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The Game That Could Change Xbox One Forever

Complete and utter destruction was the target set by Cloudgine and Reagent Games as they set about re-energising the Crackdown licence with Microsoft, but what this has spawned has the potential to change Xbox One games forever. That may seem like a bold statement, but actually what it’s really delivering is the full promise of the console Microsoft intended to launch in 2013, when the world of gaming turned against it over DRM and always-online functionality. This is the game that could take the Xbox One back to being a digital gaming powerhouse. A games console for the online age, using the full resources of the web to future-proof itself.

And it all started so very simply, building on the sandbox freedom and interactivity the series has already established. “We said if we want to do a true Crackdown 3 multiplayer, we really wanted to move that physicality into the online space,” says Dave Jones, original creator of Crackdown, GTA, APB and now president and co-founder of Cloudgine.

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sammarshall1023809d ago

Xbox One has some innovative titles next year

Quantum Break -Choices you make in the game will affect the outcome of the show inside the game

Crackdown 3 -Possibly the greatest destruction in multiplayer ever using the cloud

Scalebound -4 player co-op with gigantic screen filling monsters lol

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Gazondaily3808d ago

Crackdown's demo of cloud tech caused quite a stir with many haters scrambling for some defences or arguments against it. Whilst we do need to see it in action, if the tech works then there's massive potential in gaming, beyond just people being fed glorious crow.

Imagine things like offloading hundreds of characters into a mmo etc. As long as the tech is accessible, devs could make great use of it.

Letthewookiewin3808d ago

Septic this tech is pretty awesome but it's only computational, i.e. calculating how things fall and react. It does not crunch polygons or shaders. So no it won't offload characters. Character and environmental modeling still has to be done system side, hence the lacking graphical fidelity of Crackdown. The system itself still needs to be powerful which we know the X1 is not. And yes I just walked out in front of a fireing squad with this comment but it's true.

d_g3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

totally agree with you this game could change the gaming or xbox specifically

we’ll see how it will turns out when it release...looks very promising so far.

sammarshall1023808d ago

Yeah if it works it will offer some fresh ideas in gaming. Being able to collapse a bridge in Crackdown 3 with my opponents standing on it sounds really good

sammarshall1023808d ago

@Letthewookiewin Crackdown 3 has the same stylized look as the previous games, there was nothing bad shown about the graphics. In fact, the demo showed very nice reflections and great explosions

namEuser3808d ago

"Letthewookiewin" I completely agree...these consoles are not the greatest things since sliced bread. At least not the jump in graphic fidelity we've seen going into last generation. To be honest, my WiiU games look crisp, run smoothly, and pretty much outperform my X1 games...not all, but the majority of them. 2 to 3 years in n and some these ps4 and X1 games still kinda look last gen...that's just my opinion, disagree if all ya'll want but its kinda just stating facts...

Volkama3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

MMOs are a pretty poor example, as MMO AI has been server-side since forever. Problem is it has also been cheap and simplistic 100% by the numbers, ever since World of Warcraft made it so.

AI being offloaded in a single player game would be more of an innovation.

donthate3808d ago

Letthewookiewin:

There isn't much rendering stuff yet, but keep in mind, rendering is computational. Everything on the computer is computational.

That said, there are some rendering stuff in the cloud going on. Nvidia CloudLight was an
example of this shown off a few years ago:

Video here: http://graphics.cs.williams...

Paper here:
https://research.nvidia.com...

XanderZane3808d ago

It's impressive and I can wait to see the game in action at next years E3. I'm waiting patiently for some developer to make a game using both the Cloud Tech and DX12 together. Maybe M$ will show us that game next year. Crackdown is looking great though. Another must have game for 2016.

hamzilla3808d ago

This cloud tech is mindblowing when seen in action but will require a GOOD internet connection to comply. Lizard Scumm attacks will fuck that stuff up TOTALLY. your playing then all of a sudden these parts come flying into your face and eveything is fucked up cuz the clouds getting hacked or DDoSed.... you watch... it will happen.

Why o why3808d ago

Lets just wait and see. Personally I hope it works out but I doubt it'll be as a amazing as some project and hope for especially off the bat. Over time this could become a standard and all standards started off somewhere. Nothing ever starts perfect. Good luck but calling people who doubt, haters is just as silly as calling people who believe in it delusional. Time will tell

GameNameFame3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

@sammarshall102

Lol. you are grasping at straws if you think QB and Scalebound are innovative because of those reasons.

and come on at "stylish graphic and not downgraded"...haha. Lets be honest. That is totally downgraded.

@Septic
I think argument was it cant be used to improve graphics. Looking at crackdown, it hasnt. It actually has diminished graphics.

And lets please not get into secret sauce(DX12). No point in beating dead horse.

alabtrosMyster3807d ago

The thing is people overestimate its potential, so on the one hand you have people acting as if this was nothing and others looking for some Xbox feature that would allow it to crush the competition...

