Can Scorpio Fix Xbox One's Reputation?

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Gazondaily3411d ago

Doubt Scorpio will fix Xbox ones bad reputation. The main problem is games. Hardware won't resolve that at all.

But this is a gen where Microsoft have been slapped around so much that I wonder how they'll approach the next gen. With extreme caution but going all out.

In the meantime, Scorpio is a reaction to their failings and competitors success. If executed well WITH a good library of games, it can certainly end the gen on a high note.

IamTylerDurden13411d ago

Scorpio will be the beginning of a new gen for Microsoft, don't kid yourself. Even the Ori dev said it's a next gen console.

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Why o why3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Your comrades don't agree with you septic. I too believe it's about games. No point having a shiny gun with no ammo. Will ms support both consoles even though they're finding it tricky supporting 1 console?

Question. Will the games be compatible with both hardwares?

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I agree with both rainslacker and moldy bread below me

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rainslacker3411d ago

One can hope that MS has been watching the forums about people constantly saying what their problem is. Spencer made mention that he wanted a more diverse portfolio, in a roundabout way, back when they got ROTTR exclusivity, and if he really meant it, and had the power and means, then hopefully they will have something good coming up to show off.

It's frustrating for me right now, because what MS does have to show for games aren't that appealing to me, but they showed some hope early on. Scalebound was kind of a blow, even though I was on the fence back and forth on my thoughts on it. Cuphead is still promising. But beyond that, nadda, although FH3 has been some good fun while I wait on GT:S.

I hate that I have to wait and see, because I don't know what to do with my X1. I hate to sell it, since I typically regret it at some point, but also, I don't even use it, so it's kind of wasted. I use retro systems with very few games for that nostalgic stuff more, and that's not a good thing IMO.

Anyhow, I won't be getting Scorpio. MS has a lot to do than promise a few compelling games for me right now. They would have to show years of consistent high quality compelling releases before I'll ever decide to give them my money for a console again. They got me this gen for the first time, but I'll be more cautious with my spending next time.

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tyasia03411d ago

The main problem is trust. the second problem is games.

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freshslicepizza3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

scorpio will fix the xbox one's image of being inferior to the ps4 (for performance) but the impact will likely be how they price it. microsoft has had an identity crysis since the very beginning for being a global brand. outside of north america and a few other areas like the uk, they have had a difficult time gaining much traction. i think a lot of that is due to how aggressive they were with xbox live.

they need to culture good studios and start investing in making their own games instead of outsourcing with outside parties. i dont think they want that type of overhead so they would rather work with other studios who are already established like insomniac and remedy. problem is you are not investing into the brand like sony and nintendo are. so then you have to look at the market and see what is selling. if most software sales are actually from publishers like activision, ubisoft and ea then maybe that explains their reluctance to invest as much. after all they see nintendo kind of drift off without third party publishers. part of what makes sony so succesful is their loyal fanbase. they are the ones on the forums, they are the ones who kept the ps3 afloat in the early days and they are the ones who will be the hardest to convince to buy an xbox product like scorpio. thats why they are first to comment and that is why they are the main ones trying to kill any momentum scorpio may have. it will take quite a bit for them to change directions now.

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Edito3411d ago

This Gen is already ended and they are starting a new Gen earlier because they know the Xbox One Reputaion is unfixable... Power with no games it's like a Ferrari with no Gas i rather have a corolla with full tank...

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fiveby93411d ago

Have to agree with Septic here. Scorpio alone will not cure reputation problems for MS. The variety and quality of games is equally if not more important. Not sure yet I will buy a Scorpio. Between my PS4 and ability to play some XBOX titles on pc now not sure I feel the need to replace my X1 with a Scorpio.

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WickedLester3410d ago

"Scorpio will be the beginning of a new gen for Microsoft, don't kid yourself. Even the Ori dev said it's a next gen console"

It will be a faster Xbox One. Fans need to temper their expectations with this console. As long as MS holds developers to the promise of "forward compatibility" with the standard Xbox One, this will never be a true next gen console.

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UnHoly_One3411d ago

The only people that think anything needs to be "fixed" aren't going to be pleased by anything MS does anyway, so who cares?

tyasia03411d ago

Well then they're in trouble cause that's a lot of people.

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LordJamar3410d ago

kind agree the people saying ms needs to do this or that to change there image was never going to get a xbox in the first place and nothing ms will do will ever please them

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IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3411d ago

The only thing that will change Xbox's image is GAMES.

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rainslacker3411d ago

Their reputation has nothing to do with the hardware. It has to do with their initial policies, frustrating marketing, and lack of variety in their high profile games.

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freshslicepizza3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

and yet its sony who has taken the image of being the dictator, refusing to offer cross play and ignoring developers requests with other consoles, ignoring fans requests for features like changing your username or allowing extrenal hard drives. not allowing its users to decide if they want services like ea access. now being the agressor with third party and striking exclusive deals. its been a real 180

they have also been the ones now looking for profits at every turn. no ps1, ps2 or ps3 support other than a service called playstation now. raising prices for plus which is now required to play online (like xbox live and now switch), all while mostly ignoring aaa games (for the ps4) that the ps3 and vita got in favor of indie games.

but sony is also making the most moves in getting new ip's out there so this gives them a free pass

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rainslacker3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Not really. Sony seems to have a pretty good public image right now, so they must be doing something right.

