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Trump’s proposed trade tariff could impact the price of consoles, games in the US

The price of imported video games and consoles in the US could be on the rise, if Trump decides to impose import tariffs. U.S. President Donald Trump has mentioned before that his administration may impose import taxes on business that do not manufacture in the US.

skydragoonityx3279d ago ShowReplies(16)
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opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

This is an issue where I severely disagree with Trump. A 35% tax will land the costs on consumers, it's not punishing these countries like it's intended. I'm a free market guy, this protectionism shit doesn't work. He's still a hundred times better than that fascist Clinton. I'd rather disagree with a few things then EVERYTHING lol.

Edit: comment limit reached. Don't reply to me anymore unless it's a message. It's been fun, thanks for the conversations.

Edit@corndog. I meant punish these companies not countries, you're right my mistake. I don't blame these countries for making their productive landscape look more stable and attractive. I don't believe in punishing them if they leave either, I don't believe our government has the authority. Our government does have he ability to make it look more attractive here without yuge tariffs. We already have thousands of tarriffs, another 35% one is stupid. And it sounds like he's doing the spending and regulation slashing as well though so we'll see.

0Day3279d ago

Nobody is making you buy video games. Its not gasoline, water, or food...

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

No shit, I want to buy video games. I don't want to pay an extra 35% so the government can try some failure of a trade policy. You want companies and jobs to come back? Stop crushing them with domestic taxes and regulations like a fascist.

@cyber below
That's great. I agree with that 100 percent. I am absolutely against massive tariffs 100 percent as well.

Ogygian3279d ago

And what is the point of gas, food, or water if there are no joys to live for?

Taxing foreign video games is stupid. It makes America look stupid. It solves a problem which doesn't exist (the problem is with electronics being manufactured in China, not video games made in Japan or Europe).

CyberSentinel3279d ago

@opinionated

That's exactly what President Trump is aiming to do. He is targeting a 15%-20% tax rate, as well as a 75% reduction in federal regulations.

Finch3279d ago

This can still be good. It can bring MS back home and sell for cheaper. Bring in the digital games at a cheaper rate for the first time. Sony can fellow suit and have a factory here just to sell to us and keep the other ones going to sell to the rest of the world. Well that goes for MS too. But point being bring the jobs back home. There is room to bring the jobs home and still keep the other factory's out there for the rest of the world.

frostypants3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

You think commodity goods will be immune from the economic blowback? K...

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CyberSentinel3279d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

That 35% tariff will apply to American companies, from foreign countries. What's the solution? Produce products and jobs here, and avoid the 35% tax rate.

opinionated3279d ago

Yeah foreign companies like Sony and Nintendo. That's protectionism and we have tried it before, it failed miserably. It's one of the things that lead to the Great Depression.

Goldby3279d ago

let me know how many games and consoles are made in the us (and never leave the us during production)

Aenea3279d ago

Which means for electronics at least that prices will rise anyways since salaries in the US are higher...

CyberSentinel3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@opinionated

Actually high tax rates before the depression (as high as 77% for corporations) and investors making bad investments on corporations that failed because of high government taxiation, had more to do with the depression.

Ogygian3279d ago

Damn multinationals! Outsourcing the development of The Witcher 3, Minecraft, and Grand Theft Auto to Europe!

Oh wait...

(also note that US games will likely face a retaliatory tax abroad, so Europeans will play European games, Japanese will play Japanese games and so forth - the US would be destroying its soft power if Trump includes artistic works)

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@cyber
Yes true. The progressive era was terrible for both parties. World war 2 was the only thing that brought us out. Protectionism was a major factor in the decline of our economy though. It's a failed philosophy.

https://www.britannica.com/...

S2Killinit3279d ago

Actually it will punish MS as well, because all 3 manufacture their consoles in Asia.

jmc88883279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

No, Wall Street caused the Great Depression. Just like now, cronies in Washington allowed big bubbles to form that then crashed.

Protectionism did not cause the Great Depression. The fraudulent bubble bursting did.

On the way down FDR enacted more protectionism, which needed to happen, but didn't cause anything. That train was already in motion. It wrongly gets blamed. In reality a bubble bursting is the fault of the people and policies that blew the bubble.

Guess what is likely to happen under Trump, the current largest bubble in the history of mankind we are in... which also happens to be WORLDWIDE.

Are you going to blame Trump for what has long been inevitable?

Clinton/Bush/Obama built these bubbles. Along with other countries following the same policies, and of course the central banks magic money printing to cover up fraud.

The simple fact is tariffs are very good, and everyone else still has them against us. We're the sucker of the world, who doesn't protect their workers, and the owners of Wall Street gladly sold out the middle class for higher profits using slave labor in China/Vietnam/etc.

I love the disagrees with reality because you were schooled wrong. Hint: Austrian and Keynesian are BOTH wrong.

Captain_Tom3279d ago

Yeah that worked great in Brazil right?

Consoles cost thousands of US dollars, and eventually Nintendo just straight up left the market. Isolationism doesn't work. Period.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of trade deals that we need to renegotiate, but tariffs are anti-consumer and only succeed in stifling growth and innovation.

phantomexe3279d ago

@opinionated no it didn't high taxes was the cause.

fathertime44643279d ago

@opinionated and everyone else. The great depression had nothing to do with tariff's! Up until the last 20years there has always been a terrif on foreign goods. Most American goods have a terrif on them. Why do you think American made cars and car parts are so expensive in Canada and the uk. Terri's are not an evil thing. It means companies will start manufacturing more goods here and jobs will be created. Yes something will become more expensive and others will be cheaper. It's better than having the federal government ran off of our tax dollars and the further decline of viable jobs. Or is everyone here happy about working menial jobs and being hardly able to afford the things you want. For god sack there's more at risk than video games

agent45323279d ago

For example, have the 3 console manufacturers make their consoles in America not China.

GenMasterB3278d ago

not true... the tariff is for AMERICAN companies that choose to move manufacturing out of the country.. So Americans can keep their jobs.. Our pay and insured protection on the job make Mexico a much better place for labor.. He wants them to quit moving our factories ans shut ours down and we loose jobs.. He's not penalizing imports.

TimeSkipLuffy3278d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

That would be ideal but have you ever thought about how much a US company needs to pay a chinese worker? Are you going to work for 3$ an hour? If companies produce stuff in the US they need to pay much more salary. If they need to pay more the price for the product will be higher no matter what. Maybe even way more because they need to spend money to build up production sites in the US first :D

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Aenea3279d ago

Fascist Clinton? If I thought one would behave like a fascist then it would be Trump!