Truth is, it does nothing for single player games and "cloud computing" is not reserved to the xbox, plus the game looked really bad if it was not of the destruction (OK its early in development)... They also explained that the map size had to be limited because the bandwidth requirements greew with it, so on and so forth... Considering all this is reasonable, especially after reading about the tech in details, it becomes clear that like many other demos before it many smoke and mirrors tricks were used to bring the hopes of many higher than they should be...

showtimefolks3807d ago

Septic

What's new when it comes to Xbox one you will fall others who don't agree haters but when it's something positive avout ps4 your comment always has a but than something praising Xbox one

Yeah we need to see it in action thee I said it. How many times have we seen developers and publishers show a game only to later release something else

So anyone who takes the wait and see approach is a hater

If halo 5 couldn't help Xbox one Tha no one game will ever do and that is a fact jack

DLConspiracy3807d ago

One things for sure. All the hate and love has made this a top story on N4G. Helping it sell more copies of the game when it releases. You all have done the work they set out for you. Congrats.

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ABeastNamedTariq3808d ago

Defiance kinda already did what QB is trying to do and 4 player co-op isn't "innovative". Don't know about Crackdown because I haven't seen the demo so it very well may be.

sammarshall1023808d ago

I don't think any game has bigger monsters than these in 4 player co-op all on screen at the same time so that's a great feat. IMO

OpieWinston3808d ago

I played the Defiance game and watched the show religiously right up to the end. But they QB and Defiance are totally different.

The devs determine what happens in the show and game.

While Defiance was handled by Syfy/Universal and Trion.

PhucSeeker3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

The other 2 look great, just not as "innovative" as Crackdown 3. We didn't get much information on the game-TV thing. I'm afraid that the TV deal is just gonna be a long (extra)cut-scene.And Scalebound is just Monster hunter with giant pets.

sk8ofmnd3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

Dont you guys think that if psvr is a huge success ms is just going to sit there fumbling there fingers... Just like if this huge cloud thing takes off for ms sony wont take notice. So far its just been a bunch of words and tech demos 2 years later. You guys act as tho sony couldnt do this if they needed. Investers believe in who ever sees more returns and is more profitable. Thats the bottom line. I hope for xb1's sake they can do something to at least stop the momentum sony has. No xb1 fan can deny that, and if they are they are kidding themselves...

donthate3808d ago

I think Sony would have difficulties with this technology. Case in point, how long did it take PSN to reach approximate parity with XBL?

Even to this day, Sony used to take down PSN just to mantain it while MS just hot updates it while the network is running.

MS has a huge R&D department, because Bill Gates early on recognized the importance of it, so MS invest humongous amounts into it. That is how MS got Kinect out, and now HoloLens.

In terms of VR, if MS needed to get to market fast, I believe they would just rely on third party like Oculus.

That said, I think VR will take years to reach maturity with a high investment from consumers. Whereas this cloud technology requires no cost to consumers and doesn't run the risk of VR sickness. Instead the risk is in what happens when the network fails.

jb2273808d ago

Shhh, don't mention PSVR in here, because as any MS fan will tell you in this thread, not only is PSVR bad because "it will fail", it's also not innovative at all...not like tv components or cloud tech or co-op those things are absolutely revolutionary.

I just find it funny how so many fans are upset about anyone questioning the potential state of large scale destruction w/ the cloud in a practical environment, but it's somehow totally acceptable for people to say PSVR is already a failure because "people don't want to strap anything to their face"

MS' potential for use w/ the cloud IS innovative, and it could be revolutionary, but by the same token, so is PSVR. If people have legitimate claims then have at it, but all I'm seeing is the same MS fans downplaying VR at every opportunity, then crying bias when anyone questions any MS tech w/ their own legitimate "concerns"

End of the day no one here can see the future, but to deny that either company is taking strides in innovation is just insane to me. Just like Sony fans should see the potential merit in cloud tech on Ms' side, it'd be nice to see some MS fans acknowledge the potential of things like VR.

GameNameFame3808d ago

@donthate

Sorry to break it to you.

Crackdown runs on Cloudgine(a third party platform neutral software)

Lol. So no. Sony and PC can easily do it too.

moparful993807d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

@donthate

Well for starters XBL has existed since the original Xbox launched so Microsoft has had over a decade to get it to its current state. PSN didn't exist until the PS3 launched which was a year after the 360. So for Sony to launch their ambitious new platform alongside the expensive PS3 and reach parity in the time frame of one generation is utterly impressive.

At the end of the previous generation both online platforms were nearly identical with the exception of Party chat. Now they both mirror each other including Microsoft's Games With Gold that is their attempt to cash in on the success of PS+ which proved to be a big win for Sony.

