Xbox May Have Just Ended the Console Wars

rlow13498d ago

Well by changing the game it doesn't necessarily mean your totally out of it.............just adding a new wrinkle.

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Cindy-rella3498d ago

By moving the goal post, lol. Silly rhetoric about how system sales doesn't matter while hiding the sales of the xbox one and its software sales.

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DragonDDark3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I agree with Cindy. MS isn't sharing its sales like Sony/Nintendo. They are just bringing user numbers & stuff which is pointless imo.

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nX3498d ago

Microsoft is still heavily lacking fresh, interesting IP's. I'm not buying a console based on TFLOPs so if they can't come up with better exclusives than this & last gen I don't see the point in buying a Xbox over a much more versatile PC.

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Kingthrash3603498d ago

Why is it that xbots are touting how xbox will dominate in power when it absolutely will not.
It made a new direct competitor in pc, sharing the same games. Sure it will be stronger than the ps4 but the ps4 is no longer it's direct competition as far as scorpio is concerned. Also wait until you see how much it costs....the underpowered xbo costed more than the ps4... how much will at above average powered pc hybrid cost?
MS just fucked over all its xbo owners in so many ways that it's hard to see them try to justify it.
Ms is trying to sell win10 not xboxes...people who buy xbox for xbox games can goto pc...people who hate xbox but like xbox games can goto pc....and people who already own a pc don't have to buy a xbox at all to play it's games.
The only reason xbox ex-exclusives are on pc is because they no longer make money on console. They took a huge loss in xbl sub count due to people jumping to ps4 and I don't see ps4 owners jumping to scorpio for its high price and small games library.
Lastly it better to go pc when you consider you no longer need to pay for xbl.
Ms knows this but they just want to sell win 10...that's it....that's the goal here.

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kneon3498d ago

@feju

Why do you think Sony won't also have more frequent upgrades? They both will.

So when the Scorpio launches it will likely be the most powerful console, but then Sony will announce their own even more powerful console shortly after. And then a couple years later Microsoft will launch another one and so on.

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gamertk4213498d ago

I guess Sony players will actually have to play games now, instead of deriding Microsoft in every article comment section. Can they do it?

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sonarus3498d ago

Well, at least they are no longer going to try to sell us on the cloud voodoo and dx12 wonder

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UltimateMaster3498d ago

It's obvious Microsoft is trying to be the next Steam on PC.
It won't happen.

On the flip side. Since everything seems to be future compatible and backwards compatible, this would benefit PlayStation and Microsoft.

Let's say someone buys a PS4, then he decides he buys an Xbox One Scorpio (or vice versa). A lot of people just buys one console, but since it's like a semi-generation, then may end up buying both ecosystem and have the opportunity to play exclusives on both platforms.

The only thing here is that Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot for releasing games on both Xbox and PC. It literally gives no incentive for current PC players to even buy the next Xbox console.

Now you could talk about cross-buy and cross-platform play and bring your save files with you on both system.
But that has already done before... with the PS Vita and both the PS3 and PS4. Look how that turned out.

The Vita lacked exclusivity to make it stand on it's on two feet, most games were brought to either PS3 or PS4 as well. The idea behind it was to give you more value, but at the end of the day, people are going to play their games on the most powerful system available to them.

On some point, the Vita had an edge of being a portable console, so you could play your games on the go.
When it comes to Xbox One and PC, it's either Home Console or Another "Home Console" not counting laptops.
So it brings no value to waste money on another device that does exactly the same thing and plays the same games.

If you want to sell Xbox consoles, you need console only games. The way I see it, they want to stop making Xbox.
They wouldn't call it Project Scorpio for no reason. Bill Gates (who is a scorpio) wanted everyone to play on PC and was against the idea of a console called Xbox. Now it looks like they're quietly exiting the console market.

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GameNameFame3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

MS lost and quit.

It has become Steambox. It didnt change or evolved. SteamBox has existed for a while now. and it has been a flop.

@feju

Lol. Sure. Everyone is hating about a hardware that has no exclusive. Or no reason to own. Only salt you are seeing is from people crying from too much laughter.

Also, I thought MS dont need to upgrade their hardware?

Cause you know cloud was going to upgrade their power. LAWL.

Where are Xbox fanboys now on Cloud Powerz??

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guitarded773498d ago

Well, I'm not sure if this new console will fix the sales thing for them. It's gotta be pretty expensive, and from what I've heard from most gamers, they're not ready to spend again... especially if they can still get the same games on their current hardware. I understand MS and Sony are cashing in on the 4k market (VR too, but I see 4k as the target), and the adoption rate for 4k won't pick up for a couple years.Even then, I have doubts.

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callahan093498d ago

@feju: (quote) "The new XBOS sure looks eyegasmic, attractive price too." (unquote)

Attractive price? I don't recall them giving a price.

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Tobsesan3497d ago

Why isnt Sony sharing active user numbers, are they really low? Console sales will always go up while your active users might go down month over month.
Guess noone plays on ps4. Fun fact: Sony showed almost no mp games at e3, while almost all ms games are mp focused. Guess its still the lonely station after all. Why make mp games if noone is playing them, right?

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beerzombie3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

They are trying to create a one Walmart of video games.

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Playable_Gamez3498d ago

So you believe in console wars? Pathetic!!!! hahahahhahahahhaha

Goldby3498d ago

Thats your psn i wanna check your trophies

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Retroman3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

@feju
Console wars still going on??? that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooo 2006-ish

it should be : i bought such-an-such becuz of games they have to offer.

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Orionsangel3498d ago

Reggie would disagree with you. Nintendo says they're not in competition with Sony and MS. Which is complete BS. They only make this sort of statement when they're in third place. When the Wii was kicking ass. Reggie was bragging about how they were beating the competition. Sony and MS.

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Overload3498d ago

"Xbox May Have Just Ended the Console Wars"

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Keltech3497d ago

Lol that was hilarious. along with that title

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game4funz3498d ago

Thanks, i was hoping xbox would be taken out. Now xbox gamers can rest in peace from all the haters.
I certainly hope ps fans stop crapping on the xbox since according to them its out.

Hopefully now we can all focus on games instead of sales.

Doabarrelroll3498d ago

Of screw off buddy and quite acting like their aren't Xbox fanboys trashing on PlayStation, this isn't a one side thing. The fact I see Xbox fanboys(not so much here but on other places like YouTube) claim the Xbox Scorpio is then end of ponies and PlayStation, says otherwise.

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rainslacker3497d ago

Sure MS gamers will find Steam and GOG gamers more inviting. If you want to talk about some MS hate, Sony fans are pre-school in comparison to how much they loathe MS.

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Fin_The_Human3498d ago

Nintendo?

Bro if rumors are true Nintendo is pulling away from the tratioanl console market and the NX will be a console / handheld device which will use cartridges.

Even Sony with the Neo is looking to break that traditional 6 year console BS.

Yes Sony killed this gen with the PS4 and MS as company has to always look think ahead and realised that they have market shares in both the PC and Console market so why not fuse them togheth instead of competing with each other.

Its a move that I am surprised MS did not make a long time ago and partnering up with Valve is a genius move since they both have something to gain from the partnership.

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Aceman183498d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

It ended for me as I sold my X1 yesterday to my friend for her son's graduation gift. MS has disappointmented me one too many times.

@smart guy below

Look up zero cool 108 that's my gamer to since the original xbox buddy. I'm not some silly little 6 yr old fanboy like you it seems.

DLConspiracy3497d ago

How is supposed to play something that never existed? Pretty cold man.

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Obscure_Observer3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

@Thatguy-310

Not offence to you (and others) but...

As long as you and others keeping comming to Scorpio related topics, Scorpio and the Console war is is pretty much alive ;)

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XanderZane3498d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Don't think it's out of the console wars. If that were the case they wouldn't have created the XB1 S and Scorpio. Seems like they're are in it for the long haul, whether it's good or bad. They are expanding the XBox and Win 10 brand to become more profitable. Remember Apple started out with just the IPod. I still have the original, but now my family also owns an IPhone, IPod, IPad 2 & IPad Air. Most of them can all run the same apps and games. Microsoft it just doing the same thing. With Skype you can already contacts friends from the XB1 to M$ Surface, Window Phone, etc...

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WilliamSheridan3498d ago

Did you even read the article?

