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PS4 Pro Performance Is Equivalent to $900 PC, It's "Really High Benchmark" for Console - ARK Dev

PS4 Pro performance is roughly equivalent to a $900 PC, according to ARK Lead Programmer Jeremy Stieglitz who's very impressed with its performance.

The team is also looking into PSVR and crossplay options with other platforms.

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ccgr3440d ago

When you put it that way the PS4 Pro is quite the bargain.

mikeslemonade3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

$900 sounds about right.

GTX 970 $250
CPU $250
PSU $30
Motherboard $60
Ram $60.
Case $10
HDD $40
OS: $90
Total: $790
After tax you getting pretty close to $900. And you have to build the PC and buy the parts piece by piece.

If you go AMD side you can get it like as much as 30% cheaper.

Alexious3439d ago

A $250 is more powerful than PS4 Pro's, though.

mikeslemonade3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

I went with a Intel board. Which is current gen I5 or last gen I5. You can cheaply go AMD.

Vegamyster3439d ago

What $250 CPU are you buying? A good i5 is under $200, AMD FX 8320 is well under $150.

XStation4pio_Pro3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

@alexious:
a $250 card gets you an rx480 with peak 5.8 TFLOPS, but you have to account for the fact that they aren't directly comparable because consoles are built for pretty much nothing but pushing graphics so the gpu and APIs are customized, efficient and down to the metal (same reason dx12 doesn't make a huge difference on the x1) so they are going to be in the same neighborhood at the very least in terms of performanc. PCs don't have as much of a luxury in that particular neighborhood of performance gain.

ChrisW3439d ago

Power equivalent to a GTX 970? Doubtful. Maybe a GTX 960.

Youngindy213439d ago

Cases are more than 10 dollars. That's absurd.

kevnb3439d ago

Digital foundry built their pc with 480, found that games played well around 1440p and it seems the ps4 pro plays most games around the same.

Vhampir3439d ago

If you know how and where to shop, you can build an equivalent, or a little better, PC for $500 at most.

Both XBox One and PS4(pro aswell) use AMD jaguar APUs, so you may as well go by AMD prices. Windows 10 can be bought for $20, or for free even if you don't mind being watched. RX470 for $160, which is more powerful than what's in the PS4 pro. The rest can be bought even cheaper in combo deals.

thexmanone3439d ago

$10 for the case and $30 for the PSU. I don`t think so.

starchild3439d ago

I could easily build a PC for around $600 that would generally outperform the PS4 Pro. I don't know where people get these extremely skewed figures.

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tontontam03439d ago

@aquamala
intel-i7 processors has significant performance gains over i5 processors on some games I don't know why that is the case, but I'm planning on buying an i7 processor when kaby lake comes out.

game4funz3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

A $250 cpu is a lot more powerful then the cpu in the ps4 pro.
Doesn't sound right at all.

$10 for a case? what kind of case are you getting? really shows how you do not know what you are talking about.
$30 for a power supply. Well good luck running the gtx970 + whatever $250 cpu youre thinking of.

strifeblade3439d ago

wow if ps4 is a 900$ pc then scorpio is like a 1400$ pc. Thats amazing

Princess_Pilfer3439d ago

1: https://pcpartpicker.com/li...
650USD. Didn't even bother to find a sale, and this will thrash a PS4 pro in terms of performance (partly GPU, but mostly the way, way, way better CPU.) And yes, the fancy upscaling is perfectly possible on PC if the devs actually wanted to do it. (Ubisoft already has.)

2: Ubuntu. No OS cost.

3: PS+ eats your money. (and the games they "give" you are all old enough that you probably don't care and/or won't play them so are a waste of money, and PC users get free games all the time without pirating)

n4rc3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

$900 crushes the ps4p and probably scorpio as well (only say probably since we dont know final specs or price)

maybe a prebuilt retail system at $900..