It's awfully pretentious of you to sit here and not only doubt whether Sony could pull off cloud (They own, maintain, and enhance GAIKAI a 3rd party cloud company) but to use rhetoric based your infered superiority of XBL is dissrespectful.

Sony has proven their clout in video games arena for more than 20 years now and have been incredibly successful. Microsoft still has alot to prove not Sony.

DLConspiracy3807d ago

@mopar

"Well for starters XBL has existed since the original Xbox launched so Microsoft"

The first Xbox Live started on Nov 2002 a year after the original Xbox launched. It didn't take off until the 360 though. Maybe at the VERY end of the OGXB lifecycle. At that time people were getting their demos from Magazines including a disc. To be able to play demos of the games cost about $12 a magazine. So it was worth the $30 bucks for XBL which included the same demos.

However the money they received for their service has been dumped hand over fist into their servers and server farms for a long time. Like a lot.

There is no question as to whether sony could pull off cloud like they are trying to use it. In fact if this goes well then most all games will be using it on EVERY platform. Maybe not all games to start, but gradually it will become VERY popular. That's to say if it works well off the bat.

MS has WAY more than them. They own and run their own servers for rent aside from Xbox. They have been for a long time. Plus all the money they were making from Live Subscriptions. They have a lot of money sunk into servers. Not putting down Sony, but it's a little different.

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DigitalRaptor3808d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

This is how the Xbox strong defines innovative:

*Find exclusive on their console*
*Pretend exclusive of equal measure does not exist on other consoles*
*Makes up awful reasoning as to why it's innovative*

Not downplaying Crackdown here, but those other games innovative? Laughable.
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@ OpieWinston

Keep trying to talk down to me, if you think that helps you win an argument. Yet, here you are all defensive, throwing your toys out of the pram because I'm calling out one of your friends for calling games that AREN'T innovative, innovative. That is my issue. Xbox fans, they make up falsities about innovation. If something is damn innovative, I will say it is, but Quantum Break or Scalebound are not. Just because this dude is probably young enough to never have seen these gameplay concepts before, doesn't make him right. But you had to make this about ME didn't you? My "rants" about one console having more than the other is based in fact, that people like yourself become insecure enough to be unable to handle. I write them to counter the persistent BS. In fact, I don't see you getting annoyed at your Xbox mates who do the same thing, obviously to try and counter-act my presence on this site.

Nowhere did I say or even ALLUDE to Quantum Break or Scalebound being "stupid toys". I was calling out that they aren't innovative. In fact, I think both games look great and have potential to be some of the best Xbox One games next year. But oh well.... keep taking it personally.

ShinMaster3808d ago

*Pretend exclusive (or third-party games) of equal measure do not exist on other consoles*

OpieWinston3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

The irony in the statements you make is so real. I just love how you don't see it.

You do the EXACT same thing all the time. Seriously you type out these long rants about how one console has more than the other.

Your reasoning is always borderline public school. Like a child who wants to justify his toy and point out how stupid someone elses toy is because he doesn't have it.

rebendigita13808d ago

Lmao look at how many dislikes that comment got. He is simply naming some cool games for the xbox one and ps4 fan boys rush in like a plague and downvote it because it's a positive xbox one comment. It's ridiculous

DigitalRaptor3808d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

No..... He's saying "innovative", which might apply to Crackdown 3 if they hit it out of the park, but neither Quantum Break nor Scalebound are pushing innovation. Why is he saying this then? He's making up false or even arbitrary measures just because those games are exclusive, whilst neglecting to list innovation on other platforms. He's disingenuous. Honestly, that is what people either have issue with, or find funny - and it's not that ridiculous.
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@ sammarshall102

At this very moment, the "TV show" of Quantum Break are live action CUTSCENES. I've played games in the past, heck this generation, that your actions as a player will affect the outcome of the story/cutscenes.... which is basically the same damn thing. Your TV show cutscenes branch off based on your actions in gameplay. inFamous has the same thing. "Innovation", c'mon son.

NOTICE.... because I know it's hard for you folks to concentrate once you feel threatened by fact.... but I never once downplayed Crackdown 3 here. But your insecurity led your mind to believe that I did. Also notice how you couldn't begin to try and think of reasons why Scalebound is "innovative", cause it's not. It's simply a fun looking game coming out next year.

You go to great lengths to LIE, TWIST and be disingenuous about games for your cause, like you have here and in other articles over the past few days. Whether I go to great lengths to call out the BS you guys continually perpetuate, is something entirely different.
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@ DeToX420

Nowhere did I say that he could not be excited about those games. What is pathetic is seeing people lying about what are pieces of plastic.

sammarshall1023808d ago

@DigitalRaptor are you trying to say that at this very moment I can find a game where my actions as a hero will affect what the villains do in a tv show

Is there a game coming out like Crackdown 3 that has different buildings on different servers

The length you go to try to downplay anything Xbox-related is funny

DeToX4203807d ago

@digital dude you try way to hard just go play your ps4 and let others be excited for games. Kinda pathetic really.