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ThyMasterDebater3498d ago

It just started another one really since it was losing really bad in the one that just started lol

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callahan093498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I'm just confused about this and the Neo and what the goal really is. I mean, eventually there will have to devs who want to make a game specifically for the power of the newer console and release a dame that doesn't come out for the Xbox One / PS4, and when that happens, don't we have a "new generation"? I just don't get how this is a good thing. If you want an evolving experience with jumps every year or two, I don't understand why you wouldn't just have a gaming PC and upgrade your GPU every couple of years.

Deadpooled3498d ago

Exactly, these new console occurrences have given MS a "get out of Jail free card, Sony were winning every battle of the console war but now Windows 10 has allowed them a way to escape. Using British chav rhetoric, Microsoft "flapped it".

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Zeref3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I don't think much has changed at all Xbox One is still a console. You still have to choose Xbox (W10/Console), Nintendo(Wii/NX/DS) or Playstation(Vita/Console). Microsoft just added a new platform(PCMasterRace) to the Xbox ecosystem.

so I don't get what you're saying. Is Xbox One not a console because Windows 10 exists? Then I guess Wii is not a console because the DS exists. And PS4 is not a console because Vita exists.

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Sweendog0073497d ago

They didn't get their self out of a console war that is made up by fans , for a start.

PlayStation , Nintendo and Xbox have re branded their consoles and platforms into exactly that platforms under a brand.

Think about it ?

Sony - brand , divisions within that brand,( tv , movies , games )

Nintendo - divisions in that brand ( gaming , toys , movies )

Microsoft - divisions within that brand ( gaming , software , tablets )

the gaming industry has re branded , you don't get a only on game now because each platform ( that's what Nintendo , Microsoft and Sony are ) , make multiple devices and products associated to that brand.

What tv adverts now say , only on playsation 4 or Xbox one , they don't , the say only on playsation or Xbox.

Xbox is a brand in the gaming industry - devices under that brand are - Xbox 360 , Xbox one , Xbox one s and the console next year , and Windows 10 store ( not PC as that is a machine )

PlayStation - a brand under Sony - devices in that brand are as follows , - PS3 , ps4 , ps VR and Neo ( vita too as it is still running )

No one is leaving the game market , infacf they are both re branding to gain a bigger share of the market by expanding their brand to reach other users. It's not hard to understand. And makes sense

The last real gaming war was Sony and Microsoft with playsation 3 and 360 , why because the market was limited to people and you didn't have that choice , 2009/10 is when choice started , tablets started to develop and phones too, allowing games to expand into new markets

Both ms and Sony are re branding in the sense more devices will be aviable under the Xbox market or PlayStation and offer more choice allowing games to be expanding that used to only on one machine to multiple machines

Why you think they refreshed the consoles? To slim versions to keep sales going and gain new market shares , and at the time they done that things got smaller.

It's not hard to understand

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therealmacoy3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

I think we are all seriously missing the point to all of this... I doubt Sony is worried, they are already in a great spot because they have what matters.."the games". The proof is in the install base, so people can argue all they want but the numbers are facts, not opinions. In the end xbox couldn't manage to catch those numbers even at a lower price point because of that simple fact (the games). So remind me how a more expensive console is supposed to combat the "main" issue here? Why would I buy the scorpio if it games are still lacking? Again proven by the install base = facts. Maybe I just want a more advanced system to play the same limited library... This will easily be a case of the PS2 verses the xbox/gamecube. People bought the PS2 because it had "the games", power was not the main issue because it had what it needed to get the job done, again "the games". (I'm not saying that Xbox One games suck but appearently they aren't influencing the sales, as shown by the "numbers")

I would love for the PS4 to be really powerful but if not, oh well, because as proven with the PS2, all it needs is "the games". Again the PS4 install base proves this no matter what anyone says because the numbers = facts. Honestly I don't care what console wins, i'm just tired of the stupidity, denial, and blatent disregard of the "CLEAR" facts that are sitting in everyones faces. For the last time, the numbers = facts, not ones hopes, dreams, or opinions.

Just like with the XBox 360, in the beginning it had the games and was holding the WIN for quite some time until Sony caught up. It wasn't the power of Sony's console that caused them to catch up, it was it's vast library of games ("Exclusives" included) that caught them up. It was something the Xbox team started to neglect for quite some time and it bit them in the butt. Maybe if they would build and hold onto their first party studios and put out games exclusive to their console, would the table possibly be turned right now but they keep axing companies off.

This goes for putting games on the PC too, it is hurting them. They need to make people from all areas see that their console and "it" alone is important. That is how they will get sales and that is how they can start on a long road of "catch up". But of course this will easily fly right over those filled with denial.

In the end, if love XBOX that is cool, If you love Ps4 that is cool, and if you love Nintendo that is cool. We have got to stop denying the "clear" facts here. I have a PS4, XBOX One, PC (980ti), and plan to get the NX when it comes out (glad i waited). I game everywhere and because of that it is much easier to see the facts.

hadowajp3497d ago

I actually doubt the games even matter to the majority , if that were the case xbox, xbox360, or the one wouldn't sell nearly as well as playstation (insert corresponding number here) or Nintendo system. Hype sells to the masses and playstation has it (and the better hardware at this point)

Also with going to the x86 architecture R&D is a thing of the past so releasing a system every few years means nothing

trooper_3497d ago

These articles are getting stupid now...

vegasgamerdawg3497d ago

What Nintendo/Sony console war? WiiU vs Ps4? Pretty sure MS still has a console also...let me check...yep they do. Also, hardware sales don't matter when it comes to profit fanBOY's, the money is in the software, it's in the games young ones. The ignorance on N4G never surprises me. Little brainwashed sheep serving their corporate masters....lol.

Erik73573497d ago

Oh it sells 1 unit for every 4 ps4 units sold...winninggggggg

IamTylerDurden13497d ago

It's an xbone with an upscaler...

My TV does the same thing, so if i hook an old xbone up to it i magically get all the amazement of AN XBOX ONE S.

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FallenAngel19843498d ago

There's still going to be a console war. No matter what Microsoft does, consumers will still see PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo consoles being sold in the same market and most often have to choose which to buy

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Dyldog693498d ago

Totally. The only reason if any to get this is if the price point is lower than equivalent pc and if ms does partner with steam and doesn't limit itself to ms store

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NostalgicBroom3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Steam summer sale hype!!!

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DLConspiracy3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Its gonna be PS vs. PC again. Glad to see the gamer hatred is back to its roots. Lol

Nightmar3Demom3497d ago

Play God of War on your PC. Oh wait, you can't......that's because it's NOT a console. Read the article, or maybe just the headline.

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freshslicepizza3498d ago

judging by the comment sections and how heated things are more than ever i don't think the console wars are slowing down at all. in fact its getting even more heated.

game4funz3498d ago

agreed...once the reality that all xbox exclusives are on pc is fully in effect...and there are still people buying the xbox in the millions...im not sure what sony fans will come up with next.

First it was the price point....people still bought the xbox
Second it was the actual number of exclusives....people still bought the xbox
And now its the lack of excvlusives....people still buying the xbox

Wonder what the next argument for not buying an xbox will be.

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Erik73573498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Yea with your dumb comments, there is no console war only with butt hurt Xbox Fanboys.You had the worst analogy and terrible grammar in one that I saw! The iPod touch is noticeably cheaper than the Iphone, the iPad has its own advantages over iPhone, a Mac has multiple advantages over a iphone, and a iphone has multiple advantages over Mac and other devices! This Xbox Scorpio has no advantages compared to high end gaming rig, only disadvantages!!! You get all its exclusives on pc now , the Xbox live community, and the steam community on PC, and you will be able to get it cheaper. The only thing Xbox Scorpio will have is paying to play games online and a Xbox logo slapped on it. It's a constricted PC. If it's truly a 4k capable console it will be around $1000 dollars.
Imagine selling a iPod Touch for the same price as a Iphone, that's what Xbox Scorpio is a constricted dumbed down iPhone for you to buy at the same price, it's only bought for little kids not old enough to have a iphone 😂😂😂 .

We also know what it's going to be priced around because of common sense and history that is that you can build a pc that is just as powerful if not more for the same price once it launches. Only after the console that has been mass produced for 7 years does it begin to become cheaper than equivalent PC hardware but by that time that hardware sucks!

