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Developer “Guarantees” that “Nintendo NX Won’t Have Third-Party Support”

CRAVE: "The Ori and the Blind Forest dev claims they "talked to Nintendo and got absolutely nothing."

Neonridr3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

keeping away from "some third party developers". I think the key here is that Nintendo is going to be focused on the larger studios first and the kits will filter down from there.

Kinda need to make sure all the big guns are on board before the little guys, no?

Let me know when Ubisoft, EA, etc are all saying the same thing.

Apollosupreme3737d ago

Where is your evidence of any of what you just said?

Darkfist3737d ago

just fanboy talk, the fact that he thinks that those big studios just simply gona make games on a console that hardly their games sell unless its a launch game(zombi u)

Neonridr3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@Apollosupreme - well I took the quote from the article itself.

and the second part was in reference to the fact that just because some random independent developer is having trouble getting a dev kit or getting more information doesn't mean that major studios are having issues acquiring dev kits. I will believe more to this story when I see a larger studio make the same comment.

Don't see how anything I said isn't completely sane or relevant.

@Darkfist - If the machine is capable enough (on par power wise to the XB1 or PS4) then a studio can spend a relatively small amount of money to port it over.

If a developer actually takes the time to ensure it works or include all the same content, you would be surprised at how well it can actually sell.

Developers for the Wii U shot themselves in the foot by removing content or neglecting DLC. Of course nobody is going to buy it then.

kaizokuspy3737d ago

Most people who own a wii u or will own an NX will already own a ps4 or xbox one, why would the devs spend money porting then?

dcbronco3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

I think this devs getting a little ahead of himself. He needs to calm down. There were articles a month or two ago saying Nintendo had started shipping dev kits to third parties. You're not one because Nintendo is trying to keep their design a secret.

Here's why he needs to be patient. With the advancements in architecture and power efficiency Nintendo should be able to get a huge leap in power over the current generation.

With the move to 14nm Nintendo will get that power cheap. Microsoft and Sony are locked to three years old specs, if not they could drastically improve their power also. NX should be a 4-6 tflop console just because Nintendo could do that for $300.

NX is also probably based on x86. Which means it will be easy to port to. An APU based on GCN with an AMD CPU means it's the same thing as the other two. So whatever you're working on for them will port over maxed out because there is power to spare. You won't be developing from scratch.

Until you decide to take advantage of the extra power and do something special for Nintendo. But I bet Nintendo has enough in-house and third party right now to carry them through the first 18 months.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

Wow, that was October when they started sending those out.

deathtok3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@kaizokuspy

You don't know what "most people" own.

-Guy who owns a Wii U but not a PS4 or Xbox One

Apollosupreme3737d ago

@Neonridr you're completely speculating. There is no more to support what you say than there is to prove that Jedi Knights are real. Cool idea bro.

sonarus3737d ago

I dont really see this as a problem. In my opinion the best Nintendo games are BY FAR the first party stuff. I havent owned a Nintendo in a while but if i did i would want to buy Mario, mario cart, smash bros, donkey kong, zelda etc. Not call of duty or any of that other ubisoft stuff.

Cindy-rella3737d ago

So Nintendo is being Nintendo by doing what they normally do. Only an idiot would believe things would be different now after theyve been doing the same things for like 20 years. Theyve been practicing bad behaviours for years when it comes to third party devs.

frankiebeans3737d ago

@kaizokuspy you hit it on the head.

thricetold3737d ago

@deathlok

You are in the minority. He said most, which considering how many X1's and ps4's are already out and will be out by the time this arrives is pretty good estimate.

Nintentional3737d ago

Jesus, some of the people on N4G here don't READ. Neonridr NEVER said he was stating fact, he said he "THINKS," meaning it's just his opinion! Why are you asking him for evidence and why do you have 29 agrees on your comment? Lol smh

Mr Pumblechook3737d ago

More likely Nintendo will not want to give their NX Dec kits (and spec secrets) to an indie developer who is especially close to Microsoft, who is one of their competitors!

alti3737d ago

do you not know the meaning behind "I think" ?

