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Why Nintendo Needs More Female Protagonists

Nintendo Insider writes:

The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild was met with a warm reception when it was announced at E3, but not every fan was happy with the choice of protagonist. For a while, rumours had been circulating that the next Legend of Zelda could have a female lead. Sadly, the mumblings weren’t true and producer Eiji Aonuma explained that giving Zelda the lead would have meant poor Link would be left at home, twiddling his thumbs.

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Hoffmann3608d ago

They don't need more female protagonists, they need more NEW protagonists and more completely new series that don't stay one game experiences and can develop into a big series.

Blu3_Berry3607d ago

Agreed. Instead of mixing their mascots into different genres they are not used to, just make an entirely new world. It will go a long ways if done right but they seem iffy on taking big risks for creating new protagonists. Both Sony and Microsoft are doing it, so why not Nintendo?

Step your game up Nintendo!!

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago

Agreed Nintendo is already taking some risk with the new Zelda game and I love it !!

I want them to continue that path and continue to progress as a company as opposed to saying static

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago

I believe they need new protagonist of many demographics regardless as there's so much unique stories that could be told.

I feel Zelda also being Sheik has so many amazing opportunities that they could run with. I think the biggest problem with specific Publishers is there so scared to change specific things in gaming they lock the creativity moving forward because they keep holding on to Old dated ideas.

Kojima did not get to where he was by continuing the same type of storylines or characters he wasn't afraid to completely get rid of main characters in favor of new he wasn't afraid to even age is character or even completely have you play someone else in his next games because he's confident in the world and character he's building in the perspectives you're now saying you're excited to play something a little bit different from a different point of view.

The most strange and amazing thing about this E3 has to be Resident Evil 7 Zelda and God of War having a radically different concepts! One could call it the E3 of radical creative Direction lol

What are the most interesting things I read about God of War was that director stated nothing was "sacred" and they were not going to keep something just because ,they were going to radically change what they wanted to and that type of bold confidence is why God of War was one of the craziest reveals of E3.

I feel Nintendo is on the right path and they need to trust their developers and creators and let them focus on actually creating unique experiences who knows where this company could have been if they always kept seeking a progressive attitude as opposed to static in always trying to desperately keep things the same.

I was shocked and flabbergasted that cutting grass didn't give you money in Zelda as this is something I've been asking for, well over 15 plus years!!😂

But it's good to see that Nintendo is finally after all these damn years trying to be Progressive this is what the fans want they need to compete openly and they need to stop feeling like they need to cater to Nostalgia or hold things sacred because it's literally destroying this company by continuing to try to cater to such an idea. I'm not saying the game needs to be a completely different genre I'm merely saying that the team creatively progressed and if the character could be a girl and they could have a unique story behind it so be it because I do not believe every Zelda game needs to be about link, I mean for god sakes the namesake of the series needs to have their own unique game. Lol

They need to stop being afraid of change and stop being afraid of new things nothing should be so damn sacred that a confined to series to this one stagnant boring Direction.

The mass excitement from Zelda this year should show them that fans indeed welcome this change and have been asking for it for a long time this is the first Zelda I'll be purchasing since Twilight Princess that's a very long time to not play a series!

I want them to progressively make new characters and have games focused on different perspectives.

wonderfulmonkeyman3607d ago

For once I agree with you.

If they could hire more young talents to create more genre-twisting games like Splatoon, Nintendo would be in very fine straights indeed.
Then again, Mario Maker is selling like hot cakes and the attach rate for many of their exclusives, both first and third party, are insane, sooooo....

Hoffmann3607d ago

Huh? I could swear you started a few more replies to me already with "for once I agree to you" ;-)

Seriously, I have nothing against Nintendo, I want them to become more successful.

Zeldafan643607d ago

I'm pretty sure Splatoon is going to be just that. If Nintendo can make one more new ip of the same caliber as Splatoon they should not be criticized anymore for not making new ips.

Hoffmann3607d ago

Splatoon is a right step into the right direction for sure.

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago

? No. No when publishers like Sony are releasing new IPs as entire series every gen like clock work. They can do more.

If Sony can, Nintendo can. Nintendo use to be the one that created those new concepts, now its as if they are just gun shy about making anything that is different, hopefully we see more like Splatoon or even the new Zelda from their other teams.

"they should not be criticized anymore for not making new ips" Not when we are saying Splatoon plus one more.