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freshslicepizza3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

@Fries1223
"Yea with your dumb comments, there is no console war only with butt hurt Xbox Fanboys.You had the worst analogy and terrible grammar in one that I saw!"

how old are you, 12?

"The iPod touch is noticeably cheaper than the Iphone, the iPad has its own advantages over iPhone, a Mac has multiple advantages over a iphone, and a iphone has multiple advantages over Mac and other devices! This Xbox Scorpio has no advantages compared to high end gaming rig, only disadvantages!!!"

fine, what are they because it certainly wont be price compared to the same pc that plays the games at 4k. the xbox scorpio will also be a console which means no searching for firmware updates to your gpu and so on. this is why millions still perfer console gaming. you know, your ps4 comrades in the MILLIONS who still prefer playing games like fallout 4, witcher 3 and call of duty on their ps4, not pc. why is that, does the ps4 trump the pc in that situation? you guys flip flop more than a pancake with parkinsons. you want people think the pc/ps4 combo is the way to go yet don't want to suggest that means the ps4 is only good for exclsuives.

"You get all its exclusives on pc now , the Xbox live community, and the steam community on PC, and you will be able to get it cheaper. The only thing Xbox Scorpio will have is paying to play games online and a Xbox logo slapped on it. It's a constricted PC. If it's truly a 4k capable console it will be around $1000 dollars.
Imagine selling a iPod Touch for the same price as a Iphone, that's what Xbox Scorpio is a constricted dumbed down iPhone for you to buy at the same price, it's only bought for little kids not old enough to have a iphone 😂😂😂 ."

then why are you not excited with glee you get to play games like forza horizon on your 4k pc and every other xbox game? instead you keep talking about how terrible the xbox is which doesn't sound like a happy pc gamers. instead you sound like a ps4 gamer who thinks he now has better options but will continue to buy all your games on the ps4.

"We also know what it's going to be priced around because of common sense and history that is that you can build a pc that is just as powerful if not more for the same price once it launches."

then again why do people buy games available on the pc games for the ps4?

"Only after the console that has been mass produced for 7 years does it begin to become cheaper than equivalent PC hardware but by that time that hardware sucks!"

it's only been 3 years and now we have neo, i guess the original ps4 sucks then right? you guys spend more time talking about the xbox than your pc and pc topics are pretty empty with comments, i wonder why that is?

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Eonjay3498d ago

Even if the Xbox becomes more PC like and it become impossible to truly distinguish is from a PC on account of the fact that the two platforms share all content, there will still be PlayStation and Nx in the real console space and all companies' boxes will be subject to comparison which is all the console war really is.

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Majister-Ludi3498d ago

Only for losers with nothing better to do than argue over plastic. No such thing as console wars to actual people.

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DLConspiracy3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

@fries makes a point though. If you are a real gamer you don't play anywhere other than PS. It seems almost ridiculous to be open to other platforms with thousands of other games just waiting to be played when there is such a cult following and fan base with PS. If you don't blindly support PS you are not a real gamer. I mean they sold 40 million consoles. What more do you need to finally abandon the notion of gaming anywhere you can. Being a gamer isn't about games. #1 is all that matters. Every preference is solely based on what's popular. /s

I'm loving all the anger and concern stirred by scorpio. THIS is what gaming has become. Lol

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BossBattle3498d ago

PC was always a rival of the Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo too. Why else would we always debate on which versions were the best with comparison videos. Now PC and Xbox have become a couple.

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nitus103497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

When you talk about PC's what are you really talking about?

Most PC's purchased today are portables such as laptops and tablets which can vary in performance with a price to fit. In some respect, these devices have very little upgrade capability that being memory (usually expensive) and storage be it HDD or SSD. In many respects, the console is in competition with these PCs.

The only PC that can be said to be truly upgradable is the desktop and then only within what the motherboard allows, although it is possible to change the motherboard as well. In terms of overall potential, these types of PC's totally outclass consoles.

By leveraging Windows 10 as a unifying operating system Microsoft is hoping to blur the lines between PC's running its operating system and consoles like the XB1, XB1S, Scorpio and even mobiles. Will this be a good strategy on Microsoft's part? Only time will tell.

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rainslacker3497d ago

They compete, but they're mostly distinct markets in gaming. Mobile gaming is more competitive with consoles than PC is as a whole. Many people that used to play on consoles now only play on mobile. Actually it's not that it's really competitive, more that the mobile market was just more attractive to a segment within the gaming consumer.

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FreeSpeech693497d ago

All the downvotes from butthurt console losers (most likely downvoting ON A PC LOL). Personally I think console wars ended the day the PS4 was announced without DRM, there was no way for Microsoft to ever recover from that. Sony won the console wars but console market sells still down from previous generations (3 years in PS2 sold over 50 million units). Microsoft has basically turned Xbox One into a Windows 10-lite box (unless they add real exe game support). Nintendo is either going to continue failing in home console market or go handheld only (obviously with hdmi out). Sony will be last console standing but over time the interest in consoles will go down and down as core games go to PC and casuals go to Phone.

Seafort3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

I don't see the PC platform as a rival to the consoles. They are 2 distinct systems and demographics.

Consoles are a static and non-upgradable closed gaming platform and the PC is an ever changing open platform with far greater multimedia functionality not just for gaming purposes.

It was Microsoft that brought the PC platform into the fray to compete against consoles when they brought out the Xbox and stole quite a few PC exclusives i.e. Halo, Alan Wake etc.

And now they are trying to merge them into one platform, Windows 10, which is never going to work.

As a PC gamer I don't want anything to do with consoles or I would have bought one myself. I'm happy gaming on PC as well as play videos, music, mod games and many other things that I wish to do all on the one system.
I also have access to thousands upon thousands of games from the last 20-30 years.

I don't want to be tied down to a specific closed platform where none of my friends are playing. Microsoft don't have a clue what PC gamers want and value as it shows when they developed Windows Store and UWP.
They are trying to fix something that's not broken and I wish they'd just fk off and stay with their consoles to leave the PC platform alone once and for all.

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Orionsangel3498d ago

There's always gonna be wars online of some kind. Most people like to brag and defend what they own.

Dragonking0073498d ago

Not really, i officially consider xbox a third party studio that makes hardware from here on out might aswell release xbox and windows 10 exclusives on ps4 to just because itl make money.

titans99993498d ago

Fries 1223, if you are going to pick on people for their grammar, make sure YOUR grammar is in check first!
"An ipod, an iTouch..." etc...use the indefinite article "an" before you use a word that starts with a vowel please!

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Sweendog0073497d ago

The console war is still there it's just under a brand now instead of only on Xbox one or PlayStation 4

Ms are just bring their windows 10 store because it's not that successful into their Xbox brand

Xbox - a gaming brand under Microsoft

Devices under Xbox - Xbox 360 , Xbox one, one s , new console ( Scorpio ) , Windows 10 store ( that goings across devices from tablets to Windows users )

PlayStation - a gaming brand under Sony

Devices under PlayStation - PlayStation 3 , playsation 4 , playsation VR headset , and Neo

All devices on both brands are connected by their networks , psn and Xbox live

They have multiple devices now in a changing market , the gaming war is still there but now on a bigger scale as more devices mean more users and new markets to be explored from high end users , to tablets , mobile , VR users , causal gammers , 4K gammers and media people.

Anyone who thinks the console war is over or can't understand the change in both ms and Sony are living in the past

2005 to about 2010/11 you only had one choice buy a games consle , they all had internet on them , and played the same way

2014/16 - new tvs, new gaming chips , new ways to play online , new markets for developing games in tablets and phones

Gaming war is there it's on larger scale

jrshankill3497d ago

Microsoft announce 2 new Xbox One consoles.

Sony fanboys say MS got itself out of the console war.

Does it get any more pathetic? I honestly laughed my ass off at some of these comments.

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Silly gameAr3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I don't remember where I read this from but it said "if you can't win, change the rules." I think that applies here.

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DragonDDark3498d ago

What rules?

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ShowanW3498d ago

No rules in war...

