@S2Killinit:
Don't think MS's TV plans effected the XB1 resources. That was Kinect, which eventually was going to be able to count people/faces in room watching TV and special events. Gathering random bits of info for marketing and establishing a paywall for special events based on people in the room.

Though the real problem with MS original TV plans was that it tethered you further to cable, whereas Vue is trying to be an alternative.

Frankly, given how much they're charging with only the option to raise rates, not much of one.

Yeah fair enough both want the media space too but MS screwed up big time. They didn't have gamer interests at heart day one and only now, having been forced into submission by us gamers have they realised they need us.

So I respect Sony way more in that regard. Both are businesses and both will do ehat it takes to make that cream but actions speak louder than words.

So Sony deserve full respect on that front this gen. Fair play MS have now changed but Sony focused rightly day one.

Still, both are doing well.

I don't think that MS necessarily lost their commitment to gamers, but it's a double edged sword. If you look at moore's law, the use of brute force is nearing an end. Everyone involved in the PC industry knows it. Making technology more efficient is the only way to enable processing to continue to advance. To me, it appears that MS intended to have DX12 in place and optimized for the launch of the XB1 in order to take advantage of FL12.0 and 12.1, but even now FL12.1 won't be ready until fall for devs to begin to exploit. They were too ambitious with their API and XB1 suffered for it. Honestly, if you take a look at how PC graphics cards have been evolving since the launch of the XB1, you'll notice that their architectures are becoming more like the architecture inside the XB1 in terms of layout with every iteration.

Sure, Sony took a brute force approach to their console which afforded them the fastest machine for the money, and we all know that worked out best for this generation. MS, however has a console that will evolve more over time as the software built for it finally uses all of the hardware features designed to make it more efficient. DICE says that FL12.1 features are going to do a lot for the industry, it's a feature they are most excited about utilizing, and that having the hardware built into the GPU is going to make a big difference compared to emulating the hardwares' capabilities on a GPU without the FL12.1 features.

So have MS lost their commitment to gamers? Like I said before, yes and no. I've already addressed their commitment to gamers' futures from the standpoint of evolving hardware. On the other hand, MS has not shown a 1st party commitment on nearly the same level of Sony. While I do see that changing a bit, their 1st party commitment should have been evolving and growing from the beginning, and instead they've cut studios and franchises left and right for about a decade now. Hopefully they've figured that one out.

Great analogy bleedstorm.

After the launch of rhe XBOX One, there is ZERO talk or commercial regarding TVs...as it is Games, Games, Games.

Yet Sony has been advertising PS Vue and PS TV at E3 during the following E3s like crazy. They literally spent 10 min of the conference talking about Powers...a PS origianl TV series. Me and other PS fans were like..."what is this garbage doing at E3??"

I do understand though as Sony also have a music and Movie division as well but that is still disappointing that they have to talk about that in a Gaming conference.

@bleedsoe9mm

You would be delusional if you think Sony is advertising an optional service after already establishing themselves as THE games console this generation. I think you're forgetting how much focus Microsoft had on entertainment and not actual gaming at E3 2013. I mean just look at this video recap of it.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

@godmars290

Sony recently closed Evolution studios, and pretty sure other first party Sony studios will follow their fate. Sony has been way more reliant on third party with the PS4 than with the PS3. The Vita is nothing but third party also.

Reading Rookie_Monster's comment, it's funny seeing how focus changed with TV vs games between both consoles. ;)

Microsoft is lacking dedication to *Xbox* Gamers

Fixed.

All their new games are coming to PC and those true Xbox exclusives like Fable and Phantom Dust has been cancelled.

I can't agree with your comment. PS VUE is just a added service like Netflix or Hulu. Xbox one was solely based off of being entirely entertainment and games second. Considering Xbox 360 didn't have that many great games towards the end and relied on third party. What did people do instead? Watch Netflix, so of course their system will be based off entertainment. Meanwhile Sony keeps pumping out awesome games. Please note, the games xbox one has now are pretty damn good, I'll admit I'm a Sony guy. But I credit where it's due. In the end we're all gamers.

@magiciandude:
Point is that Sony has the better rep and record in regards to 1st party and in-house support whereas MS has next to none.

Except hardware is designed toward multimedia first and gaming second for Xbox One.

Where as PS4, you see gaming first and multimedia second.

Not only that, look at MS's first party devs...It is smaller and weaker.

Just look at last gen. After first 2 years, Xbox 360 went into exclusive draught mode. All they do is purchase short term exclusive during launch phase and stop making exclusives after.

Given the fact that MS has done exactly same as last gen, you know the draughts are coming.

Difference is the PS4 still acts and feels like a video game machine while the XB1 feels like garbage and nothing like what a console should feel like. Even it's functionality is garbage.

I have both. XB1 sucks.

And MS has Windows commercials every three minutes. What's your point? Heck, MS can't even seem to mention Xbox nowadays without mentioning Windows 10.

