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Microsoft says this might be the last console generation

It also explained its confusing E3 statements on Project Scorpio exclusives.

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-Foxtrot3560d ago

Yeah...sure it is

Consoles will continue to thrive and the sales of this gen prove that.

naruga3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

i agree ..better speak for themselves .. the simple ,instant and the relatively bug/glitch-free console gaming is irreplaceable,...

thisgamer5033560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

Gaming on consoles hasn't been bug/glitch-free since last generation. Don't kid yourself. Unfortunately with this gen, we're seeing broken games at launch requiring day 1 patches. Consoles are no longer the consoles of old where we just got a game and that was it. It just worked. No more.

@Ra3v3r "NMS has been hilariously crashy since they added the actual game (which I'm really enjoying despite the snarky comment)"

NMS wasn't anywhere in this conversation, nor the target of my comments. A multitude of games require patches post-launch nowadays.

Ra3v3r3560d ago

@thisgamer503

Not broken, a common misconception, but unfinished. And sometimes said day one patch adds bugs - NMS has been hilariously crashy since they added the actual game (which I'm really enjoying despite the snarky comment). Other than that I agree with you.

On point, no this isn't the last generation - they can deny it, but with the ramp up in power Scorpio will be Next Gen. After that, generations may give way to reissues with minor hardware updates, just like mobiles. Until we have the next big tech breakthrough, we're fighting the law of diminishing returns by just throwing more resources at it. The idea of a console has always been cheap hardware, great results. These days we get cheapish hardware and a £600 PC can blow it away.

OB1Biker3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

I guess they mean to be consistent with their approach to console gaming regarding 'gaming beyond generation' and sort of abhorring exclusive games to one console.

game4funz3560d ago

Maybe read the article.

A bit misleading.

Kingthrash3603560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

Called it...and yes MS can only speak for themselves.
They've been showing signs of dropping out for over a year now...this isn't news to me at all. The suits ran it into the ground and never gave it a chance.
The lack of passion for gaming MS has shows they just wanted a quick buck. They are the richest company but put the bare minimum into the xbox and making games for it.
They thought they could just throw money at the problem instead of investing in it like they do windows.
So now here they are.....and the same people gunna deny it...cover their eyes and ears and claim I'm trolling...smh

donthate3560d ago

No, this is a clickbait title.

MS is saying that the idea of generation no longer exist. The notion of a generation suggest incompatible accessories and games. Instead, all new Xbox consoles will be backwards compatible with older systems. This is similar to how PC works.

This is one of the best things to happen to gaming, because you don't loose your investment once you move to the next generation.

I expect Sony to fully do this too, and if not, that is ultimate fail.

But hey, all the people here talking BS, you better start reading the article and not just the clickbait titles! Just a thought....

freshslicepizza3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

they are talking about console generations and those leaps from one generation to the next, they ARE NOT talking about getting out of the console market (xbox systems). from project scorpio there will be project scorpio 2 and so on when the time is right that technology is in need of a bump. the big difference is your game library carries on with your account, much like steam.

yomfweeee3560d ago

@ra3v3r. Yes consoles games have bugs, but please don't act like it is anything like PC.

Death3560d ago

@KingThrash,

I just checked your history. I'm not sure where you said Microsoft would be leaving the typical console generation lifecycles and introduce new hardware more frequently. Microsoft isn't leaving console gaming like you want, they will be bringing out new gaming consoles more like we see with new phones every couple years according to the article. Sorry to burst your bubble. :(

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Kingthrash3603560d ago

Saying you think I want MS to stop making xbox is proof that you haven't read my past posts. But whatever....and how is frequently bringing out more consoles a good thing all the sudden? I don't want to spend 500 bucks every 2 years smh this isn't good news no matter how you spin it.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

@SourtreeDing

Exactly. No one with an ounce of common sense is going to buy a new console every 3 years. If that nonsense happens to console gaming completely, I'll switch to PC gaming.

