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Microsoft Steals Sony's Thunder With Scorpio But Will it Pay Off?

VGChartz's Daniel Carreras: "Will this cost the Xbox One sales over the next year? Potentially. Whilst details are sketchy at best at the moment in regards to Project Scorpio, chances are most mainstream gamers (those who don’t go out of their way to read gaming news online) are only going to take-away that key headline - that a new, much more powerful Xbox console is coming next year - and this could delay their purchase for another 12 months.

So why did Microsoft choose to reveal Project Scorpio so early if it may cost the firm sales? To control the message of mid-term console improvements."

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ScorpiusX3628d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

Got me getting both new Xbox console as they release . ( who knew that getting myself both units of my preferred console would be so down voted , but whatever )

Cindy-rella3628d ago

Microsoft stole the thunder of the xbox one s with the scorpio. The ps4 is trouncing the xbox one and will continue to do so for years.

poppinslops3628d ago

Have fun looking at those sales figures - we'll be looking at Red Dead Re4K... as for the One-S, it's not really marketed at current XO owners - it's just an updated slim model, same as last-gen.

marquisray3628d ago

Where ia the neo now it was ready to ship but since microsoft didnt show or said hardly anything so got scared. Sony is stuck because they dont wint to hurt there fans lol if they added anything else to compete with what microsoft said we all or you sony fans should bo the neo will cost more, so even if you all cry they are trying to satisfy you all lol but the fact is microsoft have enough time this time around to make there beast. Of course sony now will say graphics dont matter but with the ps4 and one it did. This will be funny especially if Microsoft lets sony go first next e3 2017. Xbox s and Scorpio day one for me

kneon3628d ago

@poppinslops

What are you going to do for the 18 months until then?

And what will you do when Sony launches their post-Neo upgrade a couple years from now? It's pointless arguing about console power as it's just going to flip flop every year or so from now on.

OoglyBoogly3628d ago

@kneon

It will continue to flip flop hardware wise while Sony will still continue having the best exclusives.

poppinslops3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

@kneon: Right now I'm waiting for the Neo - I was gonna get a PS4 for Uncharted (and Bloodborne), but those leaks actually ended up saving me some $$$ (which will go towards a NX)... I've no interest in VR, and with games like Horizon: Zero Dawn, Persona 5 and Wild delayed to 2017, I won't be missing out on much between now and then.

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Jburr943628d ago

Amen. Microsoft lost badly and are trying to use their PC market for success.

jmc88883628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

A new red dead in 4k? That'll be tough on Scorpio. I don't think it'll be possible. Scorpio and the CPU just aren't powerful enough. Neo pretty much impossible.

On Scorpio? Lowest settings, 20 FPS... maybe. But at that point, just use the power to make it a rock solid and beautiful 1080p experience.

Scorpio is just a couple of toes in 4k, it's not going to do it completely competent. 2013-2015 titles won't be patched in (though maybe some dev does us a solid on a couple of those games), 2016 is maybe, 2017-2020, these games are using a lot more power that would support it, but they're going to need much more power.

Say you had Battlefield 3, 4, and 1 all next to each other, at 4k, Battlefield 1 is likely to be twice or more harder to run at 4k than Battlefield 3. Battlefield 3 could hit 4k/60 on scorpio, BF4 likely could with dips and maybe a setting or two turned down. BF1? Likely 30 FPS which means it likely won't be able to. Then future iterations launching 2018 or so for BF5 or BF6? See my point? BF5 will use more power than BF1 and BF6 alot more than BF1, and even now I don't think Scorpio could get BF1 at 4k/60.

I don't really expect any open world games at 4k on either new console, and if they do, it's going to be some low settings and 30 FPS with dips. Not very doable. But maybe it'll be done, since some people can accept a consistent 20-25 FPS with an occasional 30 FPS from a game on 'below low' to 'medium' settings at 4k. I just don't think that's a good starting point for a new console.

The best way to put it is that even the Scorpio will have a harder time with 4k/60 by a good margin than Xbox One did trying to hit 1080/60. Neo even more. So it's just a couple of toes in 4k, while PS4 and XB1 firmly had a full foot in 1080.

mEATgrinder3627d ago

Power is power. And Scorpio will trounce Neo

Silly gameAr3627d ago

@poppinslops

You excited for a game that hasn't even been announced yet? I thought xbox people only cared about games that are already announced and have a release date for this year.