That is like Saying Sony released Knack and Until Dawn and "they should not be criticized anymore for not making new ips" and um "can make one more new ip" lol

Yet...Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn, Driveclub, Dreams, Wild, Detroit etc.

I want to see that level from Nintendo. Why not seek more? Less is better? Its not as if Sony had 3 people per team making those games or something lol.

I think Nintendo is trying to do better, but its very, very clear they can do better then this, Sony and even MS says hi to that bs.

Nintendo selling less handhelds and consoles this gen compared to last should be very much leading the charge on new concepts and IPs if you ask me.

Not saying they need to have a line up like Sony's exactly, merely that they need to be in the same damn boat of new ips!!!

Coniser this, you don't hear PS4 gamers saying "Until Dawn is a start, we just need 1 more new IP and we are good" or "Bloodboren is a start, 1 more new IP Sony and we are fine" lol

Those are just merely SOME new IPs ,Sony still has a few teams that are still making new content too.THAT is the level of excitement that gains a long term consumers.

Splatoon plus 1 isn't driving anyone nuts bud....pretty sure you'd be happy as hell if Nintendo was making more new IP NEAR the level of Sony or even MS.

To MS its not merely JUST ReCore and 1 more lol Scalebound, Quantum Break, Sea Of Thieves etc.

As a gamer, pretty sure we would want more variety and effort from Nintendo. If Splatoon plus 1 more new IP fixes Nintendo's issues regarding new IP for you, thank god you don't own Nintendo.

What is that saying for Sony and MS? So Nintendo is losing but just needs 1 more new IP and they are good?

Soooooo disregard why PS4 and XONE are selling better?

Metallox3607d ago

But bruh, WHAT ABOUT MAH FEELINGS!?

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Geekman3607d ago

You.. you literally turned one thing into something else.

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DiscoKid3608d ago

Having more female protagonists just for the sake of having them is stupid. If the director wants a female lead, then they should, regardless of anyone's feminism.

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago (Edited 3607d ago )

Who sang that's the case though? This is merely saying if somebody had a great idea for a Zelda game that was about a female lead make that happen!

I don't believe anyone is saying make it happen just for the sake of equality and nothing more as opposed to Let's actually try to have a different character perspective

Have you not wondered why the name of the game itself being Zelda has not had the person even it's named after as a main character?

The 10th Rider3607d ago

Then it wouldn't be a Legend of Zelda game, it'd be a spin-off title . . .

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago

Why would it have to be a "spin-off title"?

Was MGS2 a "spin-off title"?

How about MGSV or MGS3 those too "spin-off title"?

Just saying, you don't play Snake for MOST of MGS2, you don't play Snake at all in MGS3 or MGS5, just saying, you can still have a main Legend Of Zelda game without Link considering all the titles don't even use the same Link in the first place.

TwoForce3608d ago (Edited 3608d ago )

It's Nintendo choice. If they want to make a female or male lead, it will depend on them. Don't force them to do. Just let Nintendo decide.

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago

I don't think they should be forced but I believe they should allow their team to entertain the idea of having a female protagonist or they need to at least have a concept for playing Zelda as one of the games because for god sakes the namesake of the series is a person you've yet to have an entire main game about.

It becomes so stagnant and boring in regards to lure in story because you're basically the same one-dimensional person all the time something scary when Kratos from God of War has more layers to his character than link.....

I want a story about her life as a royal princess I want to have missions when you're escaping the castle to sneak out and have Adventures , I want storylines talking about gender, there's so much that could be done that could make a very unique and long-lasting experience if they just attempted to be bold and confident in their work.

You have too many times companies so scared, set in their ways and stagnant in their direction that they missed so many opportunities to create meaningful experiences.

People need to understand we could have not gotten Heavenly sword or Horizon zero Dawn or The Walking Dead series or Mirrors Edge or so many other great games with female protagonists. Having a different, race ,demographic culture whatever adds a completely different Dynamic to the game and lends to adding to a more unique story that could be proposed as opposed to the same crap we've been getting for Generations.

a company like Nintendo could have been the forbearers of such a revolution yet they've now become the shining example of being stagnant ,set in their ways and basically the old school mentality of creating and storytelling .there's a reason why people absolutely loved the last of us or why titles like The Walking Dead sold so much and got so many awards people want to see different points of views for characters . these companies need to stop being so damn scared of putting a female lead behind the game it's a very ,very obvious some of them are literally scared to change what they've been set in their ways of creating in fear of this massive rejection when the reality is it's just the opposite many of the installed base craves for such a unique twist and change and want to see the different perspective.

