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Microsoft Studios site removes 5 more studios

Logos for Lionhead Studios and Press Play Studios have both been removed from the Microsoft Studios website following yesterday's announcement that both are set to close. But that's not all.

A further five studios and the Project Spark logo were also removed from the website last night, including Kinect Joy Ride developer BigPark, along with Function Studios, Good Science, LXP and SOTA.

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FasterThanFTL13705d ago

Looks like Microsoft is serious about quality. Almost all the studios being closed were making no games I was interested in. So no loss from a consumer point of view.

Snookies123705d ago

No games 'you' were interested in. Key word there, others might have been and it's a loss to them.

Elwenil3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

Very true but on the other hand, do we as gamers really want sub-par games? Naturally there is no accounting for tastes, but if Microsoft as the publisher felt they were not making quality games, it may be better that they were closed down.

The flip side is it's definitely a sad thing for the employees themselves and I hope they can all move on to bigger and better things but from a business standpoint as well as a value for gamers, this may be the best thing in the end.

GameNameFame3705d ago

@Elwenil

Comeon man. THat is the most desperate damage control I've heard.

Really? No one is forcing bad game down anyone throat and it is not like MS is protecting you. Not to mention the fact that there are tester gamers who helps game retain quality.

Quit damage controlling... Past few weeks have been crazy.

-MS gives away Xbox exclusives:
Fans spin losing exclusive as good thing.
-MS mentions converting Xbox into PC steambox:
Everything fan didnt like about PC is like best thing ever.
-MS closes studios down:
Fans spin into MS protecting gamers from bad quality games.

mikeslemonade3705d ago

Toughest 2 weeks for a Xbox supporter

Griever3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

Is Xbox One finally Xbox Done?? Games are delayed more than a whole year. Many of those stated to be releasing this year do not have release dates or even gameplay videos. Most former exclusives heading to PC. Executives talk about releasing upgradeable consoles and essentially turning it into a service. First party studios closing and big-name exclusive game cancelled. Phantom Dust cancelled. Lionhead Studios producer calling them "destroyer of first party."

What is next? Seas of Thieves cancelled? Recore cancelled? We still havent seen Crackdown 3 running on an Xbox One even though it is supposedly releasing this summer. Nobody has seen the single player campiagn that will supposedly released later. It looks like the end for Xbox once they release or cancel all the games currently in development.

miyamoto3705d ago

Yes, that is a lot of studios that disappeared.

Overload3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@Elwenil

Microsoft owns the IP's for Lost Oddessy, Jade Empire, PGR, Conker and Crimson Skies and spent 400 million on an NFL deal.

Who made the deal between Xbox One and the NFL? Phil Spencer.

4Sh0w3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

Seems Microsoft is trimming some fat today. Although I read in the comments from the tweet that this may be re-branding of some of those studios, perhaps merging a few together but other than Lionhead with Fable Legends I'm not going to make much of studios like "Good Science" closing when there's really not a body of work we've played or known games were looking forward to. -Anyone know of any past or present game from any of these 8 studios???...any names of cancelled games from them??? Either way I hope all the good folks get offers to stay employed elsewhere.

-Edit, ahhh just read most of these studios are Kinect related, makes more sense now.

Overload you do know that Microsoft is a huge company that makes a pc/tablet line called Surface Pro, that deal involves a full NFL ad campaign with Surface Pros used during pregame analysis, halftime, etc and by coaches during every NFL game...or are you suggesting a mega billion dollar corporation should ONLY pour all their resources into gaming?, lol

sonarus3705d ago

To me this is just Microsoft doing a little belt tightening. I remember Sony had to shut down some studios after the Ps3 faltered out of the gate. They had to trim the fat big time. Microsoft is probably doing the same thing. Makes no sense to invest heavy in first party studios if no confidence that the sales will make the venture worthwhile. Makes sense to shut some down to refocus resources where they could matter.
Just speculating though

LostDjinn3705d ago

It's common knowledge the in order to diversify your software lineup you need to diminish your talent pool. How else or they going to show gamers they care?

Nasty "oversight" there snookie. *smh*

BG115793705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@4sh0w If they continue to trimming the fat like this, they end up trimming the Xbox one to.
You know, going to PC and all of that...
For their next console they are already trimming the console cycle for the hardware, for the one year cycle like the smartphone...

Elwenil3705d ago

@NameGameFame,

Check my comments, pal. I don't even own an Xbox. Never have, never will. But the facts remain that with a lot of the less than stellar games coming out these days at full price with all sorts of promises, if publishers shut down under-performing studios, I have no issues with it other than the impact on the employees, which is a sad but necessary fact of life. I was not happy when Sony shut down Zipper, but considering MAG's issues and SOCOM 4 being a complete bomb, yeah, it was time for them to go. Not all games can be hits and even if fans and devs love an IP, it takes more than love to make money and that is what the publishers are in the business for.

rainslacker3705d ago

I can think of quite a few games which many would consider sub-par that I quite enjoy.

AngelicIceDiamond3705d ago

@Griever "Games are delayed more than a whole year."

That means nothing games get delayed all the time.

"Most former exclusives heading to PC."

That MS PLANNED all along not bad news.

"Phantom Dust cancelled."

Of all ppl I know all about Phantom Dust and its not cancelled. Though realistically I wouldn't be surprised if it did.

"We still havent seen Crackdown 3 running on an Xbox One even though it is supposedly releasing this summer."

The beta's coming this summer and will probably release late summer We have to wait till E3 for details.