I'm not going to get into your list about what Sony has or hasn't done, because it's off topic to the article, and even my comment. I'm not sure why you even bring it up. I managed to make my comment here without making it about Sony, or which one is the lesser/worse of two evils.

MS problems are their own doing, not Sony's. No matter how bad Sony may be, they aren't the root of MS problems. Maybe if you address MS problems, they'll get fixed because MS will start listening, instead of them acting like their problem is that Sony is somehow outdoing them because of hardware.

If you want to see why Sony is successful, and why they have a good reputation, despite their flaws, it comes down to two simple things.

A simple message, and games.

It's so easy to figure out, that most of the entire PS fan base has figured it out, and I'm seeing more and more Xbox fans even recognizing it. It's surprising that MS can't actually figure out a way to actually do the same thing. MS talks about how great it is, but fail to understand, and fail worse at showing, hence, the Scorpio won't fix their reputation.

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freshslicepizza3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

@rainslacker
"Sony seems to have a pretty good public image right now, so they must be doing something right."

of course they are doing many things right, i was responding to your comments about policies hurting microsoft to show that sony's poor policies in some areas don't seem to matter.

"I'm not going to get into your list about what Sony has or hasn't done, because it's off topic to the article, and even my comment. I'm not sure why you even bring it up. I managed to make my comment here without making it about Sony, or which one is the lesser/worse of two evils."

it's not off topic because part of microsoft's reputation has to do with how sony has managed to triumph that area at their cost. but now that the ps4 is doing so sell sony has shifted to a more dictatorship as far as its own policies as mentioned earlier.

"MS problems are their own doing, not Sony's. No matter how bad Sony may be, they aren't the root of MS problems. Maybe if you address MS problems, they'll get fixed because MS will start listening, instead of them acting like their problem is that Sony is somehow outdoing them because of hardware."

microsoft has addressed some of its problems. they got rid of kinect and lowered the price. this of course was to counter the ps4. the same thing happened last generation with the ps3 getting multiple revisions and price drops as well and that too was because of the xbox 360's success. so stop acting like sony is taboo in this topic just because you don't like hearing some of the stuff that also makes them look bad in their own policies.

"If you want to see why Sony is successful, and why they have a good reputation, despite their flaws, it comes down to two simple things.
A simple message, and games."

the ps3 did not offer a simple message nor did it offer games that trumped the xbox 360 at the time. sony had and still has an adament fanbase and you can say they earned it during the ps1 and ps2 era. so what sony has is brand recognition which also helps on top of the messaging and games.

"It's so easy to figure out, that most of the entire PS fan base has figured it out, and I'm seeing more and more Xbox fans even recognizing it. It's surprising that MS can't actually figure out a way to actually do the same thing. MS talks about how great it is, but fail to understand, and fail worse at showing, hence, the Scorpio won't fix their reputation."

the xbox one s has already fixed part of their problem which is why it received a rise in sales. yes they need more investement in games but it is very hard to overcome something that is already very successful, in this case the ps4. it will be very hard for them to stop the train and why peter moore said long ago the first one to 10 million usually wins. but i digress, its more than just games that needs fixing because microsoft has other battles to overcome. they just can't seem to get their brand in other markets. we've heard everything from the system being too big to too much reliance on online to too much shooters and so on.

even if microsoft managed to get as many exclusives out per year as sony i still dont see them selling as well globally, even if they had just as much diversity. it is what it is.

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rainslacker3410d ago

What it all boils down to, is you're trying to make MS look better by making Sony look worse. MS problems started with MS, and they end with MS. MS has the power to fix it, and it has nothing to do with power, it has to do with games, and changing their public image, which they themselves made.

Sony did get boosted up by MS failings, but that's because they were doing the right things, which made them look better, for just doing what all these companies should be doing the right thing from the beginning. With one exception. Sony's doing the right thing, was greeted with such praise, that the fact Sony was beginning to charge for online almost went unnoticed, and even when people realized it, they still had all the good will of the consumer for doing something that was simply expected.

I have no idea why you're bringing the PS3 into all this. MS problems now, are not because of the PS3. There may be a bit of residual hard feelings based on how they handled the later years of the 360, but for the most part, that isn't a major strike against MS in terms of what people say about them.

And no, MS HAS NOT fixed the problem with games, and their messaging is all over the place, or at least they aren't actually delivering on their message.

And finally, no matter how you compare all the above to Sony, it's all on MS, and Sony has nothing to do with it, so stop deflecting.

I can agree that it probably wouldn't sell as well as Sony even if they got as many exclusives. It took Sony years to build that kind of reputation. But one has to start somewhere, and just accepting that it won't happen, doesn't mean the effort shouldn't be made.

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DigitalRaptor3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Unless they sack off the front they have been putting on for Scorpio, and reveal it as a next-gen console with desirable exclusive games, the answer is "no chance" because Scorpio is simply a more powerful XB1 from what we've been told.

The XB1 is still an Xbox - the brand with deep rooted problems. Microsoft still has trust issues and Scorpio is not going to change that. They are the same company that lies to, misleads and strings along its consumers, mistreats development studios, and doesn't put enough resources into building the brand of games into what PlayStation and Nintendo did in their first 15 years on the market.

