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Microsoft butchered its E3 Project Scorpio messaging

Who is the Xbox Scorpio going to be for? Microsoft had a really tough time answering this seemingly easy question at E3.

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UltimateMaster3601d ago

They announced it the same time they announced the Xbox One S.
They literally killed off all potential sales of that Xbox One S by announcing the Scorpio.
Then they wonder why they are struggling...
Does Apple tell you the features of the IPhone 8 at the same time as the iPhone 7? No, because people will wait and buy the 8 over the 7.
BTW, yes, I do have a business degree.
The Xbox One S does 4k video and upscale games to 4k, something Microsoft promised when they originally launched the Xbox One, they had 3 years they could have added those features in but they didn't.

darthv723601d ago

You may have a degree in business but this is more about common sense. There are two target demographics. And like previous generations where you have a entry level system and a high end... they can both coexist.

Like when people were still buying ps2 slims for their kids while others buying the ps3 for themselves. And both did well for themselves.

Now unlike that example, the games for xb1 work across the board. New comers can get the xb1 for cheap and when they want to upgrade to scorpio they can. When they are ready.

And those features that could have been added... ps4 could have had them as well. Neo is getting them and people will buy it for them as well. Sony will have an entry level ps4 and a high end one so same game different players and its likely going to turn out okay just like for MS and xbox.

TheLEGENDofTydo3601d ago

The only reason anyone will buy a S instead of waiting for Scorpio is if their system broke or they don't own a regular Xbox 1 (which will be few sales for this reason). There is literally, figuratively, and imaginatively no other reason to buy one

nix3601d ago

The reason both consoles didn't have those 4K n new Bluray disc format is because it was not out two years back.

As for people buying Scorpio, I've seen 10 ppl here get hyper over it. I've seen 100 ppl get excited on Quantum Break and see how that turned out.

Those people who buy 2 consoles do exist but they're in minority.

onanie3600d ago

anyone with commonsense would ignore an xbone/slim if they already have a gaming PC.
anyone with commonsense would have the reasonable choice of upgrading their PC rather than buying an xbone/slim (if they really wanted to play ms exclusives) and have the added benefit of being able to play all other non MS games in higher fidelity.
anyone with commonsense would also have the reasonable choice of waiting to see the value proposition of the scorpio (when the price is finally revealed) compared to similar PCs, before deciding to buy it (or not).

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81BX3601d ago

Phew! This guy has a business degree and despite all the people on here saying theyre going to buy the xbox one S, he knows you really aren't.

Sm00thNinja3601d ago

Says who i preordered mine immediately

GamingIVfun3601d ago

Most of the people buying an Xbox One S own Xbox One already and are Xbox/ Microsoft diehards. Won't increase the number of games sold, just selling hardware that makes very little money if any.

maybelovehate3601d ago

It was kind of odd that it was announced at all. Not sure what they gain by announcing it now.

BossBattle3601d ago

Killed off potential sales huh?...but the preorders say otherwise.

Rude-ro3601d ago

They said the same thing about the original Xbox one release and you still can buy a day one. Do not believe the pr spins.

PistolsAtDawn3601d ago

So people ONLY buy the most recent and most expensive phones? Or are you saying that people will line up around the block for the most powerful new console? Or that maybe phones and consoles aren't the same thing?

souldestroyer143601d ago

It's called transparency. Microsoft wants to sell the xbox one s but at the same time they don't want to piss people off that buy the s and "alienate" them by holding off on announcing the scorpio and releasing it shortly after they launch the slim model xbox one. They are giving people options and gave the people all the info they need to know about scorpio(6tflops, vague release date and full forward and backwards compatibility ). It's actually good business Mr business major

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souldestroyer143601d ago

They have games coming they just don't announce them 5-10 years before they are released. Why promote games that are hardly past concept when they have exclusives coming out this holiday season and early 2017. It's not a contest it's a business.

DarkHeroZX3601d ago

Honestly the announcement of every Xbox game going to PC is what killed the Xbox for me.

Xavy3601d ago

See that and the Xbots hates you for telling how it is, they want you to love MS no matter what =D loool

maybelovehate3601d ago

Why does it matter? Games are games. Play them where you prefer.

DarkHeroZX3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

Pistol I'm gonna have to disagree with you. See when MS' press conference first started i was highly interested in the Slim up until Scalebound was also confirmed for the PC. That basically killed it for me. Then the Scorpio was announced towards the end and it really confused the heck out of me. I don't even get MS' strategy anymore and I feel as though October's NPD sales won't change at all for MS. So what your pre-ordering the console? I am no longer interested. This amd the Scorpio will only appeal to the diehards within the Xbox community looking ro upgrade. However they have now given PC and PS gamers absolutely no reason to switch over. See Neo's market is still going to be vaild simply because Sony has legitimate exclusives. But MS litterally told PC gamers to buy and PS4 along with their PC and forget the rest. PS4 gamers or gamers who dont want to support MS as much as they can can build a PC, get a cheap windows 10 key, and they are set. See even if I hated Sony and PlayStation but really wanted to play their exclusives I know I have to give in and buy the PS4 or its never gonna happen. But for MS it ain't gonna happen.