DarXyde3737d ago

Considering games generally sold better on Xbox 360 and now PlayStation 4, why is it unheard of to consider Nintendo having great third party support? I think Square is on board, at least it seems as much.

If Nintendo simplifies their architecture, moving away from PowerPC and to x86, there's very little reason to NOT make it happen.

Add to the fact Nintendo is going all digital for NX, and you have a pretty appealing offer to developers and publishers who control the price market.

freshslicepizza3737d ago

typical nintendo, keeping thirst patty in the dark as long as possible. there hasn't been any leaks from anyone about the dev kits which tells me nobody has really started making games on it or if they have it's not been very long except of course nintendo who always wants to have their games outshine everyone else. even if that means not sharing any technical support or offering dev tools early on.

that's ok, nintendo knows they can sell millions just based on their own games.

rainslacker3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@moldy

"there hasn't been any leaks from anyone about the dev kits"

Maybe because it's typically the smaller devs, like the one who made Ori and the Blind forest, who are more leak prone, whereas bigger publishers keep their mouth shut and don't go running to the press at every oppurtunity to promote their own wares, and screw up sensitive information from the 1st party vendors.

It's not atypical at all for smaller publishers and lesser known devs to not get any response or dev kits before information that Nintendo wants announced is announced, but it's silly to assume companies like EA and Ubi don't already have at least some information on the system.

Even if they aren't too keen on Nintendo to release a new system, they will capitalize on the launch hype, just like they did with the WiiU.

Think of it this way. At the reveals of X1/PS4/WiiU, what small pubs/devs were showing off their games at the reveal and shortly afterwards? None. EA, Activision, and Ubisoft were the only 3rd party entrants showing off any games. But after the reveal, the floodgates opened for more dev kits to go out, and games got made(or ported) for the new consoles.

never4get3737d ago

"I want the goddamn devkits or at least proper hardware specs ideally 2 years before release"

2 years for a game like Unravel? How lazy are they? Even Nintendo probably thinks that's too long. Nintendo maybe confidence that their console is so easy, it can cuts down developments time in half. Shorter Dev Time = More competitive.

Arguments3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Now everyone have a Bachelor in Business Administration.
Is funny how they discuss about something they dont even know what it is. Including that "developer" I can not take him serious, using words like (waaay) and (duh) he sound so unprofessional.

abstractel3737d ago

Hmm, not sure why the disagrees are all swaying towards thinking that NX will have no 3rd party support because of this article. Nintendo might be thinking that it's too soon to send out dev kits to smaller devs. If Nintendo has learned anything from Wii U, it must be that they need 3rd party support and create a console that is at least on level with current gen.

Or so one would hope.

abstractel3737d ago

Did people even read the neogaf post this is referring to? He even says:

"And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time. It's not even that the hardware isn't finished (duh), but you could at least give me the goddamn specs, so we'd know what to build shit for!"

Apollosupreme3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Nintentional, we can read. Can you interpret? What he was saying and how he was saying it was as though it is a matter of fact. Fact and opinion aren't the same. It clearly his opinion that Nintendo is fine, it's his unproven theory that they're doing x, y and z.

He doesn't know what they're doing, he has no proof to support what he claims they are doing.

He's building a make believe stance to oppose some random no name devs opinion that's not worth the time of day to begin with.

What I did was call out a fanboy stance. Only a fanboy would make stuff up to defend against something that's not worth defending. Got it now?

Tei7773736d ago

"t's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time"

This speaks volumes. The most likely scenario is that this is an indie perspective (an indie Nintendo have no relationship with). Many major studios had recieved Wii U and PS4 dev kits over a year in advance so his statement doesn't fit.

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Eonjay3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Good point about the large studios first.
If you remember correctly, an article just went up saying that EA is meeting with Nintendo to discuss plans so the statement of no support is obviously taken out of context.

