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Is Microsoft’s New Xbox Inevitable?

It depends on who you ask. In Phil Spencer's case, it depends on when you ask him.

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CoNn3r_B3679d ago

I think Microsoft's biggest issue with the xbox one is that they built the whole thing around the kinect and since then they've been trying to remove it from the architecture unaware of VR. Microsoft's Xbox One depends on the failure of the Oculus Rift or Sony VR because if they take off and change they way gaming is done then Microsoft will either have to push the HoloLens ahead or fall behind.

kraenk123678d ago

The HoloLens is not and never will be competing with VR. Not even when it will possibly be released in 5 years time.

DopeTech3678d ago

Yeah Hololens if FAAAR away tech, the Dev kit is priced at 3000$.

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Kiwi663678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Well duh .... ones AR and the other is VR so of course it won't compete as they're 2 different platforms Lol so 3 people think AR & VR are the same wtf

ChuckTheIceMan3678d ago

Hololense is not meant to compete with vr. It's a whole other rodeo. Not better or worse, just not the same. Like comparing an airplane and a boat.

kraenk123678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

I agree on your above comments, that's exactly what I meant. That and the fact AR is still a way off from being well developed and therefore accepted by the public. No one is gonna want to wear a heavy computer on his head but it's great and interesting companies are researching in that field. Just doesn't have to do much with games at all.

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DopeTech3678d ago

Now what does that have to do with their new console?

TheCommentator3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

MS partnered with Oculus for a reason but that reason remains somewhat unclear. MS does have the Irides software program which allows for cloud powered VR processing to not only be done in the cloud, but with enhanced graphics too. Hololens cannot simply be pushed forwards because it currently costs $3000 for a dev kit and has already been debunked by Spencer as a gaming device. He basically said that the price needs to come down to a few hundred bucks before becoming relevant to gaming but, regardless, was eager to see what programmers would come up with in the gaming space once it was released into their hands.

Alternatively, Phil also said they would not be releasing a 1.5, and wanted a full upgrade when they eventually come out with a new product. If the next iteration of the Xbox is as powerful as the rumored PS4 Neo, it would be over 3 times as powerful as an XB1. To me, that level of increase in power could qualify as a full upgrade and not simply a 1.5. It's hard to do anything but speculate about things at this point, but it's possible that we'll see announcements of cloud powered VR or an XB Agent Smith(as opposed to Neo, get it? ;P) at E3. Mike Ybarra did say that they had 2 or 3 things likely to get announced this year that would rival the scope of the BC announcement last year, right?

ScorpiusX3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Don't forget the Partnership with VIVE also , so they are covered on both ends .(Meant Vive )

kraenk123678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

@castillo

What is HIVE?!

Thanks for the downvotes, he called it Hive first.

Sparta073678d ago

What!? Wait... so the cloud is going to power vr now?? Lol. Talk about wishful thinking....

TheCommentator3678d ago

Seriously, Sparta? All you had to do was look up the Irides software on the net and you could see how the cloud can be used to enhance VR.

jmc88883678d ago

Rift won't be on the Xbox One. 1.3 TFlops to power 90hz at 1200p? I don't think so.

Perhaps the next version (Xbox 2, or even a 1.5), but not this one.

What Phil means is, there will be no 1.5, he wants a 2, and they can't make a 2, for a few more years.

3x1.3 is about what a Neo is, and no, that's not a full upgrade. I really don't think it's even half an upgrade. More like 1/3 an upgrade.... but everyone is on this 1/2 bandwagon.

Cloud powered VR? No... then you are talking about not only trying to power something at 30 FPS or 60 FPS, but 90 FPS... all the latency problems and limitations of 'the cloud' mean not only would it only power some things, but it would be much harder to make the 'cloud' work on VR as opposed to regular gaming. It would have to 'work' at 1/90th of a second, not 1/60th or 1/30th. So harder.

So no, what's likely going to happen is Microsoft won't be able to release a new console, a 'full' console (if they really stick to that), until about 2020. 2019 at the earliest.

You are basically going to have to wait for another process shrink, HBM2.0 to become widespread, DX12 to be fully implemented, and the $100-150 PC GPU's to be about 15-20 TFlops.

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XboxInnovation3678d ago

VR isn't something you can play everyday, especially for hours on end. VR to gaming will be what IMAX is to movies. It will have it's own little corner specifically designed for certain gaming experiences.

rainslacker3678d ago

More likely they'd just partner with Occulus. Since it wills till take time to see how VR takes off, MS doesn't have to worry about the X1's power disadvantage, since the timing of it all would allow them to implement it within the X2 in what would be a reasonable console cycle time frame, and they won't have to go through this divisive crap that Sony is going through right now.

OTOH, if PSVR and mid-gen upgrades become popular, they could be behind the curve...but so many things depend on how it all plays out, and I'd imagine what's happening now is going to be very hard to put into analytical terms to be able to react to it properly, so it's mostly just a guessing game. Safest route is just save it for X2, because it doesn't really hurt them either way.

