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Why Last Minute Hardware Changes Are Unlikely for PS4 Neo

Gamers and developers were wowed by the list when Microsoft dropped the news this past E3, but how will Sony answer Project Scorpio's specs with PS4 Neo?

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TKCMuzzer3552d ago

@LordoftheCrumbs
You have issues...

Kingthrash3603552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

Why can people just wait the 20 hrs until all is known?
Jeeze....last minute click ride.

OT tho.....so what of they don't match the xbox in tf. I don't see ps4 gamers clamoring for power...I don't see ps4 gamers waiting to trade in a ps4 for a Scorpio.
It just dosent matter at this point.
The way I see it , with the talented devs like ND making monster games with just 1 tf...or even less tf with the ps3 tlou...I don't see the point of it. You can have all the power you want, if you don't have the talent to utilize it then what's the point?
If power was the major seller in gaming the pc would be the top gaming place.
Consoles have always been the undercard in power to pc, always will....
Consoles have the exclusive games, plug and play and low price. Period.
We know the scorpio dosent have exclusives, and will come at a "premium price" plug and play is still in the air because they are talking like it will be upgradeable like a pc. Soooo, yeah. All the TF In the world isn't gunna make you a successful console....especially when all your games .....ALL YOUR GAMES ...will be better somewhere else. Man. It's like yall wait to be surprised by the obvious.

Eonjay3552d ago

It doesn't matter. Whatever Sony releases will become the standard. Project Scorpio is Microsoft's last ditch effort to steal some attention. But remember that all of Microsoft's moves are only relevant as they apply to PlayStation. Nothing more. I wish them both the best.

sammarshall1023552d ago

That would mean that there's no such thing as "console only" gamers and we know that isn't true

I'll never play on PC so Xbox One and the Scorpio is the only way I can play the games I like

And power comes into play when it's 2 Trillion Floating-point Operations

Kingthrash3603552d ago

That's the problem. You are thinking console only gamers only.
By making its games available it's cut its potential buyers by alot.
Sure you'll buy a Scorpio. But will it go main stream? Will people spend that much? Will pc/xbo owners buy a Scorpio, or just use the money to buy better stronger hardware....I mean think about it for a sec...pc/xbox gamers no longer need an xbox...especially when they can buy the parts for less and end up with a more powerful pc than a Scorpio.
So all you've done here is make a console that's appealing to console only guys....even more the console guys with pockets deep enough.
Lastly this will make some xbox only guys who are thinking of going pc actually go pc. That way they can enjoy all xbox and pc has to offer. By making your exclusives into Multiplat you've did that in a gain of software and a loss to hardware. The more losses the xbox sustains the more likly they'd stop making them.

Protip: MS will sell windows in any case....xbox is considered a windows machine and it's numbers will reflect on windows sales. Windows level of importance to MS is obviously over xbox since day 1 of og xbox...but now they are not focused on xbox hardware. They are Lazer focused on win 10.
So if you are a console only gamer, you need to realize that a pc focus is the future of the xbox brand.

ShadowKnight3552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

PC/Xbox owners will probably not buy a Scorpio because it don't make sense when you can play the same games on PC and Xbox one. When it comes to Xbox games PC will be the best version

Aenea3552d ago

As I just wrote in another article, if power was the only reason people buy consoles then why on earth did people buy the X1?

Answer: other reasons than power...

GameNameFame3552d ago

According to Xbox fanboys, there are only Console Only gamers. Despite the fact that discrete GPU is over 100 million in sales.

Most gamers are just gamers. They go where the games are.

Stop making imaginary categories to make yourselves feel better. Xbox has no exclusives and became a steambox. You know how appealing Steambox was? Look at its flop sales.

BLKxSEPTEMBER3552d ago

You don't see PS gamers clamoring for power? You must be joking. It's the only thing PS gamers have been mouthing off about this entire gen. Funny how some of you have selective memory.

Kingthrash3603552d ago (Edited 3551d ago )

You have selective memory.
The reason power was a thing was that the xbox costed more than a ps4...yet HAD LESS POWER.
But yeah. Selective.
Also I remember how MS was saying in it advertising that the xbo "runs games at 1080p 60fps" sounds familiar to the scorpio claims. ..no?