Anyhoo, 35% tax on imported goods, am sure people will love that shit since most of the things aren't made in the US these days....

CyberSentinel3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

And that's the problem. We need to make more things ourselves , and not depend on others so much.

Below@Aenea

Salaries would depend on skill, education and demand.

As far as trade wars with foreign import retaliation, this will happen and it will lead to opportunities for American businesses to compete with foreign imports. This will also incentivize entrepreneurs to create new businesses where such demand is needed, but doesn't exist from a domestic alternative. However, in order for all this to work, we need a true free (fair) market, not the cronie capitalistic corrupt system, we have now!

P.s. Sorry for the double post, but they locked the thread, and I wanted to reply.

Aenea3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@Cyber

But the things that aren't being made in the US aren't made there for a reason: higher salaries and higher production costs, either way the cost of those items will become higher.

Besides, the US exports a lot too, you really believe when countries see a drop in exports to the US because of this they can stand by idly? Nope, they will do the same thing to US goods which means job losses in the industries that export goods...

Don't think this is going to be so easy and even tho on paper it sounds great perhaps I don't think (in my opinion) that it will create more jobs (the other side means there will also be jobs lost) but either way costs of consumer products will rise in the US which in turn means that people who barely got by can afford to buy even less...

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Salaries in the US are generally higher than in China, hence why many products are manufactured in China. Moving that to the US will result in higher prices as well. Since it would also mean investing in new factories and perhaps not even being sure this regulation will stay for eternity they might opt to go for the extra taxes anyways. The companies won't make more profit because of it either way and still importing is less risky on the long run...

JackBNimble3279d ago

Good luck with cheaper 4k tvs

RedPill863279d ago

No. It won't. And it historically never has. Jobs come back. Wages go up. The cost may change but how much you make generally makes it a smaller fraction of what you used to pay. Not to mention that if they increase the prices, people won't buy. In a world where big budget games can't even hit 1 million in the first couple weeks with dozens of millions of consoles sold? Raising their prices would be suicide. Trump is running the country like a business, about time developers do the same and quit shooting themselves in the foot every chance they get.

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

No what hasn't? Are you saying protectionism hasn't failed historically? That's false. There are reasons the economy bounced back and it wasnt tariffs or regulations. The only way I would agree with a "price increase" is if the dollar regained its value but the price of games were still 60 dollars. The devaluing dollar is the cause of the federal reserve and negative interest rates plus borrowing a metric shit ton of cash from foreign governments to subsidize our wreckless government spending.

sigrid3279d ago

If you voted for him it doesn't matter what your opinions are about trade. Whatever he does is on YOU even if you don't agree with it... actually, especially since you don't agree with it.

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

Opposed to the alternative he is a god send. So the 10 trillion Obama added to the federal debt and the hundreds of thousands of regulations a year is on you and your opinion means even less. You are the reason he was elected, not me.

@sigrid below
"I love how when people talk about debt growth they completely ignore the fact that the debt has been rising decades."

I never ignored that. I don't ignore the fact that no administration has ever doubled our national debt by 10 trillion dollars either. That's not to say bush was much better, or anybody else for that matter. With their "projected surplus".

"And of course if you look at the larger economic picture debt growth actually slowed under Obama. "

Lmao no that's not any picture.. the deficit slowed maybe, he trimmed the deficit after he racked it up. He still added 10 trillion dollars and he didn't even attempt to control debt or spending lol. Are you serious? I wouldn't be bothered if we actually got something for it besides riots and fake news. He didn't slow growth in anything but the GDP and employment numbers.

"And you voted for him so it's my fault he's in office? That's pretty incredible, pretty much unbelievable. I guess that must be one of the "alternative facts" we keep hearing about. "

Yes I'm just one dude yo. It's your fault this guy is on office. For the policies you voted on the last eight years. The failures of the obama administration were going to continue in clintons administration. Obama got on tv and said legacy is on the line lol. I didn't vote for Trump in my state primary but he won so whatever. Clinton rigged her primary against Bernie with super delegates. Like a fascist..

"P.S. Alternative facts are lies."
I agree.

@lord maim
http://www.truthfulpolitics...

There are the facts. Obama didn't help the debt, fact lol. He was the worst of the bunch with debt, fact. He wasn't the only president to face resessions or depressions either, it's not an excuse. You can blame the previous administration but it doesn't fix anything. Bush was terrible with debt as well but that doesnt excuse Obama from doubling the national debt of bush and all previous administrations combined.

Did good? If trump just does the status quo spending and blames obama for the turd sandwich he inherited then I will be trashing him with you. We don't elect new presidents to bitch about old ones, right? Just fix the shit. Eliminate the deficit. That surplus was only projected. "Hey we'll be on budget in 25 years". What was the national debt then? 5-6 trillion? It's 20 now lol..

sigrid3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

I love how when people talk about debt growth they completely ignore the fact that the debt has been rising for decades basically since America came off the gold standard system.

And of course if you look at the larger economic picture debt growth actually slowed under Obama.

And you voted for him so it's my fault he's in office? That's pretty incredible, pretty much unbelievable. I guess that must be one of the "alternative facts" we keep hearing about.

P.S. Alternative facts are lies.

LordMaim3279d ago

@Opinionated: A gross oversimplification of events, leaving out the previous president leaving the economy in a free fall that nearly collapsed the banking system. Considering Obama inherited a budget with a $1.7 trillion dollar deficit for his first year in office, and the wreckage left by the former President, I'd say he did pretty good.
Bush managed to wipe out a $5.6 trillion dollar SURPLUS left by Clinton, then left office with a $10.6 trillion dollar debt. Present all the facts if you're going to go down this road.

76erz243279d ago

His proposed tax is only for U.S. companies that leave our shores and want to sell there products back in. It will not effect Sony nor Nintendo, who've have always been foreign companies. The writer of the article is misinformed.

rainslacker3279d ago

Wouldn't that give foreign companies an unfair advantage in our country then? Seems if they don't have to pay the tax also, then they not only get the lower costs of manufacturing, but can import with lower costs. That seems counter-intuitive to actually promoting US made goods. I mean, if it costs the same to make Console X and Y, but Console X is made by a Japanese company in Japan and imported without tax and sold for $400, but console Y, also made in China and imported now cost them almost $600 to sell. What would people obviously choose at checkout? So now console Y is move to be made in the US, by a US company, but costs to manufacture increase say 20%, which is better, but it still means they have to price it at $500 to make a profit.