Mrveryodd3627d ago

thanks Nostradamus , while you are looking into the future and all that , any chace you can get me those lotto numbers for next week

nix3627d ago

I stopped reading at VGChartz. Sadly others didn't and are wasting their time.

UltimateMaster3627d ago

Sony's reply with exclusive games showed off Microsoft why you should own their console.

BattleAxe3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

@ Cindy-rella
"Microsoft stole the thunder of the xbox one s with the scorpio. The ps4 is trouncing the xbox one and will continue to do so for years."

Microsoft obviously knew that PS4 Neo was going to release this year. and so they couldn't let it go unanswered. The Xbox One S is going to replace the old Xbox One, and it's a cheaper console to make. It also upscales games to 4K, just like PS4 Neo is going to, and it will release in August, which if marketed properly in the U.S., Canada and U.K., will steal the thunder from PS4 Neo.

If Microsoft had not decided to release the Xbox One S, then Sony would walk away with all the hype later in the year, and the Xbox One would have seemed stale by comparison. Keep in mind, that all Microsoft did was make a few useful improvements, but they're still using the same hardware, and they've got a nice product that can be used for 4K video and 4K game upscaling. Microsoft can market Xbox One S along side the PS4 Neo, because they can do the exact same things more or less.

Fast forward to one year after PS4 Neo's release, and Xbox Scorpio now makes the PS4 Neo redundant. Scorpio will be the only console capable of native 4K gaming, and it will have the capability of running Oculus, which will show a much higher level of graphics detail over PSVR.

This puts Sony in a pickle, because what do they do to compete with Xbox Scorpio? It's only been 3 years since the release of the PS4, and they're already releasing a major upgraded piece of hardware, going from 1.84 Tflops to 4 Tflops. Will they release yet another upgraded piece of hardware a year or two after Xbox Scorpio? If they do, that would be three completely different hardware iterations within a 6 year period, with some, and perhaps many PlayStation owners already upset about the PS4 Neo coming only 3 years after launch of the original PS4.

I think when you look at the big picture, Microsoft did some potentially massive damage to Sony, but it wont become apparent to most people until Xbox Scorpio comes out. I think it's already apparent to Sony, and one of the clues was the fact that they didn't show PS4 Neo at E3, which is not normal for Sony, especially if they are releasing it this year. Most people watching Sony's conference agreed that the end of their show looked like it was altered from what they had originally planned, because it didn't exactly end with a bang.

Kryptix3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

Soon, Microsoft will find ways to combine Windows 10 OS and Windows Store games sales with Xbox numbers.

Man, the Xbox brand is an embarrassment.

As a PC owner, I'll give them respect for going multiplatform and releasing all the "exclusives" on that...don't have to miss anything.

candystop3627d ago

For me the announcement of Scorpio was a breath, of fresh air. Tons of potential on the power side and VR front. Now hopefully MS starts to listen and put money into its own studios instead of going the simple 3rd party route. As far as the show goes, it was Sony who brought down the roof because of games. I've stressed this before that MS needs to restructure within itself Instead of letting go of studios. Phil needs some help and in doing so maybe they need to let go of some old baggage.

ScorpiusX3627d ago

If that kind of news makes your day then by all means enjoy yourself .

Gol3m3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

@meat grinder
Games is games and Sony will trounce MS ;)

therealmacoy3627d ago

I think we are all seriously missing the point to all of this... I doubt Sony is worried, they are already in a great spot because they have what matters.."the games". The proof is in the install base, so you can argue all you want but the numbers are facts, not opinions. In the end xbox couldn't manage to catch those numbers even at a lower price point because of that simple fact (the games). So remind me how a more expensive console is supposed to combat the "main" issue here? Why would I buy the scorpio if it games are still lacking? Again proven by the install base = facts. Maybe I just want a more advanced system to play the same limited library... This will easily be a case of the PS2 verses the xbox/gamecube. People bought the PS2 because it had "the games", power was not the main issue because it had what it needed to get the job done, again "the games". (I'm not saying that Xbox One games suck but appearently they aren't influencing the sales, as shown by the "numbers")

I would love for the PS4 to be really powerful but if not, oh well, because as proven with the PS2, all it needs is "the games". Again the PS4 install base proves this no matter what anyone says because the numbers = facts. Honestly I don't care what console wins, i'm just tired of the stupidity, denial, and blatent disregard of the "CLEAR" facts that are sitting in everyones faces. For the last time, the numbers = facts, not ones hopes, dreams, or opinions.