XanderZane3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

They aren't saying that XBox Scorpio will be their last console. They're saying the console will just keep evolving every couple years, just like mobile phones, tablets and PC's. PC's don't have generations. They just keep improving year after year with new hardware parts. That's what the XBox will be doing. Most likely the next console after XBox Scorpio will be one that can be continuously upgraded with add-on hardware.

@Kingthrash360
You didn't read the article did you? They aren't dropping out. lol!! You fanboys are always assuming the worse when it comes to XBox.

Vames3560d ago

Maybe you need read the article.

freshslicepizza3560d ago

@Kingthrash360
"Saying you think I want MS to stop making xbox is proof that you haven't read my past posts. But whatever....and how is frequently bringing out more consoles a good thing all the sudden? I don't want to spend 500 bucks every 2 years smh this isn't good news no matter how you spin it."

then dont buy one every 2 years. problem solved. nobody is forcing anyone to get a ps4 neo or project scorpio, both the ps4 and xbox one have and will be around longer than 2 years. in fact they are both already older than that but i guess adding a dramatic effect by exaggerating things somehow makes your comments relevant? not.

Kingthrash3603560d ago

Moldy, why do you keep coupling what xbox says or does with sony?
Sony says they are staying traditional. It's MS who says they are going the way of the phone.
Console gamers don't want that. Your way of thinking is of the minority.
How attractive do you think a console is when it dosent have exclusives and will renew every 2 years? It's too expensive with little worth.

TheOptimist3560d ago

Even some Suseida from Sony was un-sure about PS5, a few months ago. So I dunno if you have been following or not.

Death3559d ago

@Thrash,

Please read what you write. You gloated when you thought Microsoft was dropping out of the console market and said you've been saying it for a long time. Then when people point out that isn't what happened you say you never said it. Next you claim it's bad to release a new console after only 4 years, then say Microsoft should be like Sony who you claim stated they are keeping with tradition and not releasing new consoles that often. I guess my question is what do you call the much more powerful Neo which is releasing after only 3 years? I'm not sure if I'm more impressed with the irony or hypocrisy of your statements.

Unspoken3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

Consoles will thrive and Microsoft is going to change the game again. Sony needs to keep the copy and paste key fresh and mimic every one of Microsoft's moves or they will be left behind.

freshslicepizza3559d ago

@Kingthrash360
"Moldy, why do you keep coupling what xbox says or does with sony?"

because as of now they are both coming out with enhanced systems within the same family. you do NOT have to upgrade to project scorpio, your xbox one will last you for another few years which would be the standard length of time for a game console. you also don't have to upgrade to the ps4 neo and your ps4 will still last for a few years.

what microsoft is doing from there who knows but it sounds like they will come out with a new system every few years but again you do not have to upgrade every 2 years. so when you keep suggesting 2 years that is where your embellishment gets the best of you. yes sony has said they will come out with a traditional ps5 but who knows what the future holds after that.

"Console gamers don't want that. Your way of thinking is of the minority."

and many here also question why sony is coming out with the ps4 neo. sales will show demand so stop the antics of what gamers want because at the end of the day you do not have to participate so stop being a heckler and move on.

"How attractive do you think a console is when it dosent have exclusives and will renew every 2 years? It's too expensive with little worth."

if that's the case then this should be the lst time you talk about it, right? you seem to be aggrevating yourself for no apparent reason, ignore it and focus on what sony is doing and all your made up issues will then just dissapear. but we all know you love to express yourself whatever microsoft does so chances are you will keep parroting the same embellishment hoping your views stick to someone.

Unspoken3559d ago

Kingthrash predicts the future on a click bait headline without reading the article.

/facepalm

Sony has some real winners over there. LoL

Saranya3559d ago

Maybe they mean for PlayStation

donthate3559d ago

Trash360:

It is mind boggling to me that you are saying:

* Sony releases new more powerful console this year, and you claim, Sony is staying traditional.
* MS releases an even more significant powerful console next year, and you claim MS is dropping out of the industry.

The twisted fanboy delusion is strong here!

How about this:

* Sony is moving to the phone cycle as well, but they aren't saying it. They are giving you a more incremental update than MS and if they want to beat MS on the specs, Sony have to introduce another incremental update.

