screw pre-orders

@ neon

I know that but should of been more clear about it.

Not 'will look better'.. has the potential to, depending on your hardware.

"Graphics will be lower" for ~95%+ of PC users also. Since promo shots and trailers will be on the highest possible settings.

But let's keep talking like "PC" is a singular product with universal capability.. /s

There was an article posted recently, in the past couple weeks or so that showed barely any PCs were capable of 4K (something like 1-3%, if that). I think it may have been Steam statistics, I don't remember exactly, but you'll constantly hear talk about how "PC" does this or that, when in reality barely any are fully capable or performing to whatever standard they're trying to claim "PC" does.

Here, I think I found it..
http://www.mweb.co.za/games...

"Only 10% of Steam users have the potential to run games at 1080p ultra-settings at 60 FPS looking at the VRAM statistics."

@EeJLP

The Steam Statistics thing is illogical. The majority of those people don't want to do dedicated gaming in the first place. The majority of them play games like Dota 2, which doesn't require a powerful PC at all and has only basic graphics. Counter Strike is another one. I play Dota 2 on a laptop with integrated graphics. So, for example, when you include me as part of those statistics, it paints the wrong picture. I had a powerful gaming PC a couple of years back, and will get another one when I can.

Ofcourse only 10% of steam userbase can run games at 1080p 60fps. That makes complete sense.

Needless to say, if you actually took the total numbers, the number of people using steam would be monumental. Much, much larger than console user bases combined.
10% out of that is... a really big number of people.

Define 'hardcore'. Advantages over other players? I prefer an even playing field, not everyone on different resolutions, frame rates, graphics, effects, input devices, etc. If you're talking single player, I'm with you, obviously better is better, but multiplayer-wise 4k144 ultra vs 720p60 low (as an example) wouldn't fit my definition of hardcore. It's just an uneven playing field and somewhat pay to win.

You say my 'argument' is irrelevant, yet my statement, was just a reminder that "PC" isn't a product that exists and talking like a high spec PC equals "PC" as a singular object and that anyone with any PC configuration will achieve better results is far from the truth.

I'm also clearly not attempting to inflate console quality, seeing as I didn't mention any consoles or console in general in my statement. I was doing the opposite.. deflating the false, inflated aura of "PC".

Your first paragraph talks about your own personal configuration and that of some friends, which does not address the ~9x% of PC gamers who do not have a setup like yours.

In your third paragraph you're stating assumptions as fact. What percentage will have more frames? Because you're stating it as though 100% will, when that's extremely unlikely to be true.

And again, I don't see how hardware advantages translate to "hardcore" unless your definition of hardcore is just how much money you spend. Skill vs skill, on an even playing field, would be closer to my definition of hardcore.

Lastly, how deep must our pockets be to be as cool as you? Just curious since you chose to get dopey about it and think because people prefer plug and play and an even playing field instead of an uneven playing field, constantly dicking around with hardware upgrades/BIOS or whatever, that somehow translates to being poor.

@Eejlp That's a poor man's attitude. Stop being poor. The PC Master Race has spoken!

Yeah watching a game on a screen is so much more fun then actually being inside it.....wait a sec....nvm that was a brain fart.

@Roadhouse

"Games in 4k on PC is just upscale so it looks fake compare to real 4k"

Prove it.

4K is a revelation, tried it at a friend's...

Now I'm jealous because I can't afford it :(

@roadhouse

Lol someone has no idea what his talking about.. his name is Roadhouse