Mind you that doesn't go for just females I would like to even see a Zelda where you played in elderly link! Lol people might question if it could work or not and that's okay but Kojima made it work with Metal Gear Solid 4 . I do not believe it's impossible I think people need to think creatively and allow for these teams open their minds to what could be done with such Concepts as opposed ignorantly wanting the same crop regurgitated a billion times.

TwoForce3607d ago

I understand that Nintendo need a new ip and new mascot. But it up to them.

_-EDMIX-_3607d ago (Edited 3607d ago )

@two- lol who saying that it isn't? I'm merely giving a suggestion.

I never once stated that I would be forcing this change upon the company.

Lol consider you could say that about all criticisms or any suggestion ever about anything.

I know it is up to the company we are talking about do they not own the intellectual property and their company?

So let's never theorize or speculate about this or have any suggestions?

JOWAPPO3607d ago (Edited 3607d ago )

Edmix, proofreading, it's a very important thing.

But more to the actual point: I wouldn't want a female-lead Zelda game if they were just going to treat the character as a platform for a discussion of gender politics instead of creating a great individual character that strives on her own merits. That just replaces one shallow character with another.

Then again, there's a reason why Link is shallow, it's because he's more of a role than a character. Does he have to be male? No, he just has to be the hero of time. I think he's just too iconic for his own good, but I wouldn't be all that interested in the same tired female hero story of "none of those ulgy douchey men take her seriously, but this young girl is going to sneak off and save the world ANYWAY! TAKE THAT, PATRIARCHY!1!"

You want to talk about stagnant and boring? That log line pretty much applies to the majority of female-hero animated movies (except Mulan, she's unique because she rose to the challenge of a male soldier standard despite her disadvantages, and she's awesome for it).

Anyway, games like Walking dead weren't super successful simply because the main character was black or a woman, they were successful because they were unique gaming experience in a sea of generic ones (that's why Walking Dead got game of the year). It wasn't just point of view/representation, it was the gameplay and design elements that made it stand out (although for Last of Us it was more the story and graphics, and I don't really care about either, those two things by themselves shouldn't make a GAME).

Also, what's this about getting the same crap for "generations"? It isn't culture or gender alone that automatically creates a unique perspective or experience in interactive entertainment, it's the gameplay and how you design it. Games can do more with unique perspectives than just:

"Oh I'm black, that alone somehow makes my game unique, just talk about my race a bit and watch the awards come flowing in".

I'd love to see more diverse characters, but not if that means replacing what we already have or not having to create a good game/character. You need to create NEW games, GOOD GAMES; games like Last of Us (...eh) and Walking Dead. Encourage developers who want to make that kind of game, don't shame and mandate devs who don't.

Nintendo are finally going back to the original spirit of Zelda and are giving us what looks to be the Zelda of a generation. ...but do these people care? No, that doesn't matter unless Link has a vagina. Apparently young girls don't care either, because the way the character looks is that much of a barrier to their ability to enjoy the game. This article talks about representation like female gamers in general can't enjoy games without it. It's shallow at best and agenda-driven at the very worst.

There's a reason why characters like Samus and Chun-li are beloved characters who are cosplayed to death and put on wall murals: they're wonderfully designed and belong to great games. That's what people want, great games. All the political correctness and progressiveness in the world won't save you from mediocrity.

But in the current climate of entertainment, the opposite is apparently true, you can actually save your crappy movie or game with gender/race politics.

Just ask Sony.

Segata3607d ago

The same year Ubisoft said it was hard to make female characters in games Nintendo released Hyrule Warriors which at launch was made up of mostly female playable characters.

opinionated3607d ago

The site is blocked at my work. Can someone summarize why they need more female protagonist? Is there actually any reasoning behind it or is it just the same old typical quota bullshit.

Movefasta19933607d ago (Edited 3607d ago )

'It all comes back to this: women and girls need to be represented in video games, especially if Nintendo is to attract a young audience. Girls under the age of 12 are going to want to play as girls – a few pink background characters isn’t going to be enough.'

'Another problem is the lack of non-white Nintendo characters. Almost everyone in the Nintendo universe is either European or Asian. The lack of diversity really is shocking and if the company continues down this road, it will end up distancing a large percentage of its potential audience.'