With recent closures and cancelations, its first-party stable is meagre, and they are taking no real risk with their minimal first-party games. Maximising their multiplayer focus (none of their games are single player focused) to maintain their games as a service direction, and forgoing diversity. Factor in the competition and how that impacts how their reputation evolves, and PS4 popularity and marketing deals means third party games will still be more sought after on that console despite visual or performance differences, and its upcoming lineup is too strong for Xbox "exclusives" to even register outside of the usual suspects.

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freshslicepizza3411d ago

"and its upcoming lineup is too strong for Xbox "exclusives" to even register outside of the usual suspects."

there must be something there otherwise you would not be talking about them as much as you do. the amount you talk about microsoft tells me they have your attention. if you were happy with what sony provides you, you wouldn't be so concerned with what microsoft is doing. it realy is that simple.

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Fist4achin3411d ago

Possibly. Actually, more and new games might do the trick.

1Victor3411d ago

To answer that you have to go back to last gen when systems was dying and they denied it till they got wind a recall was coming in the US. Fast forward to before this gen started with the rumors of always on and the "you don't want always on we got a system for you it's call Xbox 360" and the way they treated the press on the unveiling of the system and confirmation of always on and limited trade/purchase of used games cancelled interviews no words of what the system could do and straight up lies about Kinect been needed for the system to function.
Now Microsoft is between a rock and a hard place with project Scorpio they can't call it a new system because I will get their fan base on a uproar with pitch forks and torches on their doors and if they do go with the Xbox 1 name people will think it's just more of the same stuff they been feed before.
Stranger thing can tend to happen in the video game industry and they could pull it up showing customers they got the exclusive games to pull it up.

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VoodooProject3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Yes they can fix it by power. None of the 4k Chinese checkerboard. 4k native is what's says Sony TV makers. Microsoft gives you option to play their games on a unlimited powerful pc with Microsoft Windows installed of course or the most powerful console the Microsoft Scorpio

QUIMICOMORTAL3410d ago

specially when the current reputation of the xbone is not having exclusives!

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FallenAngel19843411d ago

Xbox One is not some dying console akin to Wii U, and neither will Scorpio be some miracle elixir.

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JasonKCK3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Some people here conveniently forget X1 is more successful than the previous gen.

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Godmars2903411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Some people here conveniently forget that the 360 is suppose to be the brands best gen ever. Its the one that outsold the Playstation at the very least.

@JasonKCK:
Meh, like I care.

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JasonKCK3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Godmars290 then shouldn't the PS4 mirror the success of the PS2? By mid gen PS2 had 60 million sold.

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madmonkey013411d ago

being more successful than the worst selling console of last gen wasnt hard.

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JasonKCK3411d ago

@IamTylerDurden1 'You think X1 has 25 million'

fixed

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DigitalRaptor3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Is it?

There was that narrative that XB1 was tracking above the 360 sales for a while, but it's no longer the case. Microsoft will be more than lucky to sell 50 million XB1 consoles this generation, and I don't think they'll come close to the same level of software sales performance as the 360. Now... that is only factoring in sales.

Look at games... they have had no successful new AAA exclusive IPs this gen. Halo and Gears were hugely successful new IPs that spawned monster franchises, and Xbox One has absolute nothing of note that compares. That's not more successful, or even a success, and even their biggest franchises (the ones I mentioned) now absolutely pale in comparison to how much they sold in the previous 2 generations. So that's not as successful.

Then look at their decline in reputation and how they tanked the Xbox's image from day one and still f***ing up things now with closing most of their first-party studios, delaying games and canceling some others. You really not feeding me a trove of "more successful than the previous gen" here... you must have more than that.

I'll just provide a tidbit, that Microsoft believed they were going to be able to sell upwards of a BILLION consoles with their vision for the XB1, so from that perspective, what we have in comparison to that is a colossal failure compared to the level of success MS corporate was anticipating: https://www.vg247.com/2013/...

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GameHead853411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Hey XMessiah23x and Godmars290, let's just unplug and drop these teenie weenie consoles out our two story window, onto a paved road, watch them shatter, then get online, order parts for a brand new gaming pc build, huh? What ya say?

It'll save you guys the trouble of arguing over this console s***.
"My console is better! No mine is!" THERE THE SAME F****** THING!!

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Profchaos3411d ago

No way show me any proof that the x1 has outsold the 360.

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crazychris41243411d ago

They just need to bring the games especially taking risks with new IPs or taking existing franchises into a new direction.

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Bigpappy3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

It takes years to make a game, and it is never a guaranty that any new IP will be a hit. More fail than succeed.

@DargonDDark: Good for them and I hope Knack encourages many on the fence to go get a PS4. If Carney wants to do another Knack, who is going to tell him NO by the way?

Listen man. Nothing wrong with a console manufacturer becoming a game developer or Mega publisher. People though are drawn to a console though because of many different reasons. Keep in mind, that I would not buy a PS4 to play uncharted because I have never played uncharted and it is not my type of game. Horizon looks more like my type of game, but I am way more excited by Ghost Recon and Mass Effect because I know what to expect from those games. If I were considering a second console, I would pickup a PS4 and may try the uncharted Demo, but I would play Horizon. Other than that all the games I play are multi-plat. Since M$ release X1 I have only bought 3 exclusive, and the only on I really enjoyed was Ryse.
Now if the major 3rd party titles stop coming to Xbox, I would move away from it in a hurry. I play the types of games I like if they are on the system I own. If M$ could figure out how to make all my favorite exclusive, then more power to them. I really don't give a rats pabula if its only on Xbox or on every system ever made.