* MS is doubling down on the console business, by taking the most risks by investing more into their next console and ensuring compatibility across their entire platform extending from Xbox all the way to PC/Win10.

In both cases, compatibility with current generation is paramount, and it's continued support is dependent on consumers voting with their wallet and voice.

What a concept, huh?

gamesndames3559d ago

Thats what he was talking about, he was talking about xbox you dumb fuck

yeahokwhatever3559d ago

Scorpio is the last dedicated game console from MS. In the future "xbox" will be a feature within windows available to everyone with the OS. You will be able to purchase "xbox certified" PCs.

BitbyDeath3559d ago

A console without generations means it's actually a PC.

PC does not have generations, you just upgrade when you want.

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green3560d ago

Reading an article before commenting is not that hard you know.

Hoffmann3560d ago

Depends on the article and where it was posted :-P

Godmars2903560d ago

But often times not worth it.

blackblades3560d ago

It's hard for some people you know. I personally don't like reading long articles.

CYCLEGAMER3559d ago

Yeah, its obvious people don't read or comprehend. He is not saying that this is the last console, he is saying that console "generations" as we've known them in the past is over. No longer will we have to lose our library and get new accessories when new hardware arrives.

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Tech53560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

they mean generation as in cycles. hardware every 3 to 4 years now.

- ""We think the future is without console generations," he said, explaining that Project Scorpio was a "big bet" that gamers will embrace that notion."

conanlifts3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

You didnt read article did you. They are saying consoles will keep selling, but there might not be an xbox 2 for example just upgrades every few years. So no reset and continued backwards compatibility.

@silly gameAr...
You really should read the article then. It's actually not too bad and i didn't think it was clickbait. Its an interview with Greenberg about the the possible future of xbox.

Silly gameAr3560d ago

Well, with a million of you guys telling people to read before commenting, and pretty much giving the gist of the article, I guess a lot of people feel like they shouldn't waste their time on an article with a title that's clearly clickbait.

vegnadragon3560d ago

As long as there is demand someone will be there to make money, that's a given. However the console gig will end soon, Apple and Intel are already saying that Moore's law is slowing down, we are pretty much reaching the limit with silicon transistor, meaning there will be no processing power difference between PS5 and PS6 for example, even computers will be the same.

S2Killinit3560d ago

Not the way MS is heading. They are slowly leaving the console market by merging it with the PC market.

joeorc3560d ago

@S2Killinit1h ago
[Not the way MS is heading. They are slowly leaving the console market by merging it with the PC market]

And that has been , the Companies end goal! The Original Xbox team ,
All 13 of the founders Left Microsoft
Ed fries, Robbie Bach , etc.

The new Microsoft wireless standard for Xbox one peripherals being now licences to mother board manufacturer's to ship directly on 3rd party PC manufacturers. Microsoft has always been in this market to Embrace, Extension, and end goal to Extinguish the need for a game console..

It's all pretty clear..the Media center PC has always was and is Microsoft's main real platform that Microsoft wanted to replace game consoles , because instead of growing console gaming as a separate market, the company wanted to turn the game console market as just an extension of the Windows PC OS market to extend Windows OS further into the Computer Entertainment Platform for the Living room..

Problem is as the last 38+ years , the Vision to Absorb the Game console market under the Windows OS platform has been a muted endeavor outside of mainly the UK and North American markets only..every time this has been pressed to happen it has utterly failed every time to gain any real traction.

That's going to keep happening if history of the past 38+ years has already shown to be true.

S2Killinit3559d ago

Yup. Also, yet again MS says one thing during their initial introduction by sugar coating what they are actually doing, softening the blow, only to come back and "explain" what they are actually doing on a more low key ocassion. Im tired tired tired of MS's deceptive techniques. They will doom consoles, mark my words.

Scottyxboxoneandps43560d ago

You didnt read the article then...