Welcome to the internet.

Edit: to Mahler (Moon Studios): how do you know that the NX is releasing in 2016 anyway? If it releases in 2017, Nintendo has plenty of time to get the devkits out and for 3rd parties to get up and running. Obviously, this means that year one will include lots of ports... but that is still support.

Phunkydiabetic13737d ago

Lets break it down for you.....

N64---Lacked third party support because Nintendo decided to stick with cartridges while the industry moved onto cd's.

Gamecube---Lacked third party support because Nintendo decided to use mini discs.

Wii---Lacked third party support because Nintendo used a vastly underpowered console with a control scheme that needs no further explanation.

WiiU---Lacked third party support because Nintendo once again is using a vastly underpowered console.

This shunning by third party devs has been happening since THE 90s. From what little we know of the NX Nintendo is set to repeat the same bullshit that has driven away third parties in the past.

Darkfist3737d ago

didnt help Batman: Arkham City Armored Edition, they gave batman armor that wasn't in the other ver, so thats something.

Timesplitter143737d ago

Who even plays Ubi/EA games anymore?

garrettbobbyferguson3737d ago

Apparently lots of people as a stupid amount of people purchased Battlefront on consoles and 6.3 million people played the Division beta. Not to mention Assassins Creed which keeps selling every year, among titles like battlefield.

ScorpiusX3737d ago

6.4 million people played a Ubisoft beta so am going with alot of people do .

kaizokuspy3737d ago

I still play bf4 on ps4 as well as monopoly on occasion, and the division 6 million beta players I guess are feeling the love.

Hoffmann3737d ago

Basically the majority of gamers that have not only a wiiU at home.

InTheZoneAC3737d ago

wow troll

madden, because I'm a huge fan of the NFL
far cry
assassin's creed
ghost recon
the division
need for speed...when it was good 4+ years ago
dragon age
mass effect
the crew wild run
burnout
star wars battlefront
battlefield 4
dead space, if they ever make another
splinter cell
rayman

how do you not have just 1 bubble?

GordonKnight3737d ago

Once they drop to $20 is when I purchase Ubi/EA games that interest me.

Germany73737d ago

Are you serious? Just check the number sales for games like Madden, Fifa, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Battlefield, Battlefront, Bioware games.

LOL, this guy.

dcbronco3737d ago

Yeah, people are too busy playing FIFA.

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madjedi3737d ago

Maybe people that actually enjoy some of the various games they release.

Pretentious ass.

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Get_A_Job_Foxtrot3737d ago

Let the excuses from blind Nintendo fanboys begin!

LOL_WUT3737d ago

Once again Nintendo prematurely setting up a system to fail. Haven't they learned anything? ;)

Ark_3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

I just quote the Dev himself:
"And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time."

He is generally complaining about the practice and just takes Nintendo and their NX as an example. I understand both sides ...

mhunterjr3737d ago

Why not just get everyone on board? Worked wonders for the PS4

Ck1x3737d ago

There are games that were shown or announced at the PS4 reveal that still aren't out yet. Nintendo can't sell a system on hype alone like Sony and get away with it. Every game within the PS4's first 2 years Playstation fans were acting as if they were must have titles.

Nintendo needs straight forward hardware with no nonsense of trying to sell people on supercharged PC b.s. aka Sony. Then try to justify why games aren't running at 1080p 60fps or 1080p period.

The reveal of the NX also has to have impressive software to showcase to the public. Many early WiiU titles were scrutinized on whether they actually looked better than PS3&360 games. The NX needs to out of the gate have games that look and play better than PS4 or XbOne titles.

XanderZane3737d ago

Are they? Are the BIG GUNS on board? Where is the proof?

extermin8or3737d ago

The big guns are always on-board for about a year or two for most Nintendo consoles however as time progresses you find they release fewer and fewer games then they drop support. It's been a similar situation for all the Nintendo home consoles in my living memory. Bar the wii which continues ti get shovelware.

