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Why Can’t Nintendo Ever Transition Properly Between Consoles?

Alex S. from Link-Cable writes: "Nintendo fans, we’ve been through this before. As the company ends support for one console to make room for their next machine they just cant ever seem to make that transition a smooth one. Software droughts, lack of updates and third parties passing over the exiting system seem to be par for the course when it comes to the end of life for a Nintendo branded console. So why can’t they get it right? What makes it so hard for them to pass the baton between generations? Well that’s exactly what I want to look into."

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PhoenixUp3515d ago (Edited 3515d ago )

Nintendo seemingly abandoning the Wii U this holiday season marks one of the worst console transitions in years, only coming ahead of the transition between Saturn and Dreamcast

At least all of Sony's consoles continue to receive a ton of support going into the the year their successors launch and even many years after which leads into an entire decade of support. Even Microsoft is catching onto to that decade long support.

With Wii U Nintendo is not only putting in as least amount of effort into this holiday season as possible. They aren't even doing anything like price drops, releasing models with bigger internal storage, new bundles, or even releasing GOTY versions of Mario Kart 8 or Super Smash Bros 4 with all the DLC included. They even delayed the Wii U version of LoZ: BotW just so they could feel like second class citizens when it releases alongside the NX version.

pcz3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

Nintendo have no respect for their customers.

After some forty years in the console business you would think they would be experts at this by now. Instead they are proving to be incompetent.

Nintendo are simply out of their depth

bouzebbal3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

@pcz: lol what we shouldn't be hearing -_-´

As far as games are concerned, and that is the only thing i care about, they always transitioned the right way.
sales wise is another story, but that's not what i worry most about as a gamer.
the magic in their games remains unmatched.

hiredhelp3514d ago

No disrespect but if they where out of there depth why they still going holding there own.

SgtPepper18063514d ago

What annoys me is the free pass Nintendo get. As a Wii U owner Nintendo have quite frankly treated me like shit. I haven't bought a new game for the console since Super Mario Maker over a year ago. If Microsoft or Sony presided over such a dirth of games for such a long time they'd get so much shit they'd be kicked from the console business. But Nintendo get away with it? That's bullshit right there.

InTheZoneAC3514d ago

Nintendo IS*

not Nintendo ARE

Wallstreet373514d ago

Abzdiine...

Magic in their games unmatched? Speak for yourself because many of us don't feel that way. For me that magic left years ago and I don't consider relying on sequels and tailoring them off the last and not shaking things up "magic", it's just playing it safe.

Do they have decent to good games? Yes but then all the console companies do. And Nintendo admittengly themselves stated they had issues with the transition to HD because they were so far behind and not use to developing for an HD console.

Nintendo gets no free passes from me, that boat sailed long ago.

lalalala3513d ago

I agree with SgtPepper, there's a lot of nostalgia in the game industry because those that are the journalists used to own NES, SNES, N64 etc and remember that at that point, Nintendo was a good console maker, but that's because they didn't have much competition. Microsoft and Sony are leagues ahead of Sega in those days, and gamers nowadays aren't content with the same Mario shell with a different skin on it every 3 months!

It is mind-boggling that they get a free pass for basically providing no games for their users. I thought MS was bad with their transitions, but Nintendo is easily the worst.

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LAWSON723514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

What is the point in a price drop, if they dropped the Wii U to $200 and did good bundles do you think people would quickly rush to buy a NX within the next year.

They need all eyes focused on this new project, the Wii U failed there is no reason to increase its appeal at this point it would just help doom NX.

Pushing out the Wii U with great support at the end at this point would probably do more harm than good.

nitus103514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

For someone that has owned and played games on the NES through to and including the Gamecube, the final turning point for me was the Wii which was standard definition when all the other consoles supported high definition and had allot of third party support.

Along came the WiiU a year before the release of the PS4 and the XB1 and while it supported high definition there were not many games on it that I was interested in and don't get me started on that controller. Sigh! Well, I skipped that too.

Now comes the so-called NX which is supposed to be a cross between a handheld and a console. I will reserve judgement but so far I have not been overly enthused. If other people are enthusiastic about the NX then good for them I really do hope they enjoy it when it finally releases but I am afraid that I will stick with my PS4 and my PC.

rjason123514d ago

They do it for handhelds though lol. I agree though.

gbsrnctaln3514d ago

Nintento *gets*.