LastCenturyRob3560d ago

It is only a matter of time before everything is streaming. Will it be five years? Ten? fifteen? Who knows but at some point consoles will be a thing of the past.

joeorc3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

@LastCenturyRob53m ago
[It is only a matter of time before everything is streaming. Will it be five years? Ten? fifteen? Who knows but at some point consoles will be a thing of the past]

And since the point you just brought up is due to streaming game consoles will be a thing of the past..let's take that point about "streaming"

Streaming still requires an end user node device or system in order for the end user to use such a streaming service..since game console's are also streaming Box's , so how are they going to be a thing of the past?

Another point is Sony and both Microsoft are including streaming technology Incorporated directly into their systems, why would that mean the end of a game console when in basic terms , the systems itself Already are streaming Box's also included.

Sony also has PlayStation software and services to other devices like Roku, Chromecast , Amazon fire, Smart TV's.. Android OS and iOS devices. Microsoft is unifying the PC & Xbox and Windows phone and surface also any device powered by Windows 10..that include Windows 10 OS devices on surface devices & Windows phone.

Again how would that exclude Xbox as a streaming device also?

Game console are an end user streaming Box also as added functionality. So your point of

"some point consoles will be a thing of the past " would not really Apply In my opinion.

Scatpants3559d ago

If you read the article he talks about the future of consoles being iterative like cell phones, so it will be a newer faster console, but not a new generation. Like what they're doing with Scorpio. I'm assuming a year or two after Scorpio they'll release an even faster X1

s45gr323559d ago

Unfortunately, the hardware side of consoles is going the way of the dinosaurs. This generation was proven that consoles cannot keep up with current technology, cannot deliver all of the features of its predecessor (Sony took a year to implement the ability to play music cds and Microsoft just implemented the ability to listen to music while playing a game). The quantity/quality of console exclusives is dead, pretty much every game comes to PC. The console gaming variety is gone. All in all only fanboys see consoles thriving because in reality consoles are a poor man's gaming PC.

zaherdab3559d ago

The article just says that they will continue to iterate on hardware rather than going through new generations of consoles.
Sarcasm unwarranted ....

CrimzonRazor3559d ago

If you would read it they dont say anything about consoles not being around, they are talking about there no longer being gen's.

NotoriousWhiz3559d ago

He's not saying that consoles are going to go away, but rather that this generation will continue indefinitely (at least for XBOX).

Retroman3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

i asume talking about iterative ps4 Neo and Scorpio instead of restarts
we ALL know this not last generation for Sony and Nintendo.

Kidmyst3559d ago

I think what Greenberg means by this being the last generation is more in a sense no need for backwards compatibility. You can keep playing your games and systems will just keep coming out upgraded but the OS core of it all stays relatively the same. As if since Xbox and SP2, you just bought upgraded hardware and no need to have games that only work on older systems sort of like PC gaming is. It'll be interesting though how it works.

TheCommentator3559d ago

Okay, I asked everybody just a few days ago to link any article proving that the Scorpio is next gen, and nobody could. They just mocked me with conjecture about how in their opinions were right and mine was wrong. Well, guess what? I stayed with the known facts and formed an educated opinion and even said it was still an opinion. All of you, "it's next gen!" proponents just stuck to an opinion with no regards for any of the information available at that time. To all of you people still calling Scorpio next gen... Knock it off already because now we all know you're wrong.

We now have proof from MS, in this article, that Scorpio isn't next generation. They even went farther than thaat and said that the notion of generations is over for them. They want their console to have a PC-like structure to it and that means no one gets left behind if they don't upgrade. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Scorpio isn't next gen and it isn't mid gen because it's an entirely new way of marketing the console industry.

To the people who inevitably still disagree in spite of this direct confirmation from a First Party source... YOU STILL CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG.

meka26113559d ago

I for one like the idea of a console that just gets upgraded, and for everyone that says, "I don't want a pc." I totally agree, not a huge pc fan myself. However I would rather pay $200 to $300 for a nice upgrade then pay $500 or $600 for a totally new console. And make no mistake if the consoles stay the same they will start to get more and more expensive.