Neonridr3737d ago

where is the proof they aren't Xander?

Think about it.

XanderZane3735d ago

@Neonridr
Well they weren't on board with the Wii U. So we would like to see proof that 3rd party support are on board with this new NX console. Haven't seen or heard anything yet. The system is suppose to launch this year. Guess we'll have to wait until the E3 to know for sure.

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3-4-53737d ago

"This is actually THE singlest most annoying thing for every dev out there. We also talked to Nintendo and got absolutely nothing - I'll never understand that. And just to be clear, it's not just Nintendo, every hardware manufacturer is treating their devkits and their unreleased consoles like they're the second coming and are insanely secretive about it to a stupid degree in todays time. It's not even that the hardware isn't finished (duh), but you could at least give me the goddamn specs, so we'd know what to build shit for!

What's needed to sell hardware is goddamn good software. With Nintendo not having any devkits out there at this point and probably even wanting to sell it in 2016, I can already guarantee that they'll just not have any software support, since nobody can just jumble games together in less than a year. I mean, you can, but it'll be garbage.

The same is true for Engine Support - Get Unity and Epic to support these consoles WAAAAY ahead of release. By the time the console launches, it should be EASY for developers to develop games for these systems, things shouldn't just only start at this point.
I want the goddamn devkits or at least proper hardware specs ideally 2 years before release - Keep all the developers updated, start a forum where devs can chat and figure out all the problems everyone's having, instead of everyone just having to deal with it. None of that's happening anywhere and it's just braindamaged. "

* First of all, this sounds like a 15 year old is made and can't have their way.....doesn't sound like a professional.

* Says Dev kits aren't out......Nintendo sent many out in 2015.

* Complains that Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo won't give him information and specs, so THEY must all be in the wrong.

What dummy. Doesn't he realize they aren't giving him specs because people like him love to gossip and will spoil and leak all the information which diminishes the appeal of each new consoles reveal.

What a whiney baby.

He is mad because none of the big three will bow down to him, and give him what he wants.

Sirk7x3737d ago

Exactly the thought I had. Maybe they haven't given him a devkit, because they don't want him making a game on it lol.

Christopher3737d ago

He's asking for specs on machines that aren't finalized. What did he expect? No hardware manufacturer is going to reveal that information until they have it set in stone themselves.

I don't see how this is at all different and I don't see why XBO or PS4 would want to reveal plans going forward when they don't want developers thinking about games 4 years from now and instead tomorrow.

rainslacker3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

That's not entirely true. For companies that make their own engines, target specs will be given, and even specific information for them to make their engines. That's why bigger publishers, and places like Epic or Unity, can get this information in advance. The devs using these engines, probably not so much, because it is rather pointless to target a spec that isn't set.

Plus, smaller devs like to run their mouths a lot, and the more people in on the game, the more likely information is to leak. But at the bigger companies, the devs likely to have access to such things aren't the ones that get a lot of press interviews, and they are smart enough not to risk losing their jobs by leaking sensitive information which could be harmful to the 1st party vendors, and their own company.

It's pretty apparent the difference in candor between a dev who works for a publisher, and an indie dev. Outside the boisterous and outspoken high profile devs, it's the indies which seem to make the most fuss and comment on things they probably aren't supposed to. Looking at Gamingbolt articles is enough to back up this belief.

I remember back before the PS4 and X1 reveals, despite knowing they were coming, and even knowing that the early dev kits were being shipped or in place, the company I worked for had a hard time getting any information directly from any of the console makers. They sent us courtesy replies to say they would inform us when more information was ready to be released...and this company was an official developer for all three of the consoles, and fairly high profile developer, although more mid-tier than AAA...but well respected all around.