DillyDilly3279d ago

Would you prefer more censored games under Hillary ?

Silly Mammo3279d ago

What gives you the idea that would happen under Clinton? There's nothing Clinton campaigned on that would give that impression. Besides she lost. We're discussing this administration's policies.

daevil13279d ago

what are some examples that make Clinton a fascist?

Aceman183279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

I can see MS being forced to buckle to this, but the two Japanese companies i have a hard time believing they'll cave the have their consoles built here in the states.

Also dont see either of them moving any of their WW studios here just to make games.

None of the major electronics i own are from US companies, my phone and tv are from LG a Korean company, and PS4, WiiU is Japanese; personally i wouldn't have it any other way.

Bluemaster773279d ago

Stop using the word "fascist" so loosely. I'm starting to think that you don't actually understand what it means and you're just parroting PUNDIT talk.

Thefreeman0123279d ago

When you call Clinton a fascist, are those facts or alternative facts?

S2Killinit3279d ago

Fascist Clinton? What the... do you know what that word means or you just like to use it?

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Oh look, 3 comments in a row playing like I don't know what words mean. Aren't y'all clever..

Yes I know what fascism is, do you? Do you think nationalizing state and local police forces is fascist? Do you think nationalizing the internet is fascist? Do you think nationalizing the election process is fascist? Do you think nationalizing the banks is fascist? Do you think nationalizing companies with subsidies and picking winners and losers in the economy is fascist? Well that's Obama... Clinton is the same only ten times worse. So yes, I know what the term means. Your petty response isn't an argument.

@s2
How is what I said wrong? Please enlighten me oh knowledgable master.. are you saying he didn't do these things? If so you are wrong.

S2Killinit3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@opinionated
Everything you just said is completely utterly wrong and misguided. I think the problem we have today is people who don't have enough knowledge think that they KNOW. It's a dangerous thing because then they can be played by people who know how to take advantage of them.

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starchild3278d ago

I find it funny how opinionated is making reasonable arguments, while those that responded have only presented bare assertions. No attempt at an argument at all. Just insults. Not surprising.

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rainslacker3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Sadly, it's either something like this, or the costs goes up due to providing incentives to manufacture in the US. Unfortunately, even with incentives the costs will still be higher, because companies simply can't match the costs of manufacturing in other countries.

35% is excessive though. But you are right, the costs simply gets passed onto the consumer.

On these kinds of things, I think import tariffs are the wrong way to offer incentives, because as you say, the cost simply gets passed to the consumer, with the only one really benefiting being the US government, who gets more money from it.

@0Day

True, it's not a necessity, but 35% is an excessive luxury tax. While video games may not be necessary, they're still a huge revenue stream for companies, and taxes like this causes the industry to lose money because people will be buying less. It changes who gets the money to the government, and they aren't doing anything other than imposing taxes, not actually adding anything to the industry.

It's funny you mention gas. There are lots of taxes on gas. Most states the tax makes up 50-80cents per gallon.

If more taxes are needed, then it needs to be done in a way that's fair across the board. Better yet, reigning in spending would be better, as well as improving the desire to manufacture in the US to increase the countries GDP through incentives that make sense, and not just punish companies and consumers because companies want to make products that are actually affordable.

Trump promised to clean up Washington....which we've all heard before....but this kind of thing doesn't do that. Simply allows the problems with Washington to have more money to spend with no real effort on their part.

I think people's disdain for Trump are causing them to bring in politics, instead of realizing that a 35% tax makes that $400 console become $500-600, and who's going to get blamed? The console makers.

jmc88883279d ago

Protectionism built this country from George Washington all the way until Ronald Reagan started dismantling it.

Left+Right destroyed this country.

Repeal of Glass-Steagall was the final straw.

opinionated3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Just because tariffs were around since the founding it doesn't mean the country was built on protectionism. Tariffs had very little effect on industry and made the economy worse more than it made it better.

The founders didn't have a "left" or the global economy that we do today. The "left" philosophy was imported from Europe at the beginning of the progressive era. That's not to say the founders didn't disagree, they hated each other's guts in some cases but it's not unhealthy to have debate on differing views. Our country is built in that more than protectionism.

@chris below
Are you giving tariffs credit for ending slavery? Or saying it was a good tool to escalate civil war?

@legend below
"That is the first time I have heard someone call Clinton a fascist when Donald Trump is literally the definition of a fascist."

What has he advocated for or done that is literally the definition of a fascist? Dont call me dumb and say I don't know what fascism means. Give an honest answer. A couple people have said racism/sexism/homophobia/xenop hobia = fascism... Those are the idiots that call me dumb lol. At least they have an answer though, some didn't bother answering at all they just insulted me. So help me understand why you think that?

What has he done that's fascist? In his first week he suspended the individual mandate on Obamacare. A law nationalizing insurance companies and making citizens pay for products under a penalty disguised as a tax. That is unconstitutional and it should have been repealed on day 1. The precedent has already been set by Obama and Roberts though. The government can take money from tax returns as a penalty for not buying what they mandate. That's fascist and trump suspended it on his first real day in office lol. That's a 700 dollar tax that we don't have to pay and shouldn't ever have had to pay in the first place.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, help me understand how you think he's literally a fascist? As bad as Hitler and such. I've given reasons why I think the American left is fascist. The nationalizing of everything, the one party push with identity politics and everyone who disagrees is a monster. Obama goes above congress and does what he wants until the courts catch up with him a few years later.. But he's not a fascist, good for him showing them fascist obstructionist congressmen who's boss, right? Those "anti-fascist" clowns planning how to gas trumps inauguration lol. The projection of these kinds of people are hilarious to me.

Christopher3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

If we never had tariff issues, I wonder how much longer slavery would have lasted?

Edit: I know it's a bit weird of a statement, but just something that popped into my head. It's amazing how much of our history is about tariffs, even the good things that come of our efforts are related to it. Death and Taxes. No avoiding that, it seems.

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Mr-Dude3279d ago

So glad I don't live in the US... But then the EU isn't that much better either..

wonderfulmonkeyman3279d ago

To be fair, your weather is probably better.
Out here in the states, it's either dry, wet, hot, cold, or Chaos Emerald Zone. (AKA Florida)

drunkenspy0073279d ago

So sad. Calls Clinton a fascist, but votes for misogyny, bigotry, and xenophobia. Could have just kept it to facts of the article, but had to show the world your ignorance.