Just like with the XBox 360, in the beginning it had the games and was holding the WIN for quite some time until Sony caught up. It wasn't the power of Sony's console that caused them to catch up, it was it's vast library of games ("Exclusives" included) that caught them up. It was something the Xbox team started to neglect for quite some time and it bit them in the butt. Maybe if they would build and hold onto their first party studios and put out games exclusive to their console, would the table possibly be turned right now but they keep axing companies off.

This goes for putting games on the PC too, it is hurting them. They need to make people from all areas see that their console and "it" alone is important. That is how they will get sales and that is how they can start on a long road of "catch up". But of course this will easily fly right over those filled with denial.

In the end, if love XBOX that is cool, If you love Ps4 that is cool, and if you love Nintendo that is cool. We have got to stop denying the "clear" facts here. I have a PS4, XBOX One, PC (980ti), and plan to get the NX when it comes out (glad i waited). I game everywhere and because of that it is much easier to see the facts.

its_JEFF3627d ago

I love how the fanboys are already making claims at being "more powerful" and being all around "shitty" and continuing this mythical online war all while non of these two new systems are even out with any games to show for it... doesn't make much sense if you ask me, but girls will be girls lol

donthate3627d ago

I think this is the first time, MS has turned around the negative sentiment since 2013 which is quite surprising. There has been so much negativity, but despite that it has sold pretty well.

With a lot more positive reception this time around, MS is poised for a come back. Bring on the monster and 6 Terror flops to strike awe into every gamer.

RedDevils3627d ago

@poppinslops so you stop playing those games because the leaks? LMFAO hey next time I give you a head up and leak any new games just for you hahaha

poppinslops3627d ago

Well yeah, of course... why would I buy a PS4 now when the Neo's gonna be out by Christmas?

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Aceman183628d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

When it has exclusives I really want to play and release with a price of 200 I'll buy one, but since I don't foresee either of these two scenarios happening I'll guess I'll just stick with my PS4, WiiU combo as I sold my X1 yesterday.

@king

Lol I'm good like I said if and when MS finally shows me games that really pique my gaming interests I'll stick with the combo of consoles I have right now.

@Edd

Why would I get Neo if I'm already playing great looking games that are performing well on my current PS4? Agrees/disagrees don't matter much to me lol.

Kingthrash3603627d ago

Should have kept the xbo. ..it's ms final console. Might be worth alot someday.
The scorpio isn't a console it's a dumbed down pc.

Gazondaily3627d ago

Love the insecurity the Scorpio has caused. Read the nonsense above. Xbox is MS' final console, Scorpio is a dumbed down pc yadda yadda.

Complete nonsense but amusing to observe nonetheless 😂

Utalkin2me3627d ago

@Septic

Funny how you like to make fun of peoples opinions and observations. But never imply any of your own. You're a embarrassment to the comments section.

Complete nonsense but amusing to observe nonetheless.

Gol3m3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

@Utalkin2me I said the same yesterday. It's funny to watch a wannabe journalist like Septic. He is so biased (something that isn't a great attribute for a journalist). He is just a advertisement and I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to get money from MS with his piss poor blogs praising up everything MS. We all have biases but his and a few others just go full retard. I just come to point and laugh at him and a few others.

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Eddoes3628d ago

You should have said you're getting the PS4 Neo along with your PS4. You would have got more agrees and less disagrees here on N4G. Sony Ponies on this website are so salty.

RosweeSon3628d ago

No because that would also be pretty pointless why get 2 of the same console (essentially the same) mix it up a little.

Eddoes3628d ago

@RosweeSon Even you got a disagree. You should have typed what I said.

Sloth-Eater_3627d ago

I think because there are a lot more Sony gamers in general, there will be more Sony fans in most forums. Also, a lot of Xbox fans went back to Sony after the Xbox 1 release.

Silly gameAr3627d ago

Calling someone a Sony Pony is as corny as pappy calling the Scorpio the monster. smh.

