@ThePope

And that 3 - 5 years is the wrap up to the current generation of consoles, again allowing Sony to enter the next generation with the title of go to VR console.

There's learning from others experiences which MS is sure to do, but there's also building from personal experience which offers significant advantages. You can build a plan from the outside, however, you can maximize potential and prepare for counter-productivity issues as well when you already have 3 - 5 years of experience dealing with an issue or in this case technology. Someone who is brand new isn't going to have more knowledge or insight of a job you've been working on, and it's the same situation with Sony and MS. MS will more than likely have the AR advantage next-gen, but Sony has the VR advantage both this gen and next, and VR partnerships, and VR relations with VR content creators.

And you finish up your comment with ignorance simply because you have nothing of actual value or substance to add to the discussion outside of MS will learn from others and try to capitalize off the work/success of the other VR manufacturers. Ask the majority of late comers in the technology-manufacturing field how that works outs for them in the last decade alone.

It's nothing but a huge struggle to make-up ground one an established leader has already been made and it takes YEARS if not a decade+ for a shift to occur (for example Apple with the iPhone).

You're misguided if you think being 3 - 5 years late to a tech party is easily overcome with an established fanbase across multiple other devices. My expectations for PSVR are highly tempered as I fell it's going to be around 10m units sold in those 3 - 5 years, or 20m tops even if they manage to get price as low as $299 at launch.

The problem is that's a 10m install base on PS4 and more than likely PS5 as well, vs. an install base of 0 on Xbox. Who are VR developers going to prioritize content for PS. And that's where MS problem lies playing the wait and see game.

If VR is a success over the next few years when prices drop to a more consumer friendly level on both PS4 / PC, then MS is late to the party and they're entering the VR field dead last, with a VR install base of 0, and significantly smaller install base as far as console market share goes.

The only winning position they're in is if VR fails, then they have the lead and opportunity to push AR as the future since they're ahead in that field. The problem is both Sony and Nintendo have been developer AR tools for a while now too on their handhelds, so while they're behind MS's showings they're not completely aloof to the realm of AR.

Finally you of all people have the nerve to try and label anyone is pure comedy.

@Abizzel

"Ask the majority of late comers in the technology-manufacturing field how that works outs for them in the last decade alone."

Samsung says hi! They literally took what Apple did and did their version of it. They even go sued for it. IF you enter the tech department late, yet do it with a great product people will buy it they don't care.

"...and significantly smaller install base as far as console market share goes."

Xbox 360 says hi! It showed the Sony "faithful" are not as faithful as they appear. Xbox does not have a "significantly smaller install base" to begin with, nor would it if they had to add VR to the NEXT box.

"The problem is both Sony and Nintendo have been developer AR tools for a while now too on their handhelds, so while they're behind MS's showings they're not completely aloof to the realm of AR."

SO MS is in a lose, lose situation? I mean they have AR but if its the winner it doesn't matter as Sony and Nintendo have it too lol. You act as if VR is a success MS is going to be like "VR, what's that??" and then stumble around taping phones to their face. MS is one of the largest companies in the world with some of the smartest hardware people working for them. The X1 and its controller is some of the best built, and quietest hardware around, and don't even get me started on The Surface.

MS is in the PC business as well as have some ties with Oculus, you know that right? They know what VR is and aren't sitting on their hands. They maybe on the sidelines but all they have to do it put their helmet on and they're in the game.

Finally, I didn't say anything negative about you. All I said was you clearly LOVE Sony and its VR. That's all well and good, but your expectation for its success is tempered in no way shape or form.

Samsung got it's success from mergers, exclusive corporate contracts, and eventually made it's way to consumer products and being in EVERY SINGLE Industry from electronics, to appliances, and even toothbrushes.

As far as mobile goes, Samsung entered the mobile industry during the time of the smartphone where the majority of companies took the same route Microsoft is doing with VR, and waited which allowed Apple to dominate the entire market, and allowed Samsung to dominate the Android market. Goodbye to your Samsung analogy, it explains exactly why taking initiative is beneficial, and perfectly compliments high risk vs high rewards.

lol, at the the Xbox 360 comment, since it has nothing to do with this, all I will say is yet the PS3 still went on to outsell it globally in all buy NA.

"SO MS is in a lose, lose situation?"

And this is why you don't debate on forums ladies and gentlemen and expect to have intelligent and educated responses, because people will dip, duck, and dodge they go completely into left field and pull out whatever they can for the sake of trying in vain to prove their point.

Please show me where I SPECIFICALLY said it was a lose-lose situation for MS.

I said, "The only winning position they're in is if VR fails, then they have the lead and opportunity to push AR as the future SINCE THEY'RE AHEAD IN THAT FIELD."

The point being that MS is ahead of Sony and Nintendo as far as advancing AR, however, Sony and Nintendo have been developing and experimenting with AR for multiple generations now, but your face in firmly planted in MS rear that you can see anything outside of the green in there.

Sony had EyePet AR on PSP, PS Vita comes with AR cards and games, and the Sony Z3 AR camera has built in AR.
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Nintendo's DS had AR games, the 3DS has AR games, and the NX is already rumored to have a big focus on AR as well.

The difference is MS is further along in the AR development, and they already have a AR headset built and ready to go to developers.... for $3,000.

And as far as VR goes for MS, the Samsung analogy above still applies.

"MS is one of the largest companies in the world with some of the smartest hardware people working for them."

And technologically/consumer-wise they've been behind in every consumer electronics endeavor they've tried to pitch their hardware in.

"The X1 and its controller is some of the best built, and quietest hardware around,"

The XBO is a good console, I've said it plenty of times, the problem is it's the only successful hardware brand that MS has.

"and don't even get me started on The Surface."

Which would be a good product if you couldn't buy a laptop or netbook that offers better specs and performance in almost every area, and for several hundred less.

MS ties to Oculus extend to the fact that they're putting their controller in the Oculus Rift bundle, and as I said it's possible for them to make a VR headset, the problem is when it comes to console VR Sony is already a generation ahead of them, just like Xbox was a generation ahead of Sony when it came to online gaming. PS is in a much better position in the online space then they were, but it took them YEARS to catch up. MS VR1, is going to have a hard time getting the same recognition and more than likely sales and marketshare as Sony's VR2 due to their prior VR1 headset. That's all I was saying. You made it a bigger issue than it ever needed to be.

And that's where you're wrong. I don't love Sony or any of these other companies. My loyalty as a consumer is to no one, but myself. I've been critical of all VR in the areas where I feel they need improvement especially PSVR and Oculus since I've tried both several times now (and HoloLens for that matter, but only tried it once). Based on my experience, the experience of others who were at these demo sessions, and consumer interest VR1 is not going to blow up, but showing platforms : best selling VR headset ratio is currently in Sony's favor if PSVR is priced right.

Gear VR's will be free with every Galaxy S7 / S7 Edge that's bought within the first month of release so that should be millions of VR headsets in homes. PSVR is launching to a +40m PS4 install base and growing exponentially, just 10% of the install base would be 4m PSVR's sold.

And after seeing future VR content, how things like how MLSports will allow you to watch the entire game from the sidelines, how you can take virtual tours of your planned vacation and even look at hotel rooms, how you can watch movies as if you're right in the middle of the scene (this is going to be a long way off IMO), and VR gaming, it's safe to say VR is going to be forced on consumers, and Sony, Oculus (Facebook), and Samsung are the frontrunners in the VR space, just like Apple & Samsung were with Smartphones.