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Nitrous Engine Dev on Cloud Making Consoles Powerful: ‘It’s Never Clear When It Becomes A Benefit’

Oxide Games talks about the possibility of Nitrous using cloud technology.

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stuna13775d ago

Too many mixed signals are being sent about the benefits of cloud technology on consoles. It either does or doesn't. IMO I don't think cloud technology will be or can be a game changer in actually making any console more powerful than the highest power output achievable by the hardware components that are natively inherently present in the console itself.

An example would be trying to use a 115 volt outlet to power a 230 volt appliance, since it isn't conducive to matching power ratings something is going to give! Wether it's the appliance or, the wiring in the wall.

candystop3775d ago

That's a poor concept which is why you like anyone else should wait like the rest of us to see what's possible or not. Tired of coming across comments where everything to do with X1 is impossible yet all we heard last gen was cell this and cell that. Months back we witnessed what was once deemed impossible and even though we've seen it in action (working) on a small scale it's still doubted. We know it works but the question is will and can it work on a much larger scale. I dare you to go back and look at CD3 footage with an open mind. Now watch it and witness this early stage of tech being created by the geniuses at cloudengine. If this works the X1 will dwarf anything possible on opposing consoles moving forward. Right now it's Ai And physics but when they really start to figure this out we will know the truth one way or another .

donthate3775d ago

I think the power differential between the cloud and a console is so big that when applied correctly, the jump in experience is monumental.

We already saw that with Crackdown 3 and it's physics, but consider AI, light rendering, or even vast amount of information i.e data mining. You can have games that are affected by world events. A simple example that doesn't really require massive computation, but illustrates the point is your game could determine where you are, what the weather is like and match the racing games weather to what you have outside.

Now take that, but apply it to type of knowledge that is inferred from data mining or even machine learning!

Are there going to be growing pain? Sure. Are there going to be outages? Sure. But we have the same issues with multiplayer and now a days problems are solved within hours, not days or weeks.

Look at the long term benefit, not the short term pain that will pass. :)

Jmanzare3775d ago

Did you not see crackdown?

DragonbornZ3775d ago

Er, well yeah. It literally won't make the hardware more powerful. That's not how it works. The servers supply the power that the consoles games takes advantage of.

Though, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, the hardware can make computing more effective, which is where the esram in the x1 (and something else) comes in to benefit computing.
Computing does not boost the hardware, but the hardware can boost the effectiveness of computing. Overall the games will benefit if used effectively.

denawayne3775d ago

One benefit could be improved AI. Games like Destiny and the Division could take advantage of cloud computing. Another benefit would be destruction to the environment which has already been shown to work. I'm thinking of Battlefield in this case.

Maxor3775d ago

No. Hell no. In an online game like Destiny and Division you want your AI to be computed locally. The less data you stream online the better which should be reserved for voice chat and hit detection.

Volkama3774d ago

In a multiplayer game, where it is crucial that all connected players see the same behaviour, you think it's a good idea to calculate the AI locally (on one or all) of the connected clients?

Destiny and the division are bad examples because the AI is already processed server-side, so it's like saying "imagine how good that metal fork could be if it were made of metal".

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Tencent to buy Crackdown and Sackboy developer Sumo in $1.3bn deal

Tencent is set to buy Sumo Group in a deal worth $1.27bn (£919m), the companies have announced.

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Darkborn1780d ago

Tencent is really buying up everything. I'm surprised everyone is selling to them like this.

Rebel_Scum1780d ago

They want/need capital I guess.

darthv721780d ago

No way they are worth that much. They are a support studio. I guess tencent decided to throw them an insane price that Sumo would be crazy to turn down.

Its like the godfather. "Im going to make you an offer you cant refuse"

UltraNova1780d ago

Always the case.

Who owns the rights to Crackdown and Sackboy IPs though?

boing11780d ago

I've heard some time ago, that they created a special unit that has a mission to search for acquirable devs all around the globe.

-Foxtrot1780d ago

Going off their business practices they seem like a cancer in this industry

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blacktiger1780d ago

chinese currency, no limit in printing, but they are selling in USD

PrinceAli1780d ago

Maybe because they're a publisher of games with a history of success loool..?

barom1780d ago

Even Microsoft can’t compete with that kind of money.

Zeref1780d ago (Edited 1780d ago )

Uhm yes they can.. What do you mean?

Zeref1780d ago

Money talks, Besides, those developers don't need to worry about income anymore.

enkiduxiv1780d ago

I doubt anyone that matters to the actual production of the games is getting a raise. The only thing that has changed is that now they can't buy any Winnie the Poo products for their kids.

senorfartcushion1780d ago

Well they’re allowed. America and China are leading the world in toxic capitalism.

n1kki61780d ago

As publicly traded companies it's either they sell and potentially get more, or tencent initiates a hostile takeover and buys at least 51% of the shares. These companies might not even be amicable to the buy out but opt to take it because hostile takeovers are terrible.

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frostypants1780d ago (Edited 1780d ago )

Yep. A company that built itself by ripping off IP of small, innovative developers and out-marketing them. Tencent is everything wrong not just with gaming but corporate ethics in general, and the assymetric regulatory playing field we for some reason permit from the Chinese government. Egregiously corrupt companies like Tencent should be banned from the US market.

senorfartcushion1780d ago

The US market would take Tencent to dinner and have it naked on the bed by midnight if it could. America and China are as bad as each other

Lightning771780d ago

They can take Sumo those devs really aren't that great. Sack boys big adventure scored good however but Crackdown 3 wasn't great. They're 50/50 Sony will find a suitable replacement for Sack boy. MS desperately needs a suitable replacement for crackdown, if it's not already too late in terms of fanfare at this point.