Don (below)
That's what I said.....its an Increase for software and a decrease for hardware......
Oh and you are in a total dream state if you think pc guys will go xbox because xbox games are on pc. Lmao why in God's name would a pc guy go xbox? Why? Like for what tho? Pc guys have steam and xbox games...why would they leave a massive library of games for an xbox?????? What less games and less power are appealing to pc gamers? Pc gamers and the true power gamers. They spend buckets to play games on pc at a higher rate....not to mention mouse and key control...why would they downgrade themselves? That the most delusional thing I've read all day.

its_JEFF3551d ago

No he doesn't, he's just spreading the good word of his lord and savior Xbox One. Xbox One will deliver us to video game heaven, you just need to drink the cool aid, never question the lords word, and bash any other false gods.

It seems crazy but some people treat these consoles like their "God". You can say anything about them if it's not positive or just straight up praising them. Happens on both sides. I like visiting this site from time to time, sometimes more often, but scrolling down a bit into the comments is sometimes painful and cringe worthy.

OT it is probably too late to change the specs, aside of couse straight up delaying the thing or perhaps a clock boost. Of if you wanna get a little crazy you could go with the "rumor" that they had 2 SKU's, one of them being a bit more powerful... but yea.

BrandanT3551d ago

What are you saying? At the start of the generation, PS4 gamers were all over power - obsessed with it.

donthate3551d ago

That is where you are wrong. Having your games go on more platforms for free, actually increases value of said library. You may be a PC gamer now, but you may become a console gamer later and vice versa.

Oh, the fact that MS is focused on Windows 10 is awesome. Why? Because the Xbox platform is Windows 10. That is why consumers are getting so many updates every year with new features.

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ninsigma3551d ago

Most blatant paid for comment I've ever seen on here xD. He put a lot of effort into it though so at least he's working for it xD

Ot:
I love how it's all there's no time for changes to the specs, when we don't even know what the specs are. Maybe they don't need changing and it's more powerful than we think??

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Babadook73551d ago

You can spot an xbox fanboy by their use of 4.14. Dead giveaway. heehee

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Dark_Knightmare23552d ago

@lordofthecrumbs everything you just said is a load of rubbish seriously quit being a fanboy it's pathetic

MagicBeanz3552d ago

Well to be fair crumbs is all Microsoft has left at this point. BOOM! BAM! BAZING! Just kidding Chris dont ban me. :)

bafa3551d ago

What's funny is the price point. If neo is 450 to 500 like he said then scorpio is what...600 to 700....

Also hasn't MS already hinted at cloud not living up to how they wanted it when it comes to games? Maybe I'm wrong.

sammarshall1023552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

It's too late if the Neo really is launching this year but if it releases next year then they'll give up a year on the market

I think Microsoft will still have the most powerful console with the Scorpio

freshslicepizza3552d ago

hmm, nobody agrees, i wonder why?

S2Killinit3552d ago

Well, I disagreed, but it wasmostly because I think people fail to recognize that MS's plan is really to escape this generation and start the next generation as soon as possible in the hopes of forcing the competition to follow suit. Playstation, on the other hand is in the driving seat when it comes to what they want to do. That is why (imo) they are updating the current PS4, so that they can reap the benefits of being the market leader, then once scorpio lands, Playstation will announce the PS5, which will be the most powerful next gen console.

freshslicepizza3552d ago

@S2Killinit
"Well, I disagreed, but it wasmostly because I think people fail to recognize that MS's plan is really to escape this generation and start the next generation as soon as possible in the hopes of forcing the competition to follow suit. Playstation, on the other hand is in the driving seat when it comes to what they want to do. That is why (imo) they are updating the current PS4, so that they can reap the benefits of being the market leader, then once scorpio lands, Playstation will announce the PS5, which will be the most powerful next gen console."

sony won't announce the ps5 until at least 2018, most likely e3 2019. then microsoft will announce a new system the following year, what's your point?

DigitalRaptor3552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

They are probably disagreeing being it's Sam Marshall, a lying Xbox fanboy.

Or maybe they are disagreeing because it's just his opinion at the end of the day. The PS4 vanilla didn't need a "year on the market" to run away with its success. What Sam is saying is that he thinks it's too late for Sony to put out a 6TF machine this year, but they are capable of putting one out next year if they forgo a year's lead.... which they don't actually need.

Now let's look at what's happening currently on N4G... numerous Xbox fanboys who you previously defended like brothers in arms are going crazy on here and exposing their true natures, I wonder why.... I wonder why nobody is agreeing with them either.
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@ S2Killlinit

Fair point.

