@foehammer

BEcause its just a playstation slim with slightly improved hardware

@Foehammer

Might be because they have to focus on promoting PSVR, which is coming out October 13.

I do wonder how it would be promoted at this point though. They could've done like MS and talked about it now but, rightly or wrongly, that would confuse people even more than MS announcing Scorpio now.

Then there's the possibility that it's not as powerful as Scorpio is.

Specs today are rumors and subject to change, especially since they now know what the Scorpio will look like, they have all the time in the world to make a bigger console.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

“It is intended to sit alongside and complement the standard PS4,” he said. “We will be selling both [versions] through the life cycle... All games will support the standard PS4 and we anticipate all or a very large majority of games will also support the high-end PS4."

so he won't confirm all games will be compatable?

@Deadpooled I don't want it to be more powerful than the Scorpio because 1080p 60fps is good enough since the neo is just an upgraded PS4 that runs the same games with a 4K Blu-ray player for just $399. A great price and profitable IMO. PS5 will be released in two years after the Neo anyway. With Sony exclusives running in 60fps I'll be satisfied with that until they release the PS5 in late 2018.

@Moldybread You're trying to hard 😅 and don't compare Microsoft to Apple😂😂

The reasons are Sony was smart enough not to cut into their sales for the next 3 - 4 months. Sony also isn't behind so they are not scrambling for a solution. Just look at the same 3 - 4 MS supporters in every Sony thread doing their best. I have never seen people more scared. They exemplify the attitude at Redmond. All the power in the world is not going to stop a repeat of the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox generation. MS has been trapped into thinking that victory lies in power and it doesn't. Instead of pouring funds into real Xbox exclusives they have dumped money into R&D and a new console - where you always lose money at the start. They also had to send every game to PC, not because of a great program but in order to pay for the games they do have since the Xbox alone wasn't providing the profits.

Sony isn't in that position. They are leading and stepping up their true exclusives and making the PS4 the platform to buy. People can pretend things are better because PC gamers are on board but in reality Play Anywhere is a knife in the heart of Xbox hardware sales.

Sony does not view the Neo as an entirely new console but rather as an addition. If you believe some of the leaks then believe it all. They will insure nothing is exclusive on the Neo. If you saw their games at E3 they know they do not need to worry about power in order to stay far far ahead this generation. They have the best VR solution on the market, the best true platform exclusives, and they would rather have that be the E3 focus. Neo can be announced and then launch 30 days later as they did with the PS3 slim.

No it wont be as powerful as the scorpio. It would be stupid if it is.

1. If it is as powerful as the scorpio it would cost 600 plus when it comes out the end of the year.
2. The majority of people have not upgraded to 4k TV yet and there are not many games in 4k.
3. And more importantly. Sony is not aiming to make the current PS4 irrelevant with a power difference like with Scorpio and the X1.

Sony has been very clear that Neo will be along side PS4 and complement each other meaning that they are not looking at pushing Neo at the expense of the current PS4. Meaning no huge gap but noticeable enough for hardcore gamers that want better performance such as better frame rates and I think better VR.

So most likely 1080p 60fps for Neo and 1080p 30fps for Standard PS4 which is fine with many gamers for now until 4k gaming becomes more common.

PS4 Neo is sort of a torjan horse for Sony into the next gen. It has one foot in next gen and one is current gen. I believe this is their strategy.

Once PS4 is dated nearing Scorpio launch. Sony will announce the PS5 possibly for the end of 2018 with better specs than Scorpio and will start to push the Neo to its limit with its head-start advantage + PS4 numbers will be hard for Scorpio to compete. Once the PS5 is launched Sony will ditch PS4 dev and refocus on PS4 Neo and PS5 dev going forward continuing another cycle until the PS5.5 is launched and Neo dev is ditched.

What bothers me is that Neo is basically just 60fps mode for the most part. I'd like graphics to be improved also.

@deadpooled
Sony is doing a more incremental approach, Microsoft is taking a mental approach. And by mental, I mean the specs of the Scorpio are crazy impressive, but even with that, the Scorpio will struggle to achieve stable 4k@30fps. I don't know how many gamers really want that. 4k@60fps should be the standard for the next next gen consoles, and they shouldn't be released until the chips are there at a price that is reasonable. I feel Sony's approach will allow 1080p@60fps for most games, which could be argued is the smarter way to go at this point. Devs may think that just because the Scorpio has the power, they should struggle against all reason to do 4k gaming, and do it shabbily. We shall see. I hope both machines will include a 4k blu ray player, but I'm a bit dubious of Sony including that and hitting 399 for a price point. If they do, that would be fantastic.

i think it is a good idea for sony to release it this year and only be around 4.1 TF, we will get a powerful console 1 year before MS bring one out and looking at the time (6 years) just after MS release theirs sony will be ready to announce the ps5 and new generation specs

I have often blamed the school system for the lack of comprehension skills and logic on this site but no more. There has to be some personal responsibility.