Brugal3279d ago

I thought he was a fascist too, at least through my eyes.

RyanShutup3279d ago

If america is one of the largest markets and they want to retain sales it stands to reason that Sony, MS, Ninty, etc will seriously consider manufacturing in the US. Jobs created, prices lowered even further could also be a viable result.

TheLEGENDofTydo3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

That is the first time I have heard someone call Clinton a fascist when Donald Trump is literally the definition of a fascist.

Brugal3279d ago

I was thinking the same thing.

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IamTylerDurden13279d ago

This would be devastating for Sony and Nintendo and all your favorite electronics will be more expensive until your eventually unable to get them at all in this country. This is horrifying. God save us.

starchild3278d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

Great comment, Opinionated. I'm a very big advocate of free markets as well and protectionism does far more harm than good. Some people only focus on the good they imagine it will do, but are unaware of all the harm it will cause.

fathertime44643278d ago

So what's your opinion on the rest of the world placing tariff's on u.s. goods? You do realize the u.s imports 10 times what it export's right? It's cheaper to buy foreign steel than American steel from two miles away from where I live because there's no Tariff's. More than half the manufacturing and fabricating jobs in this country have left due to cheap foreign labor and lax foreign environmental policies. So yes making it more appealing to build, manufacture, and employee here is a great idea. A lot of people want hand outs from government programs. Well the tax payers want a break. Our government needs us and to a degree we need them. If we can foot some of the bill towards foreign goods being brought in, I'm fine with that.

CorndogBurglar3278d ago

Lol. Its not intended to punish other countries. Its intended to earn money for the US. I don't agree with it, mind you. But lets not act like its being done to punish every country in the world that wants to sell things in the US. That doesn't even make sense.

GamingIVfun3278d ago

Fascist is a better description for Trump and the current republican party than Clinton. Trump is so many things other than a good candidate for president, Many republicans know this but they sold out for power and control.

Fascism : an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

According to The Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics, in liberal democracies, the political Right opposes socialism and social democracy. Right-wing parties include conservatives, Christian democrats, classical liberals, nationalists and, on the far Right, racists and fascists.

I agree that raising the tariff to 35% is not a good idea, the inflation rate will sky rocket.

sinspirit3278d ago

1. Digital is becoming the go to thing anyways.
2. What the issue is with many foreign produced products is.. That the savings they get from going foreign normally is just more money for said company rather than also bringing savings to the consumer.
3. We should wait to see how actual studies represent the consumer price of said products. If it's not such a huge impact, I welcome it. I want this country to do better as a whole. Not just save a couple bucks here.
4. I think it's funny that this is a mildly politics related subject and the worry is on the price of a game as the negative like it, and a few other products, matter more than the country we live in.
5. It more than likely won't have any big change, other than more jobs in America. Which is a bit more important.

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0Day3279d ago

Ill take a raise in prices over Obama or Hillary any day. Imports need to be taxed more plain and simple. The US has had enough of making the world rich at our expense.

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XXanderXX3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Wasn't the US government the reason most companies left it's shores and other refused to come here .
so now they aim to tax those imported goods like a bunch of greedy children . Why not skip the crazy tax and create incentives to draw back those companies and keep others from departing by offering them those same incentives. JMO

@ODay since I clearly know nothing , I hope these companies find ways around this mandatory BS . Cause am not giving up gaming

0Day3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Yeah you clearly know nothing about business. Your option is a choice, Trumps option is mandatory. No goods sold in the US unless the US gets a piece of the pie. Take eBay for an example. If you choose to buy and sell in their marketplace, they take their cut right off the top. They're a multi billion dollar company where everyone wins. No I dont like the fees, but I like the convenience of making fast money, and lots of it.

Christopher3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

We don't offer incentives because all that does is pass on the cost of the incentives onto tax payers, primarily the middle class.

Edit: at anyone who disagrees, tax breaks are usual incentives for companies to stay in one area or another or to move to another. If the company isn't paying that share of taxes, do you think they don't collect it elsewhere?

Sharky2313279d ago

I think it's funny! If Obama would have said let's put a tax on imports people would have gotten there pitchforks out!! This administration has created a double standard unlike any other, or maybe we created this double standard!

_-EDMIX-_3278d ago

I'm not sure why anybody thinks giving incentives to these companies is going to do anything to help us especially if you consider it would basically be like these companies holding the taxpayers hostage.

ie threatening to leave the United States in order to get a lofty tax break all that does is technically hurt the middle class.

fathertime44643278d ago

I want people to stop living off my tax dollars to. What you can't afford a 5-10 dollar hike in the price? Most prices will undoubtedly remain the same. No one said how much the terrif will be yet any ways. Your crying wolf before it's even born yet.
Also my gaming and your gaming are not nearly as important as fixing the money problems of our government. At the rate we're going you don't have to worry much about gaming much longer anyways because the u.s is closing in on being a welfare state anyways

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Aenea3279d ago

LOL, making the world rich at your expense, you're hilarious!

It's a world economy, the US exports a lot but imports a lot too. Most items you buy are being imported so will get a price increase, including gas!

And how do you think the countries the US imports from will react to this? They are going to earn less money, which means they will raise taxes on imported goods as well and since the US is the 2nd largest economy in the world for exported goods that means those will be sold less as well...

Cost of living all over the world will rise because of this, including the US, the regular people will feel this, people like Trump won't...

Vhampir3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Globalization doesn't lower the cost of living. It lowers the standard. Do you think a country that pays $8 an hour can compete against a country that pays $0.50 an hour? Nigerians are being brought into the US to take low-skill jobs. Local employers here hire Nigerians to fill positions, when there are plenty of citizens who are looking for work. They are being forced to give jobs to Nigerians first, and they can't fire them. UPS and Fed/Ex are replacing a lot of their carriers with Nigerians. Also, disney fired its workers, but first forced them to train their Indian replacements.

Most countries have tariffs and regulations in place to protect their own people. When I was in Mexico, several years ago, every product from the US was exactly double it's price in the US. Many South American countries have famously aggressive taxes on imports. They try to protect their own people.

_-EDMIX-_3278d ago

100% agreed.

you pretty much said everything I would say, better and more brief lol

fathertime44643278d ago (Edited 3278d ago )

They already tax imported goods from the u.s. It's the u.s. that no longer taxes them.