Scorpio's jump in specs almost appears to be a new-generation in disguise. Microsoft has bare-face lied before and promised things that they didn't deliver on. They've also cut generations short before, so would it be any surprise to see Scorpio be the new generation? Just a thought.

What you're saying about Sony being in the driving seat is true. They don't need to march to the beat of Microsoft's drum. Bringing out Scorpio with the message of "most powerful" is their admission of defeat, and the fans celebrating it are admitting as much after defending inadequacy for so long. If Sony does react to it and change their plans, I think that would be a weak decision, but they would still benefit from it as the market leader either way. If nothing changes, the PS5 should be delivered when the PS4 generation is coming to a close.

XanderZane3552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

This is N4G. Home of the Sony fanboy club. Anything postive about the XB1 always gets 100's of disagrees. Nothing new. Not sure what Sony will do. Seems they are already manufacturing PS4 Neo's so it looks like they will go forward with their current specs. They might boost the CPU clock speed maybe. I don't see them launching another new console for at least another 3 years from now. PS5 in 2019 most likely. By then Microsoft will be ready to upgrade the Scorpio.

@GameNameFame
Not even close dude. Come back to reality. More Sony fanboys comment on negative Sony articles, which is why it's closer to 50/50 in agrees and disagrees. I'm a fan of all the systems. Don't think XBox fans comment much on positive Sony articles, but Sony fanboys are all over XB1 articles. Doesn't matter if they are positive or negative. I go to ALL the articles. I don't discriminate. It's easy to see the trends when you've been on the site for so many years.

@sammarshall102
That's exactly right.

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sammarshall1023552d ago

PS5 is not releasing in 2018 and even chances of a 2019 launch are slim (no pun intended)

GameNameFame3552d ago

@XanderZane

Yet, i see ton of X1 fanboys. Actually more Xbox fanboy comment on Sony article.

How very much like Xbox fanboy to cry hypocrite while being hypocrite. Lawl

KwietStorm_BLM3552d ago

You sure do show up in a lot of PlayStation articles. I wonder why?

kraenk123551d ago

Because it's you answering on your other troll account...rookie.

Angeljuice3551d ago

"hmm, nobody agrees, i wonder why?"

Because you commented before they got the chance to you moron.

donthate3551d ago

S2:

Dream on. Do you know why we are getting a new console now?

It is because we have a die shrink, as we went from 28nm to 14nm. That is why price is lower, and performance is so much more up. The next die shrink is 10nm, but they are struggling to get there, and as the numbers imply, the change is smaller than previously. That means performance increase isn't as high, and the price lowering isn't as good. Every die shrink has taken longer and longer to get there, and Moore's Law no longer hold.

Hence why a new console from either MS/Sony after this is going to be a long while. Think 2019-2020 at the earliest. Then the console war is reset once again for another mid-cycle upgrade.

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morganfell3552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

All of these remarks are built upon the supposition that specs for both systems are known. I do remember when it was leaked, likely by Sony themselves, that the PS4 would launch with 4GB of DDR3...

This is all machts nichts since power has never determined who leads in a generation. It is about message and games.

sammarshall1023552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

I'm sure Microsoft won't ever be caught off guard like that again

Sony changed the ram at the last minute with the PS4 but Microsoft will likely know the Neo specs tomorrow or at the latest by November and know they have a whole year to make a more powerful box

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freshslicepizza3552d ago (Edited 3552d ago )

@ImGumbyDammit
"First there never was a rumor about DDR3 (nothing that I remember), it was always rumored to 4GB of GDDR5. Secondly, there is nothing really too complex about adding an additional 4GB of standard (yup nothing special to see here GDDR5). Sony lucked out that the price suddenly drop quite a bit for GDDR5 in 2013 making it feasible for them to do so. Otherwise if those prices didn't drop Sony would have either kept the PS4 with 4GB or (Sony not being a charity) would have passed along the cost of adding that additional 4GB in the PS4's initial list price being $450 or more."

exactly!

"Secondly, comparing a simple standard memory upgrade to the complexities of redoing highly specialized silicon that APU represents in these machines is just foolish . I find it strange that people talk about how expensive the Scorpio will be next year yet think that Sony is a in position to redo the Neo and release device on older technology (using Polaris as Vega isn't out until April 2017) to reach near Scorpio specs (within a 1TFLOP) this year or early next. All this out incurring a great deal of additional cost (in both development and the devices list price). I personally think the rumored 4.2TFLOPS for the Neo is spot on knowing what is doable currently in an acceptable price range of a console."

very true.