Some will accept that Neo will cost $400 and be twice as powerful as PS4. Ok, I know that's true because of the specs of Polaris. But those same people then believe Scorpio will have to cost $600-1000 even though it most likely includes Vega, a new GPU architecture from the same company that makes Polaris that will have twice the power per watt of Polaris and be more efficient.

Polaris already is capable of close to 6 teraflops for $200. An architecture twice as good should do 12 teraflops for close to that price. The RX470 has 4.5 teraflops for $150. So a Vega chip in that range should offer 6 teraflops easy and more likely 8 for $150. On a commissioned part at wholesale Microsoft will pay less than $100 for 7-8 teraflops.

If they're smart they include Zen and sell at a loss for six months(or still even) and go profitable with 10nm in 2018.

@mark3214uk,

If Sony were to announce a true NEXT Gen PS5 next fall things could be very problematic for MS. With titles they have announced coming such as Horizon along with hardware like Neo and PSVR they will continue to extend their lead over the competition. Announcing a machine next fall for 2018 would keep MS perpetually behind the 8 ball. It doesn't matter if Sony announces or not. By stepping next year instead of on par with Sony's PS5, MS have insured they will never catch Sony again. In away they have made the same mistake as Ninty.

"There must be a good reason why Sony left out the Neo at this years E3"

Yeah, the reason is that after everyone just watched Microsoft announce a 6 Tflop console, Sony didn't want to underwhelm with the announcement of a 4 Tflop console.

If they were to launch a new console this year, they would have announced it at E3.
They're going to talk about it at the Paris Game Show, so it's not coming this year nor early next year.
They announced the PS4 in February and launched it the same year. They want people to be aware of their product and not keep it a secret, unlike Nintendo.

Going by the leaks and what Microsoft and Sony have said it seems the Neo and Scorpio are mid-gen refreshes. They will play the same games as their predecessors, but with enhanced visual fidelity and/or improved framerates.

When the Neo releases this Fall it will have been 3 years since the PS4 came out. And since these are mid-gen upgrades I'd be willing to bet Sony will want to get another 3 years out of the Neo. Any less simply wouldn't be worth the investment from Sony and gamers. Most people are not going to want to buy Neo and then turn around and buy another Playstation console only two years later.

If it releases this year then i would guess it will be around 4tflop. I also think it would be in production by now ( or about to start) if releasing this year.
If on the other hand it's next year ( at least after april 2017) then i would think they will increase the specs closer to or above 6tflops.

MS will be eaten again if true.. One year of a gap is significant and ps4 will get many exclusive 4k content.

If the PS4 Neo is using the new AMD chips, it should be at around 5/5.5 TF (like the AMD chips are) but Sony is very conservative with clock speed, rumors are that its in the 900mhz range hence the lower TF #'s. They could always bump that up before launch but heat may become an issue. I think the bigger issue with theses consoles is their CPU, by all accounts neither are powerhouses... will that change with the new consoles? who knows.

Sony is doing fine in sales as we all know, announcing a new console now, might make people want to wait and I'm sure they are wanting to move through inventory as fast as possible and probably introduce their own slim, along with Neo.

Sony still has Gamescon, Paris game week, Tokyo game show, and maybe even do another PlayStation experience event, they definitely have plenty of options left to announce.

@Fries,

I agree. Sony does not need to do anything than that which they are and in the direction they have indicated. They have a focused message and are now competing against the NX. They aren't competing against the Xbox any longer because like last gen when MS left the core crowd to chase the Wii crowd, they have now left competing against the PS4 to now go against PC gamers as well as compete against their own hardware. They are actually going to cause fence sitting PC gamers that are interested in a console to purchase a PS4. In a weird turn of events, MS are driving PS4 sales.

@moldy bread

When is the last time you've seen an ipod? I was looking at getting an Xbox until all the exclusives I wanted were announced for pc as well. So that's at least one Xbox sale they lost. They still get their money from me though, so who really wins?

@MaximusTKG
"When is the last time you've seen an ipod?"

today? i have an ipod mini and any iphone also plays music. the pc does a lot more than both a ps4 and xbox one and xbox scorpio but the thing is they are entry level systems. if anyone thinks they can build a pc comparable to the scorpio then go ahead but chances are you wont be able to for the same price. same thing with building a ps4 that plays games as well on the pc. consoles including scorpio are still closed boxes that are ready to go when you play. no fuss with finding formware updates and tweaking settings and so on. the stuff that consoles gamers prefer to stay away from.