'While it’s good to see a female protagonist was considered for Breath of the Wild, the reason why it was discounted has left many female gamers feeling cold. Nintendo needs to consider its audience and continue asking the question: what if this character was female? Recycling old IPs and characters will only get the company so far – let’s hope the NX introduces us to some new, modern and exciting Nintendo characters. In the meantime, Princess Zelda is going to be the one twiddling her thumbs.'

opinionated3607d ago (Edited 3607d ago )

So the affirmative action mentality basically. It doesn't work. They have tried this shit for years, there are actual statistics and results. Are good intentions still good when you know they are going to fail because of incompetence and forced subject material?

The US fought for years to end segregation and now people are fighting to get it back through multiculturalism, identity and speech politics, affirmative action, etc. There is no reason (result oriented) why any of it should be taken seriously yet it has reigned as the standard in human decency and equality. It's quite ironic.

He is shocked because Nintendo doesn't meet that golden standard. The theory that making a protagonist a different gender or ethnicity will somehow sell more games is a wild assumption. Saying that Nintendo must conform or lose audiences and fade away is complete bs. That's backed up by nothing but propaganda.

If a gamer wants a colored or genderless character that resembles them then that's fine. Many good games give the option already and I have nothing against that whatsoever. It's far down on the priority list for an individual. Far Behind story, writing, framerate, gameplay, graphics, resolution and even fanboyism. These people are the scummy "appropriators of culture" who believe that if it's good then it's good. It is what it is.

Identity politics are a top priority for the American collectivist. Women have one voice, blacks have one voice, the gays and such are smashed together in one abbreviation. They fight like hell for whatever it is they want and follow the leader organization on the oppression quest. None of these people have any less rights than a white straight male. People couldn't name one, it's just divisive rhetoric.

The problem with the American collectivist is claiming harassment when people don't kiss their rings. For example, it's a disgusting display of capitalism and a violation of the equality standard that a woman isn't on their board of directors. Or the lack of diversity in game characters from a toxic Japanese corporation (of all places) leading to their demise. It's such an awkward point of view to me.

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ZycoFox686d ago

Probably be using 3+ year old chips by the time it launches

Tacoboto685d ago

The 2017 Switch is based on the 2015 Tegra X1 so even if Nintendo is using technology from 2022, that alone still represents a significant improvement.

Outside_ofthe_Box685d ago

How many decades has it been since Nintendo consoles been about power?

Inverno685d ago

Should open pre-orders through the E-shop for a period before making it available through stores. And now that COVID is out the way, you can make in store preorders mandatory too. People interested wouldn't have much of an issue driving by if it meant keeping scalpers at bay for a bit.

CrimsonWing69685d ago

I mean, the problem is these a-holes have bots that eat up every sites inventory. Then they sell it on eBay for stupid prices. No matter what you try to do we’re still going to have to fight through these human pieces of sh*t to get these damn consoles at launch.

phoenixwing685d ago (Edited 685d ago )

Well I'll either see if I can get one online against bots or wait till they're saturated and buy in a brick and morter store. Waiting isn't an issue anyway I have enough games to wait out the shortage

FinalFantasyFanatic685d ago (Edited 685d ago )

I can't really understand people rushing out to buy a console at release, I'll wait a year, two years, etc... until I can walk into a store and buy one if I have to, I'm not paying scalper prices.

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darthv72710d ago

console wars are stupid to begin with... let alone handheld wars.

GameGeeked710d ago

Console wars, and possibly handheld wars, may seem silly, but they persist because there will always be passionate fan.

darthv72710d ago

Being passionate about the games is fine. The plastic boxes... not so much.

InUrFoxHole708d ago

Passionate is one thing. But fans went full retard

Cacabunga708d ago

Darth

You need some kind of plastic box to play them games.. and people tend to choose the best one. Console wars allows games and consoles to reach new heights.

S2Killinit709d ago

You really don't get to speak. Come on.

Ironmike709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

S2killinit u just as bad

S2Killinit708d ago (Edited 708d ago )

@Ironmike
I’m not as relentless as some on here. In fact, I only respond in kind and I got pulled into this site after seeing how some commenters were always rushing in to be the first comment and detail conversations in favor of their box. Now that their console of choice is doing badly, they preach kumbaya. Just saying.

crazyCoconuts709d ago

Is it implied that "console wars" refers to the fans warring vs. the war the platform holders are constantly in?
Obviously the platform holders have been at war and will be as long as they have to compete for our dollars.

ravens52709d ago

They're fine, as long as you know this isn't REAL. I can say how much distaste I have for MS but still have a best friend that only games on Xbox. Its not that serious .