Christopher3559d ago

I wonder if they mean this in terms of how we play games or the usual concept of having content exclusive to just one console rather than new hardware always being able to play all the past games and old hardware being able to play all future games (a la PC, but with controlled OS).

To be honest, I just don't see it. Windows 10 and DX12 are not the end-all-be-all and there's going to be improvements down the road that require new hardware and won't work on older hardware that can't be updated to work with DX13+.

TheCommentator3559d ago

Try reading the article before you post. MS is saying this is the end of traditional console cycles. They're saying Scorpio isn't next gen. They're saying the notion of generational hardware is over for them. At no point in time did they mention no new hardware.

Ironically, I've already told you this all before, but you and others around here still just don't listen.

pcz3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

microsofts intention was always to hijack the console market by offering an impostor console with the sole purpose of luring console gamers away from the console market and into pc gaming.

over the generations we have slowly been led from the safe shallow waters of plug and play console gaming, into the deep waters of glitch hell, day one patch, micro-transation pc gaming.

AuToFiRE3559d ago

No they won't. Everyone understands the huge benefits of PC gaming

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YinYangGaming3560d ago

To be clear, they're talking about iterative consoles e.g. PS4 Neo, Scorpio etc. that BUILDS UPON instead of RESTARTS every new gen. Just wanted to make that clear before people misinterpret this by the title.

MasterCornholio3560d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

They have said this before. However I'm not sure if Sony or Nintendo believes the same.

@Jason

Sony clearly said the NEO is a more premium PS4. So from that it doesn't sound like there won't be a PS5 which means they are not doing the same thing from what I understand.

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-n...

The article confuses me though.

"in Sony speak, “Still a PS4.” As opposed to, say, a PS 4.5, or 4K PS4, or rushed-to-the-market-PS5." ; ; ;

Theres this.

And then this.

"With PS4 Neo, Morita implies that Sony is looking to bring in something more akin to PC, with faster, iterative updates that bring enhanced experiences, without completely upsetting the existing ecosystem."

Sounds like generations will continue to exist for Sony but instead of producing a slim they will just produce a slightly more powerful system. Doesn't seem to me that the PS5 won't exist. Afterall just looking at the NEOs specs it's almost the same as the PS4s just with more power.

@Jason 2

PS4 Standard Edition already supports VR.

JasonKCK3560d ago

Yeah but Sony's doing the same thing.

green3560d ago

Is that not what Sony is doing with the NEO?

DragonDDark3560d ago

@jason

Not exactly the same.

game4funz3560d ago

As far as the Xbox. What they're saying is everything will be forward compatible.

Sounds like a really good thing to me.

Death3560d ago

Sony is doing the same thing as far as console cycles go. This is the first generation where we have seen a performance increase with slim or mid-cycle hardware. It's a little surprising Microsoft is doing an Xbox One S and a Scorpio in such a short time frame. The Neo is a very enhanced PS4 if the rumored specs are correct. Sony is in a tricky position since the PS4 has sold so well, they can't afford to hurt PS4 sales and don't want PS4 owners feeling left behind when the Neo hits. That is why they have been so low key with announcements and shows. It will sneak onto shelves instead of being launched like new hardware typically is. If you are a hardcore Playstation fan you will be picking up a Neo so you aren't left behind. The Xbox One S isn't as much of a leap so the incentive for current Xbox owners is pretty low. Scorpio will be to Xbox One fans what Neo is to PS4 fans. Both companies are doing the same thing, but Sony is marketing it in a different way.

DigitalRaptor3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

That is not what Sony is doing, because Neo is a clear mid-gen upgrade to an existing product.

Andy House has called it a "high-end PS4". So if generations don't exist anymore for Sony and there's a Neo 2.0... what will they call it? A "higher-end PS4"? A "high-end PS4K"? No. PS5 will exist. a "PS5.5" will probably exist if the Neo proves to have been a worthwhile venture into mid-gen hardware upgrades. Generations will continue because that's what works for them every generation.