Those other games Im sure are safe MS would have to be out of their minds to get rid of the rest of their line up, I mean obviously.

Had to correct you on some points.

Why o why3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

Next up

Halo on playstation

More gamers get to play and ms gets more money right. .......

I say this because from what I hear on here, exclusives don't matter and it's selfish not to want other people to play the same game.

WelkinCole3705d ago

Its funny how fast xbox fans sh!t on these devs.

I can remember most of them put these studios on their list to compete with Sony first party list and were touting them.

Now its just MS trimming the fat lol!

AngelicIceDiamond3705d ago

Hate this news and gets me very worried about future games on X1.

But there's no way N4G gonna try and tell me about Phantom Dust. Yall gonna believe Griever a guy who knows little about Phantom Dust when PD is my most favored game of all time so clearly I keep up with it. No the game is not cancelled trust me I know better. If theres anyone to believe on that its me or anyone else who actually follows the game closely.

Everything I said was fair, rational and level headed so its not me I checked my facts. But all the fanboys are getting a kick out of the news. Upvote the fanboy comments no matter how dumb they are, Of course you guys will do just that. Since that's the case no point in arguing since Im a get smothered down anyway I'm right you guys are wrong and there's nothing nobody can say or do about it ( :

AngelicIceDiamond3705d ago

@Why Well PC isn't the same as PS4 when it comes to overall appeal or popularity. Halo going to PS4 will change the gamingscape forever if it went to PC it would be a big deal but not the same as if it were on PS4 not nearly the same actually. Everything you said only applies to PC WIN10 specifically MS own software not another competing console so that doesnt make sense.

But ppl will swear that I'm "wrong" somehow though watch lol.

Why o why3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

im just having a sly dig Angelic. I know the differences but despite that, MS would gain more money if they put all their exclusives on playstation. Many seem to think games going to pc won't affect the x1 so why couldn't the same apply to them being on ps too

Ezz20133705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@rdgneoz3
**"" They got rid of 8 studios and never told anyone until the last moment pretty much... Twitter mentioned people being in a meeting being told what was happening as the article went up...
Hell, a Lionhead community manager just 5 hours before the announcement was talking about how they were going over feedback and trying to make the best game possible.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave... **

Wow, that sucks

I don't understand how some xbox fans are saying Microsoft is trimming some fat or getting rid of "bad" studios or whatever excuse they will come up with.

8 studios closed and ppl losing their jobs...that's sucks
no matter how much you spin this and not a good sign at all.

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kickerz3705d ago

You know what I find really weird, 90% of the people in this thread are Sony guys just looking to have a dig at Microsoft. It's so lame. As an Xbox gamer, yes I'm slightly disappointed in Fable legends but that's it. Theses other studios were mostly making Kinect games which I'm sure none of us Xbox guys are gonna lose sleep over. It's sad theses developers won't have jobs, but I wish them all the best, they may even end up in a better studio. I have never seen so much over reaction in my life.

Griever3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@ people calling this trimming

Sony was in financial trouble with years of losses and potentially its survival at stake so they had to resort to extreme measures. What kind of trouble is MS in that they have close so many studios, cancel games and think about adopting smartphone model for Xbox? Xbox fanboys always boasted the infinitely deep pockets and massive profits of MS compared to Sony. We clearly know they are not in financial trouble so the only other explanation is they are getting out of the home console industry or at least the traditional home console industry.

@AngelicIceDiamond

Look at the gif posted by Cupid Viper. That is what is going on with Xbox fans right now. They are just refusing to acknowledge what is unfolding before their eyes.

G20WLY3705d ago

Sure, there are game cancellations here and gamers lose out. But the biggest loss here is to the employees.

This is crazy, it's like Xbox is imploding before our very eyes.

I just hope those employees manage to come out of this alright in the end and move on to bigger, better things. I'm sure they will.

Volkama3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@Why o why I don't think MS are really in it to sell games OR hardware, which might initially sound odd but makes sense when you think about it.

Their ultimate goal in publishing is to sit back and make money off of the work of others. They primarily make games to build up a closed ecosystem (The Xbox platform, the Windows store). Once they have that, they get to syphon money from everyone else that wants to publish games there.

You only need to look at what they did with the 360 to confirm that part of their strategy.

That might make them sound nefarious, but it's really a core concept of the console gaming industry, and consumer software industry in general (see Apple).

Personally I'd love to see all exclusive games spread across consumer-friendly open platforms, but it's catch 22. Platform holders wouldn't be injecting the cash to make these AAA games at all if they weren't trying to build up these closed ecosystems.

alvgamin4lif3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@AngelicIceDiamond

I'll agree with you that games getting delayed aren't that big of a deal since It's kind of like the norm for games to get delayed nowadays. As a matter of fact I can't remember a single recent AAA game that didn't get delayed.

However I have to disagree with you here,
""Most former exclusives heading to PC."

That MS PLANNED all along not bad news."

First of all MS focusing on pc from the start is pr and it's quite recent pr as a matter of fact. Let me give you a real example here, have you heard of the kickstarter unsung story? The devs (lead by the producer of final fantasy tactics, I believe?) promised a game in the veins of fft. However approximately a year later they send of an update informing backer that pvp will start in june 2016. They never talked about a multiplayer in this game and when questioned they said that multiplayer was the plan all along. From the very beginning. Sounds familiar?