What I think M$ should make exclusive is keeping their system the cutting edge place to play what ever games are available to it. That means: Best controller, Best and easiest hardware to develop on, best performance, best communication features, best customization like adding your own music, customizing dash and just letting me personalize my system for me. Things like that are way bigger selling points to me and many others.

I am not say that some don't just buy consoles because it has exclusives they notice and want to play. The truth is, that is not the majority. The Majority play mostly multi-plats.

DragonDDark3411d ago

Sony just gave Knack a sequel. KNACK!

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2pacalypsenow3411d ago

@DragonDDark

Sony beleives in their franchises and take risks unlike MS, and it sold decent almost 2 million.

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DigitalRaptor3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Not taking risks is how a brand becomes stagnant, and that is what Xbox either is right now to many, or risks becoming, definitively. Sega took the definitive risk with Shenmue and the Dreamcast, and they left the console business long before they risked becoming stagnant as a console manufacturer.

Taking the risks on the same level of Sony first-party would be a start for them. More power is not going to help that as long as a PlayStation home console is on the market showing them how it's done with games - you've gotta give developers the resources to make something risky enough to make a difference and make the next big IP for the brand. But the powers that be, seem to be pulling resource from under them and studios are being closed, budget being assigned to chasing multiplayer games to their services and promote whatever current service Redmond wants the Xbox brand to adopt, which is nothing but a bunch of short-term plays for an industry that values and rewards successful long-term decisions.

Phil Spencer wants Mario on Xbox, but won't actually invest in making their own similar style game that would broaden their appeal and level of diversity. Phil Spencer wants an Uncharted style game on Xbox but instead of building a studio that could handle the task they make an inconsequential short-term play and buy 12 months timed-exclusivity on Rise of the Tomb Raider.

I'm not quite sure how the rest of your comment about what you prefer fits in, when you say things like "best and easiest hardware to develop on" is a selling point. I can't see how that is even true.

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trooper_3411d ago

That's a poor excuse.

Microsoft needs to take risks. Sony took risks with new IPs and in turn gained strong games.

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Godmars2903411d ago

@DigitalRaptor:
I think MS's issue is that they don't want "experiences" with a foundation. By that I mean they don't want the expense involved with developing depth for their games. They don't a Mario, a Nathan Drake or even Sonic because that would require building lore within the games used to introduce iconic characters.

You might want to try and argue that Master Chef is such, but he's not. A good chunk of his lore comes from media outside of games where he's not only a faceless stand in for players, but there are other versions for others to use in multiplayer matches.

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Nathan_Hale533410d ago

Knack had a good art style, and concept. They could really change things around and make the game a lot better.

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Tumaras3411d ago

Yep, gotta make quality good gameplay exclusive games that people want to play. Sony is miles ahead in that area. Microsoft's exclusives have either been cancelled, or have disappointed with Halo 5 and Quantum Break. There are seriously 5 or 10 good PS4 exclusives for every single equally good XB1 exclusive. That needs to change more than hw. The hw needs improved too just to make cross-platform releases not at a lower res on XB1 than PS4, which has been the case and just makes XB1's situation worse. But exclusives are more important and is what really matters.

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Sparta073411d ago

No. Not at all.

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Overload3411d ago

People are buying the PS4 Slim more than the PS4 Pro, but people think Scorpio is going to solve all of Xbox's problems?

It's like people let desperation blind them from the truth.

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yomfweeee3411d ago

Got proof of that?

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silvacrest3411d ago

I think its safe to assume that the scopio will be quite a bit more expensive then the pro too.

If Scorpio does not have compelling games on release or soon after, i cant see it doing well

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BlakHavoc3411d ago

No, but games can

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Nathan_Hale533410d ago

@GreenGangstaAAAA

Why stay on this site if all you ever do is post this stupid thing? Seriously. It is annoying and pointless cause nobody ever pays attention to it.

BlakHavoc3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

I'm proud of the community cause we decided not to acknowledge the guy for the most part. But ya he does that often and I pity the person cause he must have a really boring life.

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riskibusiness3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

If Scorpio uses a Jaguar variant CPU, then it will fail. It's just a slightly more graphically powerful PS4Pro. I don't own a PS4 or a PS4Pro, but I can darn well guarantee that I will buy a PS4Pro instead of a Scorpio if it is just a Jaguar CPU. The CPU is the biggest issue with both platform now. I was not encouraged by some leaked reports from DigitalFoundry about some CPU assumptions. I'd love to see some more optimization with the BC stuff. With a more powerful CPU, BC titles such as the poorly written ME1 game might actually hit a solid 30FPS. ME series is my all time fav.

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King_Lothric3411d ago

Leaked information suggests scorpio is going to use a similar architecture to the PS4 Pro.

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DillyDilly3411d ago

If Microsoft says when revealing it "If you wanna play the next Call Of Duty on XBOX you gotta buy a Scorpio" that will have the opposite effect

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TheBurger293411d ago

New hardware same software. Nothing is really changing. Games will have higher res and hopefully frame rate.

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Goldby3411d ago

would be a way to get 25 million people to upgrade,

specially with it being a multiplayer centric console, a frame rate advantage on the scorpio would either make alot of people upgrade, or a lot of people pissed that they were left behind

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SynKakarrot3411d ago

i just wish this website separates the news and haters in the comments section is so sad that some people cant be happy with what they have without having to downgrade what they dont

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XanderZane3411d ago

It only needs fixing in foreign countries really. I think it's doing pretty well in it's native land. They do need a lot more games and getting some exclusives from their American 3rd parties would be a nice start.