10 disagrees about a $400 console not being as powerful as a $900 pc... man, you fanboys really are delusional.. lol

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sinjonezp3439d ago

WRong about PSU. Best price would be 60 $ evga. Non sli psu if running a 970 and i5...case 10 dollars? Just no.....mobo 60?? Not for an intel that requires good bandwidth for memory and pci express lanes...Cheapest quality terabyte hdd would be 59-69$ so some of this data is incorrect it's still close but might as well go gtx 1060 6gb for 269 over 970..

Drizzy3439d ago

Damn shitty case,hdd,ram and psu

Movefasta19933439d ago

You've never heard of a rx480???

TwistedMetal3439d ago

dont forget shipping and handling. a ps4 pro you can pick up at any retialer.

Sy_Wolf3439d ago

Where did you get those prices from?

Matology3439d ago

I wouldn't be putting a GTX 970 with a cheep ass PSU. And besides its more like 470-480 AMD card. Your asking for trouble with cheap PSU's.

KillBill3439d ago

You forgot the keyboard/mouse, why does everyone forget that? ha

robleroy3439d ago

you forgot the controller

hiredhelp3439d ago

If you going put a $30 PSU in my pc I kick your butt your pricing man is way off base mike.

mochachino3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

That CPU/GPU combination would destroy a PS4 Pro in performance.

Consoles are a great value for their performance. You couldn't build a PC from scratch that performs as well as a console for the same price. But if you already have the OS, Case, Ram, etc. and are just upgrading the GPU you can demolish consoles for less money.

A 2500k, which is 6 year old CPU, paired with even a 1060 or 480 still outperforms a PS4 Pro by a lot. And you must add 60 per year for PSN Plus. Making the 5 year cost the same but with worse performance.

Point is, if you already have a PC it's better to spend money on an upgrade than on a console.

mikeslemonade3439d ago

lol because you pedestrians here on N4G don't know how to deal shop.

Sometimes the cases and psu are free after rebate. Or around $10-$20 after the rebate. One gtx 970 and those components only needs like a 450w PSU.

addictgamer3439d ago

But I already have a 2 year old i5/970 computer. I guess building a computer to "match" ps4 pro level graphics now is free

ssmilloy363439d ago

30$ psu. plan on malfunction

agent45323439d ago

Agreed except PC with those parts offers both NATIVE 1080p/4K resolution and 60 frames per second for 1080p and 30 frames per second for 4K resolution. On contrast on PS4 Pro is UPSCALE 4K resolution and either 30 frames per second or less and not all PS4 Pro games run at native 1080p/60 frames per second. Does not counting the non-gaming features the PC offers. The PS4 Pro is an overclocked OG PS4 no more no less. Is cheaper to buy a new case and overclock than build a new PS4 from the ground up.

josephayal3439d ago

PS4 Pro is the ultimate gaming super computer system console machine ultra powerful, i love my PS4 pro

kraenk123439d ago

@ChrisW

A GTX970 is roughly 4 TF either so quite comparable actually.

Zarock3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

That cpu Is probably a 4 core cpu. Since the PS4 Is 8 cores, You can get an 8 core Xeon cpu for 65$ only.

mikeslemonade3438d ago

Take this you pedestrians!

$30 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

$10 after rebate when i saw the deal
http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

mikeslemonade3438d ago

and lol at blowing up. New gen i5 and i7 cpus run at 65c stock and 970 requires like around 200(?) watts. Also runs at 80c stock.

So you pedestrians probably still cheaping out on the AMD side or old gen NVIDIA cards. I have 980ti with 4790k, eat my dust!

Kurdishcurse3438d ago

except the ps4 pro is nowhere near gtx970 performance. not even half actually id say its bafely reaching a 670 in power. too bad the cpu is as strong as a wet napkin. this is another reason why the ark dev is either lying for marketing or pulling poney dust out of his bumbum.

Drizzy3437d ago

You might need a monitor too

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Huguinho3439d ago

I love when some 'x' developer gives an opinion of something that is "favorable" to Sony, n4g states it immediatly as a fact. Otherwise...

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Chris_Wray3440d ago

Not a huge surprise that they got to release. Makes sense for Sony to get good games onnthe system.
I'm not sold on the $900 pc equivalent part though. A bit too much like PR speak for me, but I do imagine that it's good value for money.

Festano3440d ago

I agree with you, I think even a $600 PC might easily outperform the Pro.

Aloy-Boyfriend3439d ago

False. In one article about building a PC that matches the PS4 , the cost was between $500 and $600. So that $600 pc is the equivalent of a OG PS4.

masterfox3439d ago

I agree about to play right now Uncharted 4 visually similar game on my mighty PC...oh wait!!!.... there's none actually that can reach Uncharted 4 visuals or gameplay, god damnn, oh well going to play a similar Driveclub racing game on my mighty PC that can portray better weather effects or better photorealistic images.....what!!!?, theres none too for the PC!!!!!!. god damn it!.

oh hell with this PC gaming going back to my ready to play stunning games on my PS4. :D

aquamala3439d ago

PS4 Pro is only running this game at 720p 60fps or 1080p 30-60fps, pretty sure a $600 PC runs this game better than that

Vegamyster3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

@XiKurapikaKurta

Probably not $600 but For $900 your can easily get something with a 1070 & OS in it which blows the 970 away.

"We estimate it would cost at least $900 to build a similarly powerful PC, and that’s if you were custom-building it with extreme cost control. We estimate its raw GPU performance is similar to an NVIDIA 970"

Just sounds like PR speak.

https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

http://cdn.techfrag.com/wp-...

mikeslemonade3439d ago

If you cheap out by getting AMD parts than $600 is almost possible but you have to wait for deals.

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ONESHOTV23439d ago

masterfox-- are you talking about that interactive movie ? lol uncharted is nothing but cutscenes it's like a soup with a lot of broth but no content. and btw the witcher 3 easily beats uncharted in terms of visuals and gameplay so what are you talking about if you were a PC gamer you would know this dont play the console version and say it looks bad becuase of course it will it's on the console. the same with driveclub go and try project cars or forza forza horizon 3 on PC @ 1440p or 4k maxed and come back and tell me driveclub looks better

starchild3439d ago

@masterfox

Your anti-PC comments are always filled with delusion. You clearly haven't played on any decent gaming PC.

joshljr3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

In raw power then yes, but console games are often optimised specifically to get everything out of any given system.

How much they'll be able to get away with on a PC is an unknown quantity.

On a side note: Would love for multi platform games to be cross platform though... But that might be because I'm on the less popular Xbox 😉

game4funz3439d ago

@Xiku

Well if you take into account the fact that most ps4 pro owners already had a ps4 that would mean they mightve spent upwards of 700$ for this gen alone.

I've only spent 250$ or so to upgrade my graphics card. done.

robleroy3439d ago

first let me see a $600 pc running an uncharted4 alike game as smooth and good-looking as a ps4 does.......
Consoles are built for games..
PC's are not!!!...and are restrained by slots (the slots in which you plug your graphics card, CPU and memory. (consoles don't have those...))
.And games are better tweaked for consoles .a pc can have gazillion hardware setups. And let us not think about the controller and device options (kinect,move,psvr, wii)

zidane13413439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

Masterfox: are you seriously saying a computer couldn't handle uncharted? That's the dumbest thing I've heard all day, congratulations! Computers could smoke uncharted, and if you think otherwise your straight up crazy

Unspoken3438d ago

Easily. GTX 1060 would smoke the PS4 Pro.

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Corpser3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

More in the $700-800 range I think, and with $400 PS4 pro and paying $60 to play online a year for 6 years PS4 pro gaming costs the same. And pc components drop their prices fast, that $700 PC today you Can build next year for $500 .

pleasuretokill3439d ago

Not to mention, PC games are usually always cheaper than console games, by a lot! Steam sales alone will allow you to save %50-80 off most AAA titles during winter and summer sales, when you add it all up... PC gaming is better if you can afford the up front cost of the hardware.

SierraGuy3439d ago

Guys...ps4 pro also supports remote play so factor in that hardware / software cost. Just saying...

Princess_Pilfer3439d ago

Not even that.
https://pcpartpicker.com/li...

635USD, if you get nothing on sale. And the CPU is way more powerful than the PS4 pros, so when you're dealing with CPU bound process it will *way* outperform the PS4.

thisismyaccount3439d ago

At pl.tokill

Yeah, PC games tend to be much cheaper .. maybe when you buy them during one of those Steam Summer/Winter sales perhaps? Day 1 and few months after, both version will cost the same.

GTA5 still costs €60 on steam http://store.steampowered.c...
Amazon $60 .. used? $30 https://www.amazon.com/Gran...
Witcher 3 on steam €30, on GoG €15
Witcher 3 on PS4 €50, XB1 €40, PC €30 (Gamestop.de)

Buy games on GoG
#FUSTEAM

Weapon_of_choice3438d ago

And with a pc you get hacks and cheaters, and no ps4 gamepad. I'll stick with my pro thank you very much.

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uth113439d ago

I'm sure armchair pundits are bigger experts in PC vs PS4 performance than a developer whose job it is to measure such things though...

Str8Chaos743439d ago

Or you can run a benchmark with actual numbers and compare them.

starchild3439d ago

Developers aren't immune to saying stupid things though. I don't doubt they are knowledgeable about the very particular aspect of game making they are involved in (art, programming, level design, etc), but that doesn't make them experts in everything gaming-related.

The fact is, these things have already been tested and the results are well documented. http://m.neogaf.com/showthr...

It doesn't take anywhere near a $900 PC to match, and even beat, the PS4 Pro.

n4rc3439d ago

we arent talking game development, we are talking hardware... its an apples to apples comparison, it doesnt take a genius to figure it out..

agent45323439d ago

It depends because PC gamers built their PC from the ground up. Basically, they know which parts are cheap but efficient plus knowing the ins and outs of PC parts by understanding clockspeeds, ram, temperature, etc. All of that gives credibility to PC gamers. What if Sony gave the dev $25 million dollars to say the PS4 Pro is on par to a $900.00 PC. After all, Sonys' goal is to sell PS4 Pro systems. No corporation nor game developer that makes games for say system is going to admit:

"We overclocked the OG PS4 and is on par to a low end gaming PC."

If Sony and say game developer were to say that, how many PS4 Pro would be sold?

kraenk123439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

@starchild

I also mostly game on PC but I as this developer I sure know, and you know too, that a console of the same power by far outperforms the PC equivalent due to better optimised hardware...a simple benchmarks doesn't count...that's what this is about! Deny it all you want.

Unspoken3438d ago

Then you have fan boys who believe anything they read on the net....

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madcowz643439d ago

@masterfox: Relax and take your fan boy goggles off for a second. Exclusives built specifically for a console are obviously going to look fantastic but U4's downfall is that it's only 30fps. Compare any game running on ultra settings on PC compared to PS4PRO the amount of shortcuts it takes to run any game on 4k or even 1080p 60fps is laughable, look up Rise of the Tomb Raider for example. Oh and any game with mods including Skyrim, a game from 2011 looks better than U4. Not downing U4 in anyway, it's gorgeous but you'd have to be blind to think any consoles can outperform a PC.

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KaiPow3439d ago

They mention trying to do PSVR as a Pro-exclusive feature. Is this something that Sony would allow?

no_more_heroes3439d ago

How is the Pro in terms of noise? Is it quieter than the base ps4?

Antnee5343439d ago

I have the pro and mine is quieter than the base ps4

no_more_heroes3439d ago

Cool. I vaguely remember reading something like that, but wasn't sure. If it's noticeably quieter, then I think I'll try and get one sooner than planned. I don't have a 4k screen yet, but it looks like there will be an improved 1080p option in games so it'll still be good to get.

Now to start saving.

crazychris41243439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

Never had the OG PS4 but I used an Android app to measure sound and the highest it got was 40 db in Infamous Second Son. It usually stays around 30-35 during gaming, rare to go over. I only notice it when playing at night or during quiet moments.

Slappy McGee3439d ago

The Pro is louder after playing a while. I never heard the OG PS4 (non slim) from where i sit across from my tv but i can hear the Pro. It's not loud enough to be annoying or anything but it took me by surprise enough to mute my tv and determine where the noise was coming from. Of course this was after 2 hours of play in Skyrim so it's not like the Pro is a jet engine or anything the minute you turn the system on.

Slappy McGee3439d ago (Edited 3438d ago )

To everyone disagreeing, here's an example from a while ago when i was playing. This is 20 minutes into turning the system on and playing The Last Guardian.

http://sendvid.com/3pyu3n6v

https://sendvid.com/67yqcsd... (12 feet away. Turn volume up to max)

Post video proof of my Pro actually making noise and get downvotes. There's some fucking idiots on this site....

Aenea3439d ago

Mja, there also have been more recent non-Slim PS4's which were a lot quieter... I had a launch model PS4 and it was LOUD, way fricking LOUD when playing certain games, even just a game on pause it would be loud, so loud that if I went to do something else for even 30 min I rather put it in sleep mode instead.

Now with the Pro it's so quiet I will keep it on...

gbsrnctaln3439d ago

Silent compared to my old ps4 which sounded like a jet engine.

DashArrivals3439d ago

Dude, the sound of the PS4pro is a non-issue.

no_more_heroes3439d ago

It's less important to me (even though I do notice it while playing) and more to do with my family. Playing FFXV a couple of days ago and my little sister was wondering what was making so much noise.

I want something less noticeable when its on so that I can play it in my room using remote play while she's in the living room where she likes to study (she's in med school).

ONESHOTV23439d ago

i dont know about the original PS4 but the pro is some what quite when you insert a disc it does make a lot of noise but goes away within a minute or so

SouljAx3603439d ago

Using Uncharted 4 as benchmark since it made my old PS4 crazy loud, it's much quieter. It's by no means silent though.

kraenk123439d ago

It's not as near silent as the last 1200 series model but more silent than the launch model I'd say.

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Aurenar3439d ago

All aboard to the marketing train! Ps4 pro like a 900$ pc? Are you kidding me?

sactownlawyer9163439d ago

Let's see should I believe some rando on N4G or a developer who has developed a game on all three systems? Surely the rando would know more right?

starchild3439d ago

That's what you fanboys always say. Unless it's a developer saying something good about Xbox or PC or Nintendo, in which case suddenly they don't know anything.

game4funz3439d ago

And has yet to optimize it well on all three systems. lol

Charybdis3439d ago (Edited 3439d ago )

No they are literallly saying that for the same performance you could build your own $900 pc with extreme cost control (pre build will obviously cost more).

The 10th Rider3439d ago

But we just built a PC fo around $900 that runs BF1 at 1440p 70-80fps on ultra, way above the PS4P. Nowadays you can get a 1080 for a tiny bit more than we got our 1070 for. We just built my brother-in-law a PC that will match the pro's performance for only $600. That's with a 256 GB SSD + large HDD in both, as well

kenwonobi3439d ago

We get it. It hurts your ego that it 900 dollars worth of PC equivalent graphics. The rest of just appreciate the bargain.

KilluaX33439d ago

" it 900 dollars worth of PC equivalent graphics"

Maybe graphics, but definitely not frame rate.

stuna13439d ago

Yeah it's not like all PC's are built to exact specs, crazy isn't it!?

kraenk123439d ago

I knew there would be lots of hurt PC fans crying out loud.

Gravesinger_3438d ago

I knew there would be lots $ony fans who would buy in to this garbage.

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma12d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay12d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran811d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger11d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2311d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay13d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn214d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn213d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown13d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay13d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay13d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac13d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger13d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300013d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde13d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde13d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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