Secondly MS losing exclusives isn't a good thing...no wait let me rephrase that, xbox1 losing exclusives isn't a good thing. It's a win-win scenario for MS as people might purchase their games on xbox1 or pc however the lack of exclusives devalues a console. Why should I go for a xbox1 when I can use that money towards a gaming laptop (or desktop for people who doesn't play games on laptops)? If all or most exclusives end up on pc then people might as well pick up a ps4 and a pc (or a wii u if they don't like sony exclusives and only care for the multiplatform games). Exclusives define a console. I might pick up a xbox1 because I love the simplicity of console gaming but do I represent the entire gaming community?

EDIT: I changed "will" with "might". I have to wait and hear about MS plans for xbox before making a purchase.

alvgamin4lif3705d ago

@AngelicIceDiamond

You're right about games getting delayed all the time.
You're right about the fact that PD isn't cancelled (It's in a dormant stage for now).
You're right about the fact that we need to wait and see carckdown 3 before we judge it.
However you're wrong about MS's plan for xbox and that fact that losing exclusives is a good thing.

"I'm right you guys are wrong and there's nothing nobody can say or do about it ( :" - a bit childish attitude here :)
I can only point out whether you're right or not and to point out you're wrongs as well. What more did you expect?

Gazondaily3705d ago

@Welkin
"I can remember most of them put these studios on their list to compete with Sony first party list and were touting them. "

Really?

"including Kinect Joy Ride developer BigPark, along with Function Studios, Good Science, LXP and SOTA."

These devs appeared on which lists?

TFJWM3705d ago

@Septic Yes even those studios were on some lists. I remember people putting lists with every single MS studio when trying to compare their first party vs Sony first party

Kingthrash3603705d ago

Can't belive people still are ignoring this.
Something clearly is happening and it's not looking good for the future of xbox as a console.
Like it or not this is how bowing out of the competition looks.
Cancelling putting big exclusives on pc, fable cancelling, now this.
Wake up.

mark_parch3705d ago

@abzdiine

not many people were happy about fable legends most people made it quite clear they wanted fable 4. gutted for all the people at lionhead though the game looked beautiful

Yetter3705d ago

Other than lionhead/Fable, please tell me the name of one game that any one of these studios has released, or is working on

kickerz3705d ago

So let me get this straight ... If Sony trims down some studios it's no biggie, but if Microsoft trims down some studios (mostly Kinect studios) it's the end of Microsoft, they're doooooomed... Just not seeing the logic here hey.

Gazondaily3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@mark_parch

"@abzdiine

not many people were happy about fable legends most people made it quite clear they wanted fable 4. "

Yeah precisely but people like to pretend don't they? Disingenuous and uninformed people aside, it is hardly felt as a big loss...unless of course you desperately want to make a point about it. Mind you, I've seen the same people believe its some sort of downplaying when they themselves thought Fable Legends looked poor. And these same people liked knack and the order and think there was a media conspiracy against them lol.

Its not a good thing having a studio shut down of course...but it was shut for a reason and if the quality isnt up tp scratch you don't want a rushed, u unfinished and poor game on your hands. We have seen a few examples of those this gen

_-EDMIX-_3705d ago

@Overload- MS doesn't own the Jade Empire IP, Bioware does. MS was simply publishing their game like they published Mass Effect.

EA bought the IP of Mass Effect from Bioware, not MS as Bioware owned the IP to Mass Effect, Mass Effect etc, MS never owned an IP from Bioware.

cheetah3704d ago

In the business world, this is what you do when you plan on selling the company. Cut the fat, and make it look as lean as possible to buyers. Watch this space, the XBOX brand will be sold by MS very soon. It's over.

bouzebbal3704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

@Septic:
Everytime fanboys like christolus and others bring up x1 list of exclusives Fable Legends is among these.
Fable Legends not being a big deal all of a sudden is hypocritical.
And here we go with Knack again.. i like it.....because i PLAYED it.

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Overload3705d ago

That is the craziest spin possible at the possibility of Microsoft losing 8 studios.

TheBurger293705d ago

Next week we might see an article of sony picking up 8 new studios.

Bigpappy3705d ago

They didn't loose any studios. They got rid of 8 studios

rdgneoz33705d ago

@Bigpappy They got rid of 8 studios and never told anyone until the last moment pretty much... Twitter mentioned people being in a meeting being told what was happening as the article went up...

Hell, a Lionhead community manager just 5 hours before the announcement was talking about how they were going over feedback and trying to make the best game possible.
https://twitter.com/VG_Dave...

Overall, hopefully those people find jobs. Not fun getting fired without notice and having a family to feed.

TheCommentator3705d ago

I think we should just wait and see what all of these recent changes mean for XB1 before jumping to conclusions.

For all we know, MS could be ditching the studios that aren't profitable in favor of spending the money on new IP that people have been asking for. Hell, some of these studios were Kinect devs, so why keep them around anyways? What we do know is MS already has unannounced IP in development, but does anyone here know how many, or who's developing them? Will MS use the available resources from these closures to buy Remedy or other studios to broaden their portfolio of 1st party devs?

We can all speculate, but too many people around here are blowing things out of proportion based around assumptions IMO.

rainslacker3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@TheCOmmentator

While certainly possible that MS is making new studios, or something akin to WWS like Sony has, it seems that just closing down so many studios, regardless of their stature, and not stating such a plan going forward is rather dumb from a PR point of view.

All the negativity they have right now could be lessened if they just said those people were being reassigned, or they were restructuring their corporate model. Or maybe not....Most of Sony announcement about studio closures was accompanied by such statements and most people ignored that little tidbit.