@aenea your parents and grand parents never had an issue with buying goods when there was a terrif before. Why is this generation any better than there's was?
@Vhampir you are absolutely correct!
A terrif is set to lower the coast of government that has been put on the citizens of that country. If a terrif is reinstated and my taxes go from 30% to 20% than so be it. If there's a job for my son when he's older even better.

Lastly why is everyone worried about It's affects on gaming? Geeze entitled much?

Ogygian3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

Why do imports need to be taxed? What is the economic logic behind this?

I'm one of the strongest advocates of protectionism, but I also have an economics degree, so I know where looking out for your own people becomes cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Taxing games made abroad WILL NOT bring jobs back. Foreign countries will not let the USA steal their games industries (and remember that this is a war between developed countries - China don't make video games), and all that will happen is that we will all pay more money for our games, which will go directly into the coffers of government.

A video games tax. Don't think of it in any other way. You will be poorer, and your country won't have any more jobs for it.

CyberSentinel3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@Spart

What I think Trump intends, is America not "stealing" anything from foreign countries, but foreign companies building an American factory, in America to manufacture and distribute those game disks or chips (consoles) in America. That would create jobs for Americans and allow foreign corporations to avoid trade tariffs.

Ogygian3279d ago

@Cyber

And I completely agree that this makes sense when it comes to Playstations and video game discs.

If, however, this somehow ends up affecting digital downloads, and the price Netflix pays for the rights to foreign movies (British stuff, anime, etc), then it would be a disaster.

jmc88883279d ago

The economic logic of it comes from Alexander Hamilton, under George Washington. Nations should be self-sufficient. We gave up self-sufficiency for the elite's corporate gains when Regan started dismantling this. It was the policy of every President from Washington until Reagan. It's dismantling actually started before that, but that's when it became an institutionalized mantra for a whole party and really accelerated.

Democrats joined them in the 1990's with NAFTA and repeal of Glass-Steagall. Of course the 'pressure' from the elite of America was that the 'elite' of Europe had done away with their version of 'Glass-Steagall' and thus our 'elite' was at a disadvantage. So we joined in with stupid and Europe and America became.... Dumb and Dumber.

People have to realize that both Clinton's and Obama were never actual Democrats. Not in policy. But the people couldn't be bothered with such things as actually making sure our Democrats were actual Democrats. They were on our 'team', so they had to be good right? Wrong. Our party focused on bs issues and ignored the core of the Democratic party. Now it's hollowed out and gone. Now the crazies run it.

The world right now is in a massive market bubble (biggest in world history) and Americans have already been living through higher prices with lower paying jobs for many decades now. This broken order worked great for those at the top, screwed everyone else. We're now many decades down this path. Families who sacrificed so their children could go up the ladder, have now seen their grandchildren and great-grandchildren pushed back down it.

That's why many millions of people work for 1/3rd of what they got in the 1990's. Yet prices of pretty much everything are 3-4x what they were. For instance, from factory worker to wal*mart greeter.

When you outsource a product that say costs $3 and then it costs $2... you save $1 when buying it right? Well guess what, twenty years later that product from abroad costs $5. People only temporarily saved money on imported goods, but millions lost their jobs, wages, and now can't buy pretty much anything. Unless they go into debt, which compounds the issue. Families can't afford colleges, so their kids go into debt. 7 year auto loans with a balance still remaining at the end. No savings. No vacations. Can't afford healthcare. The list goes on and on.

We need to focus on the problem, instead of trying to remedy the symptom.

What we used to pay with cash we saved is now paid for on credit no one can afford to pay back. Keynesian tricks have tried to hide this accumulated result over the last 40 years. Accounting fraud is rampant in world markets, and the gov'ts allow it.

It even effects the gaming industry. When prices used to go up, wages kept pace. So if a console was $150 then $200 so on and so forth, it was basically the same more or less. But people over time could afford more. That's not the case now. That's why consoles prices are being kept lower. People CAN'T afford more. This in turn produces weaker consoles. Those weaker consoles, necessitate mid-gen upgrades like Pro and Scorpio. People don't realize it, but the setup of the system greatly controls how businesses operate and people's prospects within it all.

You're looking at things all wrong. A tariff is not an incremental one off thing. The old broken system is collapsing. If it wasn't actively being propped up, it would have already collapsed. The whole system is coming unglued and will need a massive change. Old 'current' assumptions won't work. So people need to get away from that.

jmc88883279d ago

The elite have barely been able to prop it up for the past 8+ years. It's going to be a long process once it breaks. 10-15 years, perhaps a good deal longer. But that's what tends to happen in these situations. Had Obama done what was necessary and what he had a mandate to do in 2008 we'd probably be through most of it now. Instead he wasn't interested in doing what was necessary for the people, he was just another neo-con/neo-liberal who bent over for Wall Street. Then as the bubble re-inflated, he conned everyone into believing that he had turned it around and that he was great.

The great recession is ACTUALLY the beginning stages of THE GREATEST DEPRESSION. It hasn't even truly begun yet.

Instead of implementing Glass-Steagall and prosecuting bankers, he bailed them out, didn't prosecute them, and allowed them to change accounting rules. The whole world basically followed. (Fun fact: The S&L crisis that was minuscule in comparison to the frauds of 2008 resulted in over 1000 bankers being thrown in jail. What did Obama do for 2008? ZERO).

On the front end, FDR had to manage a bursting bubble from 1929 (he was elected 1932) and set policies in place that would reap the benefit on the back end. No one says it's going to be easy, but it IS necessary.

People haven't realized yet that the post WWII era has already changed, from that of FDR, to that of Elite Oligarchy. We need to go back to FDR/Hamilton. Truman (a wall street flunky) started that change toward elite oligarchy. Maybe Trump is starting the change back towards FDR/Hamilton.

Trump so far is taking us in the right direction in that regard. I won't say he's going to do the things FDR did or that he's that kind of leader. He very well might not be. But for the first time since JFK, we have a president with Trump whose policies hint that we are going in that direction. How far he actually tries to go, what limitations he places upon himself due to incorrect ideology is yet unknown. But I applaud the effort so far, and hope he keeps it up. He stated he favored Glass-Steagall. I hope he pushes for it. There is no chance of recovery without it.

jmc88883279d ago

With all due respect, you're looking at things in term of a snapshot instead of the bigger picture. We haven't had a functioning economy since the early 1960's, and even that was being torn down starting with Truman. JFK was trying to right what had been going wrong up until then. We saw what happened to him. Hell Eisenhower tried to warn us too. Not many people realize that JFK actually starting producing currency outside of the Federal Reserve system. He was starting to pull our troops out of Vietnam. He threatened to break the CIA into a 1000 pieces. Etc. etc.

