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Sony Has A Messaging Problem With The PS4 Pro

The PlayStation 4 Pro is currently doing well, if reports are to be believed. Apparently, the pre-orders for the system are beyond what Sony expected, which seems to indicate that the system is on track to do well. But this is reductive reasoning, and it seems to miss on some very important facts- it misses that no hard numbers have been shared. It misses that strong pre-orders don't necessarily translate into sustained success for products. And it misses that even products that went on to eventually fail, including the Sega 32X, the PlayStation Vita, and the Wii U, saw an incredible uptake in pre-orders, none of which amounted to much once the systems were actually available.

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OB1Biker3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

'reductive reasoning, and it seems to miss'
Seems gamnbolt got a messaging problem. Whats this reductive reasoning they babble about? Voices in
their heads? Good pre order reports imply 'reductive reasoning' now?

MrDead3527d ago

Are you trying to make sense of a clickbait, fanboy stick poking article? Save your brain there is no logic here, it's just a cheap article written specifically for N4G.

Maximus Corruptor3527d ago

I have mine paid for and I can't wIt till the 10th.

Maximus Corruptor3527d ago

I think these opinion pieces need to be reported and should be a forum discussion not a flame bait opinion piece, I'm quite sure that these opinions are surely being influenced by Microsoft PR personnel handing out checks to these sites who at one time were bashing Microsoft's X1 inferior specs and all of a sudden bashing the PS4 which is a quite capable machine for the rumored massiiah machine that is the Scorpio...I mean enough is enough alresdy because there's about five of these opinion pieces coming through a day. Rasheed I see you play into the current flame articles and you should be ashamed of yourself as a so called journalist.

BizarroUltraman3527d ago

Blame Microsoft is the m.o. around here. Lol

Rude-ro3526d ago

Just to clear it up, what bashing articles of the Xbox one? I know there were articles about the differences but those were not bashing articles. In fact, most sites figured out ways to spin it to the positives like how far you have to sit from your tv and how big the tv has to be to notice a difference. Reporting on the comparisons went down, sales reports were three months behind. Etc etc.
I love how you state facts for Microsoft and it bashing, make up rumors, over blow issues, straight up lie about Sony it is called someone's opinion.
This is the negative spin that has been flung around since 2001.

MCTJim3526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

Wow, somehow you turned this into its MS'S fault..good job

subtenko3526d ago

Gaming bolt has an article problem

Nyxus3527d ago

"Will they be willing to spend $400 on a PS4 Pro when a PS4 Slim is much cheaper?"

I don't think it matters to Sony wether you buy a PS4 Slim or a Pro, or wether you have a launch model PS4 or one of the other two models. What matters to them is that you have a PS4. As every console maker, they just want a user base that is as large as possible, so they can sell you games, peripherals and online memberships. That's where the real money comes from. These different models are just to have a wide appeal to different target audiences, thus increasing the overall user base of the PS4.

affrogamer3527d ago

*you smart* (DJ Khaled voice)

joeorc3527d ago

@Nyxus

Exactly a PS4 is a Ps4 to Sony..they all play the very same games and can use the same PS4 peripherals!

Sony just sold a PS4 , it does not matter which one you pick up as long as you pick one up!

NXSwitch3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

If so you among the 40mill that ps4 sold wont be new players that Sony is selling systems too. Say 40 mill Pros get sold, Sony will annouce 80 ps4 sold when how can they say that when its same ppl that bought both the system. Thus it stays at 40m until they can prove new gamers that have yet to even have a ps4 pick it up. What are the 40m already sold ps4 owners going to leave their old system running & turn on the new pro to signal to Sony there are 80m users out there? Lmao!

moegooner883527d ago

^ I want some of whatever he is on

UltraNova3527d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

Todd

At least Sony didnt rush out a 40-50% failure rate console, where people had to constantly buy new consoles to keep their game library, friends, achievements etc and then boast about milions and millions of sales...

Sony will sell the new ps4 to people who actually make the consious decision of buying one.

Get real.

Edit @ sitdown

Why did you react like that when all I did was to mention a fact? Did MS report 2 seperate sales figures last gen(one for brand new xbo360 and one for rrod based double, trible etc sold units)? No they shamelessly boasted about total sales for years.

