@artisin
Xbox S is only XO Slim that makes upscaling for 4k e have bluray UHD. That is in no way changes the development of the game.which is the same situation Ps4.

You are missing the point. Why buy a console when you can play the same games on PC, tablets, and phones? Why console game? Soon the tablets will be strong enough and then say bye bye to your consoles.

The only thing I'm noticing with MS is they're willingly throwing themselves into the Dreamcast scenario... 2 years after, PS5 will be out, no devs will cater to Scorpio, and any lead they have will be diminished.

If they release an update to play PS5 level games (Xbox three?) They'll have abandoned Scorpio users. Unless they plan on Scorpio (X2) being the 1080p model and X3 being the 4k model.

It may or may not work out for them... the perfect 4:1 scale of 4k gives them some longevity, somewhat.

PlayStation is still going to be around for a very long time. They have real exclusive games that cannot be played anywhere else.
Microsoft on the other hand is simply helping Steam grow. Granted, their goal is to steal marketshare from Steam but that is not what's happening.
Now they'll say, "but you can only buy our games on our store" True. PC gamers love to have the reassurance that they can get the game at any time, but it doesn't mean that they will buy them all.

In order for PC gamers to really enjoy Microsoft games, they would need to open up their policies including allowing mods and hacks. Then the Xbox console fans will hate the fact people cheat online, it's a no win situation if they do it.

It's still going to be relevant in the US, but globally their share of the market is going to be significantly dwarfed. It will loose it's console sales even faster than before since people won't find a reason to own One.

Microsoft should put up a fight. PC is not exclusive to Microsoft even tough they own the OS.
Unless they have future plans to make it exclusive to their store and restrict games sites like Steam, they will loose money on all 3Rd party games they could have earned.

Sony still has great line up of exclusive. You know you need playstation to play them.

Unlike Xbox which you dont need it to play its games.

@thisgamer503
No, what makes them not the same generation is the huge graphical leap of scorpio plus the fact that it will be VR compatible unlike the current xboxs (AKA exclusive games). What you don't seem to understand is that MS has decided to release their next gen console early so as not to have to compete with another Playstation head on. They are escaping the head to head. and furthermore, they are escaping the console market to the detriment of console gaming. So you spin it however you like, the fact is, MS's terrible sales is what has driven their hand. Its plan B, drastic measures. Hope it works out for them, but hope they don't ruin the console market.

Scorpio, it is not!

@S2Killinit
Microsoft's decision to cut this generation short was obviously fueled by the lack of sales. They are not in business to lose money. However, you fail to understand that the "generation gaming" thing is dead. Back in the day releasing a console took very long because most often than not, the hardware changed dramatically from the previous console forcing developers to learn the new hardware which took a long time (PS3 with the cell). This is why you saw gaming consoles taking 4+ years to come out. Fast forward to today and today's consoles are literally mid range PC's with average specs that can easily by upgraded at a faster rate negating the long refresh cycles. We upgrade components in our PCs all of time (Video card, Processor, RAM, etc). I wouldn't be surprised if Scorpio and or the PS5 allow a greater level of modularity across board.

@thisgamer503
I fully agree with you on Scorpio wiping the floor with Neo based on the rumored specs. It doesn't take a genius to realize why Neo was not mentioned at all at E3. Sony can't afford to look inferior by any means. I'm not a fanboy, I just call them like I see them and Sony got taken by surprised which is why they are most likely back at the drawing board trying to salvage the Neo situation right now. They are betting pretty big on the PSVR especially with it costing $499 + tax not including the games. Too risky for my blood.

@S2 - so microsofts hand is forced. Why is Sony releasing Neo then? They already have the more powerful console on the market.

@Oneshot.

Not 100% true, you can buy rise of the tomb raider on steam

A Windows license is more profitable then a console I'd assume.. from their standpoint, the box itself is irrelevant and can easily be done away with.