ShinMaster3808d ago

Are you really new to gaming?

Not saying they're bad games. They could be great. But is this comment serious?

bladesofagony3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

You forgot to mention Gears Of War 4 - Guns and galore awaits :)

UncleJerry3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

@dcbronco...bubble up brah.

I don't see how this is "flamebait". The article isn't really telling us anything new...but then again either are the countless resolution articles and sales hard-on articles we get crammed into our heads daily. This is just an article about something gamers may or may not choose to take interest in. At the end of the day, while none of what Crackdown aims to do has been proven yet.....if it does work the way it aims to, then yea it can be a potential game-changer. Not to mention, the article literally says "could change" and not "will change". Jeez people calm down.

Fanboy or not, ask yourself this question....if Sony was talking about the cloud right now and was developing Crackdown....very different story around here on the forums...we all know it. I don't consider myself a fanboy to any console, but I do consider myself level-headed and at least somewhat unbiased.

DragonbornZ3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

There's nothing wrong with the title lol. Jesus, the problem are these users who assume and some who are apparently very very sensitive.

This title should literally not offend anyone and if it offends you then I feel sorry for ya.
It's no different than saying PS VR will change the PS4, or the Wii U pad will change the Wii console.
The dude is just expressing his excitement for new tech, (or tech being applied in new ways, w/e) and I am incredibly surprised that people are taking offense to it.

And those that are assuming it's some secret sauce, why? Wtf? All you have to do is read the preview under the title to know what he's talking about.

It's not about saucy dx12 or some second gpu, it's about new tech he's excited for that could legitimately change the console, or more specifically it's games if they decide to incorporate the tech into more of their games.

I was actually looking forward to looking at the discussion ( as I'm excited for the game too)

but my mind is legit blown at all this garbage in the comment section.

Jesus Christ N4G peeps.

Ch1d0r13808d ago

Red Faction did a good job with destruction without the cloud. Hopefully "the cloud" can do much better.

DLConspiracy3807d ago

Not the same game. Not the same level of detail and destruction. What would the point of coming up with all this tech be if it could already be done?

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WeAreLegion3808d ago

Can't wait to play this one. I just hope there's a way for me to do this stuff alone and/or with bots. Like a private match by myself, since it has to be online. I'd much rather do that.

I want to see more of the single-player.

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SpeakTruthAlways3808d ago

Better to wait and see before hyping yet another game.
Change this forever, change that forever yada yada. Smh.

VforVideogames3808d ago

you're right remember what happened to The Order 1886?

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MRMagoo1233808d ago

The order outsold pretty much every xbone exclusive, how's that make you feel when a game you think sucks beats anything on xbone?

VforVideogames3808d ago

I made the mistake of buying that game too just like the other mill+

DeToX4203807d ago

Once again stupid people equating sales to quality. I'm sure you all had a fantastic time with the order. GOTY right lol.

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sovkhan3808d ago

Except that this cloud thing is not xbone specific. It can be used on every system, so what is the point?

RiseofScorpio3808d ago

Anyone can go and buy a Rolls Royce, doesn't mean they have the finances to do so.

sammarshall1023808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

Lol now this is a good response

mark_parch3808d ago

exactlly. sony even though they have access will definatly not use this. i imagine they would have to pay microsoft quite a bit

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donthate3808d ago

I appreciate MS footing the bill for servers on Titanfall, otherwise we would have never gotten that gem!

:D

Sony didn't even respond to the developers of CoD! Insane!!!

sinspirit3808d ago

Sony can afford many Rolls Royce's. It's just a waste of money when consumer hardware is fine as is and server hardware gets outdated quickly.

Crackdown has a cool physics system but it's just a wow factor. The gameplay and graphics themselves are basic. The franchise also isn't very big.

TheUndertaker853808d ago

Then why would they be looking to buy a Rolls Royce which the Xbox One is not?

TheUndertaker853808d ago

@mark_parch: Yes, because they couldn't leverage the Gaikai technology to do what Azure claims to do and so far has been unproven

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ScorpiusX3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

Would be nice if MS bought and used it on all in house studio games , would be sweet to destroy things in Halo or even gears . @Emz99 just the part of going thru walls after someone sounds awesome..

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ScorpiusX3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

@Waluigi
'MS already owns Azure'. Yes they own the Servers , but don't own Cloudgine tech .

Not yet owned by MS , but if this pays off they will be .

ic3fir33808d ago

because MS have more cloud suporte that sony and nintendo and other companys

ritchi453808d ago

Isn't Azure second behind Amazon's own cloud tech?

donthate3808d ago

ricthi45:

AWS is still the gold standard, but Azure is catching up and exceeding in some areas and vice versa (admittedly some of that is brand name with AWS than actuality).