RioKing3498d ago

Geneva Conventions

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Fin_The_Human3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

In order to present a unified PC and console market during the 2016 E3 Convention, MS made a little-known and very obscure rule change that could potentially give the XBox brand a boost and hurt it's opponents. The rule requires MS to win the majority of the approvals from eight different big name developers in order to win majority approval of the Scorpio PC hybrid. Without going into too much detail, the reason for the rule change was to keep the Neo from getting his name called on the convention floor. MS wanted to show the Scorpio unified behind one machine which will be the future if gaming for console owners. An unintended consequence of this change (if they keep it) for the anti-MS establishment is that it could help secure the Scorpios place in a changing moment in the console war. By having eight major developres to back them and the Scorpio, the rule could whittle down the Neo hype whose name wad not called during the E3 convention.

jrshankill3497d ago

What are you talking about? Did you dream this or something?

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madpuppy3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

In Microsofts case it's "if you cannot win, run back to the market that you dominate in."

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@bruce755
That is exactly right, OS and Enterprise Software.

Even though it is not as strong as it was in the 80's and 90's They still lead and can influence/force PC vendors to not ship a competing product (browser, office suite, default to a search engine other than Bing) They can also dictate terms to business customers because most are locked too deeply into Microsoft software and formats without drastically disrupting their business.

That is why MS will never do well in an environment where they are on equal footing with the competition. MS cannot "lock" you into using only the XBOX console. They cannot embrace, extend and extinguish standards if every console has it's own proprietary standard they cannot influence.
That was what the whole DRM and "trade in license program" was an attempt to do. To put themselves in a position to "protect" the profits of Big publishers and force the other console makers to step in line with their plans, thus becoming the gatekeepers to all intellectual Property in the console gaming industry. What a choke hold they would have had on Sony and Nintendo If they could have gotten all third party publishers on board with their plans and then the publishers could put pressure on Sony and the big N to tow the line. seems like enough of my gaming/consumer Brothers and Sisters Saw the play for what it was and we all fought back. (with the exception of the short sighted gaming morons and a whole lot of the bought and paid for gaming press who lauded this convoluted, twisted web of a nightmare that this DRM riddled "MS Azure cloud services" required nightmare that it was.
I'm so happy that all the smart gamers/consumers got together and fought this evil.

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SaveFerris3498d ago

Who won?

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Gaming_Cousin3498d ago

You seriously asking this question? You are the fuel to the fire bruh.. extinguish yourself a bit next time

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lelo2play3498d ago

Google and Apple are winning with their smartphones.

Stereotypical_gamer3498d ago

Apples and oranges dude, cell phones and videogame consoles are two completely different pieces of tech. Have you ever tried playing a fps with a cell phone? Cell phone games are , for the most part, gimmicky. You wave your hand at the screen and shit happens, no self respecting gamer is going to trade in his or her analog sticks for a glass controller.

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Playable_Gamez3498d ago

Mobile.

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bleedsoe9mm3498d ago

what do you win ?

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Jburr943498d ago

Sony won this gen. Any other stupid questions?

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JamesBroski3498d ago

Pittsburgh

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Dragonking0073498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

E3? Sony, game of the show? Nintendos zelda breathe of the wild. Microsoft announcing exclusive coming to pc and then announcing there next gen console for next year automatically says they lost this generation. That bad? No because thatl give Microsoft opportunity for a new start a solid start that thinks about gamers in mind and not some living room media system.

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rainslacker3497d ago

How about they think about their customers which brought the X1 already? MS has a long history of abandoning support as quickly as possible when something isn't selling well, going as planned due to other market forces(competition), or they want to force people to move on. Every iteration of DX for instance, Zune, OGXbox(although not entirely their fault), Kinect this gen, hardcore gaming last gen for the last few years, numerous versions of Windows, and the list goes on and on.

I'm sorry. I'd like to think that this is a fresh start for MS, and would love to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have much bigger ambitions to open things up to be something truly beneficial for the consumer, but their own long history, and their own actions make it so that is just not possible. I don't know why anyone thinks MS will always do the right thing. I don't know why people trust MS to support their products for the long haul. They have proven time and again, they just don't do that unless it's a successful product.

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Ogygian3498d ago

Ouya.

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conanlifts3498d ago

Ferris, they parked it in the garage, put it in reverse and rolled back the clock. Time to start again, i just hope no one knocks the jack off, because we all know how that ended.

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WelkinCole3497d ago

Who is who and what did he win?.

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RAM0N 3498d ago

Microsoft just made pc more relevant while xbox one irrelevant

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Lennoxb633498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Until you can buy a PC for $279 that can play every game the Xbox can play at the same level, it won't be irrelevant.

@Ysmir6723

-Very few of Xbox/PS4 games are at low settings or 720p.
-30 fps has been the standard for 3 gens. Pointing this out makes no sense.
-The consoles have way more than 5% of a PC's capability. Only things you can't do is create and use unauthorized 3rd party software.
-For $279 you get a machine that can play every AAA (and under) game as well as stream music and video.

@ONESHOTV2

"the point is why would you build a pc to match console specs ?"

Then you've missed my point. I was saying that you can't get a PC for $279 that can run all of todays games at the level Xbox is running them.

Ysmir67233498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

At low settings,720p,30 fps,60$ each year and 5% of the capabilities of a pc,for 279$ you are getting robbed.

@Lennoxb63
-720 30fps at 2016 is terrible
-Since 2007,1080p ulta 60fps.2011,1440p 60fps.20131440p 120fps.2015 4k 60fps.Your console standards,not my pc standards.
-Mods for all my 688 pc games,Design Visualization & 3D ,Tweaking each component of my pc like speed of case fans,registry,video editing,animation editing,microsoft office,adobe photoshop,convert all formats, audio projects,DRM removal programs,recover deleted files,accounting solution software,linkedin,Vector graphics editor,digital image processing software, Presentation creation softwareXpadder,,dual-panel file Manager,video monitoring system,Optical character recognition program and many many more.
- Nobody with brains is going to built a 300$ pc.All aim for 500 and more,because thats where the sweetspot starts.

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ONESHOTV23498d ago

Until you can buy a PC for $279 that can play every game the Xbox can play at the same level, it won't be irrelevant.......

the point is why would you build a pc to match console specs ? if you are building your own rig it has to be future proof and that's where consoles fall flat becuase they are not future proofed within 1 year they are outdated and sometimes even outdated before they hit the market this gen is an example.

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JamesBroski3498d ago

Their games are horribly optimized on PC. They don't give a crap about PC gamers. They obviously only pushing PC gaming to push Windows 10 faster onto gamers. They better make their exclusives damn attractive for me to even consider supporting their console and OS.

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conanlifts3498d ago

People are missing the big picture. As you mentioned you can't build a pc for the cost of a console. With the scorpio it will probably be expensive compared to a traditional console, but still not whole pc build expensive.
Pc gamers also get the choice if the new model takes off. If all you need is a new gpu in your pc then this might be the better option. But if you need a whole new rig for gaming the console wins.

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Playable_Gamez3498d ago

Yeah and why don't you go tell that soccer mom that wants to buy little billy a gaming console this christmas to buy him a gaming PC. Niggas don't know crap about consoles.

BiggerBoss3498d ago

You sound very upset. So soccer mommy must have gotten you an Xbox huh?;)

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Finch3498d ago

It made Xbox more relevant to me. Now it adds more PC games to my system. I'm a console player through and through. It just opened a new can of worms if you ask me. Now just imagine if steam comes and it looks like it is. Yup Xbox is going to be more relevant then ever.

RabbitFly3498d ago

The whole point of Xbox moving it's business across PC and Xbox both is to compete with Steam. Just like Phil is saying. They are moving the business away from hardware and trying to focus on software.

Chances of steam coming to Xbox is 0%

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XanderZane3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Especially if M$ can get the Steam app onto the XBox One and Scorpio. If that happens, I probably won't need to game on my PC at all. Microsoft will just need to at mouse/keyboard support for XB1 and we'll be all set.

@RabbitFly
Steam is Software. If Microsoft has been speaking to Valve a lot lately. I'm sure they would love to have some form of STEAM on the XB1. It would be a lot more sales for STEAM and Microsoft. I think there is a 50-50 chance of this happening.

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RabbitFly3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

@XanderZane Like I said, and Phil has been adamant about this, the reason they are unifying their PC and Console markets, is that they want to make money on Software. This is because there is very little money in hardware in the console business.

What that actually means is not that they want to make money from making software, but rather selling software, you know through their storefronts, because Microsoft will take a cut from everything sold through their storefront. Just like Valve does through steam.