Not Nintendo get.

Lol

wonderfulmonkeyman3514d ago

So you'd rather they continue focusing development resources on the Wii U when the NX needs them more...
Do you WANT the NX to fail?

_-EDMIX-_3514d ago

I see... I thought Nintendo wasn't going to abandon the Wii U?

Wasn't it you that stated that Zelda U would not come to the NX and that Nintendo would merely make a ground-up Zelda title for NX instead? Yet here we are with the next Zelda coming to both platforms leaving the Wii U with a zero Zelda exclusives.

Now suddenly, NX "needs them more".

Buddy you only form your narrative based on with Nintendo does, every single time people begin proposing what they might do , you're against them and all of a sudden when Nintendo reveals what they're doing you flip flop and try to make it sound as if you always believed it was a great idea.

Please. Give it a rest.

Sony has always duel supported their platforms for a few years, as you got Gran Turismo 6 the year PlayStation 4 released, LBP3 too , you got God of War 2 The Years PlayStation 3 was already out etc

If Nintendo had enough Studios they very much could support multiple platforms but they essentially choose to not spend their money to purchase multiple Studios for such situations.

PhoenixUp3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

@ Lawson

No the Wii U is still $300 new and has remained as such since it launched. Garnering more sales for Wii U would only benefit Nintendo.

Enough with the damage control. Releasing a new product is no justification to completely abandon the previous one. NES still got a lot of sales and games going into the SNES's launch and afterwards yet the SNES was successful. SNES garnered sales and games going into the N64's launch and afterwards yet the N64 was still moderately successful. The PS1 still received a lot of sales and games going into the PS2's launch and afterwards yet PS2 was still successful. The GBC still received a lot of sales and games going into the GBA's launch and afterwards yet GBA still proved succsful. The GBA still received a lot of sales and games going into the DS's launch and afterwards yet the DS still proved to be successful. The PS2 still received a lot of sales and games going into the PS3's launch and afterwards yet PS3 still proved to be successful. The PS3 still received a lot of games and sales going into the PS4's launch and afterwards yet the PS4 still proved to be successful.

We have seen countless times in history where the previous product doesn't get flat out abandoned like Wii U and still gets support while its successor hits the market and the successor still receives a lot of success.

Pushing the Wii U with terrible support just harms Nintendo since its lowers the consumer's faith in them for the long term. With a PlayStation and now an Xbox console you know you will get a long term support for that product so a consumer is more likely to buy it. With a Nintendo console the consumer sees a pattern where the console only receives short term support so they are less likely to purchase the console.

@ wonder

I'd rather Nintendo not completely abandon Wii U. You can just look at how NES, SNES, PS1, GBC, GBA, PS2, DS, PS3, & 360 didn't get instantly abandoned when their successors were released and all of those platforms' respective successors went on to be incredibly successful.

Saying you think NX would fail if Wii U were to follow this trend is just pure damage control.

-Foxtrot3514d ago

They never can just build upon what the previous console is

Take the controller for example, something I've mentioned a hundred times.

You had this...

https://upload.wikimedia.or...

Wasn't perfect but you could have improved on it. However instead of this...

http://wiiudaily.com/wp-con...

We get this

https://images-na.ssl-image...

and this

http://i64.photobucket.com/...

Then we get this

http://brutalgamer.com/wp-c...

I just don't get them. Sony and MS improved on what they had both in controllers, games and hardware while Nintendo just prods along with their heads in the cloud.

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freshslicepizza3514d ago

correct. and as long as nintendo keeps making money they won't change. they know their first party games can sell consoles but even they are not totally ignorant to how poorly the wii u was recieved. they will try and fix some of that on the nx but it wont help them ever get back to being a direct competitor because third party wont treat them as equals until the nx sells enough units, which measns we have a catch 22. people want games but until it sells it wont get those games. when the ps5 launches third party are already going to support it before it launches. that isn't happeing as much on the nx. nintendo needs to prove it can sell first.

gbsrnctaln3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

If NX is indeed a handheld that outs to the TV, with it's core franchise continuing the path of catering more and more to casuals, I expect it to do worse than the WiiU. The gimmick crowd is going to FLOCK to PSVR (not saying that it's a gimmick) and with it coming out before Christmas, they will have had their fill of gaming away from their phones long enough to not even notice the NX. And the hardcore and core audience will be widdled even further down from the WiiU experience and the fact that this will be the furthest from a traditional console they have ever released.

freshslicepizza3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

Will gamers continue to pay for features they don't use or want? The Wii U pad was an added expense, the Kinect camera was as well on the Xbox One, will the NX have additional costs added to the hardware so it can be done sort of hybrid system? I just want a regular console but Nintendo feels they have to go a different path. Which of course explains why third party continues to ignore them.