As per Microsoft's messaging around the announcement of Scorpio, it's clear that they have no solid idea what the future holds for their brand of consoles if they decide to make a new one, so they'll say anything at this point if they think it's good PR... Something to make them look like they stand out is making statements like this. They are to homogenize their console output with the PC and promote the 4K standard that will grow quicker on the PC platform, and thus with Scorpio, they want to get ahead of Sony who has been chasing the standard for longer but not yet established it in the console space, but I can't see that plan working out for them in that regard. Neo will have a year's performance gains over the current XB1, will probably be promoted around "4K", and more games that attract more people to their platform. By the time Scorpio arrives, who knows?

They are similar but different strategies, led by different intentions, and things may end up changing depending on how each company promotes their new machine/ how well each one does on the market. These are brand new strategies for the console market after all, so nothing is set in stone.

JasonKCK3560d ago

NEO = mid gen upgrade and VR
Scorpio = mid gen upgrade and VR

Same thing

_-EDMIX-_3559d ago

I don't disagree with you it's very clear that PlayStation 4 Neo is merely a just more powerdul PlayStation 4 and Sony has made it very clear that it will exist within the same Market as the PlayStation 4 but I do not believe this is there replacement to the slim, I believe it's very likely they will still release a slim version of the normal PlayStation 4 to coexist with the Neo.

andibandit3559d ago

A high end PS4?
A mid gen Upgrade?
PS4.5?

What next?? a quarter gen, medium-high end console?

Call it what you want, but the market does seem to be moving towards generationless consoles.

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FlyingFoxy3560d ago

Basically I'd rather own a great PC and maybe a console, or handheld instead.

I like upgrades since it keeps games fresh and at better frame rates, so every 2 years or so i would just upgrade my GPU and eventually the rest of the system when needed.

Consoles would be better with 3-4 year upgrade cycles IMO, like kinda stated in the actual article like you said. I think some people here just read the title on N4G and didn't bother with the rest ;D

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AngelicIceDiamond3560d ago

I've heard the very same thing before and I doubt it.

SpaceRanger3560d ago

I think they're talking about them and their company's perception of a console. With their push to PC and diminished sales, I wouldn't be surprised if they jump ship after this gen.

DARK_WOLF3560d ago

Diminishing sales??? Wat are u on about xbox consoles are selling better than ever.

They mean generations are no longer going to exist they are just going to release better hardware every few years and all ur games move forward with you.

christocolus3560d ago

Some people don't bother reading the article, they only see the title and start spouting BS.

game4funz3560d ago

Yea. Most people here don't know how to read past the title.

It's truly sad to see certain outspoken individuals respond to the title instead of the article.

Really really makes them look bad.

DARK_WOLF3560d ago

The title shouldnt be so misleading either.

cyber_daemonx3559d ago

What xbone-s causes a slight surge and its selling 'betta dan eva'.

Talk about deluded.

Thats why xbone's got no more exclusives cos xbone is selling' betta dan eva'.

Lol

DARK_WOLF3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

U are whats wrong with the gaming community.

U want it to fail. Fact is xbox is selling better right now than any xbox console before it. Even before xb1s.

Grow up an stop being a loser.

indysurfn3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

They are not selling better than ever. Just because they beat Sony in a SLOW summer month does not mean they are not having a downward trend in sales. They had a spike in sales because of deals that are offered to clear old xbox one stock. So they had several month worth of pent up sales that people could not resist the deals.

as for misleading title. No it should not be misleading. But this has been the case on N4G for YEARS. If a person keeps assuming the title is misleading and comments accordingly it does not say much good about them. It is obvious that they are mislead by every food label in the book, and every government rhetoric spewed, what a bunch of fools ready made for the Illuminati to use.

Rude-ro3559d ago

No, it is not selling better.
How do none of you understand business and try to state things as fact.
Fact, the Xbox one posted THE two worst years in Microsofts history of console sales.
Fact. Microsoft went from stating sales to shipped and combined 360/one consoles.
Fact. The market should show growth from compared time frames. One companies product from 2008/2009 compared to 2015/16 should match a growth of their competitors in order to be called a success.
You have absolutely no fact that you can use to back you claim. None. Anything that you can show still will not back your argument against that of business growth.