Except those people that don't want a gaming PC and prefer a console.. which is the only reason they've ever existed anyways!

The console will only go away when people don't want them.

@thisgamer

Cleft is saying that if your own a pc and a lot of people do. Then you won't need an Xbox. That cuts out a couple of million consoles! I've been saying the whole time Microsoft really wants to grow the Windows store! They will in a sense just be selling games. If they sale a console or two that's fine. That's why spencer made the comment about console numbers don't matter. That's all the proof I need!

@Oneshot:

They're losing 3rd party royalties that they'd get if people bought multiplats on their Xbox's and potential XBLG subscribers which were both major contributors to the 360s profitability.

Every person that chooses to not get the Scorpio or slim will also not be contributing to hardware sales. Now, hardware sales don't help make them much money, in fact, they could be selling each console at a loss, but hardware not moving off of shelves is actively detrimental to them. No store wants to have tons of consoles that aren't selling, that's shelf and warehouse space that could be used for something else. If it sits there too long, the company that owns the warehouses or stores could actually charge MS if MS wants to keep those consoles stocked, or they'll have the consoles shipped back to make room for something that might sell.

That last paragraph is just a doomsday scenario for Xbox and I doubt it'll happen, but that's one of the possibilities of hardware that won't sell. So it's not like if too many potential buyers choose not to buy the new Xbox's in favor of PCs, MS will be fine with it. Though gaming is more of a side project and to make MS relevant for people who don't use MS's other products, so they're probably fine with it anyway, as long as people aren't thinking of MS as having nothing interesting for them.

@Sharky

If people already own a pc? Like I said before, just because you own a pc doesn't mean it can game
The majority of PC's can't play games. People who are into gaming are usually either into console gaming, or into PC gaming. Console gamers aren't going to magically switch to PC because Xbox games are there. To think that way is pure fanboy logic. MS is just giving PC gamers what they've asked for years, to release MS published games on MS Windows. The marketplace they're releasing to may not be ideal, but it's a start.

@ Bruce755 below -

"They don't build PCs for a few reasons, first is price."

No. Ask 90% of console gamers why they game on a console and not a PC. The price will have nothing to do with it I assure you. Ease of use is the primary driver. PC gaming is more expensive to get into, but when you consider AAA games drop to $40 or so on PC within a few months, plus no subscription for online play, the cost over a gaming generation balances out between console or PC if you buy enough games.

@Bruce - Answer me this. Look up sales of exclusive games. Tell me the biggest selling exclusive. Now, what % of the userbase of the console does that make up? Exactly. What games do the other millions upon millions users play? Multiplats.

I notice nobody ever answers this question. I guess the truth about exclusives having no bearing on the majority of console sales doesn't sit well with some. People need to think about this. A lot has been said about last gen ps3 vs 360 and yes ps3 won. Sony is a massive global brand. MS is not and yet they STILL gave ps3 a run for its money sales wise. You know why? It's easy: it ran multi platform games better.

And that's the reason Xbox one "one" is going to be my last Microsoft console....they wanted a slice of the PC market and that's why they will release all their initial Xbox "exclusives" on PC...I bought the fucking box not even a year ago and I already regret it...instead of playing it clean and saying upfront when they released Xbox or even during last E3 they just go 2 years later and say no more xboxone exclusives for you....that's what I call shady....I bought it for recore, halo, scalebound and gears of war....but now all of them are coming to PC(yeah yeah halo 5 no,but halo 6 will be also on PC)...one thing for sure is that they lost my trust and my money going forward....and I'm positive that I'm not the only one that got burned this way....
Just to be clear I'm not against letting these games going to PC I just hated and despised the way they did it...because now I'll just build a proper gaming PC and just keep the Xbox one I bought for backwards compatibility games like tekken tag tournament 2....and I'll keep my ps4 for ps4 exclusives... If Sony would do the same I'd be as pissed and salty as I am with Microsoft right now....