I think the biggest problem facing XBox/MS right now, at least from a public relations point of view, is they seem to have no clear plan of how they are moving forward. MS as a whole seems to have a clear plan with all the one platform/Windows stuff, but the Xbox brand just seems to be in this kind of obfuscated limbo of PR jargon and feel good hyperbole from it's executives. Those kinds of things tend to compound over time, and I think the last couple weeks just was the tipping point where people really start to see that something more is happening with the Xbox brand than what meets the eye.

That being said, just because these studios focused on Kinect games, doesn't mean they didn't have the skill to make more expansive games. It takes a lot of money to close a studio(wierd premise I know), and it takes a lot more to open a new one, not to mention how time consuming it is to open a new studio/studios. If MS plans to open new studios, then it'll be about a year before they begin production on games, whereas these other studios could have been restructured into AAA class developers with nothing more than hiring some more staff and setting up the internal infrastructure

TheCommentator3704d ago

I understand your point about the financial burdens associated with closing and opening studios, Rain. It is entirely possible, however, that there are 3rd party studios like Remedy that MS would rather buy than continue to spend money on studios that aren't made up of people MS believes can put out the quality necessary to be successful. Sometimes it's better to cut losses and start over.

Maybe GDC or E3 will shed some light on what MS intends, but I agree that there's a lot of negativity that could have been reduced with the insertion of news about new studios or IP. Let's face it though, MS has never been known to be very tactful when it comes to releasing information, lol.

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GameDev13705d ago

Way to spin it this situation my good man, such positivity

Has nothing to do with quality, more to do with software that sells more to the Xbox fanbase

lelo2play3705d ago

What the hell is happening with Microsoft? Are they broke or something?

At this moment I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft closed down Mojang.

MannGamer3705d ago

Not possible, this is Microsoft we are talking about, the company make a shit ton of money. They make so much money that Xbox Fan says loosing some in the Xbox division would not hurt them at all and that they will keep investing on Xbox because they have the money for that.

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S2Killinit3705d ago

Nice damage control there.
I wonder if this is MS's first move toward turning xbox into a steam machine? What is going on with closing studios of late??

Darkfist3705d ago

lol, if thats the case then they should close Rare since they didnt make any good quality games

Riseer3705d ago

Yea Crackdown 3 is suspect

rainslacker3705d ago

Hate to hate on CD3, but seriously, the 2nd game wasn't that great. First one was pretty decent. All three were/are developed by different studios with lackluster releases in their portfolio. So if quality is an issue that causes games to get cancelled and studios shut down, CD3 isn't safe.

Something to ponder since not much has been shown of CD3 and it's less than stellar critical reception history. Most of the hype around CD3 seems to be around it's destructible environments and cloud, yet the game play I've seen hardly any mention of.

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MasterCornholio3705d ago

Why does this remind me of Phil Spencer's 1st class citizen comment?

WelkinCole3705d ago

So it is the fault of these 8 studios that they suck?.

MS and how they treat their devs like Bungie do not get any of the blame?.

Yeah sure.

mEATgrinder3705d ago

Yeah, this is all about Microsofts resergence, either get on board or go

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Relientk773705d ago

I feel really bad for these studios and developers. They don't deserve this

CartBlanche3705d ago

It is a MASSIVE loss for consumers! They basically removed all the studios that gave the Xbox One the little diversity of games it so badly needed to get gamers of ALL types onto the console.
All the studios left are dude Bro shooters and Car sims.

Rare being the only possible exception. Can Rare really churn out a diverse selection of tastes for gamers who don't like Gears of War, Halo and Forza? I very much doubt it.

The other studios can't just keep churning out sequels, as console owners want original IPs at some point.

More nails in the console's coffin. Might as well switch to PCs as this ship is sinking fast.

jojo3193705d ago

Why is everybody forgetting that it's outpacing the 360?? Just because it's a distant second to Sony, does NOT mean they are losing money. BOTH companies are selling more. The "Pie" is MUCH bigger than it used to be. If these "Xbox is dead" people had their way, all other car manufacturers other than number one are "failing". It's a joke.

CartBlanche3704d ago

@jojo if it was the success Microsoft expected it to be.
1. we would know official sales numbers for the console.
2. The Xbox One would actually have console exclusives rather than multi-platforms.
3. They would not be shutting down 8 game studios as there would be demand for all the games.
4. They would not be talking about an upgradable console when they messed up by releasing an under powered machine in the first place.
5. They would be investing in new AAA IPs for their "fastest" selling console.

Do you need more reasons??

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IamTylerDurden13705d ago

Yet, so many xb1 fans were claiming to have enjoyed the beta.

Ppl loved it when they thought it was releasing, and now those same ppl are praising ms for axing a "bad game" and protecting the innocents.

sdcard4gb3705d ago

Duuuude... That's... The highest "Disagree" count I've seen on this site :O
Rightfully so, if I may add.

FN4GM3705d ago

Well thats one way to spin Microsoft having to close studios and people losing their jobs.

AizenSosuke3705d ago

Microsoft I thought they lost 8 studios not 5 but input error on there part, and there's trimming fat and then trimming muscle which can be a dangerous game.

TheTwelve3705d ago

Wow, may reality land upon your face soon.

agame9143705d ago

Wow you seriously must not care about games

Apollosupreme3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

More like they're hurting financially and needed to make slashes. Companies don't toss out assets and sunken costs like this when they have the flexibility of a gaming business. Devs can always be redirected to new projects researched to be good investments. Instead they opt to toss these studios in the trash.

