Wow, so even with double the install base and TGL couldn't double sales of DR4. Interesting.

Don't try to spin it. Because sales do matter for both companies.

@TheCommentator

What are you on about now?

PSVR and consoles are not the same thing. Most companies don't share peripheral numbers. When was the last time Microsoft shared Kinect sales? Don't kid yourself Microsoft not sharing console sales is not the same as Sony not sharing PSVR sales and the only reason you bring it up is to try to downplay Microsofts situation.

On top of that NPD doesn't track peripherals VGChartz doesn't track them and the few VR tracking firms that do have said it's selling better than the other VR units.

So until Microsoft comes out with their own VR and actually shares numbers you should probably just let it go.

Yeah compare a product that has been on the market for alomost 4 years to a product out for almost 4 months. Logic.

Leoms, Sony also did it with the PS3 when they were behind. Logic indeed.

Edit: I already acknowledged that PS4 outsold XB1, medman. I said XB1 is selling better than they ever have before. Gimme a break.

The PS Pro outsold every Xbox Sku during the year in the 2 months it was released and only got outsold by the Slim PS4 and old COD bundle. Just think how bad those sales have to be for a system only 2 months of sales to beat every Sku on Xbox.

To answer your PS3 question hell no since the ps2 is the best selling home console of all time and PS3 was never going to repeat that success

***Hypocrisy is very strong with you guys.***

That's something both sides of this stupid argument have in common, actually.

Christopher, my initial statement was simply pointing out the immediate error in Corroios' comment in a sarcastic way, which I even stated as such in the post. But I then gave a reason for my opinion, an anology to compare it to, and an example of MS' competitor doing exactly what he jabbed MS for. No personal attacks at that point, just a difference of opinion, and yet I get called names and harrassed by everyone else in return.

These people started attacking me instead of the topic Corroios started and it was allowed to go on for a whole day. You said to me before, "Attack the subject, not the individual," right? As I pointed out, that's what I'd done before everyone swarmed on me. These guys need to stop with personal attacks and debate like real people and I will reciprocate, but you know I also fight back when people start to push as well...

I was trying to keep on subject, really. Sorry Christopher. Obviously, it's frustrating when a comment eventually labelled inappropriate has nearly 50 agrees.

Edit: I'm not trying to get personal here, so don't take this as an insult, but you know what I find ironic about your post? The fact that your comment makes you a hypocrite too for not attacking the subject when you posted. Welcome to the club, Christopher, nobody's perfect!

when facts cant help your argument ...

talk some **** about some irrelevant ****

Sony were pretty much clear on their numbers... Its how we knew the gap that started at around 9+ million due to the headstart evaporated. Sony was selling more worldwide consistently and at a higher price for most of the generation ...Bitter pill I know

Except for the fact that PS3 is at 87 million and 360 is at 86 million.

https://www.finder.com.au/1...

@Corro
If they were up front with their numbers why would they show a combined number after ms announced 84million? What were they hiding?

@sunny

Look at the source for the article. It's VGchartz. The last official numbers from Sony on the PS3 was 80 million one month after the 360 hit 80 million. Then they hid then with PS4 and Vita 8 months later, a month after the 360 hit 84 million

what are you even taking about?

@Krib

Seriously what the hell are you on about. Where's the Xbox numbers? They're literally so bad MS knew it would put them under a bad light so they stopped giving numbers at all. Why else would they only discuss customer engagement and other stupid metrics?

Your whole side argument about the PS3 is literally a pointless rant that fits your narrative, but, has nothing to do with the subject at hand. We are talking about PS4 destroying Xbox One sales. Stick to the topic at hand.

At this point you are just embarassing yourself with you factless salty rants.

@chevalier
If you say there is a huge problem because MS is hiding the numbers, how is that different then Sony hiding the PSVR numbers, or the Vita numbers, or the PS3 numbers after MS announced the 84million. Your double standards here are ridiculous.

" If you say there is a huge problem because MS is hiding the numbers, how is that different then Sony hiding the PSVR numbers, or the Vita numbers, or the PS3 numbers after MS announced the 84million. Your double standards here are ridiculous."

Wow what a stretch. Keep moving goalpost onto side arguments that are unrelated!

I will answer your absolutely dumb questions. First I will remind you fellow Canadian I work at EB Games and have for 8 years so let's not pretend you have more info than me.

http://pixelvulture.com/201...

Our stores haven't recieved new PS3 or Xbox 360 stock in pretty much 2 years. That's 2015 if you don't know math. So what reason would Sony or MS have to uodate you on what is now a legacy system?

Vita's we haven't received new stock in almost a year. It is effectively only alive in Europe and Asia. Telling a North American outlets sales is pointless. They're no longer on sale here.

As for PSVR. It is an accessory! When is the last time you heard an accessory being tracked? Do you know how many Xbox Elite controllers were sold? Headsets? Adaptors? Wiimotes? PS4 dualshock? Right you don't. Also where are the regular updates for Vive and Oculus which have been out for over a year? Last update was Vive sold 140,000 October 2016.

If Vive and Oculus are giving such irregular updates why should Sony be any different? It's not hardware.