Eddoes3627d ago

@Silly gameAr Its not like I look forward to calling people that but there are actually people here on N4G that let Yoshida ride them like ponies and they accept anything he says even if its a blatant lie. I dont mean Sony fans, I am refering to the bat sh1t crazy fanboys that think Sony is the best thing because of sales. The people that get offended and down vote my comments are usually Sony Ponies.....why else would they get offended and salty? You may not want to admit it but this website is infested with Sony loyalist that would spin any story (negative or positive) in Sony's favor so they dont seem like they made a poor choice in the piece of plastic they prefer.

Silly gameAr3627d ago

@Eddoes
"You may not want to admit it but this website is infested with Sony loyalist that would spin any story (negative or positive) in Sony's favor so they dont seem like they made a poor choice in the piece of plastic they prefer"

Oh, trust me man, I'm with you there and agree wholeheartedly, but that goes for both sides.

RosweeSon3627d ago

Oh I always get disagrees nothing new there ;)
I just don't have any particular allegiance with anyone and can't stand biased bollocks being spouted around like gospel/facts. Comes with the territory I suppose but hey ho it's only my opinions normally I'm just a bit too forthcoming with them sometimes.

bluebenjamin3627d ago

Whats crazy is when you read a playstation article you dont really see a lot of xbots talking mess about ps4 but the ponies always trample they way into an xbox article when nothing but negativity

extermin8or3627d ago

See whereas I am building a pc and will sell my ps4 and get a neo (purely because my ps4 has a bloody loud fab and it seems based on the noise produced by friends ones; that it shouldn't and it's annoying). No point getting the Scorpio as every game will be on pc anyway here on in.

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Liqu1d3628d ago

That's so surprising coming from you castillo. /s

Sunny_D3627d ago

It's obviously him lol

ScorpiusX3627d ago

Did you think I wasn't going to get either of them , Come on now I have to support & will always support my preferred plat .

RosweeSon3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

Yeah because you'll need 2 consoles that do the same things.

ScorpiusX3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

Its never is about need but about support & want

@Blade92 Not a PC gamer yet nor do I want to be one anytime soon . but if the Xbox stops existing then i will go that way till then am good.

@Inzo i will get my Xbox one S in Aug and enjoy it on my 1080 TV , then once Scorpio release i will get it plus a 4K TV , I need not say anything to justify anything .

ChiefofLoliPolice3628d ago

That's stupid why would you do that? You would be better off getting a PC which is a better long term investment regardless.

Plus I'm not starting to see a reason to own a Xbox at this point. While it is good to have choices, it pretty obvious where MS wants to go with gaming and that's PC.

Inzo3627d ago

Well thats just silly. So basically what you are saying is you will buy a 4k tv and then buy the Scorpio to get better visuals and 60 frames and buy the xbox one s just so that you can remember what it was like gaming on a weaker system.

Gees I swear, some of these xbox fanboys will say anything just to justify the xbox' existence

extermin8or3627d ago

@battles: however there is no way xbox Scorpio is coming in under £500. It will be at least that if not more. Then throw in the occulus rift- you might aswell just get a pc now and the HTC vive or rift now. After all AMD'S new graphics card the rx480 which I expect is what net's gpu will be based upon- has for the price- very high performance. Xbox exclusives also all launch on pc here on in so they don't even have that card to play. They have described xbox Scorpio as like a preconfigured pc model. What does that remind you of? Oh ofc steam machines and look how well they all sold.

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holtzy3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

they need to drop the price significant to have any effect. most people are not going to spend six hundred us for a new console. at that price you a new computer is a better option. plus neo is only to be around 400 us

Lennoxb633628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

Stop projecting your knowledge as if the majority of gamers know as much as you do. This is the problem with N4G users. How many average gamers actually know that their are new cards (or even know what a graphic card is) coming out that can run games better than consoles a little cheaper than before.

Even if you brought these products to their attention they'd still be left out. They wouldn't know how to put it together. Or that they would need more than JUST a graphics card. You're out here telling people all they need is a card, and you're going to have people frying their computers. You need a power supply, a CPU, a case, RAM, etc. Parts of which they don't even know exist.

N83628d ago

I agree, I'm not a PC gamer it's to much work.

Erik73573628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

It's not hard to build a pc dude. If they can't do that they are probably not mature enough to be in the pc community anyway. "it's tooooo harddddddd" Kids lol...