The kicker here though is that both Azure/AWS is so far ahead of the rest of the pack that there is no expectation nobody will catch up in the same ballpark, let alone exceed.

nunley333808d ago

Most of Azure's use is for non-gaming enterprise duty, just like MS's R & D budget also.

moparful993807d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

Azure is mostly for business related enterprises for storage, offsite data handling, and to facilitate shared data amongst the many branches and divisions of most modern companies.

Microsoft has been trying to leverage Azure for gaming with no real tangible gains so far.

Im on the side of the fence that is skeptical of the claims Microsoft has made that it will have on the gaming landscape. Most of what they promised they have under delivered on for years now.

I don't doubt that Cloud computing can one day have as massive of an impact as they claim it can, but the infrastructure in this country is far to antiquated and there's too much latency stil present for Cloud computing to be viable today.

Either way I guess we'll all find out when Microsoft finally releases Quantum Break and Crackdown 3.

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BallsEye3808d ago

list of all current or future games that use cloud on other consles:

yea.

kraenk123808d ago

Please list another game except Crackdown 3.

VforVideogames3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

Kraenk12: Titanfall uses the cloud so when you get out of the titan to put mines around the titan acts like youre still in it, Forza 6 uses the cloud for 'drivatars' of course you don't know this because you don't own an xboxone

sinspirit3808d ago

@VforVideogames

Titanfall is a poor example. It's online features are no more advanced than a decade old online game.

Drivatars are processed on your console, then uploaded online with a rating to determine who's game to download to. The AI is not run by the cloud while you are racing.

moparful993807d ago

PS Now's entire catalog of games is run and streamed from the cloud so in that category Sony has more.

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Gazondaily3808d ago

Oh everyone can do it now can they? Before we had people mocking everyone that this kinda stuff wasnt even possible but now....the hilarious u turns around cloud hehe.

SouthernComfort3808d ago

Stop with the lies.

Before, people questioned the claims of "4 times the power" and improved graphics, neither of which will be quelled by this game.

BiggerBoss3808d ago

Septic, I don't know why you've been so bitter recently, but at least let Crackdown release before you start slinging mud at Sony fans. The game hasn't released yet, and so far there's no legitimate proof to any claims of Cloud Power. If CD3 works just like the demo, that'll be awesome. If not, it'll be disappointing. I care more about whether the game is actually good than the amount of destruction in it personally...

donthate3808d ago

BiggerBoss:

He is not slinging mud, but I guess it can be perceived as such if you were one of those people. Ironically those people are the one slinging mud.

Regardles of how Crackdown 3 works, this technology is viable. It isn't make it or break it based on one game. No more than VR or any other console is is dependent on one game.

SouthernComfort:

It is actually more than 4-times the power! :D

It just isn't in all areas, but in some areas it excels.

agame9143808d ago

yes im sure sony or nintendo's consoles can achieve this as long as the funding is there to back it up. Its not a secret sauce

moparful993807d ago

@Septic @donthate
Need I remind you that Sony purchased Gaikai, a 3rd party cloud storage company? They are already running and streaming full games from the cloud with PSNow.

You honestly think they can't make the jump from that to cloud computing if they wanted to? You're dillusional if you think that.

Maybe Sony hasn't crossed that threshold because they realize that the tech isn't viable yet and the amount of money needed to see gains can't be justified.

We all know that Microsoft gets an idea in their head an they throw small fortunes larger than the GDP of small countries at it but Sony just doesn't operate this way.

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Rookie_Monster3808d ago

Dude...other platform makers don't even have support for dedicated servers for their games on MP play or give their players unlimited cloud saves like MS. SO by saying "anyone can use cloud compute" is totally off.

ritchi453808d ago

Can't find the link, but I think I read somewhere that Phil Spencer said the cloud compute tech is open to other platforms for use.
Sony make money for the blu-ray tech inside the XO, and MS could make money for licensing out their tech.
Win-win for both companies, and for gamers.

ziggurcat3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

First of all, Rookie:

http://n4g.com/news/1839619...

So, yes... Anyone can use cloud compute. Google also has servers that people can use: https://cloud.google.com/co...

And finally:

http://blog.us.playstation....

You need to stop spreading FUD about dedicated servers. MS aren't the only ones that use them. By the way, I thought you said you kept all of your ducks in a row before posting? Looks like you let a few of them stray away here.

DigitalRaptor3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

@ Zigg

BOOM!

Microsoft is so special to these guys, they think Azure is the only cloud compute service in the world, and that all of its servers are at the beck and call of the Xbox division. Despite the fact that Amazon's AWS exists, Google's Compute Engine exists, and so do services like RackSpace - a company that Sony and PlayStation has been working closely with for many, many years on OpenStack private cloud solutions, and a couple of years ago became an "enterprise level customer" of.

Now that Phil has said Azure is available to the competition even for exclusives, that's kinda a double oversight on his part.