And before you say "Oh but MS gets paid either way," Yeah they do but on consoles there is soo much more potential revenue. For every 3rd party game sold on Xbox or Xbox Love store MS makes money on top of exclusive. They make money for every controller, collector's edition, Xbox live gold sales, etc. that they lose out on making wayyy more revenue then just the exclusive game sale on Windows 10. And honestly with all games getting a free PC code I'll just see if I can get that from my friend lol. But MS dropped the ball on this. And while everyone is focused on Neo being inferior to scropio and the Neo potentially struggling, people need to stop and realize that MS is the one who may ultimately suffer. Because at the end of the day a high end PS4 that plays PS4 games with better performance and visuals is still going to attract that enthusiast market. But smart enthusiast looking at Xbox may just build or upgrade a PC.

PistolsAtDawn3601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

The did NOT literally kill all Slim sales, I pre-ordered mine the same day. On Amazon the 2tb...not even the 500gb $299 version...is THE top selling console right now....so the $399....NOT the $299 version of the Slim is selling more than any other console on Amazon. Not to mention, even if someone does NOT want to go all in for the Scorpio for gaming...the Slim is still the best AND cheapest 4k Blu-Ray Player with HDR on the market...so even for people that have absolutely NO interest in gaming, but want a 4k Blu-Ray player they can grab the Slim. On top of that, Scorpio comes out in a year, so yes, I will get the Slim so I can play upscaled HDR games until then.

Downplay attempt failed. Do they let you return your business degree via email too?

n4rc3601d ago

No.. but they give you the specs of the 7 and 7s..

Damn damn thing..

super_bruno3601d ago

"BTW, yes, I do have a business degree. " -UltimateMaster

Oh boy....

antikbaka3601d ago

there is 2DS and New 3DS XL ...somehow ppl can buy wgat they prefer and it's ok

sho0ok3601d ago

This is not like IPhone 7 & 8, it is more like 7 and 7 plus. One is for the casuals with standard specs, the other for the geeks with better specs.

Nothing confusing In This matter, unless your too dumb to understand, no offense.

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Lennoxb633601d ago

Phil Spencer said at the beginning that the Scorpio will provide uncompromised 4k and VR for gamers. If you like those things you'll like the Scorpio. Stop acting stupid, you know exactly what MS' message is.

Xavy3601d ago

Phil says alot of things and forgets that he said some other things and backtracks on things etc etc. Dont believe everything some corporate dude tells you.

Sunny_D3601d ago

Remember how he said he wasn't a fan of upgradable consoles and then people started trashing Sony when the NEO rumors surfaced only to shut up when they realized MS is doing the same thing as Sony. Hell, with all the games going to PC, they are pretty much leaving the console business.

Manic20143601d ago

@Sunny_D

I think you mean he stated he's not a fan of mid generation upgrades, instead of taking half a step he wants to take full step, which I believe Scorpio is.

souldestroyer143600d ago

Like maniac said. He wasn't a fan of the one.5 idea and scorpio is no 1.5 it's 4x as powerful.

Kiwi663601d ago

You can't when its the same DJ playing the same tune over & over again just to be a pain

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Software_Lover3601d ago

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The same people that write these blogs are the same people that said PS3 is doomed are the same people that said Microsoft will leave the console business. IDIOTS.

Dabigkahuna763601d ago (Edited 3601d ago )

How many articles they gonna create like this is anyone asking Sony or Nintendo what's they reasoning for releasing new consoles while they already have consoles out

Fin_The_Human3601d ago

I just said the same thing.

Its a shame that Scorpio is talk of the town because other great things that were announced at E3 are being over shadowed by some many Scorpio MS articles.

I mean the hot page always has one or two Scorpio articles....its enough to drive a man crazy!!!!!!!

Kiwi663601d ago (Edited 3600d ago )

Well these articles do keep getting submitted by those who have made it their new mission to find every article out there about it , more negative than positive , but eventually they'll move onto something else

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot2d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

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they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk771d 20h ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

Nuvem1d 23h ago

Where is the remake?!!!

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk776d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Dear team,

Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster30007d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv727d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit6d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania7d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit6d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot076d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr7d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box7d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr6d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire957d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv727d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

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What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv726d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket6d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm6d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde6d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster926d ago (Edited 6d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_7d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted7d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit6d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster926d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT7d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers7d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz1497d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot076d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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