This always get said when it's the inferior product.

You better believe that this meeting was a full-fledged press conference until MS dropped some numbers at E3, then it was downgraded to "meeting".

Why would it be, Scorpio is at least a year away.

Scorpio is a next gen console. PS4 Pro is just PS4.5.

This is so obvious....

Lol nobody has seen scorpio running any games....Is a powerful console only on paper.

if we say this enough maybe it will come true!

I completely agree with this article. Only the fanboys thinks its a competitor to the Scorpio 😄😅😆 😅

http://www.dualshockers.com...

what developers actually think instead of fanboys overreacting

developers who are known to make quality AAA blockbusters

let me see should i believe a troll who known nothing about development during a game or should i believe the actual people are are getting to work on the console

I say we just get down and play some badass games on whatever console you choose. I like gaming.

The PS4 Pro was most likely intended to compete with Scorpio, but Sony's arrogance got the best of them, and Microsoft isn't messing around this time.

So what happened to all the rumors of the PS4 Pro spec bump to match the Scorpio? All of a sudden they are not competitors. So much confusion from Sony.

Of course PS4 is not a Scorpio competitor. Scorpio is just hype at this point PS4 Pro is a real product. Next year if it ever comes out then let's discuss. It wouldn't be the first time a product gets hyped up then never released.

Scorpio kicks Neo's ass in power, no way around that one......sorry fanboys, no matter how you spin it MS will come out with the more powerful console this gen. I wanted the Pro until I found out it has no 4K bluray so I'm waiting for Scorpio.

PS4 Pro is still going to sell more than the Scorpio.

Scorpio will be the dominate Console force in the Universe, I suggest we use it!

Ps4 PRo hence the name if anyone things this is to rival the Scorpio. It will me a NEW console gen. Also anyone whoever thinks it will be cheap is also very wrong

Okay, I am Xbox fan, but I can't help myself to be disappointed by the PS4 Pro.

The hardware upgrade is okay, nothing special, just what you would expect three years after the PS4.

No 4K BluRay player is beyond stupid. They let MS have the only console with 4K BluRay support out there. That is quite something.

Yeah, it is priced well, but I feel like waiting one more year and stick with my current setup is well worth it. Especially with games like Gears of War 4, Scalebound, Sea of Thieves, Halo Wars 2 and Crackdown 3 coming out for Xbox One. That should keep me busy before the REAL upgrade is out.

Scorpio is going to the next generation at this point. Sony and the Pro are packing their bags back to the Stone Age

I've got a question I'd like any fan of any system to answer? Why the F even make the PS4 slim/standard? Why not sell the current PS4 with the optical port, give it the HDR firmware upgrade, and just produce it cheap for a year and phase out production after that? The slim isn't needed at all!

Yes it is. It's just weaker. Doesn't mean they're not competing with it though.

Scorpio isn't even out. It's not competing with anything.

Xbox became a major player due to performance. Great games, etc. came after. Like it or not, 95% of multi plat games last gen played better on 360. The original XBs appeal was "bleeding edge tech."Sony always has great exclusives. Some like great exclusives, some like best performance. Scorpio vs Pro is basically the fight MS should have fought. MS will never catch Sony this gen. That's OK. MS' aiming at the hardcore gamers and multi system owners. We will get one. Actually, we may get the Slim the Scorpio and the Pro. These debates are childish.

Never seen some many Sony haters literally crawling out of the woodwork today proclaiming the ps4 pro a failure and the rise of the almighty 6 terraflopping beast-mode Scorpio. Hey, while i enjoy my PS4 with HDR next week and have the option to get some VR and a more souped up Playstation experience in TWO months, you can still be complaining on n4g about how excited you are for something SIXTEEN months away.

It's all about moving 4k TVs. It does nothing ur ps4 dosnt do

Fan boys are so dumb. it is obvious that M$ were caught off guard when finding out about the neo development. while already getting killed in Marketshare they couldnt afford to let Sony dominate unobstructed so they jumped the gun on thier next project and made an announcment on hopeful future specs to kill any neo hype. To some extent it has worked wonderfully looking at some of the comments. However Sony usually plays the long game and holds their cards closer to the chest. Microsofts strategy could seriously backfire if for instance the Pro eats up more market share in the next year plus and then holds it own for the next year or two after Scorpio's release as developers have had time to master Pro while figuring out Scorpio. At this point sony could be ready to unveil a technically superior console in the PS5 and or a legit streaming service while microsoft has not made up marketshare. I like what the xbox brand is doing now but they jumped the generation to be on a different schedule from Sony. Its a bit risky if Sonys base stays loyal.

Yes it is weather ppl like it or not. As long there's another model or console from a competitor there's gonna be competition thats how it always is and hows its gonna be.

Let's assume that they are competing with each other. The Pro launches first and Scorpio launches a year later. How many Pros will Sony sell during that time period? How long will it take Scorpio to catch up to the Pros sales?

Knowing that the Pro is a PlayStation and also that PlayStation tends to sell very well. Wouldn't it be a bit difficult for Microsoft to compete with the Pro?

For this reason alone I believe that the Scorpio is actually a competitor for the PlayStation 5. The Pro is competition to the 399$ Xbox One S. Especially since they have the same price point. The new PlayStation 4 Slim competes with Microsoft's cheaper Xbox One S models.

Wow, could you guys get any more pathetic? Claiming that Scorpio is next gen because it trumps Neo in terms of power when they are literally the same thing both Microsoft and Sony are doing this generation? You know, releasing a new iteration of their current gen console to appease gamers who just want better performance and graphics?