You need a power supply, gpu,cpu, ram, motherboard , and a harddrive. That's it...... hurts your brain or something? It's not like making a car kid lol

Miss_Weeboo3628d ago

lol, What you are saying is so funny

holtzy3628d ago

nope i never said people need a specific part try actually reading the comment. i said most people are not going to spend 600 on a new console and yes you can buy a 600 hundred dollar computer that is just as powerful for the same price. all Microsoft is trying to sell you is a win10 box

Bigpappy3628d ago

What happens if M$ takes a loss and sell the Monster at the same price as Neo?

jessionpc3627d ago

If they don't know what exists, they are factually retarded.

I knew more about my first gaming pc when I was 11, than I've known about ANY console that ever came out.

Do 10 minutes of research or dig a hole, and lay in it.

assdan3627d ago

That's why if you intend on building a PC, I'd assume you'd look up the parts you need...

JackBNimble3627d ago

If you can put lego together then you can build a pc, it's very simple and there are hundreds of vids on youtube to tutor anyone.All you need to do is a little research and you will find that building a gaming rig or any pc is so very simple.

rainslacker3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

You're right. All you need is a expensive new console instead. It's easier. People aren't going to be inclined to look up how to put in a much less expensive GPU into their PC just to save a few hundred dollars. I mean, console gamers are more than willing to shell out big bucks for convenience.

So how about this. Stop projecting your assertions as the general rule that will be adhered to. Assuming the system is $600, in 18 months, you can likely buy a pre-built PC which will be just as powerful, if not more powerful, as GPU prices are about to drop significantly by Q1 2017.

There are many scenarios that can play out, and I have to agree with the OP...most people aren't going to shell out $600 for a new console. The hardcore maybe will, but the hardcore isn't the market that MS needs to capitalize on. The hardcore are already more likely to buy their console either as a primary, or a supplimental purchase.

MS needs to focus on it's game portfolio, and start attracting a more diverse set of gamers. Not just saying they are doing it, but actually doing it with games that actually attract people's attention. That is the only way their console will succeed, that is the only way their Win10 UWP initiative will actually work. Without the diversity to attract different gaming markets, both their console, and the Win 10 store, becomes redundant except for actual MS exclusives(brought or otherwise).

MS problem isn't power. It isn't price. It isn't because people want a unified ecosystem with PC. It's because of games, and the OP is right, it's easy to just plop in a PC with the only knowledge it takes to get working available on numerous youtube channels, or heck, just ask the guy in the PC store. Pull out the old, plug in the new. Outside of some screws on the case itself, it really is as simple as a standard console. Even Windows when it installs sets everything up for you online...just like a console....even more so for pre-built systems.

In the meantime, if people are actually intersted in MS exclusives...which most seem they aren't now given that the console isn't selling as well...and don't care to purchase a console just for those games, the PC offers a nice alternative for them to save money. MS comes out ahead due to having a larger customer base, and that's good for them. It doesn't do much for the xbox console itself though, nor does it make an expensive console more appealing given that the choice is actually more appealing on what will likely be an equally priced PC. MS comes out ahead. Works out for the consumer with an occassional interest in MS games, Does nothing for the Xbox console brand itself.

extermin8or3627d ago

AMD'S nee rx480 is likely to mean you will be able to buy prebuilt models at 500-600 with a good bit of kick in them...

Gol3m3627d ago

@big pappy it still won't matter as they don't have the software that Sony does. Which is strange as they're touted as THE software company

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Fin_The_Human3628d ago

I like how you automatically put the Scorpio at a high price point when it releasing next year and the Neo at a low price point :)

Must be fun to live in your world.

Erik73573628d ago

It's common sense, if it's a 4k capable console then it's going to be expensive, Sony neo is not that. Yes it's improved but it's not like 4k gaming improved.

It must be fun living in your world being able to think your gonna get 4k hardware dirt cheap, don't think his world is as fun as yours. 😂😂😂

_-EDMIX-_3628d ago

I mean not really the hardware that they've announced in the Scorpio is indeed very high-end

The rumored upgrade to PlayStation 4 is not as high and as Scorpios so of course someone is going to come with the concept of being at a lower price point because I see no reason for Microsoft to release Hardware selling at a loss to make it cheaper , that's also optional , of content that's also appearing on PC.

it kind of doesn't make any Financial sense.

BiggerBoss3628d ago

@Fin

You keep saying Neo is going to be weaker than Scorpio, so why wouldn't it be cheaper? Common sense man.

