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Inside the PlayStation 4 Pro with Mark Cerny

Roughly three years after launching the PlayStation 4, Sony is week away from releasing a bigger, better version: the PlayStation 4 Pro.

Despite a summer (and then some) full of leaks and speculation, Sony waited until last month to publicly unveil the Pro in New York. Even then, technical details about the console were sparse; this week, system architect Mark Cerny told Gamasutra and other members of the press that since New York he’s been waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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naruga3513d ago (Edited 3513d ago )

of course PS4 Pro can produce that much of a power ...would be stupidly retarded for Sony to not be a match for X-Scorpio and play the underdog role like Nintendo...what i see is that Scorpio will exceed PS4 Pro visuals only in its exclusives and there not significantly ...

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Red_Renegade3513d ago

none of you guys have any clue what you're talking about.

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bouzebbal3513d ago

Sony and Nintendo are doing gaming the right way.
Some other company has nothing but words to feed their most loyal sheep.

nix3513d ago

All these Xboxers defending MS n going jingoistic. Poor souls don't even know that MS has left this generation because they've been beaten up black and blue.

The Scorpio was just a desperate move back at E3 clearly shown by the video which showed nothing. People are going to invest in Switch when it comes out because that's the second console one can have because most "exclusives" are anyways going to turn up on Steam after the poor sale on W10 store.

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Gazondaily3513d ago (Edited 3513d ago )

Well they started the whole mid gen upgrade thing. Their philosophy is no different from Microsoft I imagine but they just have weaker hardware.

morganfell3513d ago

They have the Hardware...in hand. Now. Some people though...

http://n4g.com/news/1974401...

Fatal-Aim3512d ago

The only one that doesn't believe in it or is pretending to not care about generation cycles is Microsoft because they are getting their butt kicked. So to divert from the thought, they tell you generations don't matter anymore. Its typical marketing.

DeadlyFire3512d ago

This is part of AMD Polaris tech they claim I believe. This is just a way to keep Pro in the ballpark of 4K rendering with mixing checkerboard rendering and this into it. Its a measure to ensure they are not left to far behind and hang onto the market until PS5 comes along.

While Microsoft claims 6 Tflops they could be using an estimation. As the hardware is not final just yet. It could reach just below that and they could still claim 6 Tflops. Worst case scenario Xbox still has the higher number even if it were 5.5/11 Tflops.

@Never4get
Switch is only capable of 1 - 2 Tflops max if its using base low power components at 16 FP. Its basic math 16 fp is double 32 FP performance output as less GPU cores are used at the same time with 16 FP.

freshslicepizza3512d ago

of course they still believe in console generations, their number one goal is to sell hardware and with playstation now festering in the background it is clear sony doesn't want to rock the boat. the ps4 pro will be a big success so expect these mid-term consoles each generation too.

uth113512d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

That 16-bit half float trick Cerny talked about is is a next gen AMD feature. Not sure if nVidia GPUs have it

Kingthrash3603512d ago

I'm convinced that xbox fanboys are lying to themselves at this point. Nobody is a fan a of system and is this misinformed about it.

jlove4life3512d ago

Why is he getting so many disagrees its 40 million plus vanilla ps4's out you think 3rd party devs going to alienate PlayStation player base for scorpio small group yeah right keep dreaming though actuality PlayStation can coast off ps4 regular and ps4 pro and a yr or 2 by 2020 release ps 5 microsoft will forever try to catch PlayStation unless PlayStation pull a x1 and piss off consumers but with sony relying on PlayStation dont see that ever happening #facts

lastking953512d ago

Never seen so much denial in my life lol. You ppl got it bad. Reap what you sow

sammarshall1023512d ago

Looking at what Microsoft achieved with 1 tflop in Gears 4, Horizon 3 and the rest of their X1 titles, they're going to create amazing games with 6 tflops

Kingthrash3603512d ago

You can say the same about the ps4 tho right?

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-Foxtrot3513d ago

Yeah. Hopefully this means the PS5 will be after the Pro

darthv723513d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

The PS5 will be perfectly timed for their next portable and console entries. So maybe... just maybe sony will build a hybrid as well?

Except unlike the switch, the docking station will contain some extra power to make for true 4k and enhanced vr.

When the PS5 is undocked, all the games will run 1080p 60fps no questions asked.

@EDMIX, when Sony added tv out to the PSP 2000 it was done as an afterthought. Yet when they revised the PSP Go and designed it to support docking and real controllers it showed a hint of what could be. Well before intendo and the Switch. It showed there could be a point where console and portable would be one and the same.

now back then the specs werent what they needed to be in order to deliver a full console experience but those days have changed. Sony has the know how, the technical skills and especially the developers to make something like this a reality and do it way better than Nintendo. I kept hoping sony would revisit their attempt and make something even better and rather than split the gaming base between portable and console they can serve both with one fully packed and powerful unit.

Be the market leader to both fronts instead of just one.

_-EDMIX-_3513d ago

@darth- Sony already did PSP 2000 and 3000 as well as the PSP Go so why would they do that again?

I mean sure for the next handheld but I don't see PlayStation 5 being that considering their market leader

bouzebbal3513d ago

yes, 2 years from now i think. Together with PSVR2 if VR1 becomes something.

DeadlyFire3512d ago

AMD Already confirmed AMD Zen APUs will be 'console ready for development' by 2018/2019 for Sony/Microsoft.

AMD Zen CPU cores will be vastly more power on the CPU side compared to AMD Jaguar cores in the XB Scorpio and PS4 Pro.

Tapani3512d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

@darthv72

Why would Sony create a hybrid in 2020 or so when you have 5G available and you can finally start streaming PS Now (including now PS4, PS3, PS2, PSX + Vue) with PS5?

