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Microsoft's mixed messages at E3 aren't pretty for Xbox One owners

During the video for Project Scorpio, two minutes of puffery dedicated to Microsoft's bright Christmas 2017, there is a man who speaks with his mouth but betrays everything with his eyes. "This doesn't mean we're leaving the Xbox One behind," he says, but the truth is there to see as his eyes flick away from the camera. Microsoft began its E3 conference by revealing the redesigned Xbox One S - and then, it still amazes me now, closed the show by telling everyone they'd be fools to buy any kind of Xbox One.

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Bennibop3641d ago

Interesting read and point of view.

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Fin_The_Human3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

From what I can tell the XB fanbase are perfectly happy with the way things are going.

We have great games to play and a monster of a console for developers on it's way.

The only people I see complaining are the people who don't care about XBox and hate MS.

The amount of XBox stuff that is submitted here you would swear Sony did not have an E3...Phil van tweet that he farted and it will be posted here.

S2Killinit3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

I think the people who understand that scorpio is essentially xbox 2 are upset because MS is cutting the generation short. The new console is confirmed to have VR exclusivity against the vanilla and xbox S. So it will have at least the VR games as exclusive. Its a soft transition to a new xbox generation.

Fin_The_Human3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

When did MS promise that XB1 will be able to play VR games?

I for one got the XB1 to play games and had never asked or expected to play VR games.

Same with Sony, the PS4 on its self can't play VR games and need the PSVR.

I don't understand why people would be upset about something that was never promised.

That's like me being mad that my regular Honda Civic can't keep up with a Honda Type R.

dirkdady3640d ago

"The key marketing line is "no-one left behind," a slightly perverse echo of military terminology designed to make this change seem like a team effort, which carries the unfortunate implication that Xbox One owners are horribly wounded from the experience. No comment."

LOL

Barricade3640d ago

"Same with Sony, the PS4 on its self can't play VR games and need the PSVR."

Same thing with PC, same with a smartphone, that's not what he meant and you know that.
He's talking about Xbox One (S) being forward compatible with project Scorpio, being able to play ALL games released for one, on the other. If one console supports VR and the other doesn't, it's obviously there will be exclusives ((eventhough just the VR ones).

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game4funz3640d ago

Not that interesting... Xbox strategy has shifted to the main focus... Play anywhere... Crossbuy and cross play... And allowing people to have a top of the line experience with Scorpio... Which to me is a new generation of consoles.

miyamoto3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

Eurogamer is that really you?
Eurogamer criticizing Microsoft?
Now that is something I don't see everyday.
How about Nintendo?

Edit: I have read the whole article and it is absolutely brilliant! Wow! That is a true caring Xbox patriot right there. Respect. I wish more Xbox fan think that way.

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PistolsAtDawn3640d ago

What mixed message? They were very consistent about it all being player choice. But the game once...play it anywhere. 3 consoles all in the same ecosystem...not one gets left behind...it's your choice. You can even design your own controller...its your choice. Scorpio will support multiple VR options its your choice. They also provided a varied line up of exclusive games coming this year (into early next year) what do you want to play?....its your choice. Please stop trying to make something bad out of nothing. MS did an amazing job this E3....true gamers should be excited

slate913640d ago

Its the media trying to create another 2013 fiasco. Its quite sad.

GottaBjimmyb3640d ago

These arguments are getting quite stupid, almost incoherrent and bordering on conspiracy theory level delusion.

The reality is, there will be two models for consumers to choose from. Both with MS and Sony. The ONLY difference? Stock Ps4 can do VR, stock xb1 cannot.

Otherwise both will share content and elaccessories with its predecessor but improve upon graphical fidelity across the games they share.

One will be for casual gamers looking for an entry level machine with great cost. Option 2 will be a more powerful machine at a larger cost. Same ecosystem and similar feature-sets.

What I don't get is why are people only complaining about MS when Sony has PS4 Neo filling the same airspace om their side.

I personally think choice is much preferred to limitation, but people just love to com plain about a certain manufacturer on this site.

