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Does the cloud still matter for Xbox One?

Scott from TVG writes "Cloud computing and the power of Azure was heralded as the saviour of the Xbox One capable of giving it huge amounts of power but is it still relevant in a world where we await Project Scorpio?"

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IRetrouk3621d ago

Its a good question, this was xbox ones trump card, turned out to be a load of hot air, what was it again? 4x the power or something?

Gazondaily3621d ago

Crackdown is supposed to use cloud tech so if it works as they have shown, that's impressive proof of it working.

On a more basic level it means more dedicated server support. Titanfall ran butter smooth because of Azure and if Titanfall 2 suffers if it uses EA's servers, there will be hell to pay.

A lot of Xbox titles use dedicated servers whereas many big Sony titles don't. That's quite a big argument in favour of the cloud imo.

jessionpc3621d ago

Server support means absolutely nothing when faced with big sis hopping on netflix while your playing your internet game.

People gave this crap too much hope, it had absolutely no chance of working. SOMEDAY it does, when the internet is a far different place. But now? Haha... No.

What happens the moment mom downloads a movie? what happens when dad downloads a porno? What happens when your girlfriend/wife is power searching? What happens when your kids are playing on their consoles?

It was a lie. It was bs spinned specifically to fool... Well... Fools.

mozzie3621d ago

@jessionpc even the cheapest routers feature bandwith management. just turn down the bandwith for your sisters netflix and put game service like xbox live and psn on highest priority. and btw, last time they said that crackdown 3 will only need 2-4 mbps bandwith.
http://www.icxm.net/x/crack...

Genuine-User3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Have you played Star Wars Battlefront online? It takes less than 20 seconds to join a match.

Edit: What on earth are people disagreeing with? lol

Proof:
https://youtu.be/jveQ1HPt0V...

Gazondaily3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@jessionpc

You're basically asking 'what happens when my Internet is shit'...its not rocket science, if your Internet sucks, the game won't work well online, just like any online game!

What next? What if there is a power cut?

Crackdown is the clearest example of the cloud doing something many haters said it couldn't. Let's see how that fares.

Rude-ro3621d ago

@septic
Crackdown is the clearest exampl of pr.
There is not one single consumer that has touched that game yet.
The year this game releases is the exact same year the new gen Xbox releases..,
That pretty much solidifies the talk was hype and pr lies.
IF it works, it will not be impressive on the Xbox one.

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gamerswin243621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

And yet gamers on Sony enjoy their mp games just as much UC4, COD blk ops, etc never give me any issues when im playing online, its buttery smooth for me. Its also a fallacy to think dedis dont have issues like lag, that just isnt true. Does it generally have less noticeable lag? Yes but it isnt making this crazy big difference of night and day.

The cloud in general has been complete bs. Crackdown isnt showing us anything super impressive or something that cant be done on other consoles contrary to what some of you want to think. Its glorified dedicated servers using compute. Add to that that Crackdown is taking forever to come out and wasnt even shown at E3, that doesnt bode well. Seems like Microsoft is having issues delivering on their promise. Lets look at past bs, lies and PR spin from Microsoft in the past and doctored up videos to show something that just wasnt represebtative of what they offered

1) Is Rrod an issue on xbox 360? Microsost answer: No it is not a wide spread issue (taken to court forced to correct affected close to 50% of launch consoles)
2) Milo showed off and looked great along with actors and doctored videos. Result: Kinect was an abomination and half the time didnt work or recognize gestures or voice commands. Later worked better with xbone but removed.
3) xbone sold with kinect gamers ask for it to be removed due to pricing. Microsoft response: Its tied to os and we cannot remove kinect bcus then xbone wont work. Complete bs they later removed it when Thy saw Sony destroying them in sales.
4)Hololens: Crazy cool looking videos, making it seem super immersive lol Later preview articles started coming in on how the videos aren't representative of hololens and has crap fov. Microsoft pr machine goes to work and shows mini video of what fov should or would look like.
5) DX12.... Gamers hope..... Nuff said we know how tht went.

Sorry man their track record speaks for themselves. They like to lie and hype things up but what consumers get tend to be nothing like was offered.

gamerswin243621d ago

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boa...