Charlieboy333709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

Darth, do you not have preferences for certain things in life ? You know like a certain brand of phone, car, clothing, restaurant, etc.

Or are you one of those boring limp people that like to sit on the fence with everything because the 'conflict' is too much for you to handle?

There is fuckall wrong with having a console war....it keeps things fun and interesting. Well unless you're a supporter of Xbox that is.

Most of the intelligent self respecting Xbox supporters have jumped ship and all that's left now are the mouth breathing knuckle draggers.

Ironmike709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

So u resort to insults to win argument, u already lost bro .

Charlieboy333708d ago

@ Ironmike Whatever you say sunshine.....yawn

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Knightofelemia710d ago

Console wars were great when it was SNES vs Genesis. Was always a great topic in the school yard. You got the Genesis port the friend got the SNES port. Always fun to compare who was better. I always looked forward after the school week and rent a game for the SNES. Now the console wars are pretty much done and over with PS3 vs XB360 was pretty much the last of the console wars. Anything after that is pretty much one sided with almost everybody going PS4 and PS5. To me the console wars started to drop after the PS3 and XB360 ran their course. Be interesting to see the handheld wars I am in the market for a new handheld system.

GameGeeked710d ago

The SNES vs Genesis days were definitely memorable. I was lucky to have both consoles :) It's interesting to see how the focus is shifting now. Handheld wars could bring back some of that excitement. Which handheld system are you considering?

anast709d ago

I was on the Genesis side. We see how well that went.

RaiderNation709d ago

I had both but I preferred the Genesis for the sports games and I liked Sega's 6 button controller better for fighting games. That D pad was a godsend to pull off Street Fighter moves!

RaiderNation709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

The "golden age" of gaming to me was between 1995 and 2000 when it was a 3 horse race between Sony, Nintendo, and Sega. For me, there WAS no console war because I genuinely loved all 3 platforms, with each bringing something unique to the table. I miss that era.

anast709d ago

I switched to Sony day 1.

PhillyDonJawn708d ago

Anast, no one would've ever thought that about you. Totally surprising news/s

Fist4achin709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

Mortal Kombat was superior on the genesis!

FinalFantasyFanatic708d ago

It also helps that back then, they used very different hardware, today's consoles have very similar internals to each other, especially modern Playstations and Xboxes.

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fsfsxii709d ago

Handheld wars aka which system is gimped more and destroys your hands faster.

anast709d ago

I would say with the defeat of Xbox and Nintendo being it's own thing in family friendly handheld gaming, the console wars are over. For those of us that enjoy that kind of entertainment and are aware of this aspect, it was fun while it lasted.

There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape.

-Foxtrot709d ago

" There is no handheld war Nintendo owns the handheld landscape "

If the Xbox handheld is true I won't how it will do against Nintendo, even Sony couldn't keep up and the PSP was fantastic

RaiderNation709d ago (Edited 709d ago )

The Steamdeck has currently sold around 3 million worldwide. A handheld Xbox would be lucky to double that. As others have suggested, there IS no handheld war. Nintendo owns it.

Ironmike709d ago

The defeat of xbox my god u for real it's a console u talking g like its real war the defeat that's saddest statement I read in here

anast709d ago

"that's saddest statement I read in here"

Your not very self aware. I get it.

The Wood708d ago

The xbox as a console is a shadow of what it was during the 360 era. IF the term war offends you then I guess that you lean towards the green brand.. Just a guess mind you.. Regardless, the brand has been mismanaged for way too long and that's a key factor as to why the gappage as increased yoy between it and its closest rival.

DarXyde709d ago

In a handheld war, Nintendo cannot be beaten.

PSP was a surprisingly robust effort, and it came the closest... While doing half as well as the DS.

badz149709d ago

closest? By any metric imaginable, it was not even close. it's easy to assume the that the PSP might as well be considered a success but it sold over 80mil vs over 150mil by the DS. It was not until the failure of Wii U, Xbone and Vita did people finally realize how well the PSP actually did. before all those, it was generally called a failure by many, considering how badly the DS crushed it in sales.

NotoriousWhiz709d ago

If the PSP's 80 million isn't a success, then what is the 3DS' 75 million?

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