Christopher3705d ago

Just to note: Some of these could be a part of reorganization and not necessarily closing of studios. Perhaps 3 studios working on Hololens get folded under one studio.

_-EDMIX-_3705d ago

Despite the massive disagrees, I agree with you. How much software where those teams even pushing though?

I know folks like games and all and its subjective, but based on pure business...if it isn't moving large enough units to justify operation cost, why keep it?

I believe gamers want good games above all else and if MS felt the team wasn't making good enough games, they are correct to go this route.

I mean...if those games were moving massive units, they would not be getting rid of those teams in the first place.

JMyers3704d ago

Wow... so they are closing studios because they are serious about quality? If this was the case they would support the games and studios by investing in quality testing... not shutting them down. Extremely deluded point of view

frostypants3704d ago

"The Titanic isn't sinking! It's just unloading excess air."

Realms3702d ago

MS has no direction when it comes to X1 unless they are planning a full force push on PC next gen. All the other moves they are making are puzzling to me as far as their console presence is concerned it should be troubling if you own an X1. Fanboys are rejoicing I frankly don't care but it's interesting to see the MS strategy moving forward.

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DanzoSAMA3705d ago

Great, quality over quantity.

I think Microsoft should purchase remedy now.

SpaceRanger3705d ago

Quality over quantity?

Oh that's right, I guess it's impossible to have both? Oh wait, MS loves to give you choices. Silly me, I forgot!

Godmars2903705d ago

No. They love to make you pay for choice.

As for topic, missing how they're closing studios when they started this gen by buying/creating them in order to make more content. Sort of a quality within quantity kind of thing.

Eonjay3705d ago

It better be quality because the quantity is falling fast.

Rookie_Monster3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

Com on dude 7/8 of these studios closing (even the one core studio, Lionhead haven't been relavent for many years now and made Fable Kinect), BigPark (Kinect Joy Ride; Kinect Sports), Function (Kinect), Good Science (Kinect Adventures; Kinect Fun Labs), LXP - (Kinect),Press Play (Max: The Curse of Brotherhood; Kalimba), Team Dakota (Project Spark), and State of the Art (Kinect) only makes Kinect/indies titles. Unless you guys still want Kinect titles, then the money saved will be taken to greater use for core gaming.

LOL, I like how you all of a sudden have so much concerns for Kinect studios. It is just trimming excess fat before the full plan of core gaming explosion with the XB1/Windows 10 initiative. I and many sees it as a good thing. It is like Sony letting go of studios that are making Move titles.

Gority3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@Rookie

Damage control. A lot of people had good things to say about Fable Legends and with it going into open beta THIS SPRING, there's no reason not to give it a little more time, especially since it was going to be PC/X1 cross play.

Press Play was working on a title people were excited about, Team Spark had a lot of talented people.

You also don't know the definition of indie titles. MS doesn't make indie titles BY definition. Smaller games do not equal indie titles and you should know that right now.

There's also no indication of the resources for those studios being redirected so you are simply making an assumption. You say there's going to be an explosion of core games for X1/PC but legends was supposed to be part of that. Even assuming you're right, then MS needs to have better messaging about it, not letting people continue to wonder if they are losing faith in the Xbox brand.

Rookie_Monster3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@Gority

You said Damage Control. BUT real Xbox fans don't even care about those games. Can you specifically tell me when was Project Spark officially released? I thought it was still in beta, like everyone else. I THINK you got it all wrong as the damage control are you guys that are hating on Xbox as 7/8 of those studios were Kinect and indies. And for Lionhead Studios that hasn't made a good game since Fable 2, another Fable could be easily made by another studios just like Halo Wars 2 is currently being coded by RTS masters, Creative assembly after The original Halo Wars creators were dissolved.

I can't believe the day I came to witnessed when people are saddened over indies and Motion control studios being dissoved. LoL, Concerned trolling at its best.

ThePope3705d ago

@gority

"There's also no indication of the resources for those studios being redirected so you are simply making an assumption. "

There is also no indication to the contrary so not only are YOU making an assumption you're trying to call someone else out for doing the same.

Move along.

BG115793705d ago

So these studios are irrelevant because at a time they were kind of forced to make Kinect game...
I'm wondering whom forced them to do kinect games.
It's going to be fun when MS demands studios to do software for their gimmickly augmented reality thingy...

notachance3705d ago

'real xbox fans'

wtf was that, is Xbox supposed to be a cult or something? you get anything from defending them bro? real gamers should criticized questionable moves from any companies no matter what.

'I can't believe the day I came to witnessed when people are saddened over indies and Motion control studios being dissoved'

PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS, a normal thinking people would be concerned, or at least someone with conscience. You really think these people involved with kinect without MS telling them to, bro?

I swear, MS fanboys say the darndest things.

BitbyDeath3705d ago

@rookie, outside of Halo, Gears and Forza which other studios have actually been relevant?

0.

Do you really only want 3 devs making the same 3 games every 1-2 years?

G20WLY3705d ago

^So, Rookie, 'real xbox fans' don't care about these Kinect games, you say? Yeh, screw the family market, I guess?!

How times have changed...I could have sworn it was the most amazing thing in the world, according to fanboys.

Can you clarify, was it when MS finally realised it was actually pretty crap for playing games that it became cool to be indifferent about it?