Partnering up with Valve and letting steam on the Xbox would mean cutting out a big part of Microsofts profits, not only from their proposed branching into the PC market, but from the only market they currently have a monopoly on, which is the Xbox consoles.

The idea that Microsoft is speaking to steam is also unlikely and I have seen other people mention this as well. I would really like to see some kind of sources for this, because Gabe Newell is famously against everything Microsoft has been doing the last 10 years. It is of course possible, just very unlikely. Gabe Newell has a lot of strong stances that goes directly against the philosophy behind Microsoft's business practices.

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rainslacker3497d ago

MS is always talking to Valve. It doesn't mean that Valve will for some reason allow MS to take a cut of their profits from their store, and there is no incentive for MS to just allow Steam to have it's own store on the consoles and just give them a bigger install base to sell to when MS own store is there to try and compete with Steam.

On PC, MS is irrelevant to Steam, because Valve doesn't need MS permission to run their store, or sell their software. Given that the MS store, and valve sell much of the same software(or will), why would this be beneficial for Valve at all outside of putting it on console, which MS can get a bigger cut of anyways, and the software is likely to be limited to whatever compliance is made anyways, which means the devs already accounted for console release.

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Seafort3497d ago

You aren't getting any PC exclusives. Microsoft doesn't have any say on any PC games that's up to the PC developers/publishers.

Over the years Microsoft have published very few PC games as they are a console manufacturer and publisher now.

No one has said Steam is coming to Xbox. They might be making a deal for Xbox exclusives to come to Steam but neither Valve nor Microsoft have any power over PC games on Steam.
Steam is a store front that sells games nothing more.

It's just wishful thinking if you think you're going to get access to the thousands of games in the PC library on Xbox.

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XanderZane3496d ago

@Seafort
Dude, they've already gotten PC exclusves. Where have you been? Games like Diablo 3, World of Tanks, Minecraft, NeverWinter Online, Divinity: Original Sin, Smite, Gigantic, State of Decay, Rocket League, etc.. were ALL originally PC exclusive and are ALL now on game consoles. So yes, lots and lots of PC games will be coming to XBox One and Scorpio in the near future. I wouldn't rule out some form of STEAM coming to XB1, especially if Valve wants Win 10 games on STEAM.

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BossBattle3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

The Scorpio will be relevant day one.

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nitus103497d ago

Less so if you don't have a 4k display.

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XanderZane3498d ago

Not for me. Only PC games I play is usually MMO's. Play almost everything else on game consoles. I play more mobile and handheld games then I do PC games. LOL!!!

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conanlifts3498d ago

Not quite. They made xbox more of a choice for gaming than a necessity.

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XanderZane3496d ago

Yes, but for gamers who's priority is to play on game consoles, they will get the XBox Scorpio first. There were over 150 million gamers playing on game consoles last gen. We're not even close to that number yet this gen. Lots more game consoles to be purchased.

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hiredhelp3498d ago

There always be a war between platforms,im 37 remember this dating back in 8bit-16bit days

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Playable_Gamez3498d ago

People who believe in console wars are kids.

BossBattle3498d ago

Virgins believe in console wars.

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JamesBroski3498d ago

"bit don't matter"

agame9143498d ago

im wit ya

starchild3497d ago

There has always been murder, theft and war too, but that doesn't mean that rational people shouldn't try to minimize or eradicate those things.

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killer_goat3498d ago

Still no games. I have no interest in updating a console with so few exclusives. Ps neo all the way.

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Playable_Gamez3498d ago

Naw fam you should get a PC. It has the more exclusives than PS4 and Xbox One combined.

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bluebenjamin3498d ago

Although PC has the best settings its still isnt for every gamer.PC is not simple enough for some.I can imagine console gamer panicking when the game dosent display in full screen,or needing a certain driver etc etc. What I enjoy most about PC gaming is that you learn a hell of alot about computers

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ONESHOTV23498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

same thing i said but it was to sony why upgrade from my ps3 to a console that has few games lol you see how it works it can go both ways. this is the reason i have been a pc gamer for some years now

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ONESHOTV23498d ago

StardustLemon---"Besides the fact that it was one long barely intelligible sentence, you're also wrong" yeah i should suspected you would start with an insult it's fine you have proven my point becuase you didnt even answer what i have said. and in what world does the ps4 has more games than the ps3 lol you must have been drinking that mad dog piss sony is feeding you. i hope being a blind hopeful will help you in the coming years we will see what your favorite company has installed for you.

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Next_gen_20153498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Since xbox scorpio is coming out next year...the lack of games this year doesnt matter. Next year will be the deciding
factor on whether i buy the Scorpio based on the games MS have in store for us...

killer_goat3498d ago

Yeah but I want to play games now

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Next_gen_20153498d ago

@killer_goat

There are plenty of games coming out this year. IW, BF1 watchdogs 2 .....hardly a dry year for gaming. Btw god of war, spiderman and Days gone dont even have a release date. Dont expect them to come soon...

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agame9143498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

that might be the dumbest thing ever said on N4G. Achievement unlocked!!!

XanderZane3498d ago

Unless you're getting a PSVR, there's no reason to get a NEO day one.

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killer_goat3498d ago

That's the plan

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agame9143498d ago

PSVR runs fine on the original PS4...

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XanderZane3496d ago

@agame914
You keep believing that.

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BossBattle3498d ago

Microsoft/Windows/Xbox is more universal. Whether I want to game on the PC upstairs or downstairs with a console, I can switch seamlessly without losing any game saves, achievements, or rebuying the same games.

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ShadowKnight3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

They're not competing against Sony or Nintendo anymore.

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ONESHOTV23498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

what made you say something like that they are still in the console market it's just that MS has bigger plans than sony does this gen. you can't blame a company for trying to catch a bigger profit. i don't see how this would negatively affect the console it's a win win MS publish games on their windows store in return they talk to some mainly pc devs to port a few of their games back to the consoles so i think this is a good move by MS they are making money from both the console market and pc

rainslacker3497d ago

Would seem MS plans are aimed more at next gen than this one.

Imalwaysright3498d ago

How so? Last time I checked the X1 is still a console and the Scorpio will also be a console.

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q8kik3497d ago

If you consider Steam machines consoles too that compete against Sony and Nintendo then sure. Xbox is still a console.

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Imalwaysright3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

I wasn't aware that you could access Steam from the X1.... oh wait, you can't. Seriously, where do you people come up with this stuff? MS isn't leaving the console market.

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MaxCompiler3498d ago

The console wars (or the console market itself) will end only when Nintendo decide it. As long as Nintendo keep doing their thing there will be always competition.

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ninsigma3498d ago

If Sony and MS were to drop out of the console business altogether, I can see the console market dying. There just aren't enough people interested in their console anymore. I personally like the Wii U and 3DS but I'm not blind to see most aren't bothered with their home console. We'll see how the NX turns out. I'm hoping it's a great one!

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SeanScythe3498d ago

nintendo has nothing but 5 rehashed games they pop out like drugs in a crack house.

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ninsigma3498d ago

With a comment like that Sak, I don't think you're in any position to accuse anyone of being a kid. Grow up.

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agame9143498d ago

40 MILLION ps4'S SOLD?

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uth113498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

It's true I don't have to pick sides. I can play the rare MS exclusive that I'm interested in on my PC and never need an Xbox or have to pay for Xbox live

And stick with Sony for consoles (if they don't fuck everything up with Neo)

HawaiianDreads3498d ago

That's the route I'm going. I'm glad MS made this move, it's going to save me money for other things.

starchild3497d ago

Uth, I thought you hated PC and were done with it?

uth113496d ago

I hate the constant updates of PC. But now I see that MS and Sony want to fuck up consoles with frequent hardware updates too.. it wrecks one of the big reasons I was playing on PS4 over PC. So.. it changes the equation. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'll likely use PC more in the future rather than have to update multiple systems every couple years.

XanderZane3496d ago

With every PC game that uses Win10 coming to XB1, there's no reason to pay $1000 and buy a gaming PC. I'm glad M$ made this move as well. Going to save me thousands and lots of headaches. Now they just need to get STEAM app.

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ShowanW3498d ago

I see some valid points up here... But i also see a TON of dumb post...

Microsoft no longer has to post consoles sold, because they changed the rules, so it no longer matters.

