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Xbox Head Phil Spencer Comments on Crackdown 3 and Phantom Dust: Cloud Tech "Is Working Great"

Phil Spencer comments positively about two upcoming Xbox games, Crackdown 3 and Phantom Dust.

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nevarDcirE3421d ago

MS better have an amazing E3, or no Scorpio for me.

aconnellan3421d ago

Agreed. Previously I was pretty keen based on a spec upgrade alone, but the last couple of months (even the last couple of weeks) have rocked the boat a bit for MS, so E3 will play a huge role in swaying those who are on the fence about Scorpio.

They really need to kill it, nothing less will cut it

GtR35olution3421d ago

When will people realize that all this talk is 4ckery. Xbox one has been on the market for over four years now and its been one pipe dream after another with nothing to show for it. I remember xbox pr saying xbox one will be 10 times more powerful with the power of the cloud but after years of talk we havent seen anything. I remember e3 a couple years ago where crackdown was supposedly going to show the power but that game has had delay after delay. Xbox pr team needs to stop the lies. The playstation team isnt trying to sell any pipe dreams but game consoles and games

CP_Company3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

i can't understand,why people even considering to buy scorpio? just to show off? or what? i think,most important are games.what can they offer from games? almost nothing! it is not like scorpio going to cost 99$ or 199$,it is going to be at least 499$.a lot of people laugh from Sony because they don't put 4k drive into Pro or Slim,and look at it now? whos laughing now? no one is speaking about that,no one.now,a lot of people speaking about killer line-up games.console sales are huge because software is amazing and versatile.what will have scorpio? few games? that is it?
p.s. when MS was amazing in E3? :)

morganfell3421d ago

@aconnellan,

Just curious and I mean that but could you define "kill it"? Do the games have to launch this year for "kill it" or will you be satisfied with games that are shown that are not given a launch date along with enhancements for current and past titles?

TheCommentator3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

CP, some people just want the best tech period and may have bought the Pro for the same reason already. Others may not have an XB1 yet, and want to make sure what they buy will last as long as possible before becoming obsolete. Maybe they're interested in no compromise native 4K, 2nd gen VR experiences like the headsets debuted at CES, UHD BluRay, and BC/FC. Maybe it's just their preference to buy MS products. With assumption cast aside for a moment, the only real answer is that it's a consumers choice to decide.

OT: I want to say that I can respect your strongly worded opinion without defamating your character. You don't have to like MS or its' products and your perspective is valid. I don't have to like Sony or its' products just the same. Of course, now that I've played Devil's advocate and answered your question, I'm sure It'll be me who gets called out... yet again(SIGH)... for having an opinion that differs from that of a Sony fan. So be it, let the personal attacks commence, because I will continue to voice my opinions just the same as you were allowed to voice yours.

RosweeSon3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Selling my Xbox one s once I've finished the exclusives so yeah Scorpio got a waaay to go to get me on board Games first and foremost if i wanted a tech'd out PC I'd get... a tech'd out PC I want a games console.
Preferably with some games... from this gen.
that's not a dig at BC but I got a 360 still I can just use that more to the point I'm not buying most powerful console in the world to play BC games and watch Netflix. Pass.

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Lonnie183421d ago

Cloud Tech doesn't really matter anymore with PS PRO out and HDR on all ps4's!

aconnellan3421d ago

Would you mind explaining why not?

Obscure_Observer3421d ago

Well, people call out Phil a liar by using the Scorpio to ditch the Cloud for the Xbox One. E3 is goin to be interesting indeed. :)

BizarroUltraman3421d ago

I believe HDR made its debut on Xbox One S. Youre right, all old PS4 has HDR yet cant output any 4K content to reallly take full advantage of HDR.

Whats funny when you look up HDR games on PS4 on yt. 99% are all PS4 Pro vids. Where are the vanillas showing off that color gamut...lol

Liqu1d3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

What have they got to do with the cloud?

Aries833421d ago

It's not even true HDR on vanilla PS4 models. Look it up if you want to be honest with yourself.

TheCommentator3421d ago

Do you mind explaining how 20 XB1's worth of compute power from the cloud (25tf+) doesn't matter when compared to a 4.2tf system? Did you know that the cloud will also enhance the 6tf Scorpio as well?

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aconnellan3421d ago

I wholeheartedly agree that they need to start showing it sooner rather than later, but the article was written about a reply to a Tweet:

"Please Phil, we need more news about Crackdown 3 or new gameplay. 2017 is looking kinda dry for Xbox One tbh"

His reply was "Just played Crackdown3 w/ @shannonloftis Best CD exp I've had. Agent control, world is very alive, diverse enemies, really fun"

Replying to a Tweet isn't the best format to show the first lot gameplay for Crackdown 3 - also, given how big the project is (and how much work publishing is in general), they'll already have a schedule of when they're showing it and what exactly they're showing, so they'll be sticking to that. Unfortunately for us, that'll probably be around E3 time.

