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@zapass ;) The only site i like is playstation.com!!!;-D
AMAZING Screenshots tho!!! ;-P ;-P ;-P

+KillZone 2 looks Like a real Next-Gen FPS!!! ;-P
This IS Next-Gen!!!;) Next-Gen starts when we say so!!! ;-D

These are incredible. Simply amazing. Wow.

Looking very nice, especially the recon class.

Cry xbots cry that this is not on Crap box 360.

ill tell you why. one simple reason... they dont own a ps3. its really that simple. ive never spoke to a single person who actually OWNS a ps3 that says anything bad about killzone2. period.

people who bad mouth this game just sound pathetic and desperate, and for good reason. this game has no choice but to be great, and i believe it will.

next these fanboys will probably be complaining about the cover art on the instruction booklet. lol.

man you made a good point, but guess what..your in SONY Fanboy territory..It looks like a 5 day rental to me...puff puff pass biatches...

I own two PS3 and guess what.. til KZ2 proves me wrong i'll keep hating on it...

how many games where a developer took the time to go all out on the visuals turned out to be horrible?

i mean, the only one i can think of was The Bouncer from Square. it was a game oozing with visuals, but the gameplay was crap (i used to own it). Lair could be arguable, but even than game isn't an unplayable mess (see, The Lost World: Jurassic Park on the PS1, Batman Beyond, Superman; all games starring him, and Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness for some REAL examples of unplayable messes. also, the visuals sucked arse too).

i mean, i see so much "gameplay over graphics" flag waving, but there are so few examples of games that took the graphics more seriously than the gameplay.

like i said in my above post, about 90% of the most revered gaming franchises of all time had SPECTACULAR visuals for their time, the majority of the most hated games of all time are pretty mediocre all around. from controls, to level design, to story, to graphics.

i mean, generally, if a game is truly crap, it's crap in ALL areas. very few games that have turned out like crap have had much care thrown into the visuals.

i mean, i wouldn't call games like Kane and Lynch, Turok, Conflict: Denied Ops, Blacksite: Area 51, and Bomberman: Act Zero graphical powerhouses. but they certainly were crap games.

however, games like Gears of War, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Ratchet and Clank Future: TOD, Motorstorm, Call of Duty 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Uncharted are very fun games that, *gasp* just so happen to represent some of the best visuals in the industry.

now why is that? is it because the developers not only focus on bringing us some excellent gameplay, but they also felt the need to flesh out their worlds with tons of detail and atmosphere to best support that gameplay.

games like God of War, RE4, Halo, DMC, and Ninja Gaiden had similar aesthetics.

graphics and gameplay are a MARRIAGE. they compliment each other and enhance each other. gamers need to break way from separating the two concepts in their mind, and understand that they are both part of a whole.

in this day and age, crappy visuals should be unacceptable. and there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between crappy visuals, and art design.

i doubt anyone would say that Team Fortress 2 looks better than Uncharted, for example. HOWEVER, Team Fortress is an EXCELLENT looking game, because of it's superb art design. even World of Warcraft still looks really good, because of quality art design.

now compare a game like Conflict: Denied Ops, to Metal Gear Solid 4. there is NO competition in what quality art design adds to a games overall package.

i think some gamers confuse "crap graphics," and "art design," quite a bit these days.

i can enjoy the look of a Braid, Pixel Junk Eden, and Pixel Junk Monsters in the same way i can enjoy the look of a Bioshock, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Ratchet and Clank Future: TOD.

all of the games are amazing visually because of their unique style.

with engines like Unreal Engine 3 making it very easy for mediocre developers to produce pretty decent graphics, i can understand some of the confusion, but if you really pay attention, you'll recognize the truly stand out developers from the jokers (ie, quality devs = Infinity Ward, Criterion, Bioware, Insomniac, Kojima Productions, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, Sony Santa Monica, Bungie, DICE, Id, etc).

no matter how much a game may do some things right in terms of graphics (ie, Dark Sector, Bourne Conspiracy), you can spot a mediocre product by it's overall lack of polish (watch gameplay videos of games like 50 Cent: BITS, or Bourne, or Dark Sector, THEN look at vids of games like Gears of War 2, Uncharted, MGS4, Ratchet, Bioshock, Mass Effect, etc).

the constant whoring of the UE3 from mediocre devs have made it harder to spot, but you just have to be observant.