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Brandnewfan6103559d ago

These people act like there isnt a market for a simple plug and play system. I dont care how big PC gaming is or will ever get. Console gaming will be here in one form or another as long as gaming exists.

green3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

"Do you see a future of console upgrades continually happening? Is this the last console generation?

Greenberg: I think it is. ... For us, we think the future is without console generations; we think that the ability to build a library, a community, to be able to iterate with the hardware -- we're making a pretty big bet on that with Project Scorpio. We're basically saying, "This isn't a new generation; everything you have continues forward and it works." We think of this as a family of devices."

I am all for this.

christocolus3560d ago (Edited 3560d ago )

I think it's a great idea too but what matters is how this plan is executed. MS carrying its gamers along with backward and forward bc sounds great. We never have to start from scratch like it has been in the previous console generations. They'll just keep carrying the Xbox community along with each iteration. which means all Xbox 360 bc titles including current and future Xbox one games will work on future Xbox console platforms, same with peripherals, achievements, and even software features .Everything will be carried over to new Xbox console iterations. Friends lists, library, and achievements all the way. Can't wait to hear more about their plans for Scorpio and I think being a major tech company with a lot of experience in Software/OS development makes this move a lot easier for them.

bouzebbal3559d ago

you still need to buy games that can only run on the advanced "config", so it's the same as now. Already now friend list and everything network related carries over to next iteration.

donthate3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

MS being a software/OS company makes this easier is an understatement.

Sony can't pull their finger out of their behind and failed to create a proper database. Lots of people are complaining about the fact that when they are forced to change their PSN username, they loose their trophy list, their saves and a host of other things. Two factor authentication existed on the Xbox 360, and Sony is just releasing it now.

There is some major issues over there with Sony's OS/platform team.

SegaGamer3560d ago

To be honest, i would be fine with this, i have said the same in the past. We get to keep playing all of our old and new games on old and new models of a console. There would be no need to keep a bunch of old consoles around after a new one comes out. I have had great fun on my Mega Drive, Dreamcast PS2, etc etc, over the years, but i don't really want to keep going back and setting these consoles back up when i want to play games on them every time, i don't have the space. Having one or two consoles around for every game going forward is a leap forward, console generations have become dated now. Console generations are not really needed, from my point of view, they are a hindrance.

SinkingSage3559d ago

That's exactly what a PC is.

gamesndames3559d ago

yeah but with the ease of plug in and play

_-EDMIX-_3559d ago

PC doesn't have a period were developers all upgrade specs, console does.

Chris Roberts had an interview years ago where he stated he missed back in the day where a huge title was coming out and the community upgraded their PC's.

Folks legit complained about Witcher 3's specs

http://www.pcgamer.com/the-...

http://www.polygon.com/2015...

Take a gander at the comments.

Now....consider Witcher 3 is a next gen game (was) yet this shock that it would take higher specs then other games legit makes no sense for a community to not understand.

You want a next gen PC game, get next gen specs. This game could have not done well on that platform SOLELY as it sounding like many PC gamers where not happy about those specs as they were use to the same specs being thrown up for years.

New gen, new hardware. CDPR needed PS4 and XONE sales, to justify meaty PC specs, they could not do that solely on PC as a PC exclusive with the same specs, they stated this themselves mind you.

_-EDMIX-_3559d ago (Edited 3559d ago )

"Console generations are not really needed, from my point of view, they are a hindrance"

No.

We need a upgrade that migrates the install base to new hardware. Even PC STILL has requirements every generation along with console.

'console generations have become dated now"

No.

Its likely the only reason your even seeing such PC upgrades as 3rd parties are dictating when they force requirements on titles for PC, BASED on what ever the new PS or XB is.

ACIV didn't have new requirements for PC users...

AC UNITY DID! Its not a coincidence that AC Unity was also the new generation AC on PS4 and XONE.