It's interesting to wonder, however, if the last couple of weeks of bad press will impact that or not, like whether they'll show Crackdown 3 earlier/later, or shuffle around some stuff for the Scorpio reveal. Time will tell, I guess

Obscure_Observer3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Wait for E3. If Cloud works for Crackdown 3, some people will choke with crow stuck in their throats!

UCForce3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Look, I understand. But we haven't seen Crackdown 3 gameplay since 2015. So you believe Phil Spencer that much ?

Edit : @Obscure_Observer Ok, I see.

CP_Company3421d ago

after 4 and half year,some people still talking about "cloud",so how many years we will need to wait that mighty "cloud"?

nowitzki20043421d ago

And if they dont show actual gameplay with enemies and all? or if it doesnt work as great as everyone thinks? Will anyone be choking then?

Obscure_Observer3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

@UCForce

Yeah. I belive Phil is honest at heart. He doesn´t run or shy away from the Scalebound´s cancellation fallout! And to me, it says a lot about a leader. He faced (and still are facing) angry Xbox One owners, fans and fanboys like a boss.

He is nothing like the PR clowns at MS like Greenberg. Heres what he said about the "Year of the Scorpio" despise of his fellow co-workers corporated PR BS claims:

"Going to be a good year. Work to do on games, platform, XBL and hardware, fun times. Im waiting to hype until we show games"

If he is not hyping the Scorpio, why would him hype or lie about Crackdown 3´s development? Doesn´t even make sense.

So yeah, i´m expecting Phil and Xbox team to deliver on this and shove crow down the throat of the naysayers. ;)

I understand that might turn out disappointed on this. But i rather stay positive than negative. :)

nowitzki20043421d ago

@Obscure
"I understand that might turn out disappointed on this. But i rather stay positive than negative. :)"

Its a good way to go about life. I hope it works and works great. Just from what we have seen and little they have shown, doesnt tell me that they are very confident with it.

tyasia03421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

"Wait for E3. If Cloud works for Crackdown 3, some people will choke with crow stuck in their throats!"

I'll wait untill the game is in peoples hands and not on a closed network.

"Yeah. I belive Phil is honest at heart. He doesn´t run or shy away from the Scalebound´s cancellation fallout! And to me, it says a lot about a leader. He faced (and still are facing) angry Xbox One owners, fans and fanboys like a boss."

What, going on a twitter rampage to distract people and try to change the conversation topic?

"He is nothing like the PR clowns at MS like Greenberg. Heres what he said about the "Year of the Scorpio" despise of his fellow co-workers corporated PR BS claims: "

He is the head of Xbox, he's greenlighting what these guys say. Do you think he was unaware of how misleading the "Best Selling Console" or the "4K Gaming" ads ect. were? Did he stop them? No.

"If he is not hyping the Scorpio, why would him hype or lie about Crackdown 3´s development? Doesn´t even make sense."

Why... because you Xbox guys keep falling for the Microsoft hype machine every time they do it.

"I understand that might turn out disappointed on this."

Good.

Obscure_Observer3421d ago

@tyasia0

Since you call me a "Xbox guy", is clear that you don´t know nothing about me. I understand. You don´t trust Phil. Good for you. By reading your comments i´m not gonna waste my time trying to change your mind.

Happy gamming! :)

Lonnie183420d ago

Please Crackdown probably canceled lol.

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Gazondaily3421d ago

Don't worry. When they show the tech then the goalposts will move for the naysayers to something else...

Oh wait...they already showed it......

RosweeSon3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Took the words out of my mouth Talk is indeed cheap look at patcher.. I could sit hear and talk Crackdown 3 up doesnt mean anything tho. Show the game of let us see it play a demo the game will talk for itself if it's up to scratch. They better hope so otherwise they better go buy up games.
I'd say sweet it's good septic I've got no problem with saying something is good if it's warranted. They've shown naff all of the game as all we hear is yeah it's looking sweet.. show us trailer a recent one. Cloud stuff is all good but pretty crap if internet is down. Reckon it'll be a mess Myself not like it's a top series anyway Crackdown 1 was cool 2 was alright 3 is MIA. ✌🏻

Gazondaily3421d ago

So say it works. Say they do what you're saying and let you play the demo or the game. And the tech works.

What will you say then?

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TechnoGoat3421d ago

Too bad releasing exclusives isn't working...

nowitzki20043421d ago

He could at least tweet "New Ips are coming along great!"

tinynuggins3421d ago

Why does he need to tweet what we already know? Of course ms has new ips and unannounced games in development. Same with sony and Nintendo. They shouldnt have to show their cards early just to make you feel better right now. Just be patient and wait for e3. If after e3 you're not happy, sell the system.

game4funz3421d ago

Didn't they already do that?... Phil already said new ips at e3

mark_parch3421d ago

i'm really excited for crackdown but i think i might be disappointed

nowitzki20043421d ago

Same here. CD1 is one of my all time favorites. CD2 was forgettable though. Keeping a very close watch on CD3 but not getting my hopes too high.

kassler3421d ago

If it's working great, why not show it? Xbox are in need of some positive news!