Sony need only gather people to create an engine that leverages the cloud compute technology as Cloudgine are currently doing for Microsoft Azure with Crackdown 3... if they even want to. Cloudgine are currently the only company that is building engine technology to make this work in console games, and their company are absolute specialists in cloud compute. Not sure what else is in the pipeline with that in mind.
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@ Waluigi

Oh, I'm sorry, did me posting facts upset a nerve? There's nothing wrong with me being here talking about what services are currently available to Sony, that you funny characters believe is exclusive to Microsoft. Your whole comment, is speculation for obvious reason. Whether or not Sony will or will not is not the point of contention. You also don't know the extent to which Sony is working with Rackspace, so how about you look that up before thinking you got this one figured out? They are willing to pay money to deploy cloud solutions, as they already have for years -- it doesn't have to be with Microsoft.

ziggurcat3808d ago

@waluigi:

Except that's not what the comment was about... It was responding to the implication that MS was the sole company that had access to cloud compute, and the implication that MS was the only company that used dedicated servers... Both of which are unequivocally false.

What makes you think Sony won't spend money on this tech in order to compete with MS?

donthate3808d ago

Cloud in the form of servers and services to scale is available to anyone, and is available not only Azure, but also on AWS, Rackspace and a gazillion other providers.

What MS isn't giving you access to yet, is the services related to make Crackdown 3 work. It may however, be something they will open up to Sony later though, with MS purchase of physics engine Havok. I'm pretty sure MS plan to unleash this into the cloud.

Rookie_Monster3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

Didn't read Ziggurcat's comments cause I got him on ignore but judging from DigitalRaptor's comment for his buddy Ziggur, it is more nonsense apparently. You guys need to learn how to read and understand what people are saying before making yourselves look foolish. LoL

I never said Sony, Nintendo, or anyone else can't use Azure for cloud and dedicated servers. Ms would love to rent those spaces out if there are money to be made.. but I am just stating that these guys can't even afford to provide unlimited cloud servers for their gamers and hardly have any game on dedicated servers even for their respective popular titles like Super Smash Bros to Uncharted 4...anyone with any common sense will know going directly to Cloud live compute that cost even more R&D and money is unlikely and won't happen anytime soon, if ever for these other companies.

The fact is MS already owned those servers (which is one of the biggest in the world) so it is not an issue for them to use what they have but the other companies don't have that luxury. Case closed.

LoL, and I find it funny that Digital is leaching on another's person comment to try to attack others on the forum instead of coming up with anything original himself...again. it is like a broken record now. Smh

ziggurcat3808d ago

@Rookie:

Uh.. You precisely said that MS were the only ones to have access to cloud compute and dedicated servers.

"The fact is MS already owned those servers (which is one of the biggest in the world) so it is not an issue for them to use what they have but the other companies don't have that luxury. Case closed."

The fact that Phil Spencer literally said anyone can use their servers for cloud compute means that other companies have that luxury....

RiseofScorpio3808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

All he said was that the competition currently doesn't have any servers of Crackdown 3 calibur whilst MS has a multi billion infrastructure. Geez you are reaching today.

For the love of God what we mean is that there's no chance in hell they can afford it. It costs billions to set this kind of stuff up BILLIONS, and you think it's cheap to rent them? Obviously not since they are too frugal to even provide dedicated servers for their biggest game.

Rookie_Monster3808d ago

@Waluigi_isunderrated,

Exactly to the point of what I am saying. Those other people that are trying to spin our words are just reaching and playing dumb at this point if they can't even comprehend what we are saying logically.

ziggurcat3808d ago

@waluigi:

No, that is not what he is saying at all. The original claim that no other companies can support dedicated servers, which is false because Sony DOES support dedicated servers. The other original claim was that stating that anyone can use cloud compute is "way off" despite the fact that MS HAS LITERALLY SAID *ANYONE* CAN USE THEIR SERVERS. Rookie got caught in an inflammatory lie, and both of you are just back peddling, now, by turning it into an affordability argument despite the fact that neither of you have any clue about the cost or other companies' ability to pay for the use of those servers.

agame9143808d ago (Edited 3808d ago )

yes big companies can do this. But honestly sony does not need to it already eats the xbox one alive. Plain and simple microsoft should have made a more powerful system instead of focusing on TV and DRM...

candystop3807d ago

Agame-

No you're wrong and apparently clueless! MS did an excellent job making the X1 as is. Adding the computational power through cloud tech via X1 allows much more power than simply making stronger hardware. If cloud succeeds on X1 it will add power simply not available anytime soon or better yet ever on PS4.

moparful993807d ago

Sony had dedicated servers for their exclusives all of last generation on the PS3. Yet I remember the 360 fans declaring that they werent necessary, suddenly Microsoft is championing them and its a big deal to the X1 crowd.