Christopher3737d ago

***That's not entirely true. For companies that make their own engines, target specs will be given, and even specific information for them to make their engines.***

Not 4 years in advance, they won't... Do people think next-gen machines are only 2 years out?

rainslacker3737d ago

Four years..no, no one would get anything, because it would be pointless, and engine makers have enough to do. However, 12-18 months is not abnormal. I was talking more about the NX, which is speculated to at least be revealed in full this year. Around conference season we'll probably see a dedicated event, a month or two before E3, which is when dev kits, and updated engines, will likely go out to official devs.

_-EDMIX-_3737d ago

What on earth do you mean little guys? This is exactly what made their systems fail in the first place they cannot keep creating systems in secret only for their teams and then everybody else is forced to have to go through them to figure out what the heck they're creating.

if they want to have a successful platform it must have the community support overall and understanding how it works but the reality is you shouldn't even be having to teach these teams how to use your hardware your hardware should be able to be used by most teams look at how Sony and Microsoft are developing their Platforms to be made with ease.

If this is true I'm calling right now. NX might be there last platform they create before going third party they cannot keep competing directly against third party and expecting to win.

At least coming off the wii they had a somewhat huge install base now with wii u they barely have that. NX very much could be there last Platforms they create

Christopher3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Within reason, though. I mean, he's complaining that Sony and MS aren't telling him the specs of their next consoles now... that's just unreasonable at this time.

As far as NX... Nintendo will have something simple enough. I kind of guarantee they will fall into the same issues on their next platform as they have now.

UltraNova3737d ago

@Chris

"I kind of guarantee they will fall into the same issues on their next platform as they have now."

Yeah they most probably will, since they are so stubborn and behind times.

If they end up selling 15 million units within 3+ years, again, they might reconsider their attitude because that's when they'll realize they are quickly burning through the OG Wii's money cache.

Neonridr3737d ago

Didn't people say the Wii was the last console? Then the Wii U? Now the NX?

Gotta focus on the big fish first. Assuming Nintendo only had so many dev kits to go around who do you think is going to have priority? The developer of Unravel? Or Electronic Arts, or Activision, or Ubisoft?

Think about it EDMIX. I am not saying that indie support is not important, the Wii U actually has quite a bit of indie support. Seems like the only studios that are supporting the console aside from Nintendo themselves are indies. But they gotta focus on having the heavy hitters on the console before the smaller titles.

Do you think more people would care that GTA VI is on the NX or Ori and the Blind Forest?

Persistantthug3737d ago

Nintendo is in a world of trouble.

Phunkydiabetic13736d ago

They have been for a long time now. These clowns here just cant realize it. I guess they are happy playing the same Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart/whatever played out Nintendo franchise over and over and over and over and over.

showtimefolks3737d ago

it's been decades since nintendo home consoles had great or even equal support from 3rd party publishers. nintendo fans buy their consoles to play exclusives

that is a fact

3rd party publishers see no reason to jump in now when they can make more money on ps4,xbox one and pc.

nintendo is so out of touch that i don' expect them or their fans to understand how gaming business works and how to be successful

nintendo is about to launch another failure when it comes to home consoles.

believe me i am not bitter or happy that they are or will fail. but it's so annoying when a multi billion dollar company just doesn't even try

if i was running nintendo i would get 3rd party publishers on board and ask their studios what kind of tech our console should have

Yetter3737d ago

yeah just like the wii U....oh wait

Arguments3737d ago

Now everyone have a Bachelor in Business Administration.
Is funny how they discuss about something they dont even know what it is. Including that "developer" I can not take him serious. Using words like (waaay) and (duh) sounds so unprofessional.

sephiroth4203737d ago

thats shit for NX owners, what if they want to get a game thats multiplatform but not on the NX and then have to get another console or PC to play that game, bad move by Nintendo.

Idiedgoodbye3737d ago

Well the vulture's will be ready to pick Nintendo's carcass once it's near death. The problem is that the cost of it's consumption will be a high cash cost. /s. I don't think anyone can handle buying Nintendo it'd have to be fractured and bought in chunks.