The costs of the insane Vietnam war broke the Bretton Woods agreement and ushered in complete unadulterated fiat money. This is the rope we are currently hanging ourselves on.

For instance, you can't do QE with a gold standard. It's impossible. You can't spend trillions on bogus, illegal wars.

But the elite got the war they wanted, got the fiat they wanted, got the outsourcing they wanted. Overall they got the CONTROL they wanted. The people paid the consequences.

The world has been in the business of blowing bubble after bubble since the 1980's. Each bubble gets bigger, busts bigger, and destroys more people in the process.

It will get messy in other countries as well because whole countries economies were built off of the unsustainable incremental outsourcing that has occurred. The idea they could continue to get jobs from abroad and we would forever be able to pay for the goods produced there. Except we can't. We're broke. The world is. We can't keep outsourcing and paying for imports. Neither can anyone else. Europe is actually in far worse situation then us here in America.

But this isn't an America thing. It's a WORLD thing. It's ALL screwed up, and every country shares a part in the blame.

The typical world elite response to one bubble bursting was to use their levers of power to create a bigger and bigger one. Now we've reached the endgame which is a bubble in everything and the bubble of last resort is central banks/bonds. Who backs of the central banks? (oh their plan is for a world central bank to take over, but that won't work)

Because the system is broken is why the world is STILL pumping 200 billion or so of QE every month. The world never stopped printing to keep the elite on top after 2008, and prop up this broken system. There was no actual recovery. Just a reflation of a destructive bubble made more destructive. At the costs of the balance sheets of sovereign nations and central banks.

As before, but on steroids now, It has been a massive misallocation of capital since 2008. Instead of money for fusion/space research/waterworks/infrastruc ture/overall scientific progress, etc... basically productive works.... the world used it to extend and pretend while giving near zero rates for corporate M&A and stock buybacks.

jmc88883279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

It's one thing to create credit to create actual wealth through productive works and scientific progress. The world elite instead blew a bubble to replace a previous bubble. After all it was in THEIR interest. Not ours.

When the world economy and stocks crash, those Wall Street firms that took out billions in loans to temporarily boost their stock price will fail. The companies that took out loans to merge with other indebted firms will fail. The boost to stock prices is temporary, but the debt stays.

They'll go for bailout AND bail-in. Yep, Dodd-Frank allows them to steal your money to pay off worthless odious debt and fictitious derivative claims. They'll scream of the carnage if they cannot and these companies go under. It's a racket. The elite blackmail us with our system that we let THEM control.

Gov'ts and central banks are in on it too. The answer was never 'austerity' to pay off odious debt, and that's why you have EU failing. In the end Europe elites destroyed its own people but that in turn will then destroy the power they gained from the EU when EU fails. Greece/Italy/Spain/Portugal/et c are paying the price, and it's spreading to the core of Germany/France/UK.

That's why you see the rise of populism in America AND Europe. People are fed up with scam they are being screwed by. Countries being 'populist' to gain back control from these monsters is not evil, it's to get rid of the evil that is destroying their lives that actually does exist. It's the system that has been turn on its head to screw the average person. It's getting that back.

UK jumped ship first. Smart. As they say when it comes to stocks when they start falling. He who panics first, panics best.

Fun Fact: People should realize that any stock portfolio one might own is actually worth ZERO until you sell what's in it. Just remember that.

Overall I'm concerned a whole lot more then just a rise in prices of video games and consoles. We have much bigger issues. The world as a whole does. What's necessary on the back end of all this is to have the appropriate policies in place for national economies of sovereign nation-states and a peaceful and mutually beneficial world economy as a whole, and this is one of many policies that we in the United States need to implement, tariffs on certain things.

Also it's not about EVERYTHING. Countries don't need EVERYTHING brought back. There will still be trade all around the world between countries, it just has to be realigned into the interests of the countries of the world and not for the benefit of a few of the worlds elites. The people are already being screwed, and after all these decades, they don't have much left to lose. It may or may not effect video gaming, but in the end, it really doesn't matter. Policies MUST change.

jmc88883279d ago

Most of the 'economics' taught post WWII have essentially been a fraud. They somewhat work in the current economic system, but are breaking down because the economic system they are based off of is a fraud that is failing. They are just rules of the current game we play. They aren't immutable like E=MC2. The game must change.

When the reset comes it will be very different. We should endeavor to put in place the policies that will work in the new system, not cling to the old system and its economic theories.

The longer we do, the bigger the fall and destruction. A good analogy would be to say we built our world economy like a skyscraper on sinking sand. Instead of realizing that halfway, stopping construction, and doing something else... the response driven by the elites has instead to build it higher at all costs. The higher it goes, the more destruction there will be. For the real world, this detachment from reality give rise to a greater chance for war and nuclear war.

I don't think many people on here really know the depth of the situation we really are in.

Overall I think Trump might be getting his ducks in a row for the coming collapse that likely comes on his watch. He knows we're in a massive bubble. He said so publicly on the campaign trail many times. He'll try to salvage what is essentially not salvageable, but if it breaks out on his watch, hopefully he's ready and up for the task.

As for the individual, just like the mainstream media didn't warn you about the dot com bubble, or the housing bubble, they don't acknowledge the biggest one we're in now. So don't expect to be told about it. Just get your own house in order and be prepared for it. Whether anyone likes it or not, it's coming. We don't know the date or hour, but it's coming. Nothing can stop it, just possibly delay it a bit longer.

The elite also won't give up without a fight. The spoils from destroying everyone else are quite lucrative and power is intoxicating. As you could see, the elite HATE Trump. They did everything possible to stop him. He had both sides and the media (owned by the elite) against him.

In the end they might pull the pin of the economic grenade themselves and try to pin it on 'populists' like Trump and like people in Europe. In every bubble collapse before now, they have used the collapse to gain more power to do more destruction. They WILL attempt to again. Just like they always try. (don't forget one of the main catalysts of 2008 was trillions suddenly pulled from money market accounts. Housing derivatives was the grenade, but the withdrawal of funds was the pin being pulled.)