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Vasto3411d ago

E3 2017 here we come!

#thosefaces

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CP_Company3411d ago

xbox is dead,deal with it. and this zombie machine does not solve any problems or reputation. software pushing hardware sales and not other way around.

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goatking3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Oh yea Xbox is dead, guess Nintendo is too since wii u sold like half of Xbox ones numbers. I don't think you know how business works.

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CP_Company3411d ago

yes,i don't know,that is why m$ pumping milliards in to xbox,because this shitty machine is in huge debt :) http://www.dualshockers.com... if not m$,xbox department long ago would be closed.

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Gamist2dot03411d ago

Yes, if released at $399 with great new features and IPs announced at E3 all with a humble approach. Communicate well to the consumers. No more arrogant BS, and unfortunately, fire some people.

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jlove4life3411d ago

@iamtyler keep telling yourself scorpio is next gen when phil of the future spencer himself said xbone wont be left behind when scorpio release

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yeahright23411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Is that the same Phil that said he had no interest in an xbox 1.5?
Not saying X1 is definitely getting left behind, just saying Phil isn't exactly the most reliable source.

jlove4life3411d ago

@dragonddark laugh why u can about knack 2 i'll rather knack 2 type sequels than cancelled xbox ones halo guardians much

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Miss_Weeboo3411d ago

Yes! Every day it's a new beginning. People loved the Xb (original) and the 360, so... the bone could just be a bad page in Xbox history. But they need to stop thinking about the needs of MS, Windows 10, Tablets, TV, advertising and start thinking about the needs of the product, giving us a quality product with quality games (and lots of them, not just Halo and the same Forza game over and over)... you don't even need to make them, just pay for the damn things... No more time exclusivity BullSht. Make a deal similar to what Sony did with FromSoft (the most awesome studio of the last 10 years by the way).
So, I'm confident they would learn from their mistakes!

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goatking3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Why do people think Xbox is dead because ps4 outsold it. That's not how it works. Should every phone but the iPhone die off because the iPhone outsells it. Should game companies only put games on steam because it has double the people to sell too. It's just not how it works.

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tyasia03411d ago

Uh, hows that Windows phone thing working out?

ecchiless3411d ago

xD, thats kinda mean but still funny xD

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goatking3411d ago

okay fair enough, but lets not compare xbox's predicament with windows phone. Xbox would better be compared to with how Samsung is in the phone business. Even if microsoft loses money on hardware, they more than gain it back on software such as xbox live because thats where microsoft and sony really make the big bucks. Something like ouya would better be compared to windows phone. Sony's phone buisness isn't doing much better, and they are still making phones, hell even microsoft is still making windows phones and is rumored to make a phone for the surface line this year.

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Bismarn3411d ago

If by perception you mean that it is an underpowered system, then yes - the Scorpio cannot be considered underpowered. If by perception you mean all the forced online nonsense, Phil Spencer hopefully fixed all that long ago since it's literally a different group of people running Xbox now. If by perception you mean the general kinds of games the Xbox focuses on, and the Xbox Live community, then no. The Scorpio is not going to suddenly start having Hatsune Miku games, Visual Novels, and Ico IV instead of Mountain Dew promotions. It is what it is.

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rainslacker3411d ago

Only two people from that pre-launch team left the company. Spencer was on that original team. The rest of MS is still there, so it isn't literally a different group of people running Xbox now. It is quite literally, the same group, with a new PR head.

They do have different policies now, but that was due to market reaction. It doesn't mean that MS isn't going to follow that track in a less direct manner.

In case you haven't noticed, the pedestal that people put Spencer up on these past few years, is starting to wobble.

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poppinslops3411d ago

Is it? Since when?
Rhetorical question, we all know the answer is Scalebound.

Ever since Scalebound's cancellation you and yours have been talking like it's the end of xbox, when in reality MS just saved a bunch of money on development and advertising for a game that was never going to pay-off - certainly not in the financial sense... Critically, who can say? The concept was cool, but the gameplay looked rough - not to mention Platinum's output, which has been poor of late.
What I can say is that of all the xbox games scheduled for 2017 releases, Scalebound was by far the least disappointing option (even the indies like Below, Cuphead, The Long Dark and Tacoma look like better games) - same goes for Fable Legends (whose never-ending beta was more than enough to justify it's cancellation) and Phantom Dust (whose remaster's sales will illustrate just how poorly that was going to do)... Yeah, Phil needs to announce some new games (that's what E3 is for), but to suggest that he hasn't had a positive effect on xbox, or that he's just some PR figurehead is ludicrous - if that were the case then Mattrick would not have been able to do so much damage.

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rainslacker3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

I think it started when they cancelled SB. More people are starting to notice that MS is delaying their games as much as Sony is accused of, and that they haven't really delivered on a lot of the promises that exist.

It's stablized a bit, but I think it's just waiting for the next big upset.

I do hope they pull out something good for E3 though. I was never one of those people to believe Spencer was some sort of savior, because I understand what his position is, but I always like Spencer, and I always wanted him to do well. But I also believed the Xbox fanboys tended to place extremely high expectations on him, which he likely would never be able to meet.