UltraNova3737d ago

No a buy out will never happen.

They can exit the console business altogether and turn to handhelds and mobile only. Considering the mobile craze we are witnessing, they will end up making more money that way for sure.

I would go on to say the could make their games available on xbox and PS but its Nintendo we are talking about here, they'd go bankrupt before they work with 'enemy'.

Picnic3737d ago

You sound such a corporate sucker up that you must be tiny in really life, like the Wizard of Oz pulling his levers.

ruefrak3737d ago

Exactly. This guy is bitter because HE doesn't have a devkit. Nintendo wants to keep the details of the NX a surprise and so it's only fitting that they wouldn't give a devkit to a smaller dev who likes to go and make all his frustrations known on Neogaf.

I know that if I had information that I didn't want to get leaked out, this guy is the last person I would give it to.

RosweeSon3737d ago

Yeah they want the big players not some average game, Ori looks ok but it's no console seller and it's definitely not up to Nintendo's high standards game wise.

joab7773736d ago

This is NO good b/c this has been Nintendo biggest flaw, lack of 3rd party support. Otherwise theu should ditch hardware and just make games.

Terrible start for the NX.

skratchy3736d ago

Pretty sure most people think Ubisoft and EA mostly make dude bro garbage games.

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AizenSosuke3737d ago

Developer "guarantees" let's see!?

RosweeSon3737d ago

Yeah good/great developers will always support great consoles/manufactures I hope everything works out for everyone I'm always happy with my Nintendo consoles well especially the games but would love them to smash it on this NeXt console.

Aloy-Boyfriend3737d ago

They can't afford to make the same mistake

Segata3737d ago

They literally can. They have enough money to have 5 more Wii U like generations.

Kaneki-Ken3737d ago

They survive this generation because of the 3ds and Amibo, they could afford it another WiiU like generation but the majority gamers will be with PlayStation and Xbox since they have both have strong First and Third Party support so I don't want Nx be underated because of lack third party support.

Segata3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

They have billions in cash. Wii U makes profit. They also run a Major League Baseball Team.
They can take losses for 36 years before they need to worry. So They can make another console that sells like Wii U and be fine as long as it made profit. http://wiiudaily.com/2014/0...

The article proves they really have no worries even IF they were taking losses could still go til 2075

Griever3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Man enough of that ancient lie. That article is from from 2014 which means the figures are from 2013 so its really old. Secondly, that is just BS spread by Nintendo fanboys a few years back as a damage control for Wii U's failure. I wish I got a dime for everytime a Nintendo fanboy used that.

They only have $2.81 billion in bank as of 2015. They may have had $10 billion during the heydays of the Wii but they have burnt through it all in less than a decade if they really had that much money. They had 3.4 billion in 2014 but they lost another $600 million cash in just one year. Here is teh latest financial statement,

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/...

Check at the bottom of page 13. It says in second column "cash and cash equivalents --- 281,539 million Yen." Convert it into dollars and its only $2.81 billion. The 2014 cash is next to it at $3.4 billion and one can see that they have lost $600 million cash in one year.

That is all the money they have left and they are not going to last until 2075 with just that much at the rate they are losing cash annually.

_-EDMIX-_3737d ago

Nintendo actually can't afford another failed platform as the numbers are decreasing every generation for them the wii u numbers are lower than wii and 3DS's numbers are lower than the DS so it's very clear their installed base is shrinking every generation by a very very extreme substantial amount.

We cannot afford to keep messing up and losing their install basis as there's no telling if many of those gamers will actually return, you keep making it sound as if well they could keep doing it and then find some spark in 100 mil will be right back that actually doesn't work that way many of those consumers which of might of moved on to other Platforms might remain on those other Platforms meaning that even if Nintendo creates a platform that is their best platform how many will really know that when they're already owning something else?

That's the thing with a lost consumer once they've moved on they actually could care less about whether or not Nintendo has got their act together by then it may too be late. I do believe that Nintendo can not afford another failed platform as what many don't understand it cost these companies billions to develop those platforms in Mass so the failing of one hurts the company more than many actually really comprehend.