That said, when i reply, especialy when stating cold facts I dont, I wont add cushioning, I'll just say it like it is and on the same tone used by the person I'm replying to.

Get real as well dude, the world aint that happy danty as you might think.

Utalkin2me3526d ago

@moegooner88

I would actually be scared to take what he is on....

Sitdown3526d ago

@ultranova,
You are just as bad as the person you are responding to. People did not have to constantly keep buying them .Did some? Most likely. But between Microsoft caving in and extending the warranty, you could also get it repaired for cheaper than purchasing a new unit. From one extreme response to another.

andrewsquall3526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

@toddnepeon Sort of like how Xbox 360 boasts around 80 million sales its entire lifetime yet the average user, YOU actually know yourself, has at least 2 to 4 models across fat broken old ones to just replacing that original piece of crap ultimately when the first slim came out. THAT is a pure example of your "Not really a brand new sale" logic that you speak of when the 1st purchased console is literally a brick.

I will be giving my old PS4 to my brother for his house and he will be creating his own brand new PSN account. That is just one way I have an answer for your logic and there wasn't even a single red ring involved ^_^

Death3526d ago

@Ultra,

Why were people rushing out to buy replacement consoles when they had a 3 year warranty on the one they bought? Do software sales support your argument? I think the best way to gauge "real" sales are by looking at software sales. I don't think people were buying two or three copies of the same games to play on their broken consoles.

@Todd,

Gamers will trade their PS4's in towards Pros. Those are then resold which builds the user base. Same happened last gen with 360's that were refurbished.

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MasterCornholio3527d ago

Sony did say the Pro is just another PS4. So if you buy the Pro or the Slim it's just another PS4 sale for them.

NXSwitch3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

Wrong Jabroni! Selling to the same person don't count as new sales as when a game comes out for it the numbers won't hold truth to how many are actually out there.

joeorc3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

@toddnepeon5m ago(Edited 3m ago)
[If so you among the 40mill that ps4 sold wont be new players that Sony is selling systems too. Say 40 mill Pros get sold, Sony will annouce 80 ps4 sold when how can they say that when its same ppl that bought both the system. Thus it stays at 40m until they can prove new gamers that have yet to even have a ps4 pick it up. ]

Omfg, can you not use any of your common freaking sense?

Sony ships systems to stores..if they order PS4Pro's and one of them sell to a consumer..that store is what?..not going to order anymore, if it sold another unit?

Restock & Reorders
Notice this:

Xbox one S
What's the next one going to be called Xbox Scorpio? Is it still a Xbox one ?
Are Microsoft going to call the Retail Unit a Xbox one ______something?

With Sony we already know the Answer..

A PS4Pro is still a PS4..how do we know that simple 👉PS4👈 @ added the Pro on the freaking End.

To Sony , the launch PS4, The PS4 Slim, The PS4Pro are all PS4's!

joeorc3527d ago

@toddnepeon13m ago(Edited 12m ago)
[Wrong Jabroni! Selling to the same person don't count as new sales as when a game comes out for it the numbers won't hold truth to how many are actually out there]

So if you have 4 people in your house hold and each person have their very own account and log in on the same PS4 or xbox one for a few hours a day does that count as only one User or does that count as 4 separate user accounts?

Just because a person buys more than one console does not negate another console sale..if you purchase one Xbox one and one PS4 that counts as two separate system sales Right?

Rude-ro3526d ago

@toddnepeon
I would just go ahead and let go of that goal post. Not many will jump on this idiotic war cry.
Just put your same thought process on the Xbox one s and then you have to go talk to npd and ask them to adjust their numbers because a lot of those sales were from people who owned an Xbox one. You can tell because the software available like forza actually did worse than the previous iteration meaning they were rebuys more than new consumers.

Fist4achin3526d ago

Last generation, both PS and Xbox released 3 versions of their consoles and I believe they all were counted and included as 360 and ps3 sales overall.

@toddnepeon
It wouldn't matter if someone had a console crap out and bought another. A sale is a sale.