I've never personally said it's the end of Xbox. I'm talked hypothetical about what could happen should MS follow certain paths, but ultimately, I don't think it's at a point that it would fail, and if it should happen to, then it won't be Spencers fault, because he just doesn't have that kind of control over the brand.

As far as SB, my problem isn't that they cancelled it, it's that they marketed it heavily as a selling point of the system, up to soon before it was cancelled. The cancellation wasn't a sudden thing I'm sure, and MS just pushed the marketing too far.

Cuphead currently is about the only game I'm still looking forward to. Phantom Dust I may be interested in, since I've heard the first was pretty good, and wouldn't mind trying it out.

We'll see though. I don't want Xbox to fail. I have an X1. I want enough games to not feel regret that I brought one by the end of this gen. So far, that hasn't happened, and a lot of that may be because I just am not that intersted in the MS staples.

Malice-Flare3411d ago

if the state of XBox games development and diversity doesn't change, no it won't. it'll just be MS's Win 10 Steambox...

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sk8ofmnd3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

If a 500$ xb1 couldnt do it at a time when they still had console exclusives surely a scorpio with no exclusives will save the failing xbox brand.

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Brohan3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Guaranteed to be the most powerful console ever made.

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Razzer3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Until the next console is made. So what?

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Goldby3411d ago

"dis engeene is da most powaful engine of all time."

"How fast it go?"

"dont know, cant find any tires or transmissions that will fit it..."

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Goldby3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

Wow. Someone is having a bad day.

Next time no need to peraonally insult someone, but if you feel the need for it. Stop being a pussy a d make a new account just to insult me. Do it on your regular account. Not one that has been open for less than a month.

You dont know anything about me.
And maybe.. Just maybe im funny and you are justtoo damn bitter and have no sense of humor

corroios3411d ago

This sums up the reality. Microsoft needs games, exclusives games that millions want to play. 4k/60 is really cool, but a new fps, tps groundbreaking that You can only play on your console...

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ChickenOfTheCaveMan3411d ago

The very first version was pricier than PS4 because of a mandatory hardware not much people wanted, and was also bulkier while having less power. And that's with all the always connected bs they removed before launch.

And while Scorpio has way more power than the original, and the teraflops PS4 Pro vs Scorpio it pretty much the same but now with X1 having the upper hand, it all depends on the price because that advantage means nothing if it's console nobody buys except fanboys. Let's say Pro is at 349.99 at the Scorpio launch, I don't see how it could be beyond 479.99.

And also what's the lineup with an upgraded version patch for free, and new AAA titles taking full advantage of the new hardware.

sadsatan3411d ago

scorpio isn't powerful enough for 4k. microsoft should focus on 1080p/60fps imo as it can do that perfectly. expect 900p upscaled to 4k in most games

Skankinruby3411d ago

Uhhh, no. Not unless it's gonna have games dedicated to its supposed higher specs otherwise it's just the pro but a year late to the party

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Drakul3411d ago

if it brings all the promises of course fixes the rep.....just close your eyes think about NATIVE- the original - the one and only 4K.....

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Sm30003411d ago

I'm team sony all the way, but excluding the scalebound situation, hasn't MS been on a roll?

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bluefox7553411d ago

No, because the problem isn't hardware. Even the whole "lack of power" thing compared to the PS4 was never really much of an issue beyond being a fanboy bickering point. The only time hardware power was truly an issue was at launch when the Xbox actually cost MORE than the PS4. The real issue plaguing Xbox is games, they need to appeal to gamers instead of fanboys, and gamers want games.

Segata3411d ago

No. Xbox brand basically only sells in the US.

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Max-Zorin3411d ago

No, because those idiots won't take risks with more new IP's, and bring back old favorites. I'm starting to wonder if they blew their entire budget on purchasing Minecraft, when they could have used that money to establish more studios, hire more talented developers, and establish new IP's.

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LordJamar3410d ago

recore is a new ip, sunset overdrive was a new ip, cuphead is a new indie ip as well as others there funding, sea of thieves is a new ip, state of decay is a new ip with a sequel coming

ecchiless3409d ago

Thats the problem jamar, none of theirs studios(besides rare) is making something new, all the new ip are from 3rd party developers.

medman3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Can "games journalists" stop asking stupid questions? The only thing that is going to "fix" Microsoft's status in the console market is great games. Hardware is nothing without software. Period.

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silvacrest3411d ago

Microsoft still doesn't get it, gamer's want games, new hardware doesn't even come before a good online service for me

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OC_MurphysLaw3411d ago

So....MS has a good online service, good hardware and they actually have games too....imagine that. Just because they may not have all the games the PS4 has (especially Japanese games) doesn't mean the library is bad. Let's get past the stupidity

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silvacrest3410d ago

I mentioned the online service because they got that right but are neglecting the games. maybe what they have on offer is good enough for you but for me? nope, its not that the library is bad, it is just lacking, especially against it's nearest competitor, add japanese games + xb1 games on PC and I seriously have to wonder if getting a xbox is worth it.

LordJamar3410d ago

are we just gonna forget how mas got constantly trashed for being underpowered every day 247?

captainexplosion3411d ago

Xbox is such a flawed device. It was supposed to be an all in one home entertainment hub. But it failed at that miserably at it was broken as a hub. There are actually design flaws in the One that haven't been fixed and are still a problem with the Slim (like 5.1 screwing up if you have a 7.1 surround or better). Its nice the slim has an UHD player, but people that are in to that sort of thing don't even use it and have a stand alone player because the UHD player on the One sucks. Anyway, XB1 is a garbage console and I hope Scorpio improves.