"I was looking at getting an Xbox until all the exclusives I wanted were announced for pc as well. So that's at least one Xbox sale they lost. They still get their money from me though, so who really wins?"

the only winner is the person who is enjoying the games and not worrying about brand loyalty. microsoft is giving you the option, buy a xbox one s for $299, but a scorpio next year for ? amount of money, build or buy a pc and play windows games on it there. better choices than what the other console suppliers are giving us.

Scorpio isn't a PC. You won't be running Excel spreadsheets or paying your credit card bills on it. lol!! It'll be the most powerful game console ever made.

Whats with people trying to propagate that the Scorpio is different from the Neo? They are both similar except for the fact that the Scorpio is much more powerful based on the rumoured specs of Neo.

Misleading title....More powerful NEO, no its the same power that has been stated before which is much less than Xbox Scorpio's GPU.

5th gen PS5 in two years? That will be interesting to see if they cant deliver two brand new consoles within 4 years with brand new accessories. They really need to step up their game with PSN. The new Xbox Live features slated to hit are game changers! Clubs, LFG and Arena will take the community to the next level.

@343..56

"Or do you risk alienating Sony fans by launching another 3rd system that's more powerful "

Oh the irony, xbone, xboneS and later Scorpio wich is the 3rd system, but that is not gonna alienate the xbox users right?

@ecchiles
The difference is the xb1 slim was inevitable. Slim models always exist. And Microsoft announced the slim the same day they announced the scorpio. So if you're upset that you got the Slim and didn't just wait for the scorpio... That's on you.

i think you are half right. sony became hyper-focused on live service games and given that, studios would then pitch live service games because those projects were the most likely to be greenlit by the higher ups. now, as for what the hell bluepoint was working on since their god of war game was cancelled is beyond me. it's just increasingly frustrating when sony just announced a god of remake which is still in its infancy when bluepoint could have been working on it for years and likely would have shipped it by now.

We had a god of war mp in the past and it didn’t do well back then with less competition so doubtful people wanted a live service game especially from devs that made some top tier remakes

Copium like this is the reason they're in this position. Sony could do no wrong and when something did go wrong, it's never the corporate suits at sony who are to blame.....its either: devs bad or ms/phil spencer bad while their own backyard is on fire. This is the result of not caring what your fav company does just because another company does (way) worse and automatically condoning everything. I hope they can turn it around without having to fuck over their customers more because especially some of the games on ps1 through ps3 were absolutely amazing.

Can't really say im surprised it's gotten to this point although I didn't expect them to close Bluepoint who has always delivered stellar work.

The devs didn’t pitch it. It’s already been discussed publicly. They had literally just started on a new undisclosed project they were still in the initial ideas phase when they were asked to stop and do GoW instead.

Love the downvotes considering it's since become public knowledge that yes bluepoint DID infact pitch the god of war game. They also eventually pitched a Bloodborne remake but from software torpedoed the project, sadly.

so now you are comparing lmao, and not to mention Halo is coming to PS5! lmao!!!!!!!

Sale figures = great multiplayer experience
Got it..
Heard it first from here..

That’s the weakest argument. I played Halo and it was great obviously.
But so many different titles had really good online multiplayer.
Resistance Fall of Man. Was a solid title with fun multiplayer.
Killzone 2 was fun. Movement was slower but solid multiplayer.
Warhawk, probably my favorite. It was something different and had a very active community.

List goes on. But since sales = great multiplayer experiences than I don’t know what else to show you besides Call of Duty. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@Christopher nonsense. Just because they weren't selling the most and/or had the most popular live service games doesn't mean they weren't making good games in the genre. Sony doesn't need to stick to any one type of genre, they have successful live service games in their portfolio. They need to get back to what worked during the ps3 gen so they stand out and stop chasing trends.

I'm happy we got Helldivers 2. But I believe Sonys biggest mistake was trying to force big single player studios to make multiplayer games based on big single player IPs. It just sounds like a bad idea from the get-go. Why did they need to force great studios like Insomniac, Guerilla, Bluepoint and Naughty Dog to make big live service multiplayer games?

I think some people don't know what a multiplayer hit is. All of a sudden, number of people playing a game doesn't determine a hit? People need to be honest with reality here. If your competition is selling over 4x as many copies, you're not the hit game. And I didn't even include CoD in this.