@Rookie

Really? MS has been pushing Windows hard on TV. Not games for windows, but Windows itself. They also push surface and their Nokia phones. Both MS and Sony have plenty of X1 and PS4 ads respectively, typically when coupled with some game marketing deal or first party release.

For games, MS likes to use, "best lineup -insert time frame here- in Xbox history", then talk about cross buy with....you guessed it...WINDOWS, then one generic game ad they run for a month or so before mixing it up. They talk about Cloud and DX12. Then once in a while when they have a game coming out, they talk about that for a month.

So I'm not really seeing the problem with a company advertising it's products that exist. PS Vue is not taking anything away from the gaming section of Sony, so who cares? It has one ad on their store front. Otherwise, when it comes to ads, what does that really have to do with anything when there is still plenty of stuff in development, and Sony has shown no signs of slowing down their new game releases?

@germaximus

Whatever kid!

@commandobro

I believe phantom dust is back on the radar and fable can be picked up and created by another team.

There's also Uncharted 4 commercials and Ratchet & Clank.
What's your point?

@S2Killinit

"the problem isnt that consoles shouldnt include tv options"

I wouldn't say they shouldn't include them at all, but they definitely need to clearly be a gaming console first, with other features as a bonus. We get new options with every gen, from playing just games to playing CDs, DVDs, Blu-ray, Internet browsing, downloading apps, etc. So if there are good TV features that can be added then go ahead. I don't see how that's different.

MS definitely screwed up the Xbox One reveal though and I think that's the primary reason the sales gap is as big as it is, because of all the negativity surrounding the Xbox at the time.

Ps vue????

Never Heard of it...tell me more out it.

Magiciandude.. Until dawn, infamous ss, killzone, little big planet 3,the show, driveclub, bloodborne ( from software/ Sony Japan ) are all first party.

This year: last guardian, uncharted 4, the show, horizon, gt sport, gravity rush 2 are all first party games.

Sony hasn't changed n in fact, theyve adapted to the new field by also securing 3rd party deals which they didn't do last gen.

Windows 10
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Sony did it the right way. They started by focusing on gamers and added entertainment. They didn't ignore the hardcore gamers that built them in lieu of the Netflix crowd. They didn't come out with an inferior product, charge more and tell us what we wanted, and then cap it off with a, "deal with it!".

That's not the point but whatever floats your boat.

Advertisements have nothing to do with the flip flopping Microsoft has done this generation.

That's odd, Ive never seen a single one. Also I think you watch to much TV.

Awww well it didnt take long for a fanboy to get all upset.

@ Rookie_Monster

Microsoft just released a game focused around a TV series.

You clearly have no idea what PSTV is beyond the name, but enjoy bringing it up in the conversation to try and turn this around on Sony. Hilarious. Sony dedicates parts of its conference to optional TV services that the console is NOT built around, and still comes out the other side with far more original games and exclusives than the Xbox One.

Yet you want to talk about Sony's direction being more TV than Microsoft. Ironic. That company is using Xbox as a means to mention and advertise their their non-gaming Windows PC operating system as much as they can get away with.
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@ magiciandude

At this point in time, PS4 is far more third-party friendly than PS3 was. Yet, PS4 still has about the same amount of third-party exclusives as the Xbox One does. So really you can say exactly what you said about PS4 in regards to XB1 too, but that is not your modus operandi, so why would you?

@ magiciandude (continued)

Are we or are we not talking about the original vision of the Xbox One? You know.... the TV and "broad entertainment" focus and the lack of options that were so egregious that they had to change things based on harsh user feedback. Good that they changed them. Would be disingenuous of me if I was to say that you are out of choice, currently. Sadly, you were misguided in your accusations and might want to read my comment through next time. You're about as disingenuous as you want to accuse me of, proven by your prior comments and lack of ability to justify them when quizzed. And as usual, you didn't even bother covering my reply to you, but tried hard to make this more about me instead than the point at hand. Textbook misdirection.

@DigitalRaptor

It's amazing that everything Sony does that fanboys bash MS for doing is "optional," yet TV on Xbox One has always been optional. I only watch YouTube and Twitch on my Xbox One, and spend rest of my time playing games. How cool is that? Options, just like you said not long ago in a PS4.5 article. As always, you're disingenuous. ;)

But now Sony is putting a lot of resources into VR and there will be a lot of games that feel like tech demos while Microsoft is focused completely on Xbox One games

Laser focus? Yet ps4 seem to have the games most hardcore gamers can't wait to play this year.

Third party to carry them? Yet they have more 1st party games out there n more to come this year.

@Trez1234 you tell me which company has a rapidly expanding TV service , a 4k movie streaming service , and has at least 2 of its big 1st party studios working on a new platform .

Who are these fans?

The only people who are upset about the games going to PC are extreme fanboys. Crapgamer and the like on the Xbox side and the extreme PS fanboys who act like they buy games on PC just to be a dick about console wars. Both are stupid.

Meanwhile MS is making more money by selling them on PC. More sales for them. They sell to PC fans and the occasional PS fan who refuses to buy an Xbox but still likes xbox games. So it's a win win for everyone involved.