? Confirmed.

And remember when they said that Cell's mismatched cores would be hard to develop for? Confirmed.

And remember when they said that PS3's RAM issues would result in an inability to compete in terms of high-res textures, and now all of PS3's games have had worse textures than their 360 counterparts?

And remember when they said 360's scaler chip meant it was more capable of 1080p than PS3 was, and now ALL 360 games can be upconverted to 1080p while PS3's lack of a scaler chip is keeping all of its titles in 720p- or worse- 480p, thus making the 360 the ONLY next-gen console to display 1080p (regardless of conversion or no) right now?

And remember when they said the PS3 really WASN'T capable of 1080p because it wasn't any more powerful, and that it was in the same boat as 360, with 720p being the sweet spot? And ya know how lately basically ALL developers have been saying that 720p is the only way to go on PS3?

There's a slight pattern here.

well this is what I got out this one. Twisting the HEADLINES again.

http://www.gwn.com/news/sto...

But how much slower? If I had to wait an extra 5-10 seconds, then it really wouldn't matter to me. I don't think this is good or bad. It's just dealing with the nature of the beast. It's like coding on C++ or Java. You can do the same things on both but the code is different. (It's not a perfect example, but you get the idea). If Blu-Ray has the space, use it to make it load faster. I'd rather see more gameplay, but duplicate select data doesn't take up that much space. Some people need to read it again. There isn't two copies of the game, just duplicated data. Like they're really going to put in the code for the title screen twice? They probable just duplicated the code for the more strenious bits of the game.

Once again though, bad? No. Good, not that either. Just the nature of the machine.

Even I didn't know that secondary layers were read at a slower rate on dual-layer DVDs. What that means is that overall, 2x Blu-ray drives are actually faster than 12x DVD drives.

Couple that with the huge amount of space that Blu-ray has and it looks like Sony made a really good choice.

P.S. Bladestar needs to stop quoting Kotaku as 'evidence' because the truth is that Kotaku is not a reliable news source. They usually just copy information that They find on the internet, usually on some random site that got their information from another site, etc.

Bladestar's argument about 12x DVD's max speed is worthless because not only is 12x the theoretical max speed, the outer 600MB of space on a 360 DVD is blocked off due to security purposes. It couldn't reach that speed if it wanted to. Worse yet, it's dual layer so half the data is only read at a theoretical max of 8x speed.

PS3's Blu-ray drive wins in overall speed and storage.

See Sony Fanboys it is A MOVIE PLAYER FIRST GAME MACHINE SECOND, HAHAHAHA, What a joke, and you pay $600 for that my god you guys must be MORONS.

No matter what negative thing a developer says about the PS3, Sony fanboys says:

"This is probably one of the most clever tricks I've seen yet. I wonder if other devs are going to start copying this method considering there's plenty of space on Blu-ray for this"

"to spare i can set aside about 20 for my games no biggie."

What people often forget is that a 2X blu ray drive has a constant bandwith of 9MB/s.

The 360 has a 12X drive (16MB/s). This is MAX speed. But the AVERAGE read speed for a 12X drive is in fact 8x, that's 12MB/s. So the difference isn't THAT huge.
Plus, the size limit on 360 DVD's is 7GB only.

Considering that developpers can take advantage of the hard disk, i doubt there will be any differences in most multi games. They don't use swap files on the 360 since many users don't have a HDD.

This is about the best argument I've been for BR and gaming. And the only one so far that would have the chance to sway my opinion on the subject. Not enough to spend the extra dough, though...

"You got a lot of explaining to do because we have yet to see a single native 1080p 360 title. And don't bother showing box art; we already know that it signifies upscaling, not native rendering."

If box art signified scaling rather than rendering then my old 1080i only HDTV would not have been able to play Burnout Revenge or Far Cry Instincts Predator, which are both listed as 720p only on the box. For some reason the worked just fine and quite beautifully I may add.

How do you explain that? Oh wait a minute, you wasted all your bubbles spewing misinformation. Find me elsewhere and explain yourself.

PS Now that you have been proven wrong about this issue, take a look at the Lost Planet box art. 1080p. Yes. 1080p.

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.