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Mrveryodd3514d ago

far to many old men in charge of a company that caters for the young of heart IMO

sk8ofmnd3514d ago

Dude upvote for the best comment of the article. When will we get some young blood in the ninty office! The elders 😹 at ninty are going to hold on to their jobs and it seems we would have to pry it from only their dead old fingers.

AKR3514d ago

Well, they have been trying to get younger minds at the front lines. For instance, Miyamoto stated a while back that Splatoon is a product of many young developers. Seeing that it was so successful, I think we should expect to see more projects from younger crews.

Hoffmann3514d ago

Why are so many gamers still taking the bs from Nintendo and buy their consoles for those handful good Nintendo games? There are a lot and better alternate games everywhere else.

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Ristul3514d ago

I like Nintendo's first party games, but in the last generation they have started falling behind, people talk about Nintendo having the best first party games but I don't see it much anymore. Maybe that was true in the past, but the last couple of years?

Granted, could be that Nintendo held back on the heavy hitters since Wii U is low on sales, but I feel Nintendo has a lot to prove with the NX in terms of quality games.

deafdani3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

Take a look at this article and tell me, again, that Nintendo isn't still the best when it comes to first party games.

http://www.geekwire.com/201...

Granted, that article was published back in March, but since then, the only notable exclusives from Sony have been Uncharted 4 and Ratchet and Clank, and Microsoft has only released Forza Horizon 3. Which means that, even though Nintendo has pretty much abandoned the Wii U for a year and half now, it STILL has almost twice as many quality exclusives as the other two consoles combined.

Maybe your claim would be correct in the sense that Nintendo isn't making anything nowadays for the Wii U (and haven't been for a while, and that's true), but overall, they still have the most quality exclusives this gen, and that's a fact.

Ristul3514d ago

deafdani: You say it's fact, I say it's a subjective opinion. You mentioned games like Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank and Horizon 3, games that are all quality titles. Then there is Gears of War 4 and The Last Guardian coming soon, not to speak of all the third party games that also rival Nintendo's own games in terms of quality.

Now I'm not saying Nintendo is doomed, Breath of the Wild looks like big step in the right direction, I just hope they can keep the momentum going with the NX. Wii U was a dissapointment for all but the diehard Nintendo fans.

deafdani3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

How do you dismiss this as just opinion when it's based on numbers? Sheesh.

FACT is, Nintendo has output more high quality games than Sony and Microsoft combined so far. You just need to go to Metacritic to do the tally, which is what this article did.

Of course, the "greatness" of any given game is opinion, I won't argue with you on that... but it's a FACT that according to most critics, Nintendo has put out more good games than the any other game company this gen, far more. It's not anywhere close.

Yup, there's Gears and Last Guardian coming soon, not to mention other games in the future like Death Stranding and Horizon and whatnot... but all of these are exactly that, in the future. And even with all these released, both Sony and Microsoft will have their work cut for them if they want to surpass Nintendo in terms of pure numbers of exclusive quality games.

And Nintendo did this while also outputting even more games for their 3DS than they did for Wii U. This shows that they are, in fact, the most prolific game publisher out there.

Ristul3513d ago (Edited 3513d ago )

Super Mario 3D World is at number one, but that is comparing only first party games (old list) and this is why you should never just look at a metacritic score. Comparing that type of (somewhat simple) game with high production value games such as Witcher 3, Uncharted 4 or Grad Theft Auto 5 is an insult. Also, some of those games are not developed by Nintendo, Bajonetta for example. We are talking about Nintendo vs other developers here, not some third party exclusive deals they made.

Third party developers are releasing higher rated games then Nintendo right now, and that list you linked to is old, Sony and Microsoft (and other third party developers) have released higher rated games after that. http://www.metacritic.com/b...

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EddieNX 3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

There's good games everywhere else yes, but the fact is Nintendo still has arguably the best games. I don't envy any gamer that has missed out on the best the 3DS and WiiU have to offer, i'll tell you now they're just as good as whats on other consoles.