Tut tut, what would Milo* say to you now? :(

*if that game had actually been real and had the AI it slyly portrayed. lol

NukaCola3705d ago

Rookie, these arent Kinect Studios... these are talented people who were mandated to make Kinect games and then thrown away. This isn't like they were companies who dropped the ball. They got screwed. Why not use their talents to create something AAA? Why just dump them off?

Gority3705d ago

@Rookie

Dude I can't even take you seriously when you call MS published titles indies. Look up the definition of indie please.

Project Spark came out two years ago in retail. You, a "real" xbox fan didn't realize because you weren't an Xbox fan back then. You were a PS4 fanboy, and suddenly switched from being a terrible PS4 fanboy, to an Xbox fanboy. Either way, it's just bad.

@ThePope

Actually no, I said MS messaging has been bad most of this generation so they need to be clear about it. So yeah, I called him out for making an assumption, and now I'm calling you out for putting words in my mouth.

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DonkeyDoner3705d ago

yeah like forza right?release every year

CYCLEGAMER3705d ago

Can you please enlighten us on what Forza game is released every year. The only simularities i see in Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon is the first word in the title.

badz1493705d ago

@MELMAN26

By your logic, CoD is also not released every year!

Azzanation3705d ago

Since when is Forza Horizon the same as Forza Motorsport?
I thought Playground Games make Horizon and Turn make Motorsport.

CYCLEGAMER3705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

@badz149 & Kudostoyou

By your logic, NBA 2k and NBA Jam or the same game, just because the both have NBA in the title. One is a NBA/basketball simulator and the other is an arcade style, unrealistic basketball game.

Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon are two completely different games by two completely different devs. One is a racing simulator and the other is an arcade style open world racer. Have you guys even played the games????

You guys are ridiculous...lol

badz1493704d ago

@MELMAN26

I was not implying that Forza MS & Horizon are the same game but kudostoya did say Forza, not what type of game they are and that's the truth so far this gen!

just like how most people here tend to see only CoD and still say things like "it's the same game since CoD4" when that can't be further from the truth, I bet most people are looking at Forza the same way, which is, "Forza is released annually"!

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ScorpiusX3705d ago

That would be a great buy and what wonderful group of people and studio.

G20WLY3705d ago

It would be a shame for them to face the same prospective fate as the likes of Rare though, no?

Better off allowing them a little freedom by staying well away from an MS buyout, rather than watching them fade away.

ScorpiusX3705d ago

Here's to a great purchase of Remedy and its IPs and may it happen soon

Fin_The_Human3705d ago

Yes MS should purchase Remedy and Play Ground...those guys have proved that they can be first party.

Also Iron Galaxy should also be considered by MS.

-Foxtrot3705d ago

I would not want Remedy destroyed in years to come.

I would rather see Remedy go multiplatform. Story driven games thrive on the Playstation and Alan Wake would have gotten the recognition it deserves if it was.

HawaiianDreads3704d ago

They tried to in the past but Remedy said NO, they like being independent.

SUCKxITxEZ3705d ago

So that means no more 343 right? Cuz that mcc was one massive turd.

CartBlanche3705d ago

t is a MASSIVE loss for consumers! They basically removed all the studios that gave the Xbox One the little diversity of games it so badly needed to get gamers of ALL types onto the console.
All the studios left are dude Bro shooters and Car sims.

Rare being the only possible exception. Can Rare really churn out a diverse selection of tastes for gamers who don't like Gears of War, Halo and Forza? I very much doubt it.

The other studios can't just keep churning out sequels, as console owners want original IPs at some point.

More nails in the console's coffin. Might as well switch to PCs as this ship is sinking fast.

baodeus3705d ago

Well MS does want to have the most diverse contents available, but since they are closing these studios, it means they might be able to get contents from some where else and they don't need these studios for that. Here is a theory, but most likely something MS had in mind given the current situations:

- unify window app across devices
- azure -> an all out digital space for all digital contents providers/application designers
- xbox one = PC, so digital contents providers (steam, EA Access, GOG, etc....) should be enabled on xbox one as well with ease
- Sataya and Phils already made it clear since the beginning, that they want to provide the most contents ever

with those in mind, it means one thing:
- MS want to be a central hub for all digital content providers/application designers using Azure as leverage. If this is true (which most likely is the case), MS don't really need these 8 studios to provide or diversify their contents if at all, given most contents do come from 3rd party.

CartBlanche3705d ago

@baodeus Based on that logic of "most contents do come from 3rd party" why keep the other studios at all then?? So Microsoft just becomes a publisher on all platforms. They can sell off or get rid of the financial overhead and burden of the teams behind Gears, Halo and Forza and let them self-publish or publish through EA or some other company.So get rid of them and wait for other 3rd party devs to come up with something interesting for their PC store?

I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense to me at all.

baodeus3705d ago

@cartblanche

so how come steam is doing so well without having any contents of their own? Same goes for Apple and Android? look at MS previous and current attempt at providing their own contents for their mobile devices (since most digital contents provider just focus on apple and android), has it working? No, nobody care. If you want to succeed in getting the most contents, it has to rely on 3rd party/independent/indie, etc...developers.

Same with x360, PS4, PS2, PS1, supernintendo, Nintendo, as well, see how 3rd party support can turn the tide. Did having the most unique exclusive IPS like Nintendo help them prosper against xbox one and ps4? Do you really think exclusive matter? Contents matter, and who ever get the most contents win, regardless if it is exclusives or not.

What MS is doing is no different than what apple and google is doing, that is to provide a digital ecosystem made easy for any digital contents provider/application designer to distribute/sell/promote their contents.