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Gotcha53411d ago

Only N4G has a "Reputation about XBOX"

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Meltic3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

No. Just like i said in a previous post, don't support these guys, they don't care about us gamers. They cancel games here and there without even telling us why they did it. Go for Sony instead. If you buy and support Xbox , they will Think that this is okey and keep doing this. By not buying their games and consoles, they are loosing cash, and then they may be considering being a better Company.

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LordJamar3410d ago

are you a 15 year old?

Meltic3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

15 year old ? i'm a old gamer since the 80s. Immature post. My grammar is bad beacuse im not from the US. But hopefully you understand my post.

LordJamar3410d ago

you missed my point these companys are not your friends none of them are. if sony cancelled a game they dont have to tell you anything and likely wont cause its none of your business and they have contracts

senis_kenis3411d ago

No. You can polish a turd, but the outcome is known.

OC_MurphysLaw3411d ago

It's reputation is fine.... seriously this is just flame bait

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MagicBeanz3411d ago

Most likely not.

Broomfondle3411d ago

You can put makeup on a turd, but it will still be a turd.

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Goldby3411d ago

... you know aunt sheela!

foxdie2k153411d ago

SCORPIO CANNOT SAVE MICROSHIT BUT GAMES CAN WHICH I ONLY HAVE HALO 5, GEARS 4, AND GEARS UE

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Derceto3411d ago

A system does not fix the reputation of Xbox. People aren't as much complaining about the XOne's performance, where the Scorpio's increase in power will satisfy them. They want a better library of games.

So.... in short, no, this will not fix the Xbox One's reputation whatsoever.

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LastCenturyRob3411d ago

As son as games such as COD, Battlefield, Madden, FIFA and other top selling AAA cross plats have the best/superior versions on the Scorpio, the casuals will purchase it. That's what happened with the 360 over the PS3 and what happened with the PS4 over the X1....Not too much loyalty with most casual gamers. Not as much as back in the 16/32 bit days anyway.

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SH1ELD3411d ago

lol. scorpio is different and MS aren't that stupid to release vr kit and other expensive peripherals at the time.

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Profchaos3411d ago

I didn't know they had a bad reputation I mean they fixed everything people hated when they revealed the console and produced a few good titles still a bit lacking in originality but they deliver.

I prefer my PS4 after owning both for years but it's not a bad system and I'm sure I'll probably buy a Scorpio at some point after a trade in however it's just my personal preference I like the dual shock feel better in my hands as opposed to last gen where I preferred the 360 gamepad

Mr_Luke3411d ago

I don't know, when Scorpio is out poeple will buy the S (IF they're looking for an Xbox console) because same games with lower price... erog, the story won't change. Then i predict that Microsoft will do another 180 and will start making Scorpio only games, hoping to sell more consoles...

But it's only speculation, we can't know what's going to happen until the console is out and we discover how much it costs.

Goldby3411d ago

thats my plan.
i'll keep 4k gaming to my pro (picking it up today soo excited) and ill have the x1s for 4k on forza and a few other titles

sdplisken3411d ago

Software >>>>>Hardware
MS has nothing to counter the onslaught of juggernaut ps4 exclusives this year
I feel sorry for Xbox fans
How much abuse can they handle?

Ninver3411d ago

It may but not enough to close the market share sony has with ps. Try better next console circle

cfc833411d ago

xbox has a reputation for best 1st party multiplayers, best online game service, backward compatability, best console aps, customised backgrounds and more. Why would they need to fix this ?

Goldby3411d ago

actually, Playstation up until UWP has better console apps, the fact you didnt need a PS+ account to be able to watch netfix was a huge thing.

doginasuit3411d ago

No it cannot fix MS's Rep. The problem is their arrogance, which seeps through in their approach to the consumer.. and as others have mentioned - becomes a trust issue.

MS has made some strides from their anti-gamer approach before the X1s launch. And even then, the initial attitude change was forced though consumer positive reaction to Sony's policies and harsh reaction to MS's prior to launch.

While that started the ball rolling faster on Sony's side, it continued to be driven by Sony's "games first" attitude, and slightly stronger hardware (which became the biggest pro for its sales) while MS struggled with the Kinect anchor, higher price, and a wishy-washy direction in how it approached games.

The PS4 Pro is a lesson in how to botch things up. Sony has launched a strong machine, yes.. but it's "do whatever you want with the power" direction to the devs has really been to the pro's disadvantage. Some games only offer 4K (or higher resolutions like 1440p, 1800p), some have high 1080p framerate modes, some have high 1080p detail modes, some do supersampling on 1080p, some don't. A few have the resolution set too high (ie: Skyrim @ native 4K) where it loses frames in a few areas, and would have been better with a lower resolution (Skyrim @ 1800p). Point I am making is that Sony did not set expected standards for games. Offer 2 modes at minimum: 30fps 4K or Higher Res upscaled to 4K (and supersampling for 1080p) - and - 1080p High FPS (up to 60fps)... and let the user chose which one from the game so the P4 Pro owner knows what the upgrade does and is doing.

Currently, each game does something different and outside of some games (like Tombraider, Shadow of Mordor and Knack) which let you choose what the machine will do, most of them you would never know if it is doing something unless you own a 4K and go "hey- thats a sharp looking image".