If you want to play Microsoft games you will have a Xbox, one way or another.

Windows 10 is Xbox and Xbox is Windows 10.

Xbox is no longer a sole dedicated plastic box...its now a platform.

Xbox and PS will seemingly be lnked together as long as both do games... But they are now completely different products

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P_Bomb3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

They're not "completely different products".

MS is about to launch not one but two more of those "plastic boxes" you speak of.

PS games in turn have been accessable through Samsung TVs and other select devices for a while now via PS Now.

Games like Portal 2 on PS3 launched with PC copies included years ago. Even my iPhone doubles as a second controller (Beyond, Tearaway) and second screen (AC4, Until Dawn).

There have always been lateral movements.

ShowanW3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

xbox is now a platform not a static box..

base xbox, Slim (or S) , Scorpio, and PC... Consumers get to choose the box...this means it's not dedicated on one specific hardlined spec
And possibly one day Xbox via streaming through a web browser (anything but Edge I hope)

Microsoft just basically went away from "traditional" console method...
Sony is sticking to closer to the tradition, but giving it a face lift.

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agame9143498d ago

no you cant just "change the rules" reason why MS does not post how many consoles sold is because it's abysmal

ShowanW3497d ago

abysmal sales dont get you a bigger budget to build a Xbox Slim and Scorpio ...

think about it.. really... think about it...

agame9143497d ago

there pockets are deep but no there SALES are terrible thats why they decided not to post them anymore

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rainslacker3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Xbox is a windows device. Windows 10 is not Xbox. More apt, Xbox is Windows 10, but even that's a stretch if they keep it a closed system. Just because MS brands their games as XBL, and the games sold on the store as XBL or whatever, on PC, does not make windows 10 an Xbox. The compliance standards for UWP are pretty lax(actually almost non-existen), which means the games are going to suffer the same way PC games already do.

Xbox and Windows 10 are not synonymous no matter how much MS tries to blur the line. Using your logic, I can say my out of date Windows 10 phone is also an Xbox.

MS has given up on the hardware market, and changed to a service provider, who also happens to have a simple access device to play games on...no different than Amzon Fire or Apple/Google TV...except more powerful.

The writings on the wall where the Xbox console is not what it used to be, and eventually, the reality will set in when MS shows it's true intentions plainly like they always do when they drop support and change gears on a product.

P_Bomb3498d ago

Reading various forums post E3, it didn't end, but intensified. The debates surrounding games like Spider-man and the 2 new Xbone consoles speaks to that.

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NextGenCeo3498d ago

My guess Sony Playstation Neo coming December 2016. Xbox Scorpio coming December 2017 and Sony Playstation 5 announce E3 2018 and released December 2018.

Because Andrew House say same thing couple times `Playstation Neo not new gen console just higher spec PS4 console and in PS4 life cycle`
So i think they will totally end Xbox brand on console market with PS5 announce on E3 2018!

And already we was expect PS5 end of 2018 or 2019! So nothings change actually :D

And One more thing XBOX not a game console anymore. Just a Windows 10 machines under Xbox brand. So stop saying Console Wars. It`s already over.
(Sorry for English I`m ESL guy)

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thexmanone3498d ago

What makes you think there will be a PS5?

Shuhei Yoshida Reportedly Unsure If There Will Be a PS5.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

DarkZane3498d ago

What he said was pretty much BS, with the success of the PS4, it's pretty obvious there will be. They likely have already been working on it the moment the PS4 released (just like the PS4 was being worked on when the PS3 got released).

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feraldrgn3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I don't like these half jumps by any of the companies, Nintendo included with the Wii-U.
Imagine if they'd waited the usual console lifetime, we'd have more of a chance of getting max settings with no problems but as it is, I can see devs struggling again.

Sony are the ones who mentioned the idea of iterative consoles in the 1st place & that just gave MS the opportunity to throw all their money into designing a more powerful console than the rumoured Neo specs.
I don't know why Sony gave MS that opportunity, surely they knew that would happen.

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Dark_Knightmare23498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Because power has never sold consoles and it isn't going to suddenly start now

GamerXGATT3498d ago

Not everyone has a PC. And having the Scorpio as a Windows 10 capable box sounds like it would be a good move on microsoft's part. The xbox console will remain -- and even though it's a brand playable on PCs, how many parents go out and buy their kids expensive PCs with high end graphics cards these days? If they did there would be no need for consoles to begin with so the PS4 wouldn't have 40+m install base as everyone would play on their PC.

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magiciandude3498d ago

The console war is over. Microsoft won by a landslide. Well played Microsoft and Team Xbox, you guys are true geniuses!

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TwoForce3498d ago

No, Microsoft lose the war of console. More importantly, they are just accept the defeat.

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Dark_Knightmare23498d ago

Dude you don't even try anymore

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gazgriff2k123497d ago

LOL!

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Eddoes3498d ago

Im only here because I need Sony Pony salt for my popcorn.

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CaptainObvious8783498d ago

I have an enormous surplus of xbot salt, built up from the start of the gen.

You're free to have as much as you want because I don't see any salty sony fans, just bitter ms fanboys.

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Dark_Knightmare23498d ago

Right here is the perfect example of a fanboy post filled with delusion. Lets look at this objectively why would Sony fans be salty when their console is killing the competition and it's not even close, the upgraded ps4 is going to be out a whole year before the Xbox and most likely at a cheaper price, they just won e3 and showed a ton of exclusives to make a ps4 worth owning while Xbox showed reasons to not own an Xbox console and the ps brand is more beloved. So please tell me what reason there is for a ps fan to be salty and don't say power either because power has never mattered which is why the ps1,ps2 and wii outsold their competition while being the weaker system on the market.

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agame9143497d ago

whats worse is your MS fan when MS does not even belong in the console race buddy

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Jburr943498d ago

Sony has the console-only market wide open to itself now, while Microsoft is too busy trying to "innovate". Even if Neo is released, it can be marketed as a "slim-model" with beefier specs. If it is released this year Microsoft will be caught flat-footed and next year Sony could announce their own "Scorpio" or something even beefier.

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Chris123498d ago

So Sony going for annual updates to their hardware now? Dumb as rocks.

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Jburr943498d ago

No, PS5. Sony will continue generation cycles it seems.

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starchild3497d ago

Sony will not turn around and announce another console that soon. That would piss off gamers to no end.

The PS4 will have been out for 3 years by the time the Neo comes out. I'm sure they would want to get another 3 years out of the Neo. So we'll probably see the PS5 at the end of 2019 or later.

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Morgue3498d ago

MS ended the console war for themselves when they originally announced the X1 and have been irrelevant in the eyes of some people but in true Hollywood fashion. There has to be sequel, a feel good movie for ages where the fat kid loses weight, gets stronger, comes back to defend his turf and get the girl.......

TheColbertinator3498d ago

lmao possibly the best comment I've read in weeks +1

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PizzaSteve3497d ago

LOL good one

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PaleMoonDeath3498d ago

Losing to the PS4, so stretching themselves to more platforms in hopes to get more success that way, Microsoft lost when the reveal happened way back.

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Antifan3498d ago

MS 1st party games are mediocre in quality and lacking in quantity. Specs and high-end pixels won't fix their creative dilemma.
The PS4's slight edge in specs got MS believing that it's PS4's only reason of success. Wrong, quality games are the reason why PS4 is ahead of Xbox, not pixel count.

Majin-vegeta3498d ago

Exactly if MS thinks power alone will help win they're in for a rude awakening.If you dont have the content to back up your machine it means nothing.Ms relies on the same crappy IPS year in year out.

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Aura75413498d ago

Yep, if you look at Microsoft's 1st party release schedule for this year, it's atrocious. Quantum Break was not well-received and the next Microsoft published game is not out until September.

In addition, the main contributors to the XB1's struggles are the lack of indies and Japanese games. We see several indies going on PS4 (and PC, too), but not on the XB1. Some of them are rather huge games, too, like The Talos Principle, The Witness, and Firewatch. Japanese developers have almost entirely ignored the XB1 with few exceptions like Dragonball Xenoverse or Attack on Titan. Heck, even Square Enix, the biggest Japanese publisher, is ignoring the console, releasing games such as Star Ocean 5, Kingdom Hearts 2.8, Nier Automata, and FFXII: The Zodiac Age only on PS4.