"Thirdly, the Neo specs are perfectly fine for what Sony is angling this device for: better 1080 game play, media at 4K and smoother PSVR."

stop it, you are making too much sense.

morganfell3552d ago

The rumor was out there and then transition to GDDR5. Then when Adam Boyes left the meeting with Pitchford and 30 others at Gearbox he went back to Sony and it changed then. Developers were still not made aware and Sony sat on the info of 8Gb until the conference.

starchild3552d ago

Are you really saying things like price and power/visual prowess don't matter?

I'd say that NO SINGLE aspect has ever determined which console sells more in a generation. Fanboys on all sides want to reduce it to just one or a couple factors, depending on what suits the agenda they align with, but it's all a bunch of nonsense. There are easily a half dozen significant factors, as well as a number of other minor ones, that affect people's decisions when buying a console.

MikeNike3103551d ago

@morganfell

This is very true. But I never understood how Microsoft could ever let Sony out power them. They have all of the money in the world. Guess they had they're eggs in the wrong basket.

morganfell3551d ago

Sony is a hardware company and MS is a software company.

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DeeBeers3552d ago

Yup. I'm interested to see what Sony has in store, but ultimately doesnt matter. Have my heart set on a scorpio. Almost certainly going to be significantly stronger since it will come quite a bit later on.

Unless Sony decides to push backwards, which would be delightful for a whole different reason XD

Angeljuice3551d ago

I think both Neo and Scorpio will struggle. It's too late in the cycle to be offering upgrades. By the time Scorpio releases everyone will be waiting for the real next gen machines.

I've bought every PlayStation on day one since the original, I have no desire to get a Neo whatsoever.

I'm more than happy with what the PS4 has to offer (I'm never sitting there thinking "I wish the machine had more power"). We haven't even reached the plateau yet (where the limits of the machine become obvious and defined).

MS needs Scorpio to succeed to salvage anything from this generation. Sony have already proven successful, Neo is just a cherry on the top.

DeeBeers3551d ago

Paranoia has gripped the playstation fanbase. WE'RE SURROUNDED BY ROOKIES!! sacre BLEU!

DarXyde3552d ago

What'll be interesting is what the final specs look like. If they're higher than what was rumored, well, that means everyone who said last minute changes were virtually impossible have to admit Sony did, in fact, mislead everyone intentionally and did NOT go back to the drawing board after hearing about Scorpio.

At $400 possibly, I'm not expecting anything much greater than what was rumored though.

Still, it'd be neat.

DarkZane3552d ago

The specs will likely be a little higher because the leaked specs were from a dev kit and not the final product. The final product almost always have more power. Look at the PS4 and Xbox One, their devs kits had 4GB of ddr3 ram. Both were upgraded to 8GB for the final product and Sony even suprised everyone with gddr5.

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Neonridr3552d ago

Things like CPU Clock Speed, RAM, HD space can always be tweaked. But the CPU chips and GPU chips would have already been mass produced at this point so they would basically be stuck with whatever they chose originally.

Yes, there is always room for "tweaking" but definitely just marginal things here.

I was hoping the Neo would launch early next year to save my wallet a little since I am also getting the PSVR bundle. But I guess I will find out tomorrow just how much I am dishing out this holiday season :P

Angeljuice3551d ago

That would depend on how "off the shelf" the components are.

If the Neo drops any custom tweeks and just uses standard PC parts, then it could easily be upgraded with very little time required.

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Neonridr3551d ago

pretty sure the CPU and GPU will be mounted on the same board. Can't just do this stuff on the fly. It's not like there is a CPU chip and a separate GPU stuck into a box. That sort of stuff needs mass production and time.

DarXyde3552d ago

Not so redundant that you wouldn't read it to reach that conclusion.

So thanks!

Bigpappy3552d ago

Power always matters. It may not sway everyone, but it darn sure always matters.

MikeNike3103551d ago

Just not for Nintendo. Seems like they're playing a different game

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma30d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay30d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran830d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger30d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2330d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay31d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn232d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn231d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown32d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay31d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay31d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac31d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger32d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300032d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde32d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood32d ago (Edited 32d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde31d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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