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morganfell3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

"Will they be willing to spend $400 on a PS4 Pro when a PS4 Slim is much cheaper?"

I didn't click on this trash but did these idiots really ask that question? Go to any site with sales tracking. What is the result? There, stupid question answered.

Errorist763526d ago

50 bucks...it's 50 bucks cheaper for a 1TB model!

donthate3527d ago

Actually, Sony probably prefers you to buy a PS4 Slim over a PS4 Pro, because Sony likelymakes a profit off each PS4 slim sold, but not on PS4 Pro. On top of this, if youbuy a PS4 Slim, there is a chance you will later upgrade to PS4 Pro, which at that time they likelyl will have a profit on that too.

starsi3603527d ago

One of the most sensible comments I've seen on N4G. Totally on the mark.

The reasoning can also be applied to when people say "why are MS releasing their games on PC, they'll sell less Xbox consoles!!" - they don't care whether you're playing the games on a PC or an Xbox... just that you're playing those games!

It's not a console war, it's a brand and ecosystem war!

Errorist763526d ago

How is 50 bucks much cheaper anyway?!

jznrpg3526d ago

100$ isnt much cheaper either, thats less than 2 games, or 2 games if you preorder on amazon prime witht he 20% discount. Also you get a lot for that 100 extra dollars in terms of power.

jznrpg3526d ago

@sitdown I bought 5 between myself and my son. After all that they didn't support the 360 for the last couple of years and thats when I started gaming only on my ps3 and carried over to this generation. I used to buy every console since atari2600 days, I have Turbogragx16, Colecovision even the 3d0 and pos atari jaguar, but after all those blunders MS pissed me off the most and I wont go back , sticking with Nintendo and Sony unless Sega comes back someday.

TruM06073526d ago

Which is y MS is brilliant for putting their exclusives on Win. 10 pc. They went from about 30 mil. Xbox on user base to over hundreds of millions of potential players to buy their games on Xbox and Win. 10 abosoluty brilliant. They know how to make that money.

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spanner3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

Shit pre-orders must be the way to go then lol
Reading the article has given me a headache 😄 load of drivel

Tussin1873526d ago

Yes it was. I really hope the Scorpio gets this many articles. How is it going to be any different for them?

Well, since it's a new start for them, they are going to treat it as the start if a new gen. How they're going to show off HDR and 4k is still up in the air unless they deliver a 4k TV to everyone's home. One thing I know, is that it won't get this many hate articles.

The Pro comes out next week yet it seems that the Scorpio is as much as we hear about it. And the only thing we know is 2 numbers . The Tflops and bandwidth. No games, no system, and no idea of what's really inside the thing. Its amazing. Well I can't wait until next week.

Whirlwind_Fanfare_083527d ago

Really Gamingbolt, this article is straight-up pitiful. Do some real ones for once!

2pacalypsenow3527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

I agree there are still tons of people who think the Pro has the same specs as the Xbox one S and that it doesn't do native 4k at all, Sony and the media have done a terrible job of giving out clear information, hell even articles on N4G here are filled with misinformation.

Destiny10803527d ago (Edited 3527d ago )

there called casuals, they will be forever in the dark, this is a professional product for the professional gamer no casuals aloud

sony has done a terrible job, but the word will spread, games will be played and ill be playing gran turismo day one in vr

Rude-ro3526d ago

The media. Not Sony. Sony has put out their information. Put out gameplay. Showed off the actual hardware. Specs. But sites like this immediately has downplayed the abilities of the pro since day one. Comparing it to "6tflops" from a company that has not made a new AAA exclusive in over 6 years.

2pacalypsenow3526d ago (Edited 3526d ago )

It falls on Sony too, they have never came out and said "Yes the Ps4 Pro Will have Native 4k games" all they talk about it "checkerboard rendering" and "Near 4k" cuaisng all these stupid websites to create conclusions and misinform people. They need to be more clear on the subject.

iceman063526d ago

I think that what you are missing is the target audience for the Pro. It's not meant to be a mass market juggernaut. It's aimed at US...the forum commenting, article reading core who want the newest, most advanced hardware that Sony can offer. So, whether it be checkerboard or native, if you want Sony...you are going to get a Pro or at very least keep your PS4. Looking at their projections, they don't expect more than 2 million Pro sales by the end of their fiscal year. (I'd be surprised if they don't meet that) Besides, no matter how clear they are, websites will attempt to skew and muck up anything for hits. That's not just a Sony thing, either. That's a clickbait thing.

iTechHeads3526d ago

Who the hell thinks that? Xbox fanboys? As if they are even willing to accept reality.