Hoffmann3514d ago

The best games?

It has the best kart racer..yes. But are the best fighting games, rpg's, s-rpg's, racing games that are not kart racers, action games, fps, warriors games on Nintendo's consoles?

Your name says it all already but come on..if you think that Nintendo still has the best games you life in the past. A past that changed in 1994 already.

EddieNX 3514d ago (Edited 3514d ago )

You're wrong you just don't know it. Smash bros is the best fighting game by a million miles and Xenoblade X is the best RPG. I play games on other consoles, multiplats so how am I missing out? it's you who's missed out on Nintendo's games. The End.

I've played the games on XB1 and Ps4 abd on WiiU and 3DS. You clearly haven't played the Wiiu or 3DS rendering your opinion irrelevant...

Ol_G3514d ago

Ugh no just no there is nothing on rival consoles that compares to nintendo's output.
You may not like it but for people who like those games there is no alternate everywhere else

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dparente743514d ago

Nintendos biggest problem is it doesnt want to accept the reality of todays gamer. They have a horrible online store. the systems all have horrible storage space. DLC is sparce. they want to make games like its still 1988.I love me a few Nintendo franchises. I still hope for an HD remaster and redo ogf the control scheme of Metriod prime trilogy. Zelda is always great. but if you arent into the kiddy stuff like Mario they really dont have alot to offer todays gamer. It really is criminal.

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Nintendo wants to avoid Switch 2 scalping by making enough for demand

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ZycoFox687d ago

Probably be using 3+ year old chips by the time it launches

Tacoboto686d ago

The 2017 Switch is based on the 2015 Tegra X1 so even if Nintendo is using technology from 2022, that alone still represents a significant improvement.

Outside_ofthe_Box686d ago

How many decades has it been since Nintendo consoles been about power?

Inverno686d ago

Should open pre-orders through the E-shop for a period before making it available through stores. And now that COVID is out the way, you can make in store preorders mandatory too. People interested wouldn't have much of an issue driving by if it meant keeping scalpers at bay for a bit.

CrimsonWing69686d ago

I mean, the problem is these a-holes have bots that eat up every sites inventory. Then they sell it on eBay for stupid prices. No matter what you try to do we’re still going to have to fight through these human pieces of sh*t to get these damn consoles at launch.

phoenixwing686d ago (Edited 686d ago )

Well I'll either see if I can get one online against bots or wait till they're saturated and buy in a brick and morter store. Waiting isn't an issue anyway I have enough games to wait out the shortage

FinalFantasyFanatic685d ago (Edited 685d ago )

I can't really understand people rushing out to buy a console at release, I'll wait a year, two years, etc... until I can walk into a store and buy one if I have to, I'm not paying scalper prices.

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Are the Console Wars Over? Welcome to the Handheld Wars.

Looks like the epic console wars might be coming to an end, and a new battlefield is heating up: the Handheld Wars. With heavy hitters like the Steam Deck, Lenovo Legion Go, and the trusty Nintendo Switch, portable gaming is taking the spotlight. These handhelds bring the power of consoles to your hands, offering a variety of gaming experiences for both casual and hardcore gamers. While PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo aren't going anywhere, the rise of handheld gaming is giving us more ways to play than ever before.

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darthv72711d ago

console wars are stupid to begin with... let alone handheld wars.

GameGeeked711d ago

Console wars, and possibly handheld wars, may seem silly, but they persist because there will always be passionate fan.

darthv72711d ago

Being passionate about the games is fine. The plastic boxes... not so much.

InUrFoxHole709d ago

Passionate is one thing. But fans went full retard

Cacabunga709d ago

Darth

You need some kind of plastic box to play them games.. and people tend to choose the best one. Console wars allows games and consoles to reach new heights.

S2Killinit709d ago

You really don't get to speak. Come on.

Ironmike709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

S2killinit u just as bad

S2Killinit709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

@Ironmike
I’m not as relentless as some on here. In fact, I only respond in kind and I got pulled into this site after seeing how some commenters were always rushing in to be the first comment and detail conversations in favor of their box. Now that their console of choice is doing badly, they preach kumbaya. Just saying.

crazyCoconuts709d ago

Is it implied that "console wars" refers to the fans warring vs. the war the platform holders are constantly in?
Obviously the platform holders have been at war and will be as long as they have to compete for our dollars.

ravens52709d ago

They're fine, as long as you know this isn't REAL. I can say how much distaste I have for MS but still have a best friend that only games on Xbox. Its not that serious .