Dedicated servers are incredibly expensive especially when you need to scale and maintain them. Third party server solutions have become cheaper and the technology has improved to the point that I bet none of us can tell the difference between 3rd party and dedicated.

So I again chalk this one up as another bullet point in a petty fanboy argument.

DigitalRaptor3807d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

Rookie, dodging as usual. Here you are high-fiving Waluigi with damage control about "oh no.... we weren't saying that, these guys are just putting words into our mouths"..... RIGHT.....

It's already been done, but let's analyse your original comment though.
"SO by saying "anyone can use cloud compute" is totally off."

Anyone CAN use cloud compute. What you actually MEANT is something different and known only to you when you originally typed your comment. What you SAID is wrong and you were called for it. If you want to explain what you meant without attacking me for calling out your own words, then that is your own weakness.

But you try to insult me by saying I was "leeching" off another person's comment. Firstly, as if that negates what either me or Zigg have said. Isn't that what you and your Xbox cronies do all the time when trying to "expose" others for the XB1 cause? Yep, it is.

Regardless, I brought new information to the conversation (that you completely skipped over - well done). That takes original thought. Try again.

magiciandude3807d ago (Edited 3807d ago )

"Dude...other platform makers don't even have support for dedicated servers for their games on MP play or give their players unlimited cloud saves like MS."

You people (Digital and ziggurcat) don’t have the slightest clue. Rookie monster is referring to games like Uncharted 4 having no dedicated servers, and it's the biggest PS4 release yet. Halo 5, Forza, and Gears of War Ultimate Edition this year have dedicated servers. Future X1 exclusive games will have dedicated servers and cloud gaming also. Killzone Shadow Fall’s multiplayer is actually a hybrid setup, and that can be seen in this quote directly from ziggurcat’s link:

"Killzone Shadow Fall has dedicated servers hosted in various regions around the world. These servers do not run the logic of the game – they only act as a hub between the clients, forwarding network traffic from one player in game to all other players in game. This allows people with a slower connection or strict firewall settings to play without issues. Almost all logic relating to you (e.g. moving, shooting and taking damage) runs on your local PS4, with only a very small portion of the game logic (i.e. mission/scoring logic) running on the 'session master', one PS4 in the game selected for its connection quality."

Yeah, that doesn't sound much like the dedicated servers Microsoft uses for Halo 5. Sony for some reason decided not to have dedicated servers for Uncharted 4, and that's likely to do with them blowing tons of their PS4 profits on PS VR, so they are not going to care that much about dedicated servers or cloud gaming like Microsoft.

There is a difference between something being available, and actually having something. In this case, Sony doesn’t have that luxury and they probably never will this generation. Even if they dabble into some form of cloud technology, Microsoft will have the advantage in the cloud gaming space, just like they’ve been enjoying the upper hand in the online multiplayer space for all three generations into the console market. Let’s just accept the facts here. :)

You're just upset that rookie clowned you the other day and desperately seeking some revenge LOL.

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Khaotic3808d ago

The point is like always sony wont use it till it proves successful on xbox first. Kida like trophies, better online for a price, im sure there are other things they take the sit back and wait approach. Oh and not everyone owns HAVOK either. See anyone can troll

sinspirit3808d ago

So, MS bought Azure because Sony had substantially more dedicated servers last gen? Is that your logic? Are you sure it's because Sony is worried about gameplay and not a wow factor feature from an average franchise?

Rookie_Monster3808d ago

@sinspirit 3h ago
"So, MS bought Azure because Sony had substantially more dedicated servers last gen?"

LOL, MS didn't buy Azure, they invented it and is theirs from the beginning.

moparful993807d ago

OH you mean like Microsoft did with Blu ray? Or how about Games With Gold being a blatant rip off of PS Plus? Kinect after the success of the Wii? Which by the way was long after the PS EyeToy..

Microsoft is just as bad about using the wait and see approach to things so dont start that nonsense.

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Bobafret3808d ago

But currently it is, and apparently that is a bad thing.

OpieWinston3808d ago

The point is it generates billions for Microsoft.

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PistolsAtDawn3808d ago

The THEORY could be used on every system, however...MS already has the Billion dollar network in place. Sony for instance does not. Sony tied up like 95% of their dedicated servers in PSNow. More than that, the X1 was built in a streamline manner to accept this kind of tech, PS was not. So while yes, the idea could work on any device that is connected to the internet...not to the same degree, and no one else is even remotely close to the level that MS is in it.

agame9143808d ago

and you know this how? wheres your proof where the PS can not achieve this?

moparful993807d ago

@PistolsAtDawn PSNow is built on GAIKAI which was and is a Cloud storage company. Do you honestly think that not only do they not have a huge server farm already in place but that it isn't scaleable? You make far to many assumptions about Sony's ability to compete with Microsoft in this space.