I believe if this platform fails it would be their best bet to save their money and go third party and become exclusively a software company as I do not believe there forte is hardware as they seem to continue to have trouble with it and fail.

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RosweeSon3737d ago

3DS. Mario, Zelda, Pokemon!! Oh and the Amiibo's think Nintendo will be fine they do actually make money they wouldn't have survived for over 125 years others sure not all in the video games market but they've been here since day one and made it what it is today or at least helped shape the controllers and give us some of the most amazing gaming experiences around. Look at the attach rate, says it all fantastic games.

meche3343736d ago

Nintendo is worth 18.4 billion or something like that. I think they can

Hoffmann3737d ago

Nintendo..as usual.

I really hope the NX will be their last hardware and they find ways to create great games for the other platforms.

Nintendo needs to shrink and focus on software to grow again in the long run. Less and less people are buying their hardware, less and less games are made for their consoles.

-Foxtrot3737d ago

If that was to happen they could still produce games for the handheld while making bigger, console games on other consoles.

If they have a good idea to sell their own handheld then they could keep it for that platform.

I wouldn't want this to happen but it could work. I just don't want it to happen because Nintendo are being f****** stupid with the choices they have made and are making in these recent years.

Hoffmann3737d ago

Handheld wise they did and do a great job in general, but look at their software catalogues of their past handhelds and the DS and the 3DS. Its not half as bas as with the TV consoles, but the third party support is shrinking there as well.

And you and me we know that not everyone wants to buy a 2-500 dollars expensive hardware just to play Nintendo games. The hardcore Nintendo fans would do that maybe, but is this piece of the cake enough for Nintendo to produce as many great games as in the past?

I mean, you can alsready see a small decline of the quality of their products today already. I can't remember another year where their titles got so many 6 or 7's as in 2015.

LOL_WUT3737d ago

@Hoffman Well said!

I believe better opportunities could be made elsewhere in regards to Nintendo where hardware isn't the focus but rather software ;)

Hoffmann3737d ago

Yeah. Its always amazinh how fast fans of Nintendo are there to say that it wouldnt be good for Nintendo, but sometimes a company is too blown up already and just has to shrink a bit to become more "healthy" in the long run.

I believe that its not good for Nintendo and also not for the fans of their games if Big N continues as they did in the last years

garrettbobbyferguson3737d ago

No, you don't believe better opportunities can be made elsewhere. You just typically troll nintendo articles.

Hoffmann3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

@garrettbobbyferguson
Fanboylogic 1x1. If people don't share my opinions, they are trolls.

PizzaSteve3737d ago

You speak the truth. I think they will go software because I don't think NX is gonna do any better than Wii U. It'd be weird to see a Nintendo exclusive on another console.

_-EDMIX-_3737d ago

1000% percent agree Hoff, at this point I just cannot take their terrible hardware just make games and let it be as a software company I think they're amazing as a hardware company this is where I disagree.

Some of their games lack features due to the company not fully understanding networking and you're having them play catch up to stuff like DLC which other platforms have had for 10 years now and they're playing catch up to all of these bare essential features that it just makes sense for them to run the gauntlet and just be a third-party developer and call it a day and let Sony and Microsoft worry about those other issues that they're already good at.

Philface3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

You realize that they can not change the design of a console that was made more then 4 years ago. Don't be impatient now, as you probably now that hey have a lot of change going on right now.

PhucSeeker3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Why does people want the market share to shrink even more than it already does ? It is not good for the consumers to have less options. It only benefits the corporates which will screw you even harder.

If there's a new console branch then i'm good with Nin step down.

YouTube is not even following its guideline and is currently screwing people over. But they're not fixing their way of doing thing. Would they keep at it if a big competitor shows up and takes their share of the market ?