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rainslacker3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

I have a feeling that Scorpio is meant for more than games. It's MS answer to both the console market, as well as competing with all in devices from Apple, Google, and Amazon to get into markets that they wanted to get into with the X1 before it released.

I think they still will lose out there though, because most of that stuff is integrated into much cheaper and more intuitive devices, and if people want a game system, most of them aren't looking for an all-in-one solution...particularly if they're already on 4K TV's.

MS often doesn't really get a lot of things. It's why they usually don't see great reception or success for many of their products...particularly in the devices market. Surface has had some pretty decent success, but outside of that, Xbox is their most successful device, and they are pretty much changing what made it successful and making it into a Windows device, despite the fact many people have broken their ties to MS outside the business world....which is something MS has been more concerned with than consoles or gaming for a while now.

XanderZane3497d ago

Forza Horizon 2, Halo 5, Sunset Overdrive, Ori and the Blind Forest, Forza 6, Rise of the Tomb Raider are all quality games. So to say they don't have any quality games is just dumb. The problem is they don't have enough quality games. The fact that Japanese developers refuse to make any exclusives for the XB1 like they do for the PS4 is the other problem. Companies like Temco/Koei, Namco/Bandai, Konami, Capcom, Atlus, From Software, SquareEnix, SEGA etc.. will cater to the PS4 with exclusives like NiOh, Ni No Kuni 2, SFV, Bloodborne, Guilty Gear, Persona 5, Odin Sphere, Star Ocean 5, Samurai Warrior 4, Dragon Quest Heroes, Yakuza 5 / 0, Valkyria Chronicles Remastered, etc... Besides Bloodborne & SFV, none of these are 1st/2nd party exclusives. So these companies could have made them for XB1 or Wii U if they wished. Sony didn't control these other exclusives. Last gen many of these games would have gone to the XBox 360. This is one of the many reasons XB1 is behind. If you love Japanese games like me, you'll need a PS4 to play them this gen. Specs did matter to Sony and fanboys obviously as they were taunting how great multiplats were better on PS4. That problem will be over after the Scorpio is released. XBox Scorpio will now have the better multiplats compared to the PS4/PS4 Neo so these multiplat games should sell a lot better on XBox then they did in the past.

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Ark_3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

If Microsoft is smart, they make Scorpio a dual bootsystem: Xbox-mode and classical Windows-mode.
You will have your console experience in the Xbox-mode (sleek interface and controlls optimized for a controller) and you can use the machine also as a Windows PC giving it endless possibilites (everything from Steam to Office, from gaming to work to leisure and creativity) - VR included.

If they do this and find a decent pricepoint they will sell tons of these. Even Valve will support them, since they are mostly interested in getting a larger PC userbase, which this would basically provide. Propably they would also drop their work on SteamOS and their Linux support, if Windows stays open ... Win-Win.

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bluebenjamin3498d ago

Sounds good to me

gazgriff2k123497d ago

That sir Would be genius, so dont expect it to happen this is microsoft were talking about

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Doabarrelroll3498d ago

The fact there are Xbox gamers here saying that xbox fans will get their revenge next year on Sony fanboys, and I've seen other xbox fanboys claim Scorpio is the end of ponies and PlayStation says otherwise. Xbox fanboys are now just waiting for Scorpio to release and then the "war" will began again.

Majin-vegeta3498d ago

Lol the scorpio will tank.Only the HC of the HC will opt for that.Little billy wont cuz his parents arent gonna go out and spend $600 on a console when they just bought him one a year or two ago.

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rainslacker3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Xbox fan boys wait on a lot of things that are well in the future, or fail to ever come to fruition.

When the "win" for this gen is that Xbox games are now available on PC, that should be a clear sign that the console isn't what it used to be.

I don't begrudge them liking the games, but at some point they will have to accept that MS just isn't the company they think they are, and often times will drop the old in favor of the new. So next year, when they do that, I do wonder just how fervent they'll be in their defense.

MS will have to succeed with Scorpio. It seems like a last ditch effort to achieve both console domination, and get Windows 10 accepted across the board, with Scorpio itself being a way to push more computer features onto the living room screen....which is what MS wanted all along. Nothing wrong with providing that kind of functionality, but they seem to not really think of ways to do it with their current products, and if anything, MS loves to force the upgrades.

If Scorpio flops, I wouldn't be surprised if MS just drops out of the market. A new console after 4 years is kind of bad. I don't care how much they say "no gamer left behind", MS just doesn't instill the kind of trust to think that's going to be the case. The only thing you will see legacy support for is likely 3rd party stuff which was already in development, and smaller games. MS isn't forcing legacy compliance, and to me, that means they want the OGX1 to simply go away, and I have a feeling they're hoping the head start on a new gen will benefit them the same way that it did with the 360...disregarding the fact that Sony kind of helped them along with pricing, and confusing the devs with alien hardware.

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Pongwater3497d ago

@hvd222 - Look back at the history of home gaming. The most powerful console has flopped more than once.

There's no doubt Scorpio will easily set a new record for the shortest reign as "most powerful console", but what I'm truly looking forward to is visiting N4G when console Halo fans start playing online against the PC Halo fans. Controller vs mouse and keyboard.

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ThatGuyDart3498d ago

"If you’re a PlayStation and PC gamer interested in Xbox, for example, you might just be a graphics card upgrade away from Microsoft’s best upcoming games."

Enough said. Sony has beaten Microsoft so bad this gen that MS has taken themselves out of the war and has piggybacked of the PC market. Which is fine with me since I have a PC. Now we just need Nintendo to get their stuff together so it can be like the good old days where Sony and Nintendo were the two main rivals..

HawaiianDreads3498d ago

Brah I losing faith in Nintendo as time go by, it's like they are stuck in the past and can't seem to figure out how to get to the present.

q8kik3497d ago

They did change the latest Zelda a lot though, So it's a good start for them on the NX imo.

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Relientk773498d ago

Down to Sony Vs. Nintendo I guess, which is cool. That's how it was with my childhood, PS1 and N64

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NotanotherReboot3498d ago

I fear for the future of Sony

Majin-vegeta3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

I agree....since Sony wont have anyone to give them a challenge not like MS was much of a challenege unless Ninty pulls their head out of their backside.

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HawaiianDreads3498d ago

Not really, it might be some competition between Sony and PC...well really a beat down on Sony but if it light a fire underneath Sony ass to keep them on their toes I'm good for it.

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Babadook73497d ago

Not really, it might be some competition between Windows Store and Steam...well really a beat down on Windows Store but if it light a fire underneath Windows Store's ass to keep them on their toes I'm good for it.

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TwoForce3498d ago

Microsoft, you disappointed me. You have no will and honor.

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holtzy3498d ago

a 600 hundred dollar console changes nothing. all Microsoft did was confuse its base

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Crakface3498d ago

This site loves xbox. Get over it guys. ITS OVER. The console wars are OVER. xbox lost and theyre finished. Heil Hydra.

sashimi3498d ago

hahahaha....

masterfox3498d ago

the only thing ending here is the xbox brand lol

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NohansenBoy3498d ago

These console wars are hilarious.

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Sic_Parvis_Magna3498d ago

They could release a console more powerful console than any high end pc but it won't sell if they don't have the software to back it. Your annual halo gears forza won't help

uth113498d ago

Console war was pretty much over this gen, with Sony way ahead. If anything, this just reignited the console war. I've seen more fanboy battles in the past few days than I've seen for the past 6 mos

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wiz71913498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Yall fools are dumb if you really think about it MS has two platforms to support. They have Xbox also Wins 10 on PC, they are catering to both of their platforms. Microsoft have a strong footing in the PC market, any computer or laptop you buy today is running a WIns OS. Why would they only release games on Xbox and not support their PC counterpart? That means they would be alienating their PC market by not giving them any AAA games, then making the main point of Wins 10 being a GAMING platform a waste. Sony doesn't have any footing in the PC market they don't have a PC OS to support. If you really think about it the laptops Sony did make still ran a Wins OS. Im a gaming at heart and support all brands yall fanboys are the ones actually making the GAMING hobby annoying to be apart of.

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Budrazor3498d ago

The feelings got hurt somewhere along the lines if you worry about MS so much you have to come on here. Doesn't Sony have enough news for you.