They are extremely smart in creating the PS Now infrastructure, well, now. It is truly going to shine with 5G. A true digital service with everything Playstation streaming to any of your devices. Home experience uncompromised with 4K/8K HDR screen and a full-on customized box with latest tech. All in one ecosystem, including exclusives and an affordable price.

Zarock3512d ago

PS5 will be Sony's answer to the Xbox Scorpio!! It will knock the shit out of It.

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S2Killinit3513d ago

Good to hear. Sony consoles are the best electronic investment I have made in the pst, and i wiuld like them to continue the tradition.

Mystogan3513d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

So they still believe in starting from scratch with your games library and buying all new accessories?
There is LITERALLY no benefit to console generations for gamers, it only benefits the companies cuz you have to buy all new games and your accessories. People need to get over it. Its a thing of the past. There is no reason anymore that my current game or controller can't work with my new console. Its already pretty appalling that my 360 controller doesn't work with my xbox one, even though it uses USB and works with Windows PC's. Good thing that wont be the case going forward with Xbox.

If they want to lose the PS5 vs Xbox 5 war, this is exactly how they will lose that war. People will be more likely to buy an Xbox 5 because all their games and controllers will just work.

@below.
If it can play old games and controllers. Then its not the traditional console generation.

TheColbertinator3513d ago

Xbox 5?

And of course people will buy a new console even if it cant play the old games. I bought an Xbox 1 shortly after launch to play new games not 360 games. It was two years before Microsoft announced BC anyway.

Also who knows what will happen next gen anyway. No one saw the Wii winning 7th gen and not everyone expected the PS4 winning this gen after Microsoft did so well last gen.

I call for "wait and see"

iceman063513d ago

As long as they stick with the architecture of the PS4, which is likely, they won't have the same problems with BC as they had with the PS3. So, "starting over" becomes a non-issue. New games will be made for the new console, just like new games would be made for upgraded hardware. Controllers will advance and change so, at some point, most of us would be upgrading to those anyway. Especially if there are new features on it that games would take advantage of. All in all, whatever the cycle is (whether it's continuous or generational) won't really change too much. As long as the consoles don't radically change architectures.
IMO, the biggest difference will be the hype and spectacle surrounding them. Console launches are traditionally very eventful. They are like a shot of adrenaline to both sides of the industry, gamers and publishers alike. That part might be missed with a continuous cycle. Unless, of course, the new consoles actually have exclusive games. In which case, that would pretty much be similar to generational launches that kept BC as an option.

G20WLY3513d ago

"buying all new accessories" - what, like the Move controllers? Oh wait, they're still being used in conjunction with cutting edge technology 2 generations apart. Nice try, Mystogan, but sadly...bad troll failed. :(

OB1Biker3512d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

its can have the best of both approach. The main point and interest of a real new gen is to have new gen only games that actually use the full potential of the console and not only play old gen games. Still doesnt mean it cant play old games AS WELL.. I m sure the PSVR will work on the PS5 too.
Point is there is more incentive to buy a new gen console if you cant play true new games on old consoles. You can have all the power you want on a new model but power is about pointless if not used to its full potential. At some point, better graphics and performance is not enough and many gamers would still be playing on PS3/xbox 360 if they could play the same games.

ShottyatLaw3512d ago

Not sure why you got all of those disagrees. The best feature of PC gaming is the limitless compatibility. I hope Sony and MS shift away from this walled-garden approach.

I'd gladly lose rumble triggers or a touch pad in order to use my drawer full of 360 and PS3 controllers. I'd also skip 95% of the indie titles flooding the market to play a last gen AAA I might have missed on PS3 or 360. I shouldn't need multiple consoles to enjoy a company's library of software or peripherals in 2016.

Eventually games won't run on the new systems. That's fine. No different than eventually needing a new graphics card. But at least my steam library doesn't get wiped out whenever I upgrade.

rainslacker3512d ago (Edited 3512d ago )

Given that the changes between gens aren't so vast anymore, and that there aren't significant changes to input and whatnot, I actually kind of agree with this. At least the first couple sentences.

In the past, the generational changes had enough differences in the actual computing tech to warrant leaving the old behind. But nowadays, the whole premise of new generations of gaming is just throwing more power at it. There is very little logical reason to move into new architectures, when one consistent architecture is more than capable of providing what games need to deliver.

We've just reached a point where games have plateaued, and until the next step is needed, there is no real reason to shake things up beyond the power requirement.

I don't know if I would take Cerny's comment as saying that BC isn't necessary, or that accessories need to be abandoned in a new gen though. I think he was just speaking more from a technical point of view, where a new generation can indeed bring in some sort of new thing on the architecture side which would be beneficial for gaming advancement. There is nothing to say that the base architecture needs to be changed though.

Cerny is more a hardware guy. He doesn't seem to spend much time talking about the actual effects it has on consumers.

I don't know what next gen holds in terms of technology, although he might, but likely it's just going to be more power. removing accessories or libraries would benefit the hardware and software makers, but I think that even Sony is more interested in moving forward with a standard architecture so they can not have to design something new each time. It reduces their costs, and it makes them more nimble to provide upgrades allowing companies like AMD or NVidia to do most of the R&D into new computing tech advances.

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miyamoto3512d ago

Great interview.
He is working on Death Stranding and other PS4 exclusives.

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Relientk773513d ago

Good, looking forward to PS5

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PhoenixUp3513d ago

There logically always has to be a new console generation sometime in the future. You can't iterate on the same console 4ever

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma38d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay38d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran838d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger38d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl38d ago (Edited 38d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2338d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay39d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn240d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn239d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown40d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay39d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay39d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac39d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger40d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300040d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde40d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde39d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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