Before a lot of idiots start making stupid comments...... First conclude what is next gen.

1) Just because there is ram/cpu/gpu update
2) Just because it plays VR which old version does not
3) Just because it has more power
4) or is it because old games made cannot be played on it anymore? If so why?

When is it called 'Next Gen'. Once you conclude then you can contribute to this article discussion.

Xbox supporters cannot identify the Scorpio as next gen....They see the Scorpio as a last ditch effort to over take the PS4 as this gen's world wide number one console....

"Project Scorpio" is nothing more than a desperate fantasy concocted by Microsoft, in a futile effort to divert attention away from the PS4 Pro. Judging by the great sales of the Pro at its release, the trick failed miserably.

Meanwhile, the "Scorpio" still doesn't exist other than some fantasy specs on paper. What a joke.

Sold and waiting for E3 2017 reveal and Holiday 2017 release and all first party games in true native 4K .

Another entire artless written from a few quotes. This is getting out of hand.

Ha ha, well, glad he didn't need to describe it as a megaflop. Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I don't think it matters whether you want call it next gen or not. It will be the most powerful console at launch by a significant margin.

Definitely next gen. Typical MS shenanigans.

Whichever console does Glasses-free 3D 1080p per eye at 60FPS first gets my money. 4K is meh, prettier 2D picture but ultimately adds nothing new at the end of the day. Im gonna be saving my pennies for a NEW gaming experience.

Would've been a day one buy for me if it had NATIVE BC... Seems like a wasted opportunity.

Teraflop - “Well, I try not to really talk using the term,”

Wasn't that like the only thing you/MS talked about at E3?
Can Scorpio not do 16 bits floating point?

I think they will reveal some time in May 2017 with an event at Microsoft HQ, then go full blow out at E3.

Listen people, I sorta agree with moldy below, and I think both MS and Sony are going to do the following:
- all games releasing on the Pro/Scorpio must be able to run on PS4/X1

Then the actual next gen release, PS5 and X2:
- all games releasing on the PS5/X2 must be able to run on Pro/Scorpio BUT not necessarily on PS4/X1

I am okay with that, I'm now also ok with a 3/4 year half cycle of the gens with mid-gen upgrades like this (I wasn't about 8 months ago!)...

Is it going to be a 60 FPS console or not. There's no point to doing 4K native when you're using dynamic resolutions and 30 FPS trash.

It's a premium Xbox One console spin it all you want Microsoft have made it clear.

It's Phil Spencer, not Phil Collins!!! Ok, but Phil Collins would do an amazing job too, like, with Xbox branded drums all over the place ... drum solo Ts ts ts ts ts tchan: "I can feel it coming in the air of night..."

its scary how desperate Xbox fans are to see Scorpio succeed, without knowing anything about the system except that some guy talking about it and not one official spec to be found. You all know what happen when X360 got released a year ahead of PS3, exactly the same thing its gonna happen to Scorpio, this time in favor to $ony. Just except the fact that M$ lost this battle to $ony. We'll see what happens with the next gen console.

The problem is teraflops (btw article, no such thing as a teraflop, the "s" isn't pluralizing it actually stands for something), anyway teraflops is a horrible way gauge power in these consoles. It's kind of ambiguous. Let me give you an example, the PS4 pro can actually do 8.4 teraflops. Seriously: http://segmentnext.com/2016... But what you get on the screen... you probably wouldn't be impressed.
I think the teraflops line is just the most impressive they could come up with based on the specs they chose.
From digital trends:
"we have seen some GPUs with more teraflops that perform worse than those with fewer TFLOPS. For a general analogy, consider wattage. A floodlight and a spotlight may use same wattage, but they behave in very different ways and have different levels of brightness. Likewise, real-world performance is dependent on things like the structure of the processor, frame buffers, core speed, and other important specifications."
So like I told my ex girlfriend, it's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.

FACT: No Scopio exclusive will ever look as good as Horizon Zero Dawn.

Like ive always said whats the point in having even 20teraflops n being the most powerful console when you have no gamessssss Microsoft, mind you i have a xbox1 and a ps4 and only have the gears series thats about it and my ps4 has over 30 games

He want copy Steve Jobs ahah

It's like a belly flop, but on land?!

Next gen :)) what even does that mean? next gen will be one developer will design a new graphic engine to make a impact just like Crysis did, today we have power but what can we do with it? render at higher resolution for more detail but it's not a completely new experience to the eye like a out of the moon new graphical engine that pushes everything even further.

Phil isn't a System Architect or Software Programmer/Developer, he would obviously get to see games and demos running on various pieces of hardware, but that doesn't mean he understands the intricacies of gaming hardware or how that relates to system output.

A teraflop by itself is pretty meaningless, processing architecture, overall system resources and development tools should be looked at in a holistic way to understand what the amount of flops really means for the platform in question.

Looking at XB1 and the S as the base it would seem simple and easy to just say that Scorpio will have a around a 4.6X boost to visuals or a combo of frame rate improvement, but things could go further than that because Scorpio's memory setup seems more refined, plus gpu architecture is likely newer.
If Microsoft are aiming for solid compatibility with XB1 games then CPU architecture would need to be designed to be able to identically mimic what's in the launch system, unless MS plans to have an emulator built into Scorpio's software.

Anyway I'd expect for 6tflops to mean more than just a 4.6X boost to games compared to the base XB1, 4K should be easy for the games that manage 1080p on the launch XB1, perhaps 900p native titles on XB1 could run at 4K native because Scorpio will have a much larger, fast access frame buffer (hopefully the move from eSRAM/DDR3, to GDDR5 will be an easy programming tweak for devs to overcome to get games to run easily on Scorpio with better settings).

It all depends on what the limiting factors for rendering on XB1 were, games which had dynamic resolutions below 1080p on XB1, but that were gpu limitd should see a straight 4.6X boost if devs are focused on just upping resolutions, if the math doesn't add up then games won't be 4K native on Scorpio.

Scorpio should at least allow for games to range from 1440p to 4K depending on the graphical demand of titles with the same visual settings and smoother frame rates than the launch XB1, if devs want to take their 30fps games on XB1 to 60fps on Scorpio then that means the resolution boost from a 1080p XB1 game wouldn't be able to rise to 4K native, it'd could be 1440p, which would be awesome for a game like Forza Horizon 2 or 3 if devs could add those higher frame rates on console.

We'll see though when Microsoft begins to actual show what the hardware is capable of.

I'm not gonna get excited about it until I can see a physical machine because you can say it'll do this and that but price will be a factor as well as if there will be new games coming out from their division that I WANT to play.

I honestly believe Scorpio is MS just starting next gen and trying to forget the xbone. The Scorpio will have exclusive as they said as did Sony, exlcusives are up to devs and pubs. If Scorpio is as powerful as they say and Sony keeps making missed steps, as they have lately Ill be moving back to xbox.

Guess it takes more than dx12 and the cloud.

Remember those lol.

I just want to see the damn thing and have it's exact specs.

Am I wrong here? I can't possibly reply to everyone in this thread. People keep saying what will they do when the ps5 comes out. Well it seems to me around 3 years from next year ms will follow suit and release its "next-gen" console. My expectations are it will release a new console every 6-7 years and a refresh in the middle from now on.

It's like flop
but on a higher scale like xbox scorpio