Obscure_Observer3421d ago

Why would they do that? E3 is the perfect event to show the cloud power to the world. (if it really works like it supposed to on multiplayer mode)

nowitzki20043421d ago

So far the only video I have seen of gameplay had 0 enemies and looked like a X360 game

Obscure_Observer3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

@nowitzki2004

In case you didn´t notice the "gameplay" you´re referring to was intented to show the cloud tech behind the game. Zero "enemies"? Of course! It was a tech demo and not a full multiplayer competitive match. And oh, it looked like a 360 game to you? Guess what? The game wasn´t polished either!

Nice try though. ;)

nowitzki20043421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Its not my fault thats all they showed. If I had something great and it worked, I wouldnt wait 2 years to show it again lol.

sinspirit3421d ago

@Obscure_Observer

Many tech demo's actually have great graphics nowadays. And, from how much time has passed between so many of these games MS revealed we have gotten next to nothing for updates. Not even screen captures. It's ridiculous to see you trying to spin more positivity out of their continued lack of support and lame attempts and numbers games at marketing.

Cloud is a gimmick in the way they are trying to present it to you and what they want you to believe. 99% of the things they pretend are new are actually over a decade old. And, the make believe that they will dedicate so many resources to your console on their dime is a ridiculous thing to think. I did really intense research a while ago on this, and so have many others. The latency is too much. Their servers, even locally, are not up to par in power, consistency of server units(they have a ton of variations of low to mid range server hardware from 5 years ago), and it costs to much resources just to get it to function properly in software at the level they want you to believe they will do, and even if they do make it work it is financially a waste of their own time and money and as a business they won't actually do it. That is why all of their demos have been connected to a local server.

Obscure_Observer3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

@nowitzki2004

"Its not my fault thats all they showed. If I had something great and it worked, I wouldnt wait 2 years to show it again lol."

The cloud computing that will (hopefuly) power Crackdown 3's multiplayer mode is a PIONEER technology on console games. The tech is in its infant days. The project and investment are HUGE. And you just expect it to work like charm? The game was announced on June 2014, will take 3 year to be released and yet here you are ranting, complaing and making demands like things should meet your agenda/expectations. If the game so far doesn´t impressed you at all, one can wonder why do you even care?

E3 is not far away. Give it time and relax.

Obscure_Observer3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

@sinspirit

"Many tech demo's actually have great graphics nowadays. And, from how much time has passed between so many of these games MS revealed we have gotten next to nothing for updates. Not even screen captures"

I´m also dying for some screenshots, videos, news and updates for Detroit Become Human as well. And so far, nothing! Does it make me angry? No!

"It's ridiculous to see you trying to spin more positivity out of their continued lack of support and lame attempts and numbers games at marketing."

Maybe. But not more ridiculous than fanboys ranting, hating and spread FUD and lies on every positive MS and Nintendo articles. They fool no one with their false concern and biased agenda. They´re only fooling themselves to think anyone really care or fall for their tired, lame and repeated hateful gospel sh%$.

"Cloud is a gimmick in the way they are trying to present it to you and what they want you to believe."

MS is a leading cloud computing company (Azure). So forgive me for take their words in consideration on this matter after many years of experience, research, resources, money, investiments, structure, marketing and manpower over your "intense internet research".

But hey, we shall see soon. E3 is not that far. :)

rainslacker3421d ago (Edited 3421d ago )

Yeah, I mean, last E3, where we were told to wait for that event....remember? I do. They gave a developer diary saying how exciting it was working on the game, and barely showing anything.

Kind of what they did with the Scorpio reveal....saying how all those developer dreams could now come true.

MS likes to talk about the game, but they do seem to have a really hard time actually showing the game. That's not usually a good sign. Consider they showed off Scalebound in what Xbox fans now claim is a terrible state, which everyone else called a terrible state before, yet all we get from CD3 is some canned "simulated" footage for a video of the developers talking about how exciting it is to develop the game.

nothing to worry about though....no reason for concern.....MS is good at delivering on the hype.

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Darkfist_Flames3421d ago

great, cancel them both, the xbox gamers will happy :)

notachance3421d ago

xbox fanboys be like 'it's good that MS cancel both games instead of releasing mediocre quality games'
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the only xbox exclusive ever got > 90 metacritic is forza horizon 3, which also released on PC

TheCommentator3421d ago

The developers behind RIGS say hello. 3rd Sony studio to close down recently, right? Both companies cancel production, but it obviously has less impact on a company that has more studios to absorb the loss (like Sony). I'm excited for what's coming from MS this year already so anything announced now is just icing on my cake!

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma30d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay30d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran830d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger30d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2330d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay31d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn232d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn231d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown32d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay31d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay31d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac31d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger32d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300032d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde32d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde31d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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