Heres your butter smooth titanfall yet tons of gamers on forums have complained about lag and teleportation on forums.

I agree dedis are better but they arent perfect.

UltimateMaster3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

My question is, did it ever matter?
If so, when and which game had benefits?

nix3621d ago

gotta admire Septic for his effort.

Kryptix3621d ago

The fact that Crackdown 3 wasn't at E3 to show off more of this tech shows that they must be having problems keeping it stable in a live environment.

The amount of consistency to keep the cloud running is gonna be ridiculous. It isn't just internet speed, but a bad latency or lag spike can mess up processing output and possibly freeze up whatever object is being processed. Just like in MMOs, you don't see NPCs complete actions when you have a lag.spike, they just stand there then teleport to where they are positioned within the server.

The cloud.was a whole PR stunt to get people to believe the Xbox One was capable of this untapped power, but with the new Scorpio, it has to be something weak and ironically resource heavy.

Gazondaily3621d ago

@gamerswin

You opened a 2 page forum thread of people complaining about lag as proof that Titanfalls servers weren't smooth?? Wow talk about standards.

You can do that for virtually EVERY game!

@Kryptix

And how do you know Crackdown wont be shown at Gamescom?? Like it was shown off last year?

Tell you what, I'm bookmarking this thread. Come Gamescom and the release of Crackdown, we'll see the results. If it works, prepare to eat royal crow.

If not, I'll humbly do the eating.

Lets see 😉

agame9143621d ago

No it's a myth and a lie soemthign MS has a tendency of doing

Kryptix3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

@Sceptic

lol Right, let's play this "let's wait for X" game once more.

I also never said it wouldn't work in any way, I said that it would take a lot of power and consistency itself to run it smoothly on the user's end. Plus outputting the processing power that they said, (13 times) for the average internet user is bull. It's not just a small packet that you get back, it's a stream of packets to keep up with any new changes. And these packets get larger the more data (power) you'll be transferring. You're going to constantly upload and download all this information that any breaks will freeze the objects onscreen as it will be unfinished or delayed data being sent to the RAM and GPU memory.

Oh man, when your room is far away from the router, the delay is gonna look so stupid. You were complaining about the delay in player input data during multiplayer? Watch out when you need a constant stream of data for destruction. Those rockets you shoot at a building? They need to be outputted into the server first, processed, then brought back all in one second so a bad latency like I was saying is a huge factor.

But hey man, go ahead and bookmark all of this into your N4G Memories folder and keep staring at it till then. Right or wrong, I won't be coming back here. You think everyone lives alone with a 20mb speed connection. Nah... Even I have problems with a 50mb download speed
connection, it's something called ISP throttling. Remember that.

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Sunny_D3621d ago

I'm still waiting for this cloud power for Crackdown 3 and... Hmmm nope nvm that's pretty much the only game. 😂

Dabigkahuna763621d ago

Crackdown 3 is a Scorpio launch game it's gonna blow your mind

gamer78043621d ago

hot air? forza games having been using it and been very successful, so not many games using it really but crackdown will. Cloud combined with Scorpio could lead to some really amazing games.

andrewsquall3621d ago

The Tekken style "Ghost Data" is another form of smoke and mirrors in Forza's cloud PR babble. And you have sadly fell for it like so many others.
So if you have a friend who CONSTANTLY brakes and comes to a stop in the road every single race or CONSTANTLY scrapes his chassis against the barrier of a circuit, that is exactly the way his "AI" car will act?? No it won't, the game will set that AI car to a "Easy" difficulty and just follow the rules the AI usually does in the game. Its people like you who think that the car will act exactly like your friend does without stopping and thinking about it for a second.
YES there is a form of data recording going on here but NOTHING like what you think it is and that hasn't been done before (like in Tekken as stated above).
Its like the people who thought the relay race in one of the Kinect sports games was mind blowing until I said "why don't you do a hand stand and see what happens". They were so disappointed when the truth of the gimmick was revealed to them (the game character just does an awkward slow jog in case you didn't know not a 1:1 handstand in game that actually would be impressive).

gamer78043621d ago

@andrewsquall Wow talk about putting words in someones mouth. Please tell me where is said the car will act exactly like your friends driving? or any specifics actually. Its not using the cloud to the extent crackdown is, but it is using the cloud to an extent to provide a more realistic driving experience. The AI difficulty determines part of the attributes and how it drives. The drivatar cloud ai data determines "tendencies". Not sure where your kinect reference came in either, its like you read a sentence, start driving straight and then take a hard right on "La La Lane".