Gol3m3678d ago

I like that everyone is ripping Sony for 'the divisive crap' but there's not concrete announcement from Sony. Give it up already. People have chosen the ps4 this gen the xbox is the red headed step child of the gen. Pretty bloody useless with not much hope for the future

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DopeTech3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Yeah, I guess, look at Sony and Nintendo. Look at PS4 NEO. Nintendo NX. AMD's 3 new 'Semi-custom wins'. Phil Spencer started this whole 'Upgraded' consoles thing back in March 1st.

I'm sure 100% that there'll be a new, more powerful XBOX ONE.

ShadowKnight3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Microsoft should focus on making some better first party games first before making a new console IMO. They don't have one game over a 90 metacritic review score yet which is odd to me.

ScorpiusX3678d ago

Why not both , its not like they can't .

ShadowKnight3678d ago

@castillo Fair enough. Just my opinion bro. People don't have to agree with it.

DopeTech3678d ago

Metacritic doesn't mean anything, Sunset Overdrive is great game, Forza 6 and Forza Horizon 2 were arguably the best racers this gen, Quantum Break sold a lot and got positive reviews and got loved by a lot gamers unless some fanboys that want this game to fail, sick freaks.

ThePope3678d ago

Metacritc means nothing. Bro.

slate913678d ago

That 90 metacritic score point...zzZ

Satou3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

M$ have also obviously been struggling with power this gen IMO. A new console will allow them some breathing room for creativity. No reason why metacritic should gauge if they need a new console. They obviously need one.

_-EDMIX-_3678d ago

.....both.

I don't even see what one has to do with the other. Buddy, you legit need to add some serious logic to your comments.

TELL US WHY AND HOW! Stop just saying "they should" Why? How would doing that be relevant to hardware?

You likely wouldn't be getting so many ??? and disagrees if you made your post more clear bud.

Kiwi663678d ago

So it doesn't have a 90+ met score game yet how does that lessen the fun and enjoyment xb players still get from actually playing the game , i don't get why some are so hung up on met score it seems a bit sad that is their main priority

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Eonjay3678d ago

Well, we have to assume that one of the wins is NX. Thats the easiest to guess. And NEO... assuming that all the info is correct is pretty much outed. How do we know there are 3 wins?

Eldyraen3678d ago

AMD was talking about 3 new huge orders in regards to chipsets used for consoles primarily. They estimated about $15B by 2020 and were mentioning gaming devices to release this year and all by 2017.

Granted, if the Nintendo rumor about a handheld release before a console release (one of the newer rumors anyways) then 2 could in fact be for Nintendo alone and maybe third a PS Neo/4k without Xbox upgrading yet. Just speculation but AMD basically confirmed 3 new chipsets for gaming of some sort.

Eonjay3678d ago

Good point. NX is the most mysterious device ever. And no one knows if or when the handheld will launch.

Next_gen_20153678d ago

LOL devs will have to create their game on 4 separate platforms.

This whole practice is insane!

rainslacker3678d ago

The details of the new chipsets weren't given though, so there's nothing to say that some of them were actually more powerful versions of what they were currently supplying. Could have just been one with a smaller diecast, or more refined than the originals, or just another years standard order for the manufacturing of the current consoles.

I really think what AMD said was twisted way out of proportion with way too much assumption based on the current rumors, and of course, that was all added into the current crop of poorly researched or verified rumors.

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MasterCornholio3678d ago

Well there is a possibility that Microsoft will release the Xbox Smith to counter the PlayStation Neo which is rumored to work better with Morpheus.

Jeeez what has this turned into?

MetalProxy3678d ago

Xbox Smith? That's my last name Lol. you had me wanting a xbone even though I can't stand it. But yeah they need something to be relevant.

Movefasta19933678d ago

The Nintendo Trinity will be the best though.

MasterCornholio3678d ago

There are rumors of a Sega Oracle

ScorpiusX3678d ago

Lets not forget ColecoVision Morpheus .............

EddieNX 3678d ago

Let's not forget that we're all in the Matrix, just unaware of it!

Nivekki3678d ago

'Jeeez what has this turned into?'

A huge clusterfuck.

rainslacker3678d ago (Edited 3678d ago )

Maybe Sony will release a new handheld and call it PlayStation Trinity. It's best feature, it can play 3 generations of PlayStation handheld and home console games.:)

I know I hope for too much....but I'm a dreamer...and an optimistic cynic.

Anyhow, to close out the metaphors, all this twisting of rumors into fact just proves to me the spoon doesn't actually exist.

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BossBattle3678d ago

MS has got to create a console that can run the Oculus Rift.

343_Guilty_Spark3678d ago

It might even run Vive too if they are smart.

ScorpiusX3678d ago

they have partnered with both just in case....

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

Microsoft announced its financial results for Q3 of fiscal year 2026, including an update on its gaming Xbox business and more.

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Jin_Sakai22d ago (Edited 22d ago )

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio22d ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing22d ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9222d ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit22d ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing22d ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9222d ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Koei Tecmo Announces Record Financial Results After Releasing Many Big Games

Today, Koei Tecmo announced its financial results for the full fiscal year 2025, related to the period between April 2025 and March 2026.

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay24d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn224d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn224d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown24d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay24d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay24d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac23d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger24d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster300024d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde24d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde24d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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