If MS gives the user mandatory choices (like a PC) to change detail levels - or at least 2 options as Sony should have done - this will help the Scorpio's image in that (besides being more powerful than the Pro) it demonstrates its power with visible user-selectable options. Read: Consumer friendly,

Secondary - MS needs to get game studios on board with "must have" deals for the Xbox1 as many have mentioned here. That remains its biggest problem. Like the Pro, Scorpio can offer a premium way to play these games.

HOWEVER - Scorpio has the potential to destroy MS's rep even further. It (ironically) has to do with Games. MS had hinted that there will be Scorpio exclusive games. This will be a huge drop in consumer confidence for Xbox owners. Unlike the Pro - which has no Pro exclusives, only better options in some PS4 titles, the Scorpio may be set to abandon existing XB1 owners with XB1 games which will only play on the Scorpio... that would certainly damage its reputation even further with its supporters.

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mark3214uk3411d ago

no because it is a next gen console that is too early, it will be funny if at E3 they announce scorpio and sony announces there next gen system that is way more powerfull

even if it comes out 2 years after scorpio it will kill the scorpio off, MS then cant end that gen early again so it will be another generation sony dominates with the more powerfull machine

Razzer3411d ago

When folks walk into a store and see the quantity of games on the PS4 shelves versus then Xbox shelves.....none of this will matter at that point.

wutang4ever3411d ago

1 word describes the xbox 1 this generation, Disastrous

1 word describes the ps4 this generation, G_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .

Goldby3411d ago

i'd like to solve the puzzle.

Greatness

CoryHG3411d ago

It's where all their chips are.

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feraldrgn3411d ago

No.
They're releasing their next gen console early, so it'll only make the One look worse.

Goldby3411d ago

and its gonna bite them in the ass in about 2 years when ps5 comes out

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WilliamSheridan3411d ago

Since everyone argued that PS4 is the place to go for 3rd party games due to having more power, wouldn't it make sense to come to Scorpio for 3rd party games since they will have more power, and a better online infrastructure?
Not sure why everyone forgot this argument that they used to explain back when PS4 only had arcade title quality exclusives...

DivoJones3410d ago

I think they've already made strides in improving the perception of their brand. That said, as long as customers view this current generation as 'Xbox One' there'll always be the lingering spectre of the past mistakes. They might need to take the Apple approach and simply call it the new Xbox.. much like Apple just calls their tablet the iPad. Or even just Xbox 2.0.. give the customers the clear impression that the hardware has changed.

ultimize3410d ago

Noooooo
It's not about Hardware
It's about software
M$ can't fix it

KickSpinFilter3410d ago

Only if Scorpio/XB1 games come out at the same time, some solid games.
Crackdown 3 will probably be good. Cuphead and Sea of thieves are questionable, cuphead game play coming out of E3 last year was questionable and Sea not falling into the Evolve Trap. Honestly they need more new exclusive IP at Scorpio launch that (Xberts will buy). Hopefully they are holding stuff back.

LordJamar3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

I thought they did this a longtime ago? well imo they did. they are much better now compared to at the start of xbox one

I also find it funny that in ps4 launch it was all about power power power power graphic graphics it sold 80% based on bragging about power and graphics but now that the xbox one will be more powerful suddenly that's not enough and games matter more now, gamers more so ps fan boys are very fickle and hypocritical.

xbox got trashed by every media site every digital foundry post about being to weak and being underpowered every single day that's all you heard while digital foundry tore every game on xbox pixel by pixel and every one just lapped it up giving ps4 more sales while bragging about power and more power and graphics you could not go any where without ppl trashing xbox and 900p vs 1080p etc people love to pretend all this didn't happen well it did.

and when Microsoft finally got tired of it they give the Scorpio the "we heard you console" now its not enough? Christ man what is wrong with gamers these days.

j15reed3410d ago

Plain and simple most people tend to hate MS for one reason or another and praise Sony for their missteps or don't even talk about them.

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mt3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

at this moment , it is not how powerful your system is. It is all about what games does that system has. and few games of the box got cancelled which is not good.

mogwaii3410d ago

The only game i wanted to play on xbox one was forza horizon 3 which admitedly is a great game, the only reason i bought the concole was because i wanted a 4k bluray player and it was a second hand steal! game included. I wont be buying scorpio.

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PGRfox3410d ago

It all depends on one thing...value. If the price is too high, I'm afraid they're out

WickedLester3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

Here's how MS can ensure Scorpio will be a huge success. Let them come out at E3 with Mojang developers and announce Minecraft 2 (with modern graphics, running Unreal Engine 4 and native 4K support along with VR support) with a 1 year timed exclusivity to Scorpio! LOL the gaming public would go ape sh*t!!

Smokingunz3410d ago

Whoa! A lot of xbox/scorpio hate! It doesn't really matter how much people hate on the scorporate because the fact of the matter is people will still buy it and most importantly, checkerboard rendering or not the system will be way more powerful than that gimmicky, fake 4k pro bullshit that Sony put out. At least with Microsoft systems all games benefit from the system's upgrade unlike the pro select few games( the only game that looked good on the pro to me was tomb raider) it's ok when sony put out a half ass garbage machine called the pro and everybody praises it (only sony fans at least) but everybody wants to hate on scorpio.

People complained about xbox one hardware on how it was weak and now that they're coming out with more powerful scorpio people still hating on it, Microsoft can not win for nothing in sony fans eyes smh.