China and Asia in general is dependent on the current system. But in the end, the old system won't work. Whether anyone likes it or not, it will happen. Best to have some policies in place and hope that our leaders are big enough people to navigate the troubled waters ahead. So the new system can't allow Asia to be decimated, and there's ways to do that with diplomatic agreements.

People will doubt the above. People won't want to believe it. People will say nasty things. I don't care. I'm not here to teach everyone about everything. We've all more or less lived through everything that has led us here. People can educate themselves or put their head in the sand. In the end, such people will only have themselves to blame.

With that said, good luck. Also remember that life is not just about the above, and try to enjoy it, our video games, family, friends, etc. But please no one be a blind sheep.

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Cmv383279d ago

Funny, the best guns aren't for the most part American made.

masterfox3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

"The US has had enough of making the world rich at our expense." <---wow such ignorance, US is rich because of the world, companys go and invest outside the US cause investing here in the US is very expensive, companys go outside and invest in low pay labor and most of the income goes to the US, go and see all the manufacturing plants of Apple and check how much wage all these chinese workers get and check how much income Apple gets because of the selling of the iphone, now lets say Apple puts all their manufacturing plants here in the US, you think they will get the same amount of money ?, haha yeah right.

Trump is business man, and like most business man he will care only for its own personal interest he doesn't care if you are brown, white, black, green, purple, etc. if its makes money to him he will exploit this people to the max!, middle class will suffer in the next following years because of this and that includes you the ones that voted for Trump too, sadly Trump voters will have learn the hardway.

Both candidates on this elections weren't any good, the thing was who was the less bad candidate?, lots of people think hell yeah Trump won!" we are now safe from a war from Russia!", ... well guess what now we are probably doing a war with the whole damn world! but not Russia right ? man what a relief right ? LOL.

jrshankill3279d ago

AMEEERRICAAAA ____ YEAH! Coming to save the MUTHA___G DAY YEAH!

asmith23063279d ago

"The US has had enough of making the world rich at our expense." - this is actually hilarious. Tell that to all the countries you manage to f**k up in the pursuit of resources and economic interest.

0Day3279d ago

Give me one example?

Mirdus3279d ago (Edited 3279d ago )

@0Day Middle-East, North Africa, Afghanistan, South America.

Captain_Tom3279d ago

Why?

You literally just said you would pay money to simply not have Obama in power. What are you paying for?

shiva13279d ago

Just so that you get it..... In USA xbox one released for $499. A year later it was released in my country for $786. I had to pay for that import tax. Now tell me which price is better for billion dollar industry? Now lets put that company for manufacturing in US itself.... That cost would go beyond $786 unless manufacturing is totally automated. Where is that benefit when its automated to general public. Labor cost is not cheap in USA...whole month earning elsewhere is one days pay in US for same work.

You will not be able to bear the raise for sure.... If not you i bet lot of people cannot bear that raise for sure and i am not just talking about consoles. From shoes to furniture the stamp says "Made in China"

Tussin1873279d ago

And people were complaining that games prices were high now. What if we had to pay the prices of say Canadians or Australians? I believe it would hurt the industry more than help. I've never heard a person that wants prices to go up. WTF!! So if we had to pay $80 for a game that would be ok? Even though I can afford that, I certainly don't want to pay that much for a game. And on top of that, it's before you factor in DLC. And were not even going to talk about the prices of other goods. That would have a greater impact on families that would have to pay higher prices on the bare neccesities. Forget video games.

I guess we need to forget all the people who can barely make it now. Just because you can afford it doesn't mean everyone can. Please get out of your bubble.

Trash_Report3279d ago

Hey 0Day idiotic Trump supporter, I guess you buy into his BS of how Japan makes it unfair for America like in Automobiles, guess what, Japan doesn't tax American cars when US tax the hell out of Japanese cars.
The reason US cars don't sell in Japan is because of it's bad mileage and it takes up so much space. Instead of figuring out what people want, you make up lies and refuse to make a better product.
US practically forced Asia into a bad deal for Aisa countries in the TPP, and yet Trump will flip it like how US has been duped, it's all a image war and idiots like you buy it up.

Trump spills all this "Unfair" BS when US is the one being the most unfair to the rest of the world.

madpuppy3278d ago

Honda builds most of it's cars in the US since the early seventies and even imports them back to Japan., Toyota, the largest automobile company in the world builds most of it's cars and trucks in the countries it sells them in. Toyota has Many factories in the US bilding Cars, Trucks and SUV's for the NA market. They didn't need Trump to tell them building cars in the US would save them money in the long run.

DarXyde3279d ago

You all would do well to remember that this discussion pertains directly to the cost of games. Why you're going on about politics is beyond me.

TimeSkipLuffy3278d ago

I'm happy you are going to pay more for every console being released. I hope students and other people who work hard for their money can afford it too. But I guess you earn enough to buy one and don't care if others can't even if they work day and night.

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Goodguy012d ago

Yes. Just make a good game instead of worrying it should make some kind of stupid social/political differences in the world... we've got enough of that in the real world. Games are places we can escape to and just have fun.

z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

How about you make a game that’s important to you and the people who are interested in that buy it and the ones that don’t like it don’t have to buy it. Just because something bugs some people doesn’t mean there aren’t other people who it doesn’t bug. Someone’s hangups shouldn’t be other people’s problems.

Don’t want a game that features a political or cultural statement or an underrepresented group of people? Don’t buy it.

Not all of us just want vapid, mindless fantasy all the time. Sometimes we want something that represents us or means something. There’s nothing wrong with that. Look how many movies in the world have covered so many types of stories, people or historical controversies to huge successes. Games are no different.

Eonjay2d ago

The plot to remove representation or ideas and content that you dont approve of is an agenda within itself. Its also censorship. People need are trapped in this main- character syndrome where they believe that the world and all of its happens are fashioned for them alone.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

"Don't buy it"
Exactly what people do.
And then big companies are reminded why if you want to make money you may not want to do things like villainize half your market. If you want to preach one side of an argument you're gonna lose people. At least do the Deus Ex/GTA thing and show the warts on both sides so everyone has something to agree with

senorfartcushion2d ago

We’re still waiting on that Splinter Cell remake…

raWfodog2d ago

On the flip side of that, good games can have characters of different ethnic and social backgrounds without thinking that some agendas are trying to be pushed. I've played many, many great games throughout my life with many different characters (male, female, white, people of color, even some animal characters) and loved them all simply for the story and entertainment they provided me while I escaped into those worlds.

senorfartcushion2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That’s not possible.