The difference is that MS already has their foot in the console gaming (hence they do keep some of the more prominent 1st party contents developers), where as apple, android, steam do not. Most PC gamers also use windows anyways. So why not combine all of them into one? It is the only place where MS has a chance to compete the likes of apple and google in the digital entertainment. MS is not competing with Sony if at all in the overall scheme of an all out digital entertainment future. That is why they invested so much into expanding Azure (same goes with google, apple, amazon, etc...), Sony is not even on the radar in that field.

You don't understand where they are going because you probably don't know the economy really well, don't do trend analysis and where the economy are headed, or just plain ignorance/deny of what is coming. It is actually pretty obvious, in your face kind of obvious, of where everything are headed if you willing to accept it.

baodeus3705d ago

I believe if you look at MS as more than just a console and beyond the stupid imaginary console war on here, you might see a better picture. :D Hopes that help.

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JMyers3704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

What happened to MS investing in games development? In new IPs? Was this not all the talk from the xbox camp... praising MS for studio development and IP investment over the life cycle of the XB1? Now they are doing the opposite and the story has now changed to "quality over quality"...? Another 180 more like.

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Hoffmann3705d ago

They want to rename themselfes into Microsoft Studio_ I guess

AmIRite?!?

remixx1163705d ago (Edited 3705d ago )

I almost pissed myself 😂

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LOL_WUT3705d ago

If it benefits the company by getting rid of studios that weren't productive, then I'm all for it otherwise Microsoft has some serious explaining to do. ;)

jb2273705d ago

So they just completely clean house? I find it hard to believe that 8 full studios weren't productive. Even if that is the case, MS shares a large portion of the blame being that it is their job to keep their studios productive. Also, if we are believing everything the execs say, then those studios were doing amazing jobs only a week ago.

I've never seen so much spin...I mean these devs are out jobs & the best that the MS fanbase can give them is a "good riddance"? It's beginning to sound more & more like some people are more "Microsoft fans" than they are "game fans"...it'd be foolish to think that there was no talent at any of these 8 studios, and if they were all being sluggish, it may have been a better course of action to hire new management than to lay them all off entirely.

Seems like the writing is on the wall that rolling into a new fiscal year, MS is cleaning house in the Xbox division, and they will be working with a skeleton crew until they can bring their numbers up. Sounds more like Xbox is officially on notice from the brass at MS proper, so I see no cause for celebration, this isn't trimming the fat, this is cutting the legs off.

rlow13705d ago

Very dramatic reply, but to which xbox fans are you speaking of? Sounds pretty general what your implying. I love how people group others and then add their own biased view to it so as to make them into this sinister, heartless group that feeds on the misery of others. Grow up.

rainslacker3705d ago

More logical course of action would be to manage the studio in a way that is productive instead of wasting money on projects which never see the light of day for release.

Herbalistic3705d ago

Rare may be next if Sea of Thieves fails to be successful.

SpeakTruthAlways3705d ago

I am more surpirsed at the fact that rare survived till now, but futurr does look gloomy as you rightfully said friend.

Darkfist3705d ago

rare survived because of company's accomplishment in the past, but since MS bought the studio made nothing good, and most of employees left anyway, now its just a name

RGB3705d ago

"Rare may be next if Sea of Thieves fails to be successful."

Lionhead weren't even given a chance with Fable, who's to say MS will give that luxury to Rare?

FallenAngel19843704d ago (Edited 3704d ago )

Rare has a more iconic history than Lionhead with a much larger stable of IPs. Not to mention that it was Rare that created the Xbox Avatars that Microsoft has grown so fond of.

In other words Rare is a much higher priority than Lionhead.

RGB3704d ago

That's the issue that people have with the Lionhead closure. Rare is still about (as of now) because of history, not because of their AAA games since MS bought them. I'd argue Lionhead has put out better games than Rare since the original Xbox. Another thing too, what you mention, they've closed several casual focused studios yet Rare do the avatar stuff that is more casual than core focused.

Very weird, bizarre, how fast this happened and people should be worried about Rare in the coming years.

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Microsoft Gaming Revenue Drops 7% Year-on-Year, Content and Services Down 5%, Xbox Hardware Down 33%

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Jin_Sakai23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Not looking good. Hopefully Asha Sharma is able to turn Phil’s disaster around.

dveio17h ago

To me it's still quite remarkable how they can cash-in 5.3bn in revenue in a single quarter, since their hardware is basically dead.

Jingsing15h ago

The stock mark is what makes Microsoft remarkable, They have convinced every institutional and retail investor to just keep piling money into them. Like many big tech giants they are just a big growing pyramid scheme. As long as people keep dropping money into ETF's that cover the market Microsoft will always be liquid. At the same time it is completely stifling innovation and competition. People need to start being more discreet in how they invest their money as it's killing the system.

Tanktopmaster9215h ago

Once they re-evaluate exclusive all will be fine….

S2Killinit15h ago

Riiiiight because people will just flock back to them for one or two games per year.

Jingsing15h ago

15+ years of bad performance is what they call irreparable in business. It is time for them to sell off the assets and get out of entertainment.

Tanktopmaster9213h ago

These declines are on the back of extra revenue received from releasing games like Forza horizon 5 on PlayStation. So I’m being sarcastic here when I said they should go back to exclusives. Killing off a revenue stream from Ps5 sales will only make things worse

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Xbox boss: Memory crisis could impact next-gen hardware pricing

Xbox boss Asha Sharma has discussed how component shortages will impact the company's plans for Project Helix.