SpaceRanger3628d ago

In the real world the weaker console is usually the one that is cheaper. Just because people paid $500 this gen for a machine with no hardware innovation, doesn't mean that Sony will do the same for Neo if the specs are what they say.

Goldby3627d ago

Fin scorpio is Xbox 2. Neo is mid gen upgrade equivalent to the Xbox One S.

One S and neo have 4k media playback. Ps5 will most likely relelase a year or two from now when 6tf is super cheap to do so they will most likely bump it up to 8-10tfs.

Microsoft is just jumping on the next generation early to try and secure sales. That didnt work for them in 360 days and it most likely wont work for them this time. An analogy i use is a car can have 1000+ hp but it if doesn't have tires it still wont move.

Ps4 neo is a 600 hp car with tires.
Scorpio is a 1000hp car without tires right now.

The scorpio has the power but nothing to show it off. If i had a choice between multiplatform game looking great on xbox or looking good on playstation but also have exclusives that look amazing (god of war, spiderman franchise) that will sell the console.

Inzo3627d ago

You are living in lala land if think the Scorpio is going to be anywhere under $500 +.

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magiciandude3628d ago

It already paid off the moment it was revealed at E3. This is a HUMONGOUS MEGATON unlike anything before!!!!!

WeAreLegion3628d ago

/s?

I can't tell with this site anymore.

OoglyBoogly3628d ago

Let's be honest, have you ever been able to tell?

Concertoine3627d ago

Ever since Spotie left magiciandude has had nothing better to do than troll.

TKCMuzzer3628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

Really? I will not be rushing out to buy it. Without any true exclusives anymore it would be easier for me to buy a PC to go along with my PS4 as the PC game versions will be cheaper.
P.S, it was not really a megaton, it was leaked in a couple of weeks before.

TwoForce3627d ago

Yup, you're truly gone full Xbot !

WelkinCole3627d ago

Like how you guys said BC was a megaton last year and then the PS4 continue to outsell the xbox?.

iTechHeads3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

Not really.
Make it as powerful as you want but with the OG Xbox One holding everything back, it won't make much of a difference. That's why Phil Spencer is telling people not to buy it if they don't have a 4K TV. Most likely devs will just render at 4K, which is nothing spectacular.

Master of Unlocking3627d ago

Exactly. Microsoft is stuck with only two options there:
1) Making sure all the games developped can run on both the original XBOX ONE and the XBOX Scorpio, and thus having to cater to the lowest common denominator (the base XBO) will result in just normal games for this gen, just like the ones found on the PS4, nothing that can really stand head and shoulders above the others, thus no incentive to buy the Scorpio for the consumer, or...
2) Making more impressive games that can run only on the Scorpio and thus ditching the base XBO, effectively launching the new generation of consoles very, very early, with all the problems that that implies (loss of the consumers' faith in your brand then deemed as too changing, like Iphones & stuff, difficulty to get the goodwill from all the 3rd-party developpers to go the extra mile to make your version of the game better than the competition's, run the risk of having the most powerful console on the market for only a couple years, at which point the competition comes up with a much more powerful hardware, to which you can't reply with an even more powerful hardware since you just introduced this one 2 years ago and consumers would totally abandon you)

Gol3m3627d ago

But is it AAAAAA like all the Sony games revealed?

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Hoffmann3628d ago

Microsoft steals no thunder from Sony. It just makes even more people play games on PC soon I think.

Fin_The_Human3628d ago

This is what I don't get.

Must PC gamers hate W10 with a passion and have slovenly swears that they won't upgrade from W7.

So I guess either way MS accomplished what they set out to do since everyone is now playing MS games on W10 ;)

Good job PS fans!!

_-EDMIX-_3628d ago

I'm not sure where you're getting that information from I'm a PC Gamer and I have a hard drive with Windows 10 on it sure I game more on Windows 7 but that doesn't actually mean I hate Microsoft especially when you consider I'm still getting sea of Thieves on PC and likely Halo Wars 2 on PC...

I game on both PC and Playstation simply because it offers the most variety among the content that I cannot find anywhere else, Microsoft has decided they want to bring games to the PC which actually means there is no use for me to ever even consider getting an Xbox One or even an upgraded Xbox consider I'm upgrading my computer for the final release of Star Citizen and Dawn of War 3 so why would I be having a beast PC, get a lesser console?