Being a child doesn’t remove the political points of OLD GAMES, we were just kids. In fact, older media was decidedly more political than some of the cowardly, childish efforts we have today.

This is precisely why we are still to get that Splinter Cell remake. We can’t have a fun Splinter Cell game with AAA graphics because a few virgins don’t want “politics in their games.”

neutralgamer19922d ago

Keep gaming free of nonsense. Agenda pushing in social media age has gotten worst

senorfartcushion1d 9h ago

Name a game and I’ll tell you what the agenda was

Notellin1d 23h ago

"While our first game is faith-based"

Yeah you guys want to get rid of all the politics and play a nice Southern Baptist game. We get it.

Christopher1d 21h ago

He should follow his own words, then.

*** That changed around two years ago, when he started consulting for Bible X, the studio behind the Christian-based game project Gate Zero. Last month, Gibson, through his recently established publisher Templar Media, acquired the developer.***

Not sure there's anything more political in history than religion.

S2Killinit1d 19h ago

But his statement is also an agenda. Hope people are intelligent enough to know that.

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z2g2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I fail to see how representing actual underrepresented or making them feel included is an “agenda”. This is an extremely self centered selfish viewpoint. Those actual underrepresented people just want to be recognized as valid. The privileged majority who are always represented take that for granted and can’t deal with the fact that “other” types of people or views exist. Inclusion or awareness isn’t an agenda. It’s representing reality and making those “other” people or stories be seen and align with actual reality.

There are literally thousands and thousands of games to choose from, and if you are annoyed that some have cultural or topical relevance, that’s your problem and you don’t have to buy them. Meanwhile other people who want that actually have games that speak to them. So sick of this “my way or the highway” attitude.

And there are plenty of games out there, if that privileged majority have an issue or don’t want a game based on cultural relevance. Pick up a Switch. Most games are g-rated, noncontroversial cartoons with stories fit for tweens. No reality to get mad at.

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KyRo2d ago

It's always me me me me me with you lot. There's a difference between representation and forcing it for the sake of forcing something to a very very loud but very small minority.

Christopher2d ago

You really are only proving their point with this sort of response to the idea of people feeling included in some games versus the plethora of games without it.

Outside_ofthe_Box2d ago

We need to define what "forcing" is because I've seen people say things like Aloy being female in Horizon is pushing an agenda or catering to a "very very loud but very small minority" before.

dveio2d ago

@z2g

I personally think you've nailed it here.

For decades, wether in film or music, there had been ONE primary target group.

And if you're looking further, even in economy, laws, courts or any other area there had been only one target group.

While others, let's be real, were surpressed.

It's "funny" though - why do we all think personalities like David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Freddy Mercury, etc., have had such a huuuge impact on cultures and society? Because they were 1:1 depicts of the Demon Slayer or the Duke?

No, because they were different. Because we all are different.

The only people time and time again that are complaining, whining and moaning about everything (while highly likely even been a fan of Queen or something) are prejudiced people.

Are people that "But it's never been any different, and I want it to stay that way!".

There's nothing highly hidden here. It's always been the same. After decades, even centuries of rules written by and for the "one primary target group", they are now the loudest that complain & moan.

Inverno2d ago

Y'all could also, ya know, just not buy games you feel have an agenda? This constant bitching coming from all these whiney men every time they see a game that isn't catering to them specifically is tiring. They latch themselves onto these games and throw endless amounts of harassment as if there aren't another thousand games releasing before/around/after. I'm usually outspoken when it comes to forced diversity in games, but the issue here is you're all bigoted as hell and need to learn to be a little less offended. Y'all become the snowflakes you mocked so much lol.

MrDead2d ago

This guy is one of the biggest most delicate snowflakes out there, I'm sure he'll be crying on Tucker Carlson or Fox "News" again soon.

Michiel19891d 22h ago

@christopher cater to and include are two very different things. Played most of the games you mentioned and had no issue with any of em because they just include it. I have no issue with inclusion of that, but if in the next god of war, Kratos would all of a sudden hyperfocus on being a strong independent man or a hypermasculine one, I would give them shit for it as well. It has nothing to do with the inclusion of x or y group, but about the integrity of the game.

@inverno stop putting words in my mouth . It's actually the opposite of what you say, I said there can be no conversation because as soon as you criticize them, a whole angry mob comes at you and tries to cancel you. Thankfully it's become less and less over time and people actually realize now they can voice their opinion without having the fear of losing their job.
You really can't see that a lot of companies are now backpeddalling about the woke bs? They finally realize making your product worse to cater to a group who doesn't buy your product anyway is terrible.

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PitbullMonster1d 17h ago

Who was crying about kingdom come deliverance, Stellar Blade and the first descendant? White Hetero men Or leftards?

Inverno1d 5h ago

Leftards but those games still went on to release and become financially and critically successful. This dood, who was a CEO, went on social media to voice an opinion that at the time was controversial. Just cause you have freedom of speech and expression doesn't mean you hafto always voice your opinions publicly. He had to step down because it was more about the company than just him. Now he's back talking bout "unrepresented majority", as if there aren't different audiences to cater to. Since people from both sides can't seem to escape getting fired for voicing opinions then I guess everyone's got to equally face the consequences of their inability to shut up.

MrBaskerville2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Star wars, anti agenda? Lol. I don't think Lucas would agree.

Inverno2d ago

One of the most politically charged movies in existence. They can pretend it's all about space wizards with swords but the space nazis are still in the movies and they're still the bad guys. It's ironic as hell.

JEECE2d ago

More evidence that if the agenda feels legitimate within the story's world, people don't even notice that it is an agenda and they don't complain.

Elit3Nick2d ago

This one gave me a chuckle, too.

JEECE2d ago

As ever, this is a misguided expression of the speaker's issue. While of course there are some games (pure puzzle games, etc) that have no agenda, any game with a narrative is conveying some type of message. What people who say they don't like "woke" or "politics in games" actually mean is that they don't like hamfisted, poorly written narratives/characters that are thin veneers for modern political messages that feel out of place in the game's universe. It's why all these people complain about the Veilguard and not Baldur's Gate 3. They both have "woke" characters but in BG3 they feel like they belong in the universe, while in the Veilguard they just feel like generic fantasy skins for modern American 20-somethings.

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