Sony fanatics truly are the worst, and that's coming from a Sony fan. Holy crap, people like those who would go to any lengths to disregard anything other than Sony are a disgrace to the gaming community.

Fuck man, the clean up crew is real on here. What the fuck had I been hearing the past months about Neo and Scorpio upping the anti? I could have sworn there were multiple articles and people on here calling this the Scorpio response when they started seeing leaks on Neo. Now, all of a sudden, these two consoles weren't meant to compete? Scorpio is going to have more stuff than Neo. I thought Playstation people were bashing Xbox One for their lack of power, now that XBox has a more powerful machine coming out, now it doesn't matter? Fuck out of here man. It's garbage how quick peoples opinions change when it doesn't suite their narratives.

People seem to have a hard grasp to understand Scropio will play Xbox One games in 4K it will likely have a 4K BRP.

Disagree all you want but these consoles were updates and not a generation jump.

Again it's people ignoring facts and barking up the wrong tree with false hype. You the person are to blame.

What I'm actually happy about, is that these models from XBox and Playstation will be the final ones for the rest of this Gen's Cycle. At least, I hope. That way they can focus on pushing their current gens system further before they release a new console. So, maybe about 4-5 years more in this cycle and then a new one begins. That seems more than enough time for developers to get to know those systems much better and use them as best they can. Get some awesome games out of this

weak

and they keep sayin consoles are dead .. pfff

In the end both scorpion and PS4 pro will underperform! why the hell someone would use $ 399-499 on a console if they can spend less than $300 and play the same games! middle generation consoles are born as flops, what realy matters is new generation consoles that have games that can only be played in new generation consoles, to bring power to table and no "new games exclusives to the new generation" is a bad move!

Im fine with my PS4 amateur for now, was hoping Project Neo would have a 60fps mode for games, but there's nothing clear on that yet. Dont have HDR TV so I cant really enjoy the full benefits of Ps4 Pro for now

Original PS4 and Xbox Scorpio please.

I love how Sony fanboys hear this new console isn't as powerful and suddenly "specs don't matter", you hypocrites. I ONLY own a PS4 and I still hate all of you. Worst fanbase on earth.

Obvious business decision, make it support 4k scaling for new tv's and make vr better. Also they did that with pretty good price too. Its not the next gen, its just an upgrade. nothing more, nothing less.

They "will" be competing once Scorpio launch in perhaps 15 months?.

Scorpio does not sand a chance though. By then there will perhaps be at least 65 million PS4's and perhaps 7-9 million of them Pro.

Devs will still heavily favor the PS4 because of sales. PS4 pro dev will hit their stride by then while the Scorpio is just starting so any difference will be negligible

The other thing to consider is the difference between X1s and Scorpio. X1s will be abandoned and many will jump to Scorpio unlike the PS4 and PS4 Pro.

lol Presumptuous fluff gibberish, hardly worthy of the domain name "geek".

I think that this is an effort to get off the same release schedule as Microsoft, if Sony has such a huge install base, with most subscribing to PS+, building libraries, digital purchases, history, friends lists etc. and they can get those 40 million people onto a different purchase timeline than MS; the vast majority of them will continue to purchase only Playstation. I know there are those of you out there who buy all the consoles, you're not the majority, may be quite vocal but we're all enthusiasts on here so hardly representative.

There is momentum with the PS4, the PS4 Pro will satisfy those players who needed that extra mile / itch scratched and tide them over until the PS5 at which point they'll again buy it while the rest of us jump from PS4 to 5. Few are going to jump ship because the Scorpio has 1-2 more TF on it's GPU.

This post has the best comments I've read in awhile..

One thing is clear here.. fanboys kill it when repeating something but show themselves as morons when they have to think on their feet..

I've had Crohn's Disease for 12 years and have never been as butthurt as all these Sony fans right now.

I got to admit N4G can be a bit annoying at times but some of the comments here is comedy gold.

On one hand you have people using 4K blu-ray drive and 6tflops like it's some sort of war hammer. On the other you have others just dismissing the scorpio before we even know anything about it.

I have my PS4 Pro pre-ordered from Amazon. I will most likely get about £150 for my original PS4. Meaning it will only cost me £200 for the PS4 Pro and enable me to play future games with better graphics/resolution/FPS.

I am also sitting here with a PC that is more powerful than the Xbox Scorpio which does not launch for about 12+ months. It also only cost me about £650 which is probably (key word probably) only £150-£200 more than the scorpio. Can't wait to play Forza Horizon 3 in 4K/60FPS.

It's too weak to compete with scorpio. Major let down by Sony.

Tell me again how the multiplatform strategy was supposed to fix everything. Look at your results and compare them to Nintendo, which keeps thriving with exclusives. Your loyal fans are gone. And let’s not forget the pile of IPs you purchased only to let them rot.

The worst thing is this is down from last years numbers/expectations which was down from the previous years numbers/expectations. You think about how long “down” has been a consistent part of the communication and you realize those subscriptions are what’s holding that boat together. The price cut of gamespass is still a price raise in a string of price raises. They are trying to use players to offset the missing revenue. Now call of duty is out of gamespass, which is literally WHY they bought the company. To draw people to the subscription. They realized they missed a boatload of money and that wasn’t sustainable. Now you pay for it like you would have if they never bought the company… so why buy the company? Mind you those billions still need to be paid back. Yeah it gives you a chance to say we make the biggest FPS… but the internal conversations must be brutal at high level on topics that really matter. Like revenue. Profitability. And ROI for the shopping spree.

Is this like the 10th quarter in a row they're down 33% on hardware how is that even mathematically possible. You would think their mediocrity would Plateau