For what? The gpus that I'm looking at far exceed with the Scorpio has inside of it into my understanding unless the Scorpio is going to be getting dawn of War 3 or Star Citizen it's irrelevant for me to actually consider it . Microsoft has put themselves between a rock and a hard place those that can afford performance are clearly going to stay with PC those that want to play specific set of titles again are still only going to stay with PC.

The biggest factor which is Microsoft itself has been taken out of the equation when you realize that Microsoft themselves are putting their games on PC so why should I buy an Xbox again?

It's top exclusives are all coming to me so why should I purchase an Xbox?

The actually only appeal I see from Scorpio would be for those that are fans of Xbox that want a more powerful Xbox or those that cannot build a PC or do not want to own a gaming PC that want to have the extra performance but I find that is a very very small percentage of Gamers.

I still like that Microsoft is giving the option but I do not see this as a game changer. The more high-end you go the less Gamers you find purchasing.

If Gamers were into high-end performance like that technically speaking the best-selling gpus would have also been the most powerful and that's statistically not really the case

Thatguy-3103627d ago

Everyone? OK hahaha delusional.

WelkinCole3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

I am just saying that I will not need a xbox consle going forward because Windows 10 will have all xbox games.

I got an MSi Apache pro with a GTX960m 4gig card. It runs most games ok so that is fine with me.

Its a laptop for work because I do 3d scene processing using Pix4d for drone imagery.

Considering what you can do with a laptop/pc and the price point. It makes sense to buy/upgrade them than buying a specfic console to play games available on Windows 10.

rainslacker3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

@Ed

The new thing is that Windows 10 is now a sale for MS. While that is technically true, and good for MS, and as you state, good for you as you get the option to play the games your interested in without a hardware investment, MS fan boys have been trying very hard to make any windows PC game sale as a Xbox CONSOLE sale. This has been going on since the whole UWP thing started.

All they're really celebrating is their console becoming a Windows 10 device, not Xbox being it's own thing. Xbox console is now just a means to access a service, and it's brand identity is being swallowed by Windows 10. MS is using the Xbox brand name to sell Win 10, and their fan boys are helping them do it.

Also, while you may harbor no hate for MS, you can't honestly say that the PC gaming community doesn't have a bit of hostility towards them. Or maybe you don't hang out much in those communities, in which case that's cool. Play the games, enjoy, and be happy.:)

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Next_gen_20153628d ago (Edited 3628d ago )

@_-EDMIX-_

Many people will say forget the scorpio and go PC....But PC platform has glaring problems. Bad ports, hackers and controller putting you at a disadvantage against M/K players. Consoles all day for me

Hoffmann3628d ago

That counts for a small minority of games. The most versions however, even ports are better than the console ones. Just compare Witcher 3 on PC with the console versions already or the Fallout and Oblivion games with all their texture mods and other type of mods that will never be on consoles. Hackers are a problem in many console games too these days.

Next_gen_20153628d ago (Edited 3625d ago )

Hardly...

DarXyde3627d ago (Edited 3627d ago )

Scorpio's announcement was indeed a big deal. It'll become more apparent how so in the coming months.

For now though, I think it's a wash. I think people might want a Scorpio more right now depending on when it releases, but Sony still built up a ton of anticipation with the games shown off or talked about (seriously, they started their conference with God of War and held back on the Indies).

Assuming Sony revised the end of their conference to cut out Neo, it might be reasonable to suggest they're improving the specs, if the rumored specs are valid, that is. And if they are, it's perhaps more reasonable to suggest that they WERE.

I guess we'll see. It's good to see people just excited about the future for gaming. I'd say E3 was an alarming success.

kpanda3628d ago

Microsoft steals thunder from Sony? Did you just try to pass off that nonsense as a fact?

Sunny_D3627d ago

It's vgcharts lmao. Their writing is as good as their tracking of sales.😂

Pongwater3627d ago

Yeah it was the other way around. MS did fine but Sony took it up a couple of notches.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai26d ago (Edited 26d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio26d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing26d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9226d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit26d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing26d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9226d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Koei Tecmo Announces Record Financial Results After Releasing Many Big Games

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay28d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn228d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn228d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown28d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay28d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay28d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac27d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger28d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300028d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde28d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde28d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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