BossBattle3621d ago

Microsoft is very much concerned about the clouding business in many forms. That's why they just bought Linked.in for $26.2 billion. They wouldn't spend that time of money if they didn't see a future in the cloud.

Rude-ro3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

That is not the point. The cloud is a target.
The point was from day one they were trying to convince the Xbox ones power would be increased to the equivalent of 4 Xbox ones in order for consumers to think they would have more power for their purchase... 3 years in and not only has it not been proven, they are releasing a new console to provide more power. That is the solid proof that they lied about the cloud and 4x the power per the Xbox one.

@BossBattle no. Just, no.
It's coming next year, it is called Scorpio.
If you can not put together the simple math here, I feel for you.
It is not going to happen.
Consumers waited three years for their Kinect to work as advertised and Kinect 2 did not even deliver.

BossBattle3621d ago

@Rude-ro

This gen is not over, so it's just yet to be seen. Nvidia has proven cloud computation works in test videos. That's something they're also working on also. But just like how Sony shows you games not coming out for 3-5 years, let's allow MS the same time grace period especially for a technology this advance.

jcole973621d ago

Have you seen crackdown 3?

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TheCommentator3621d ago

No, the cloud adds 20 additional consoles worth of processing power, for physics, to the XB1 in Crackdown. That's still more than 4 Scorpios worth of extra compute for CD3's physics. Does cloud still matter? Of course the cloud still matters, because extra power is extra power no matter what system it's added to! Plus, the cloud itself gets better with time just like processing power does, because bandwidth will improve over time too.

Why is this even a topic of discussion? It's like talking about MS leaving the industry; it's just nonsense. Cloud processing has many benefits, especially in online gaming where people are already connected anyways.

OT, what's with all the butt hurt in this thread? Kinda reminds me of a bar fight...

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DragonbornZ3621d ago

Disappointed there was no Crackdown 3 at E3, but if they need more time to get the tech right then so be it.
Hope the beta is still happening in the summer tho.

Need this level computing to take off, even if on a smaller scale. Could see a lot of games benefiting from that much processing power.

jay23621d ago

where is it? where's crackdown 3, what else is using it? why not just make every game have it on pc and consoles so we don't need 4k consoles etc out just a box that streams the data over a decent connect......oh wait some people dont have fiber

Gazondaily3621d ago (Edited 3621d ago )

Crackdown is coming next year. It's the first title to use this pioneering tech. If it works well then you can bet others will do so too.

Rude-ro3621d ago

No.
It means Xbox Scorpio will hopefully be able to do what they lied about in the first place. Remember Kinect? Even the second one never did their original sales pitch.

gamerswin243621d ago

Like Dx12 right? Lol haha smh

Trez12343621d ago

Pioneering tech? Or pioneering pr?
That demo was just damage control, same with hollolenes.

For a game using a " pioneering " tech, we haven't seen it since that pure pr demo. It's really funny, if Sony or Nintendo were doing what Microsoft have been doing this gen they'd be crucified. But hey, they have fans who will believe anything they say.

DragonbornZ3621d ago

Microsoft makes it a habit of making their stuff sound like theyre the greatest in the world, but this simply just needs more time.

I'd imagine it's an incredible challenge for the developers.
Yall keep shitting on their years hard work though. The day the game/beta comes out and game outlets are blowing yall up with crackdown 3 cloud news 24/7 is gonna be the devs the best day of development.

chrisx3621d ago

Teh Powa of teh cloudz...we want moaaa

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot26d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle25d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7725d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7730d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300031d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7230d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit30d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania31d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit30d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0730d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr31d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box31d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr30d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9531d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7230d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--30d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7230d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket30d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm30d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde30d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_31d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted31d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit30d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9230d ago (Edited 30d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT31d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers31d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14930d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0730d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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