@donthate

If you consider legitimate the fact they released it early because of the problem with NVidia, then sure. OK

Not sure what that has to do with my post....so perhaps you could clarify why you decided to mention it.

@God

That's kind of what I was implying. Sony could jump to next gen at any point, or continue on for as long as they can maintain support with the current PS4P tech. Sony could even drop the PS4 legacy mandate at some point, just like I'm saying MS could.

@andrew

Yes, I believe MS would. Sorry, but MS is well known for dropping support to push newer things. Not just in the console space, but through almost all their products. They dropped support for the original Xbox, they barely supported the 360 at the end of the gen when they could coast through to next gen and moved projects over to X1, and I believe 100% that MS isn't so invested in the OGX1 that they would hesitate to drop it prematurely.

I'm not saying it will happen right away, and it may very well never happen until the Scorpio's successor comes out, but I still think the OGX1 is going to be on the way out sooner rather than later.

rain:

It doesn't matter if MS decided to release it early or not, although I really think Sony was delayed in their mismanagement of bringing PS3 to the market.

Point was, MS won't drop support for X1 any time soon (despite the FUD you are trying to spread). MS have the longest legitimate console running in history of console. It makes no sense to drop the 30+ million users they already have any time soon. If it is far away, then why bring it up?

It's like saying Sony will suddenly drop their 50+ million user base when it suddenly starts to sell slowly. It's pointless to bring that up, because it is so far into the future nobody knows. Not even Sony or MS knows.

And no, Sony can't just jump another generation whenever they want to, just like MS can't either. That would just upset their customers, cost them a lot of money in both R&D and take on massive risk which makes no sense. It does require some business acumen to see that.

First, I was originally posting a hypothetical. But I based it on MS history.

The FUD I spread is what actually happened. MS released the 360 early due to the dispute with NVidia, and for the situation, I feel their hand was forced, and I am not one of the people who judges MS for it.

However, the way they handled the 360, and they way they handle the X1 now, does not make me think they will care that much about the OGX1 for the long haul.

However, I do feel that it will completely depend on how well the Scorpio does.

I don't think that MS will drop support soon. But I think they would do it sooner rather than latter if the Scorpio does well.

Yes, it is like saying Sony would do it too, but Sony doesn' have a history of that with their home consoles, and there is no reason to believe they would do so here. But I will concede if the PS4P sold hotter than the stock PS4, then sure, Sony may move on.

When I say that Sony could just jump into a new gen, I didn't mean to imply that they could just do it at a whim. I meant they could do it within a time frame which would be pretty appropriate to have the PS4 be a decent gen, and the PS5 being the successor, and answer to whatever success MS will have.

Agreed. They did a pretty good job of masking this with the 360 because of all of the third party marketing deals that they had along with timed exclusive content. However when you really look at it closely there's very little in terms of first-party that Microsoft has to offer outside of Killer Instinct, Halo, Gears, and Forza. Sure you'll get a one off title here and there like Ori and the Blind Forest but for the most part, Xbox is "Gears-Halo-Forza" machine. If you're cool with that, hey more power to you. However for me I prefer the more diverse PlayStation library.

@LexHazard79:
The Xbox, game-wise, suffered from falling into the wake of the PS2 as it was outsold on a 10-1 basis. The 360? That whole mess of a console gen that's only starting to be admitted to now that the XB1/PS4 are out.

And really, if the XB1 didn't suffer from a shortage of games, had traction, wasn't relying on 360 BC, the Scorpio wouldn't even be a thing.

@donthate

LOL, Sony doesn't have many games slated for this year? Are you crazy? The facts say otherwise!

And as for showing games early: I rather they are delayed then canceled 😜

@Godmars290
"The Xbox, game-wise, suffered from falling into the wake of the PS2 as it was outsold on a 10-1 basis. The 360? That whole mess of a console gen that's only starting to be admitted to now that the XB1/PS4 are out.
And really, if the XB1 didn't suffer from a shortage of games, had traction, wasn't relying on 360 BC, the Scorpio wouldn't even be a thing."

nothing you just said answered the question, what lack of third party syupport other than japanese publishers? i was right, you never actually answer anything.

@moldybread:
Nothing to your satisfaction anyway.

They outright ignored game genres with the Xbox, embarrassed themselves as JRPG beta-testers becoming more gun-shy towards JP devs with the 360, and again, the XB1 speaks for itself regarding lack of support. Have become so focused on online MP that SP titles are an active exception. Have their fans praising PSN/XBL type titles like Cuphead and Ori.

Godmars you specifically mentioned lack of third party support and now you want to rant about Microsoft and their lack of diversity and online focus. You are worst than a politician, you say one thing and then when you get challenged in the subject you deflect and dodge then move onto something else.

As I said, outside of Japanese support which they have always been gunshy towards the Xbox brand, what third party is ignoring the Xbox? Even Japanese support had improved. The old days games like tekken and devil may cry were pretty much Playstation exclusive.

@lennox

What a terrible argument. The 'external unit' is part of the PSVR headset.

@Lennox,

The external box is simply splitting the signal from the PS4 to the VR headset and HDTV. It's not adding a more powerful GPU/CPU.

@Goldby,

According to Sony, PSVR is it's own platform. Microsoft hasn't announced any new platforms for the Xbox One. There hasn't been any official announcements for VR support on Scorpio, but it's widely known it will support existing and new VR platforms due to it's increased power. VR shouldn't be the deciding factor when it comes to new generations. Switch is a next gen machine by Nintendo. PC's didn't experience a generational jump when Rift and Vive hit either.

@lennox, that box is a signal splitter so that you can see on hdtv what is being displayed in VR. Also you would have to disconnect it if you really want to take advantage of hdr gaming. But its not another console, lol....

@Lennox

Nope, that external box is not another console, it's just a splitter and does 3D audio, nothing more, nothing less.

If that's a console then the dock for the Nintendo Switch is also another console for example. It's silly...

There's no such thing as a Scorpio exclusive VR title.

@gold- just like an Xbox that doesn't have Kinect cannot play Kinect games....

That doesn't mean Kinect is a completely different generation , it's simply saying a specific feature on the specific version of Xbox is exclusive to that one SKU.

I mean you have to consider we had 360s that had HDMI, compared to 360 that didn't, is that another generation too?

When Nintendo released the ROM adapter for the Donkey Kong and Zelda Majora's Mask is that another generation as well?

Both the PS4 Pro and Xbox Scorpio are attempting to do the same thing. Just because the Scorpio has more power than the Pro, that doesn't mean it's a next gen console. If the day comes where Scorpio gets a console exclusive that the Xbox One can't play, then we can say it's the start of a new gen. Realistically it sounds like both Sony and Microsoft are looking to change the way hardware generations change.

@Edmix

Im more speaking of the fact to even play VR games on and Xbox Console, you need to first purchase the VR Headset and on top of that purchase a brand new console to be able to run.

It isn't that VR is optional, its that Scorpio is required for VR.

and as for my comment about x1 cant do 4k. they ahve a system that barely hits 1080p for all of their games, and people are honestly believe that a system (with absolutely nothing the same from x1) is the same gen when it can hit 4k gaming. the ps4pro is still a ps4 at heart, the scoprio is somehting else entirely. thats the difference.

As for games, go look at the reveal for scorpio. all the talk about is fallout 4 VR. if it wasn't exclusive, it would already be on PS4.