PS and XB force the PC upgrade based on developers moving to new platforms. You wouldn't even see developer demanding PC users upgarde to such specs IF PS and XB didn't have new GENERATION platforms with their own market.

Neo and Scoprio won't cause any developer to change their specs of a PC game as the market is the same.

PS5 and XTWO WILL as the market would be decated by those upgardes given that they would have exclusive titles that would NOT be made for PS4 or XONE, thus...developers would upgrade their base specs to meet PS5 and XTWO, THUS upgrading their PC specs to the PC versions.

The cycle continues.

We very much need the console cycle to move forward the PC generation bud. We can't keep having this scale back into oblivion, someone needs to force the upgrade for the community and continue to push competition.

You only see Witcher 3, AC Unity and other next gen only titles because of PS4 and XONE, you would NOT have seen such a game on PC ONLY as CDPR confirmed they couldn't even afford to do that ALL while pushing deep specs on PC, how many would upgrade their specs for 1 game? They will for a GENERATION of games though!

Someone needs to move the needle and its why we have generations in the first place. Neo and Scorpio are NOT making PC specs go up for games bud, they have not exclusive market, thus no one is compelled to make a risk and create content that MAXES out that hardware.

Think economically, not merely about yourself. You may not want to keep a bunch of old consoles, thats fine, but pretty sure you still want to have games that push hardware to the limit.

Thats hard to do when everyone is too scared to max out hardware based on everyone being in the same market. You basically destroy any incentive for a developer to seek to max out hardware.

Who is making a 3X 1080 GTX exclusive? Who is make a Neo exclusive? Who is making a XB Scorpio exclusive?

Now imagine if we didn't get generations, but just more powerful of the same market? Sure you won't have to change platforms, but you won't get titles pushing tech or concepts either.

Want to know how I know this? Look on PC.....we had almost 10 years of a gen last gen, how many PC exclusives had demanding specs?

I'll wait...

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Take-Two CEO Once Again Side Steps Grand Theft Auto 6 Price Point

Strauss Zelnick says price of GTA 6 is being carefully considered and that Rockstar is focused on "making the most spectacular piece of entertainment on Earth."

Kuma18d ago

If GTA 6 abandons everything that made GTA 5 great, it will crash and burn right out of the gate. GTA 5 was funny and not at all PC. My worry is that they will cave to the PC crowd and ruin the vibes.

Eonjay18d ago

They got freaking BBLs twerking on the top of trucks for the gram, the freaking Flordia joker, and dude running down the stree in their undies and you are worried about it being 'too PC'? The internet has runied gamers. It doesn't matter how non-PC they make the game, you will all listen to the grifters telling you not to believe your lying eyes lol.

gigoran818d ago

"Rockstar Games’ co-founder and former VP of Development Jamie King said he envisions GTA 6 as a game that’s “maybe not quite as edgy or quite as funny” as its satirical predecessors."

oh yeah, totally internet grifters spreading rumors...

blacktiger18d ago

That's part of the plan, they destroyed you but they need to destroy the shareholders? Only 1 shre holder is the true elite that don't care

1nsomniac18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Meh.., if it’s above £55 I ain’t buying it.

Rockstar are genuinely not half the company they used to be. I was a die hard GTA fan I’ve purchased every game and expansion and spin off day 1.

My opinion of GTA6 is that I can take it or leave it. Not bothered. They burnt too many bridges.

DaReapa18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

So they're actually leaving the door open for an L.A. Noire sequel? Nice!

VaNdAl18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

He should just come out and say it already it's getting stupid it's going to be a 100 bucks $200 for the special edition🤡🤡; 29315;🤣♿

Storm2318d ago

I won't be getting this game until I can get it for $70. SHoot, I could wait for it to be even lower. I don't need the game that badly as my backlog is still huge and I am enjoying playing other things.

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Talking Aliens: The Video Games With Author Mike Diver

Skewed and Reviewed have posted an interview with Author Mike Diver about his pending book on Aliens video games.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay19d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn220d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn219d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown20d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay19d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay19d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac19d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger20d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300020d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde20d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde19d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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