Charlieboy333709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

Darth, do you not have preferences for certain things in life ? You know like a certain brand of phone, car, clothing, restaurant, etc.

Or are you one of those boring limp people that like to sit on the fence with everything because the 'conflict' is too much for you to handle?

There is fuckall wrong with having a console war....it keeps things fun and interesting. Well unless you're a supporter of Xbox that is.

Most of the intelligent self respecting Xbox supporters have jumped ship and all that's left now are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers.

Ironmike709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

So u resort to insults to win argument, u already lost bro .

Charlieboy333709d ago

@ Ironmike Whatever you say sunshine.....yawn

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Knightofelemia711d ago

Console wars were great when it was SNES vs Genesis. Was always a great topic in the school yard. You got the Genesis port the friend got the SNES port. Always fun to compare who was better. I always looked forward after the school week and rent a game for the SNES. Now the console wars are pretty much done and over with PS3 vs XB360 was pretty much the last of the console wars. Anything after that is pretty much one sided with almost everybody going PS4 and PS5. To me the console wars started to drop after the PS3 and XB360 ran their course. Be interesting to see the handheld wars I am in the market for a new handheld system.

GameGeeked711d ago

The SNES vs Genesis days were definitely memorable. I was lucky to have both consoles :) It's interesting to see how the focus is shifting now. Handheld wars could bring back some of that excitement. Which handheld system are you considering?

anast709d ago

I was on the Genesis side. We see how well that went.

RaiderNation709d ago

I had both but I preferred the Genesis for the sports games and I liked Sega's 6 button controller better for fighting games. That D pad was a godsend to pull off Street Fighter moves!

RaiderNation709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

The "golden age" of gaming to me was between 1995 and 2000 when it was a 3 horse race between Sony, Nintendo, and Sega. For me, there WAS no console war because I genuinely loved all 3 platforms, with each bringing something unique to the table. I miss that era.

anast709d ago

I switched to Sony day 1.

PhillyDonJawn709d ago

Anast, no one would've ever thought that about you. Totally surprising news/s

Fist4achin709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

Mortal Kombat was superior on the genesis!

FinalFantasyFanatic709d ago

It also helps that back then, they used very different hardware, today's consoles have very similar internals to each other, especially modern Playstations and Xboxes.

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fsfsxii709d ago

Handheld wars aka which system is gimped more and destroys your hands faster.

anast709d ago

I would say with the defeat of Xbox and Nintendo being it's own thing in family friendly handheld gaming, the console wars are over. For those of us that enjoy that kind of entertainment and are aware of this aspect, it was fun while it lasted.

There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape.

-Foxtrot709d ago

" There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape "

If the Xbox handheld is true I won't how it will do against Nintendo, even Sony couldn't keep up and the PSP was fantastic

RaiderNation709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

The Steamdeck has currently sold around 3 million worldwide. A handheld Xbox would be lucky to double that. As others have suggested, there IS no handheld war. Nintendo owns it.

Ironmike709d ago

The defeat of xbox my god u for real it's a console u talking g like its real war the defeat that's saddest statement I read in here

anast709d ago

"that's saddest statement I read in here"

Your not very self aware. I get it.

The Wood709d ago

The xbox as a console is a shadow of what it was during the 360 era. IF the term war offends you then I guess that you lean towards the green brand.. Just a guess mind you.. Regardless, the brand has been mismanaged for way too long and that's a key factor as to why the gappage as increased yoy between it and its closest rival.

DarXyde709d ago

In a handheld war, Nintendo cannot be beaten.

PSP was a surprisingly robust effort, and it came the closest... While doing half as well as the DS.

badz149709d ago

closest? By any metric imaginable, it was not even close. it's easy to assume the that the PSP might as well be considered a success but it sold over 80mil vs over 150mil by the DS. It was not until the failure of Wii U, Xbone and Vita did people finally realize how well the PSP actually did. before all those, it was generally called a failure by many, considering how badly the DS crushed it in sales.

NotoriousWhiz709d ago

If the PSP's 80 million isn't a success, then what is the 3DS' 75 million?

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