Babadook73498d ago

Yup. No need to buy an Xbox (per se) Neo / NX / PC for me!

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Tumaras3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

Ended the console wars, basically by giving up. With future XB1 games moving forward being on Windows also, it definitely changes the appeal of XB1. XB1 was always essentially a Win 10 PC in a box with a gui frontend slapped on it (always cracks me up with people talk XB1->PC ports, there's hardly anything to port other than adding an installer and tweaking the menu), so this was always an option. But now if I want to play a Halo or Gears game, just get it on PC. Console is still needed for console exclusives like Sony's and sports titles like Madden and MLB the Show that aren't on PC, but XB1's appeal definitely takes a hit. XB1 still has a niche for very budget minded gamers. But even then with midrange video cards coming down in price, a gaming pc won't be much more than a XB1 and adds a ton more capability. To me this move is Microsoft just saying we give, Sony you win and can have console-land, and we'll focus on Win 10 gaming. If Microsoft had a truly good game/app/movie/music frontend in Windows like Apple or Google does, XB1 frankly could go away altogether in a few years and just completely shift to PC. And if it's just wanting to be able to play on a large tv rather than PC monitor, it's quite easy to output from PC to tv.

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quenomamen3498d ago

All theyve done is fragment their base and tried to boost their sales by making their fans buy not 1 console but 3. These is the same company that bought Nokia for couple billion and is now parting it out for couple hundred million.

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343_Guilty_Spark3498d ago

How exactly is the base fragmented if everyone is on Windows 10.

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jjb19813498d ago

So basically Microsoft just wants everybody to move to PC eventually. As long as Sony has better exclusives then they will win the console war. If Nintendo can bring back that classic Nintendo excitement then they will win. I just don't seem to want to upgrade to a Scorpio when I already have a good rig. I actually feel swindled by the announcement. I'll just use my xbox one as a chock block.

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343_Guilty_Spark3498d ago

They want you to go to Windows 10, whatever box that is. You've got to get out of the mindset that selling more plastic boxes = winning.

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rainslacker3497d ago

So you guys aren't Xbox fans anymore? We can start calling you Windows fans?

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FunkyBoy3498d ago

Get ur money up and try to enjoy them all, I use my Xbox when I'm watching Netflix and shows Cuz of the kinec. Mainly game on my ps4 cuz better exclusives and use the Wii u for smash, Mario kart and bayo. Pc for total war and Dawn of War. U guys go hard defending a machine. Why though?

ILostMyMind3498d ago

I agree. Everyone can have both machines, a PS4 and a good PC.

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Segata3498d ago

Xbox gets very little Japanese support. So not even close.

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Artemidorus3498d ago

Just when you thought you seen the dumbest thing....

It's a 4K console playing Xbox One games. I have zero intentions of buying one.

Microsoft are lacking exclusives

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Realms3498d ago

The market will dictate weather MS is successful because if they come out with a brand new console and still don't deliver compelling software much like, the NEO GEO, Sega Saturn, and other beastly consoles that proclaimed to be the best hardware at the time they all died due to cost and lack of compelling software which still seems to be IMO MS's problem.

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KentBenMei3498d ago

Did they throw in the towel?

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iTechHeads3498d ago

Lol

Ulf3498d ago (Edited 3498d ago )

It amazes me, the number of people who believe that MS doesn't win just as big (or bigger) if a consumer buys the Windows 10 version of a game over the XBox One version. In both cases, Sony is most definitely the loser.

If MS didn't have to sell a console (often at a loss) to you, to get money from buying games for you PC... I think they'd prefer that, wouldn't you?

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Smokingunz3498d ago

What dumb and pointless article,nothing but click bait.n4g please step your game up

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Tedakin3498d ago

Dorks on net forums are the only ones who care about Console Wars. ;)

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ROWDYMANE3497d ago

Good Points in this article. If you have both consoles then you win. Nothing wrong with that.

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Sweendog0073497d ago

You all do know that the gaming war changed about 2 years ago

All this talk about ms leaving the gaming business and dropping Xbox is shit.

PlayStation are in a way doing the same thing , bring out more than one console under the PlayStation brand ... Neo ? If that is just a refresh of playsation 4 with higher specs then so is project Scorpio ? If it's not then we move to Xbox 2 and playsation 5

Which is not going to happen

If people can't see this then they either refuse to see it or don't want to Accept the fact that the gaming war ended about 2 years ago when more devices and technology moved so fast that things had to get refreshed every couple of years to keep up

How many playsation users will upgraded to this neo console ? Not all 40 million will upgrade. So why bring it out ? To give people a choice and get a bigger foot in the high end market , 4K etc etc

Now what does that mean for PlayStation 4 owners , nothing, all it means is that PlayStation now has 2 plus VR under its brand , reaching new audiences.

Now Microsoft - exactly the same thing as Sony , bring out a high end console and 4K media hub ( that's what Xbox one s ) , and merge the Windowows store , into the gaming industry under one brand and that's simply Xbox

It's not hard to understand , and now both Sony and Microsoft have ways to compete across a wider scale , from VR , to causal gammers, to high end users who use a PC , ( PC is a personal computer not everyone wants to use Microsoft and Windows store , ) , to 3D users and content users

And how do they bring all their devices together ... Through their networks ... Psn and Xbox live

How hard is that to understand ... The console war changed , it changed because there is now more choices out there to do things. And not everyone wants to wait 7 years for a new console that when comes out is 4 years behind what a PC can offer or a new tv can offer etc etc

You either adapt to change or you parish in the past

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LastcenuryRob3497d ago

Natural progression and should have been done during the 360 years.

metalgod883497d ago

What is a console? I always thought it was a single platform that the first and third party developers could create games for given the hardware would remain the same. This is a fundamental change with what we know as a console....right?

MagicBeanz3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

In order for there to be a war both sides must have an equal chance of winning, Microsoft never had a chance so there never really was a war. That being said I'm glad Microsoft has given me a choice of where not to play their games.

2600Thunder3497d ago

A multiplatform APP is not an evolution. It is simply more compatibility anyway MS spins the PR.

IamTylerDurden13497d ago

XboneS has the same specs as a regular xbone. Microsoft isn't just deceptive, they flat out lie. Rod Fergusson said the xboneS has "more raw power". Are you f****** kidding? Same GPU/CPU. So, a die shrink equals RAW POWER? Snake oil salesman.

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Steptoe3497d ago

Goodbye Xbox. How the mighty have fallen.

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SynestheticRoar3497d ago (Edited 3497d ago )

Oh because X-box departed politely. It's fine Sony and Nintendo are still currently participating.

starchild3497d ago

How did Xbox depart? XB1 consoles are still being sold, Xbox One S is soon to release and the Scorpio releases next year.

Also, how is Nintendo competing and Xbox isn't when the XB1 has sold better than the Wii U?

MrsNesbitt3497d ago

Not even edited properly for an opinion piece. Where is the consistency?

JMyers3497d ago

A lot of talk about power and resolution... I thought this didn't matter to xbox owners? "Play the game, not the resolution..." I guess power doesn't matter when you own the weaker console but suddenly becomes relevant with an incoming replacement. Similarly size and the power brick didn't matter... but look to the S model? It's basically a white PS4 with some additional features. Why buy this one if you're "happy" with the size, brick and features of the old? A lot of 180s...

strickers3497d ago

Or it makes my PC/ PS4 combo make more sense. I like that MS is bringing all games to PC. No need to buy an Xbox console now.

PizzaSteve3497d ago

Scorpio will fail especially world wide. Like come on man do people really think it will automatically beat PS4 just because it's more powerful. I guess only the fanboys will think that but for the casual folks who don't be on gaming sites all day only care about playing games they like and I bet PS4 have more variety they like.

JMyers3497d ago

Good point. Also these same people were saying that power and resolution doesn't matter. Now it seems it does.

gazgriff2k123497d ago

I can play xbox games with my xbox fanboy friends without buying a xbox or playing for xbox live. The war is over i win

game4funz3497d ago

For the PS fans out there who for your own misguided reasons hate the xbox.
No.
Resolution still doesnt matter. The games do. And its for the games people buy consoles.
Youll be told by xbox fans that resolution this and resolution that but its all cuz of you.
You had your chance to ignore those aspects to continue to say it doesnt matter but you didnt.

It isn't flip flopping, its cause and effect.

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