Sumo to me isn't that big of a deal there are better devs out there.

senorfartcushion1780d ago

Crackdown 3 was cancelled and remade a few times. Hardly their fault.

darthv721780d ago

This is the same Sumo who made Outrun 2, 2006 Coast to Coast, Sonic Racing Transformed as well as Forza Horizon 2 on the 360. I think they are better than you give them credit for.

Wulfer1780d ago

You might want to walk this statement back. Why else do you think this game goes for over $200 now?

https://www.ebay.com/p/5144...

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ScootaKuH1780d ago

I'm surprised Sumo are valued so high

solideagle1780d ago

yeah, thats what I thought. $1.3 billion is very high, Insomniac sounds like a bargain deal for Sony!

chadwarden1780d ago

And they likely bought Housmarque and Bluepoint for even less than Insomniac.

phoenixwing1780d ago

at the two above me,
it's easy to sell for less when you know you're in good hands business and culture wise. I mean sure you could scratch out some extra money elsewhere but are all the people you know going to be taken care of when you get bought out? Sony takes care of them. Basically you can tell who's a scheming money scumbag by what ceo's/execs choose to be bought by. In the end money talks but there's extras to consider sometimes.

roadkillers1780d ago

I am as well. They do not own any IPs from my understanding...

DOMination-1780d ago

Me too! After looking them up, it seems like they were the parent of other game studios: Lab42, Red Kite, Sumo India, The Chinese Room and PixelAnt Games and also have some cryptocurrency technology.

They may also still hold the IP for back when they were Gremlin Interactive.. back in the Amiga days they were really a dev of some repute.

ScootaKuH1780d ago

Gremlin. Now there's a name that takes me back. Ocean as well.

Teflon021780d ago

They're not, it's likely them just throwing money around to make sure they have no opposition. Sumo is a valuable developer as they've assisted in alot of great games. They did LBP3, Sackboy, Sonic Transformed, I believe Assisted in both ModNation Racers and LBPK, Team Sonic racing, just to name the few off the top of my head that I own.

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IRetrouk1780d ago

I honestly thought ms or Sony would have nabbed them, seeing as they have worked for both on their respective ips, colour me surprised.

Bennibop1780d ago

It's a lot of money for a group with no ips, what would they have worked on to keep so many studios and staff employed. For now at least they continue working on ips for the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

IRetrouk1780d ago

Sony and ms have more than enough ips to keep em busy, the price would have been an issue though, that I agree with, just surprised is all🤷‍♂️

frostypants1780d ago (Edited 1780d ago )

Tencent doesn't exactly pride themselves on original IP anyway. They just steal someone else's. They only need developer drones.

Sephiroushin1780d ago

They have enough to make them busy but there is no point in buying the studio that high, they could just make the developers some offers and thats it... heck every single developer could just quit the studio and with what is tensen left? no point in buying a studio with no IP you dont own the developers

IRetrouk1780d ago

I already agreed that the price was high, still don't take away that they could have been used, and be useful to either ms or sony

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Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Preview/Hands on Impressions (BETA) - CG

Microsoft recently released their Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Beta which allows users the opportunity to stream Xbox games to their Windows 10 PCs or laptops. This follows on from being able to use the cloud gaming on mobile devices which works very well but is limited to the size of your screen. Having the option to play Xbox games with a larger display has its obvious benefits.

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Crackdown 3 8K 60 FPS - Possible at Low-Medium Settings with an RTX 3090

CG writes: Nvidia’s claims that the RTX 3090 can render games in 8K at 60 FPS, ring true for us in this video. We put the game Crackdown 3 through its paces with some interesting results.

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bunt-custardly2057d ago

If you've ever super-sampled anything you would know why it can make things look better.

bouzebbal2057d ago

Let's talk about powahhhh of da clawwdd for a second 🤣did they give up with this thing?

bunt-custardly2057d ago

Oh right, I didn't get the joke sorry, it just clicked. Hmm, is Crackdown 3 really that bad/universally hated especially as it's on gamepass?

SullysCigar2057d ago

My attempt at humour could have been clearer, in hindsight..!

Yeah, sadly Crackdown 3 had been hyped so hard and so long by Microsoft, that when it launched as a mediocre game, it got panned. It was mainly the broken promises about the power of the cloud I think that did it. This was the 'cloud power' poster child for years and it all amounted to nothing, which is a real shame, because if they'd realised their initial vision it could have been special.

bunt-custardly2057d ago

I do remember the original vision where entire buildings could be demolished but wasn't that feature relegated to the multiplayer mode? For me, Crackdown 3 comes across quite generic. I suppose if it had the full destruction in the story mode that would have been bad-ass. If Red Faction Guerrilla can do it why not CD?

FanboySpotter2057d ago

Crackdown 3 was made for crackdown fans. Hated by non crackdown fans. Enjoyed by crackdown fans.

MadLad2057d ago

I played it on PC for a little while via gamepass. It's not nearly as terrible as people would try to make it out to be, but it's the definition of a "meh" game.
There's fun to be had if you're bored.

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andy852057d ago

It's good it's possible but who would pick this over 4K60 on ultra? It would look far better

IanTH2057d ago

100%. This is obviously just showing what can be done with the current highest end hardware, rather than what should be. And if you're splashing out for an RTX 3090 over a 3080 for gaming (small performance delta if not using that huge buffer for productivity), then I guess you'll also consider splashing out for an 8k screen. And, I mean, you'll want to be able to do *something* with it lol.

outsider16242057d ago

Let's be honest here, even with extra high settings at 8k 120fps... it'll still look like crap. Sorry.

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