Killzone 2 looks neither unpolished or generic, in ANY category, from art design, sound design, gameplay, AI, and most certainly visuals. people will hate all they want, but only because they don't like the taste of humble pie, judging from the absolute FIELD DAY they had with the PS3 and Killzone 2 after that target render from E3's back, and how Guerrilla Games shoved a whole dumptruck full of Crow and humble pie down their throats when they revealed actual gameplay of Killzone 2 at E3 2007, and came mighty close to that target render many said was "impossible," "there's NO WAY the PS3 could even come 25% close, let alone 50% or 100% HAW HAW!"

so now that they've been completely and utterly proven wrong about the PS3's abilities, they fall back on the often disputed, difficult to really combat argument of "gameplay over graphics!" "it LOOKS good, but how does it PLAY?" and even if/when Killzone 2's gameplay is just as fun as it looks, haters/reviewers/doubters, will STILL nitpick the game to death for some perceived imperfection, or for "not living up to the hype," that was generated by THEM in the first place.

those grapes must taste mighty sour, huh, haters?

i guess we'll just have to wait until February 2009 to find out.

these same haters have been limited by dvd,limited by resolution,limited on sound,limited on the amount of online gamers in one game,limited by not having a standard hard drive,limited on when and where you can access content through remote play from anywhere in the world.it just keeps going.

they hate to see how ps3 is and was already said to suprpass the competition in all things when devs got a hold of the system.and sony is leading the way in this thinking.showing devs what is possible...

better lighting
better animation
better textures
better sound
better presentation and motion capture....

just........BETTER

don't even bother trying with these "LIMITED" gamers who can't see past the green.killzone is just one example of what next gen "IS."

just enjoy and f#ck the haters.

apocalypse......

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no one cares what this game looks like anymore (motion blur tech demo).

show some compelling gameplay. like the first time we all saw footage of Gears 1. it blew the entire gaming community away, and caused many droids to commit mass suicide.

show us something that good. so far, nothing in the gameplay department.

keep trying.

poor droids! :(

Tobiass are you trying to say that Bioshock was overrated or underrated because it was better than Halo and it's probably going to be better than KZ2 when that comes out...and I was talking to Asher6 who said that those of us hating on KZ2 probably didn't own a PS3...people like you get shot everyday where i'm from..can't mind their own damn business..and no one is threating you..i'm just saying..

well yeah your right you can say whatever you like..i thought you were blasting me..look the reason i hate..let me say dislike cause hate is a powerful word ok..the reason I dislike this game cause PS3 owners (excluding me)seem to think this is the next best thing since slice bread or cheese whiz..look im not denying its potential, but have any of us played it NO..the people who have say its good ok..thats them not me..let the game hit the shelves and then we can all go to war in Forums all over the net and argue all day on why its good and bad...and you know that this game has a lot to live up to..talk about HYPE its Killzone2...

Now that Jim Ryan is gone just need to remove Herman Hulst from his position! And maybe give Shuhei the position he deserved.

This gen hasn't been the best for games, last gen consoles are still out there and now there's been talk of the PS6 and Xbox Two for a year or so. Many games this gen will be ported to next gen and the cycle will continue. The re-release of the Neo Geo AES+, games on cartridge for £70 ($95), gaming is going back in time. Gaming has gone pricing mad with the high cost of games, consoles and controllers. The men and women at the top are clueless.

It’s always interesting to hear behind-the-scenes stories like this, especially involving veterans like Shuhei Yoshida and leadership figures like Jim Ryan. That said, there are usually multiple sides to decisions at that level. It could be less about not “listening” and more about differences in long-term vision for PlayStation. Yoshida played a huge role in shaping the brand, so whatever the reason, his impact is undeniable.

If true, and I'm inclined to believe it is, it goes to show that Sony lost their way when they became more western/didn't respect the PlayStation origin story. Andrew House and Jack Tretton did great work, but they also didn't try to fundamentally change the PlayStation DNA. Ryan oversaw the death of Japan Studio and a live service direction.

I already figured this, good lord imagine if Shuhei took over instead, would've been a platinum era 😩

I miss the first three generations of PlayStation. The way they turned PS3 around, we knew they meant business. We were all worried for a bit there around launch. Eventually from 2008 they started shifting slowly. But since Yoshida was fired, it's never been the same. Still enjoy my PS5 daily. I got a backlog dating back to PS2 lol So I'm fine but new games aren't as appealing anymore.

It seems like we were thrown on to the worst timeline possible where everything is too expensive and the wrong people were put in positions that makes the world a shitty place. We could have had Shu as the head of PS but we got the shitty alternative. Same goes for everyone in power around the world. Doesn’t matter the company or country the majority of us got the shitty picks and the world is declining like never before. I do think PS can come out of this because of their studios, talent and IP but they need someone more in touch with gamers leading things like Shu was. They’re still the best place for console gaming imo but it could be much better than it is especially without the massive live service failures. The rest of the world I have a lot less hope for right now. Hopefully the pendulum swings back towards the good ole days but I’m preparing for the worst.

There goes illuminati distraction story

So now there's certifiable proof that Ryan was in fact "fired", as opposed to when it was first announced that he "retired", in order to save face.

There's another guy who recently "retired" as CEO of another large gaming company, after doing a dismantling job as lead for well over a decade.

seems legit, the business man, fires the one who has ideas to move the business forward.

Jim Ryan is the reason why we are entering year 6 since the PS5 launch and many of us don't feel like the PS5 has gotten started as yet.

I hope going forward, we will see a return to form.