MatrixxGT3640d ago

I am excited. I can keep investing in the Xbox ecosystem and know that my games will continue to be backwards and forwards compatible. This is the direction this gen should have went in the beginning instead of the horrible fiasco MS caught themselves in at first. Gamers spoke with their wallets and MS has responded. Now I'm responding with my wallet. Giving the consumer options is 180 degrees from what was thought about Xbox 3 years ago.

im also excited to see what Sony has in store for NEO. Maybe they are keeping quiet to boost the performance to match Scorpio so both companies can provide 4K gaming.

S2Killinit3640d ago

What do you mean all with same experience? They confirmed that it will do VR exclusively.

Mark my words. Scorpio is the new xbox. It will "share" games with the older xbox one and one S, but it will have its own exclusives. The same way xbox one "shares" games with xbox360

spicelicka3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

So? Why would they not take advantage of its power? They have to release a new console sometime. Xbox 360 was released 4 years after the Xbox. The last gen just somehow happened to drag over 8 years, which i think was too long.

So either they wait till 2018 to release Scorpio with all new software exclusive to it, or they release the hardware early, share games with Xbox one, and start releasing the Scorpio exclusive software 1 or 2 years after.

This is just how this gen is gonna go, get used to it. Sony and Nintendo are doing the same thing, so why the hell would MS wait and get left behind?

S2Killinit3640d ago

Well because there are a ton of people who didnt catch that. They think scorpio is not leaving xbox one and S behind. That was mixed messeging. You are on the other side of the fence.

Rude-ro3640d ago

But if you go by history, you know this is not true. Microsofts treats the weakest link like a gimp.
If Xbox one has issues with multiplat a now, what do you think will happen with making games for the Scorpio. Yes, they might get the game but it will not be up to par.
The problem with the message is microsofts history not the consoles.

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n4rc3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

What's mixed?

Xb1s is a slim which will replace the original at retail fairly soon (as usual), tho it is equivalent to the xb1 in terms of games (also as usual).. save for a few 4k features for those with a 4k TV..

Scorpio comes out in a year and a half.. will have scalable development like pc always had so xb1/xb1s play the same games, Scorpio will use a higher resolution and have a more stable frame rate (I'd assume) and be used for vr applications

So what's the beef? That xb1 and even the slim will eventually get left behind? No s$&t.. of course they will, eventually.. but it won't be when Scorpio launches.

And they came right out and told you a win10 pc is all you need.. if it doesn't bother them to lose sales, why does it bother any of you? That's their business, ours is playing games.

Seemed pretty straight forward to me. But then again, I actually watched the briefing.. lol

BecauseImBatman3640d ago (Edited 3640d ago )

Let's be fair here. If they didn't announce it (was already heavily rumored and wasn't going away) people would have complained that they bought the new Xbox One S without even needing too. I can only see this as a good thing for consumers. If they want to wait a year and get the Scorpio or get the Slim and use it this year. Options.

I do think it was strange announcing two consoles in one conference. But I'm hearing rumblings that it's the cheapest 4k HDR Blu Ray player. So maybe their hoping to sell it as a general consumer device that also plays games ? I dunno.

Bobafret3640d ago

Microsoft are damned if they do, damned if they don't. The Sony faithful will hate everything they do no matter what. They could launch Scorpio with 20 AAA titles and it would not sway them.

spicelicka3640d ago

Seriously THIS.

For once a company was transparent with us. Just don't buy the goddamn console if it bothers you so much.

They would get severe backlash for releasing X1S, and then announcing Scorpio after people bought it. Doesn't take a genius to understand that.

Dabigkahuna763640d ago

Only people that's confused is people who wznt planning on buying a Xbox One anyway

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot37d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle37d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk7737d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Relientk7741d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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Outside_ofthe_Box42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster300042d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv7242d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit41d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania42d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit41d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot0741d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr42d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box42d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr42d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire9542d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv7242d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--42d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv7241d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket42d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm42d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde42d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster9241d ago (Edited 41d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_42d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted42d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania42d ago (Edited 42d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit41d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster9241d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT42d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers42d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz14942d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot0741d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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