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Eonjay2d ago

When does this end? Its killing everyone. Consoles and PC. And for what? AI? The benefits of AI are completely outweighed by the negatives. And the government should have never allowed one company to buy up all the RAM.

Lexreborn23d ago

This kind of proves this is an after thought product, most products like this are in r&d 5 years before they start mass producing. So they typically have the cost of components and things worked out long before assembly starts.

This is an assumption still, but I wouldn’t be surprised if project helix is similar to Scalebound,perfect dark and sod3. They had an idea but no actual execution other than concept stage. Being impacted by the ram shortage likely would also put this device 3-4 years out.

I’m not even sure MS has that endurance with Xbox yet

Fishy Fingers3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I mean.... what?

We're at a point that Samsung wont even provide their own phone department ram because they can sell it at higher prices to 3rd parties (AI). Its more profitable to sell the ram than make their own devices with it.

You think because R&D starts 5 years ago the 3rd party component manufacturers will honour that price? They'll sell it to whomever is paying the most today, not some gentlemens agreement they made years ago. AI farms will buy more volume at higher prices than any console manufacturer will. It'll be the same for Playstation.

Lexreborn22d ago

Contractual agreements are not the same as “gentlemen” agreements. If you think that they work with their distributors a month before production then their entire business model is trash. They work with companies like nvidia constantly for building the graphics cards they need. They work with companies that build motherboards years in advance. This is what proper business planning does.

They are not buying components on a whim like a consumer. So again, considering the ram isn’t a singular module and is integrated into the motherboard I highly doubt they wouldn’t have a final schematic that they are supposed to be building around.

If they are delaying production another 3 years then it’s obvious again this is an after though project and is just trying to be responsive to their bad execution they had the last 14 years.

It also isn’t far fetched to use their failure to produce first party titles the last 7 years including the highly anticipated games I mentioned all being cancelled. That they would continue to you know… lie

Sitdown2d ago

You don't really know how this works huh?

Profchaos3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Helix is going to be stupidly expensive

Instead of leaning into smarter upscaling techniques they're brute forcing hardware that will cost them dearly and it remains to be seen if it's genuinely going to provide a meaningful differential

I know in the oc.doace people like to brag about not using frame gen or dlss to get to high on a game but for the majority of players they happily use those technologies without a second thought

That's going to be ps6 vs Helix

Eonjay2d ago

Yeah with FSR 5 they should be able to offer a much cheaper version of Helix.

Eonjay2d ago

While this does seem to be the case, I am encouraged by the statement from Microsoft about wanting to provide affordable options. If this means a Series S style Helix, at least there will be something affordable being offered.

XBManiac2d ago

Series S is what has killed Xbox Series so... Will they dare?

blacktiger3d ago

It's called systematic inflationary. Yes we get it Microsoft, keep raising in the name ofall kinds of stuffs

pwnmaster30002d ago

Honestly if there was thing I learned from this generation is that new consoles arnt day one anymore.
I can wait 1-3 years.

DarXyde2d ago

Another important lesson from this generation: while Nintendo showed us that prices don't necessarily need to ever drop, we've now learned that waiting 1-3 years does carry some risk that prices increase. This generation is just bizarre in all the wrong ways.

LucasRuinedChildhood2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

The factors are largely external. Covid and Russia-Ukraine war causing inflation led to the first price increase in 2022.

Then we get Trump's tariffs increasing hardware prices, AI boom causing a RAM crisis, war on Iran causing a worldwide fuel crisis which impacts the cost of everything.

Gaming doesn't exist in a vacuum. The last few years have been a shitshow and lot of it was definitely avoidable.

DarXyde2d ago

LucasRuinedChildhood,

For sure. No disagreement on the external factors doing a lot of this. Where I have to gently push back however is on two fronts:

1. The pandemic definitely caused some issues: asynchronous development was a big issue and really complicated timelines and affected game quality. At the same time, when it comes to price hikes, it's really difficult to know what was genuine necessity and what was taking consumers for a ride. The pandemic brought about "stag-flation" which was increasing prices and stagnant wages, which was a problem caused by supply chain constraints. There was also "Greed-flation", where companies that were slightly affected or had no issues took advantage of the situation and squeezed everyone citing supply chain issues when there were none.

2. It's definitely true that the tariffs, AI boom, and RAM crisis were all things enabled by tech broligarchs throwing money at this caricature of a world leader, one of them being Satya Nadella. I don't think Sony and Nintendo have contributed much to this problem if at all, but Microsoft's Nadella I feel was instrumental in causing every one of those issues. Microsoft as a company contributed to both candidates (though they gave Harris 4x as much if I recall), but Nadella was all in on letting AI run wild. He paid for unregulated AI, and got a war that's not a war (even though Trump called it that at least five times on television) that screwed up helium access. So for me, I feel that one of the players in the gaming industry is a key architect of these issues, and for that reason I struggle a bit to think of it as "external".

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'The big things that we're thinking about'

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Agent754d ago

A good start would be to release games to go with the console. My Xbox Series X has gathered dust virtually from launch. My advice would be to ditch a next console and release games on PC, PlayStation and Switch. Another idea would be a hybrid console based on Xbox Series X tech and go the same route as Nintendo. Another idea would be to pull out of gaming altogether. Plenty of options there.

Reaper22_1d 18h ago

Why would they pull out? They have the momentum. Sony has been getting nothing but bad news lately.