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Playstation Plus Monthly Games for May: EA Sports FC 26, Wuchang: Fallen Feathers, Nine Sols

All available May 5.

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FPSRUSSIA60d ago

What's Point in commenting your basicly closing down the site.

LiViNgLeGaCY60d ago

I'm surprised it's still the old site. I thought he said starting today?

Eonjay60d ago

Its like the final episode of the Sapranos. You gonna go to make a comment and when you click add th-

Profchaos60d ago

Timezone thing maybe.... RIP

darthv7260d ago

Insert the Ferris Bueller end scene... "You're still here? It's over.."

LiViNgLeGaCY60d ago

I think the only game here for me is Nine Sols. Was always interested in that game.

TheColbertinator60d ago

Glad I don't buy FIFA games anymore

Rebel_Scum60d ago

Hey now! Thats a great month.

Nacho_Z60d ago

Good month for me, I wanted that particular footy game and thought it might be due. Anyway who cares, shame about the site I'll miss the comment sections. All the best everyone.

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Naughty Dog Was Reportedly Divided On Joel's Controversial Fate During Development Of TLOU Part 2

Naughty Dog was reportedly divided on the controversial fate of Joel in The Last of Us Part 2 during the game's development.

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SimpleDad61d ago

NO, that can't be... No! I can't... Really?/s

Cacabunga61d ago

They for sure chose the worst way to deal with it

-Foxtrot60d ago

Funny considering Bruce left half way through development and now we get told there was an internal conflict with the story direction.

Makes you think…

HectixRose61d ago

I think it was good decision, if he was still alive, he would have been a mascot just like Kratos, drake and many others. These old dudes gotta die for new characters to take center stage with their own storyline. They keep dragging the emotional baggage into many sequels and eventually the story just turns into absolute shit show.

JEECE61d ago

It was ironic because people complained heavily about the story in the Uncharted games not having sufficient stakes because all the key characters always survived, despite the dangerous situations they were always in. Then ND killed a character in a more serious series and everyone lost their minds. Just shows that people don't always really want the thing they say they want.

CantThinkOfAUsername60d ago

I thought the more common complaint about Uncharted franchise was how the main cast are the good guys acting so nonchalantly while killing hundreds in cold blood (aka the dissonance between gameplay and story cutscenes). They just did it again in Part II.

Soy61d ago

Didn't have to kill him. Just have them part ways or Joel can "retire," whatever.

DarXyde60d ago

I don't think he would necessarily need to become a mascot (and besides, technically, I'd say Ellie is... So regardless, someone was going to be).

From a narrative perspective, I do think it has a similar effect to Ricky dying in Boyz N Da Hood: very likeable character, and you're really motivated to see the get back—in this case, it's more intense because it's an interactive experience. Most people hated Abby, but I get what they were after with portraying the cycle of violence and revenge—unfortunately, the game appears to want to take the side of the bad people.

But I will say that if Joel survived, it does become harder to tell an interesting story. What COULD have happened is an exploration into the rift between Joel and Ellie after the trolley dilemma events of the first game. It could have been interesting to see Abby out for revenge at the same time Ellie hated Joel.

Ashunderfire8660d ago

Sorry just had to say this lol! RICKYYYY!

Man Cuba Gooding Jr was miscast in that movie, but that part was cringey it was sad and funny at the same time man.

Ashunderfire8660d ago (Edited 60d ago )

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.

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InUrFoxHole61d ago

The only ND game that was so disappointing to me I couldn't finish it.

pwnmaster300061d ago

Honestly as much as I loved the game, they could have just not killed him off.
I get it creator vision and all but killing a character that made you millions is just wrong imo. At least have him go down fighting.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot61d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle61d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7760d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments