this is false...
the dev kit contains a ( scalability framework )

this devs are shit

Feels like developers have to "downgrade" their games to fit "same" console... seems very bizarre to me.

Gamingbolt is a synonym for horseshit.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Stopped reading when it said gamingbolt...

What a load of complete and utter crap. I'm sorry but there's really no other way to put that. It's complete nonsense. Developing for the PS4 system is now no different at all from how you would develop a game for the PC, lest we forget that the PS4/Pro are actually just mid range computers.

You develop your game with scaleability in mind. You create higher resolution textures and modify your engine to take advantage of a higher resolution/frame rate/draw distance/whatever your preference and be done with it. This is not a difficult thing to achieve, especially if you have a background in PC development.

The only downside to it is time. It takes a little more time to create higher resolution assets, but then these can be scaled easily for the base system. It takes a little longer to optimise your engine, but not too much longer and with many studios using middleware, the hard work is already done for them. I've never developed anything for one architecture systems with varied performance ratios and considered it to be anything but normal. This isn't like developing cross platform for PS4/PS3 where they have entirely different architectures, it's the same sodding system.

Ok, rant over, I just get annoyed when I read such complete and utter misinformed arse gravy.

and so it begins, its the same damn problem with pc, only they dont have to abide by any standards. The solution will be a sad one in that they will always have to code to the base model and any upgrades will be an after-thought AFTER the base model has been completed.

Scorpio will have it even worse!! If MS doesnt abandon the Xbox one which we all know they have a history of doing so LOL!!

I dont know why the developers are worried about this ? Shouldnt they just develop for the PS4 like normal & the Pro should run it just fine ? But the question that must be asked is whats the point of the Pro (Games Wise) if everything has to match with the regular PS4 ?

No it won't, clickbait! PS4 Pro just make everything released on normal PS4 look nicer. Easy to understand

It begins.

Gamingbolt idiots jesus

"No man left behind" is what will hold back the the pro and scorpio from reaching the full potential of their respective power. I've said it over and over. However, regardless, sony and Microsoft's first party studios should be able to get a lot more out of them because they will actually take the time to truly support them. Most 3rd party devs are lazy. Really, i think every game should have options like rise of the tomb raider. A good example going forward.

some unknown developer complains that developing is hard

"The major problem for us as the developers is that there is going to be line-up of different but still same consoles with mandatory backwards compatibility."

how is it backwards compatibility if it's the *same console*, just more powerful?

What I don't understand with all this is that PCs have been happily doing the same games on a range of hardware capabilities for years.

You can buy a PC game, and no matter whether you have a fairly entry level gaming PC or a top end beast - the game will work, but with a variation in visual quality.

This is similar but with only 2 configurations (PC has millions of possible combinations of hardware) so devs can tune/tweak the visual settings for each of the 2 hardware setups.

Don't see an issue

Umm every PC game does this to a far greater extent. PC games have to be scalable to a greater degree yet it's so difficult to have 4K Pro version and a base version? The supposed man hours to make a Pro patch is ridiculously low, it is not resource intensive at all. A Pro version could easily be a deciding factor of whether to buy your game for ppl on the fence. It made me buy AC Syndicate on Black Friday. The promotion and benefits it can have on sales far outweighs the 2 weeks it would take one person to make a Pro patch.

Let's say an average programmer makes 1k per week. So, a Pro patch is costing you about $2k in man hours to make. Even if you only sell 1K extra copies bc of Pro you more than made your money back. It's silly when you compare the potential cost to profit margin. A AAA could easily sell 20k extra copies bc of Pro, at $60 a piece that's over 1 million dollars extra.

I get what the article is saying but this is rubbish. The Pro is a PS4 enhanced, which is why when you turn it on it is the same as the base model, so the games must be able to run on both consoles, with Pro versions being enhanced.

The Pro is not meant to be the PS5, so devs need to continue making PS4 games just as they would have been had their not been a Pro and release Pro patches. It is as simple to me as that. What other console options do they have?

Lets be real here, what are devs going to do, move the games to the Switch which has less power than the base PS4 model, lol, and Scorpio is not coming out anytime soon, but MS is going to be in the same position with that console if they do as Sony and mandate the Scorpio games must also run on X1, as most devs are not going to make 2 versions of games for the same platform.

These articles are hilarious, as many were whining that the PS4 X1 were not powerful enough, and Sony gives you double the GPU power and mofos still whining.

Just make the best games that the hardware will allow, or just put them on pc, I don't see new Playstation hardware anytime soon. I am impressed and happy with what Sony did with the Pro.

I don't get it.

Nintendo did mid-gen upgrade with New 3DS. And basically every game runs on both aside from Xenoblade Chronicles and SNES virtual console games.

Sony did mid-gen upgrade with PS4 Pro. And every game runs on both.

Microsoft will be doing a mid-gen upgrade with Scorpio.

I don't see the problem here.

If they are doing games for ps4 pro only,.. well they would have to be pretty much retarded, since you would get rid of 40-50 million of this gen ps4 users,.. (provided if multiplat probably 60-70),.. that would make little sense, since they are allready crying, when they don't sell a milion the first week on a market of 60-70 milion users

I totally don't want PS4 pro to have exclusives,.. but do want more old games to be patched,..Cannot wait for Fallout 4 patch

More anti-Sony trash blogs from the garbage Gamingbolt site and Rashid Sayed. Don't waste your time clicking on this trash, you're just supporting a worthless blog site.

For those of us that drop the money for a new console..............we should get something more. We're the ones dropping $400.

I'll never understand where players get in an uproar. PC drops more money.....they get more, no one argues this.

Btw, the CPU is 31% faster on PS4 Pro.

According to Sony, all future games are required to be fully compatible with the PS4. Unless developers want to make extra work for themselves, it would be smart to design games with the PS4 in mind then add graphical improvements for the Pro afterwards. At this point it's highly unlikely the pro will ever catch up to the install base of the original model, so unless developers are economically stupid, the original PS4 should be their first concern anyway.

Typical GamingDOLT article. Next

Sony should just PS Now free for those who subscribe to Plus. That could make up for not having backwards compatibility but Sony to money hungry to give their fan base that type of incentive

are devs simple?

you develop for the ps4, and you offer enhancements for the pro

this is no different than designing a pc game, then offering enhancements/optimizations for a million different configs that are more powerful.

gamingbolt? Im just here for the comments yall, sup?

Oh, Gamingbolt, again. Enough said...

If Scorpio supports VR and XB1 doesnt, AND Scorpio costs as much as people are murmuring about, Scorpio is going to die fast as a niche item. I wonder who the new third wheel will be...Apple? Samsung?

Screw off.

It's pretty sad that people can easily tell what site posted an article based on their headlines.

If I ran a gaming site, I would rather people see it as a good place to get information, and read objective, well written articles and not a joke of a site, know for clickbait and opinion as fact pieces.

I said it also....SOMEONES gotta pay up.

developer?
fanbase?
Sony?

These patches cost money to make....fanbase don't want to pay for it it will just be another form of
DLC (horrible word), Sony don't want to pay for it because then it will open up a pandora box and
all developers will want more money. Developers don't want to pay for it because manpower=$$$$$
same thing goes for the Xbox scorpio.......

Maybe these Vikings devs just suck?

Not sure it will. Developers make a game for the ps4 then they tweak it for the pro, not the other way around. The only really issue with this is most games won't take full advantage of the extra power in the pro. But 1st party games like god of war will push it more.

Is gamingbolt this boring they only keep interviewing a no name dev about BC, gamingbolt thinks backwards lol.

I don't see why this is really an issue; this is no different than tuning a PC game for various platform configurations.

I don't see how it's anywhere near as big of a deal as they are making it to be. It's not backwards compatibility as in 2 completely different versions of the same game. It's just somewhat higher textures and detail of the same exact game on the Pro. PC games have always had to do this all along for many different detail levels. Now PS4 has 2.

I don't care for backwards compatibility myself. I never have,

I love BC on my XB1. I get the opportunity to play the great 360 games i missed first time around.

Sad times for PS4 owners

I imagine over time, games will stutter and have screen tearing on the plain PS4 and the PS4 Pro will be the system where will run good because of the extra power.

I have a feeling that devs will start using the PS4 Pro to power through crappy optimization and the plain PS4 owners will be left with a stuttery mess.

Man, everyone here did exactly what Gamingbolt set out to do: get people to argue with each other while they got that sweet and juicy click bait traffic revenue. Real ethical journalism has died in every way because we cant see past the click bait without being "right" with our last word comments.

This is a problem not only for PS4 but also XboxOne. This mid gen upgrade created this.

That's why Sony dubbed it "Fowards compatibility" ya geniuses. You're supposed to develop for the base PS4 and then scale up, not the other way!

Iteration consoles are BS and unneeded pieces of hardware period. No gaming bolt they dont need to be the "wave of the future" the probelm is the gamers the industry has created over the last 15 years. They seem to think its ok for devs, pubs and now hardware makers to fleece them every chance they get, the more puzzling thing is they take it with a smile. The industry is in trouble its evident with the decline of this years CoD the horrible triple AAA sales numbers for this gen and the broken release, day one patches and flat out lies some others have told or put forth to sell copies. Now Bethesda isnt giving out review copies next it will be EA, Ubisoft and the other good pubs and devs got to crap chasing more and more money.

The gaming bubble is fat and ready to burst and frankly it needs too.

Its simple. You want to reap the benefits of selling games on the PS4 then you make them backwards compatible. When the PRO was announced us gamers were told all games from now on will work on both platforms. Publishers make loads of money on games so go ask them for more funding and staff to implant it.

Its not bc.

That clickbait headline. I'm sure everyone knows by now that all PS4's share the same games since they are all PS4's. Adding the backwards compatibility argument into the discussion is just stupid.

This is going to be more of a problem for the Scorpio and original XBOX One since the power gap there is so much greater.

Gamingbolt being Gamingbolt.

The original PS4 architecture is intact. In several interviews including the Digital foundry interview with Cerny, he said this is not a next gen console the CPU,RAM and GPU are exactly the same.
The one major difference is the addition of a 2nd identical GPU on the same chip that when Pro Enhanced games are being played the two run in tandem. This is similar to AMD's crossfire running dual GPU's
I think we'll have a year or two max with Sony sticking to parity between the two models,but like IPhones eventually you'll have to upgrade.
When that happens the Pro will be the base model and PS5 will be the step up and this cycle will continue as long as we buy in.