Philface3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

That guy spreads kind of a rumor and every Nintendo hater jumps to it. How does that guy know that EA/ Ubisoft/ Square Enix/ ... have no devkits. Also he talks about PS and Xbox as well not giving them devkits and they even live from 3rd party support.

Also there is so much change at Nintendo right now and people are so inpatient to see what they have to offer in the future.

I don't get why people do not understand that Nintendo won't put there biggest source of income on other consoles they have more and better opportunities for there IPs then that (Movie, Tv series, Comic, ...)

Philface3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Double post from me sorry.

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fenome3737d ago (Edited 3737d ago )

Hopefully for right now it's just because they don't want any leaks about their new console. I really hope they've learned from their mistakes and don't end up shooting themselves in the foot again. I really want them to come back in strong with this one, I've got a lot of nostalgia in the Nintendo brand. I almost got a Wii U a while back, but now I'm waiting to see what they do with this instead.

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U.S. patent examiner rejects Nintendo’s summoning characters patent as obvious: non-final ruling

The rejection is non-final (and even when such rejections are labeled as “final”, the process is far from over, given that there can be, at minimum, an appeal to the Federal Circuit).

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Relientk7747d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Good, as they should! A game mechanic like that shouldn't be locked behind a patent, and Nintendo didn't invent it either.

PRIMORDUS46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

Nintendo wants to keep wasting money on bullshit lawsuits, real smart in this economy. They should put that money aside for other game projects. On the other hand, I don't care if they waste it all either, and they are screwed in the future maybe that will teach them a lesson.

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Nintendo Completes Share Repurchase and Sets Price for Secondary Offering

Nintendo completed its share repurchase and set its secondary offering price at 8,347 yen ahead of March 16 delivery.

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Nintendo Suing U.S. Government Over Tariffs

Nintendo filed a lawsuit in the United States Court of International Trade.

Nintendo of America is suing the United States government over the sweeping tariffs President Donald Trump put in place last year, according to a complaint filed Friday in the U.S. Court of International Trade and obtained by Aftermath.

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Deathdeliverer72d ago

Well dayum lol. Old agent orange pissing off every industry and nation.

0hMyGandhi71d ago

The fact that you have ANY disagrees will forever baffle me. And to the (apparent) MAGA contingent that exists on this website, enjoy your 8-9 dollar gas.

AuraAbjure71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

Yes, they had better be pissed after Trump told them the way they rip off the USA is over.

EveryPlatformGamer72d ago

LOL I read this on gaff, will they refund the money back to the gamers? highly unlikely. Didn't they just raise prices and pass it onto the gamers? Only Nintendo would send out the Ninjas to the US government.

-Foxtrot72d ago

That’s what I was thinking, imagine them winning hypothetically, getting a s**t load of money back which they would have lost if they hadn’t raised their prices and it’s business as normal.

It would just mean people paid more for no reason since they got the money back anyway.

Outside_ofthe_Box71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

A lot of companies partially passed the cost to consumers instead of all of it. They would still have to at least pay that back to gamers, but we know that won't happen. What's also sad is that prices won't come back down after the initial hike caused by tariffs.

People didn't understand the full repercussions of tariffs. That alone should have cost him the presidency if people knew it was a permanent price hike for consumers

Inverno72d ago

The people should sue these companies for having to over pay cause of these tariffs.

Eonjay72d ago

Naw they should sue the government for forcing the tax to begin with. No one reasonably expects these companies to absorb the taxes. Many smaller companies tried and were shut down or faced to increase prices to try to maintain their business. The tariffs effect everyone.

Inverno70d ago

I meant it mostly as a joke cause we all know the costs of these tariffs were passed onto the consumer. But it's seems no matter how vocal we are here in the states our "representatives" don't seem to care enough to represent us. And things are about to get worse.

Killer2020UK71d ago

The companies were doing what the law required then to do, the tariffs however were illegally implemented. Usually it's criminals we punish, you seem to have different ideas 🤷‍♂️

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