Its laughable how you Microsoft elitists think that they are some kind of untouchable conglomerate that does things light years ahead of everyone else when they are being spanked in every market they currently sell products in with the exception of Operating Systems.

They've been laughed out of cell phones twice, they can't sell their overpriced table computers at the rate that Google and Apple do, their sad experiment with MP3 players and music service was a black eye to them, Google owns them in the search engine market, they can't beat Sony in the Video game space. Amazon owns them in the cloud computing arena.

What on earth makes you think that Sony couldn't leverage cloud computing effectively if they so chose to?

Maybe just maybe Sony realizes that all these grandiose benefits that Microsoft has promised the cloud could do for gaming was nothing more than hyperbole?

candystop3807d ago

But MS is light years ahead of Sony when it comes to this. What's funny is how everytime MS does something it's impossible or not important then all of a sudden Sony can do it too.

sovkhan3807d ago

Lol at these silly answers.

First it,s up to the devs to choose to use it or not. Azure is for hire to everyone who wants it.

second, these things have been around for so long that thinking only Ms can manage to do it, is silly in itself. But cling to whatever saves your boat huh??

candystop3807d ago

It's not about if MS can only do it. It's about the Sony team saying that it can't be done and now all of a sudden we can do it to.

sovkhan3806d ago

@ candy

Depends on what you are talking about.

If it's some low latency calculations, it's fine.

Graphics level calculations, not until internet connections are less than 8 ms response time...which is far far off.

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Tencent to buy Crackdown and Sackboy developer Sumo in $1.3bn deal

Tencent is set to buy Sumo Group in a deal worth $1.27bn (£919m), the companies have announced.

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Darkborn1777d ago

Tencent is really buying up everything. I'm surprised everyone is selling to them like this.

Rebel_Scum1777d ago

They want/need capital I guess.

darthv721777d ago

No way they are worth that much. They are a support studio. I guess tencent decided to throw them an insane price that Sumo would be crazy to turn down.

Its like the godfather. "Im going to make you an offer you cant refuse"

UltraNova1777d ago

Always the case.

Who owns the rights to Crackdown and Sackboy IPs though?

boing11777d ago

I've heard some time ago, that they created a special unit that has a mission to search for acquirable devs all around the globe.

-Foxtrot1777d ago

Going off their business practices they seem like a cancer in this industry

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blacktiger1777d ago

chinese currency, no limit in printing, but they are selling in USD

PrinceAli1777d ago

Maybe because they're a publisher of games with a history of success loool..?

barom1777d ago

Even Microsoft can’t compete with that kind of money.

Zeref1777d ago (Edited 1777d ago )

Uhm yes they can.. What do you mean?

Zeref1777d ago

Money talks, Besides, those developers don't need to worry about income anymore.

enkiduxiv1777d ago

I doubt anyone that matters to the actual production of the games is getting a raise. The only thing that has changed is that now they can't buy any Winnie the Poo products for their kids.

senorfartcushion1777d ago

Well they’re allowed. America and China are leading the world in toxic capitalism.

n1kki61777d ago

As publicly traded companies it's either they sell and potentially get more, or tencent initiates a hostile takeover and buys at least 51% of the shares. These companies might not even be amicable to the buy out but opt to take it because hostile takeovers are terrible.

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frostypants1777d ago (Edited 1777d ago )

Yep. A company that built itself by ripping off IP of small, innovative developers and out-marketing them. Tencent is everything wrong not just with gaming but corporate ethics in general, and the assymetric regulatory playing field we for some reason permit from the Chinese government. Egregiously corrupt companies like Tencent should be banned from the US market.

senorfartcushion1777d ago

The US market would take Tencent to dinner and have it naked on the bed by midnight if it could. America and China are as bad as each other

Lightning771777d ago

They can take Sumo those devs really aren't that great. Sack boys big adventure scored good however but Crackdown 3 wasn't great. They're 50/50 Sony will find a suitable replacement for Sack boy. MS desperately needs a suitable replacement for crackdown, if it's not already too late in terms of fanfare at this point.

Sumo to me isn't that big of a deal there are better devs out there.

senorfartcushion1777d ago

Crackdown 3 was cancelled and remade a few times. Hardly their fault.

darthv721777d ago

This is the same Sumo who made Outrun 2, 2006 Coast to Coast, Sonic Racing Transformed as well as Forza Horizon 2 on the 360. I think they are better than you give them credit for.

Wulfer1777d ago

You might want to walk this statement back. Why else do you think this game goes for over $200 now?

https://www.ebay.com/p/5144...

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ScootaKuH1777d ago

I'm surprised Sumo are valued so high

solideagle1777d ago

yeah, thats what I thought. $1.3 billion is very high, Insomniac sounds like a bargain deal for Sony!

chadwarden1777d ago

And they likely bought Housmarque and Bluepoint for even less than Insomniac.

phoenixwing1777d ago

at the two above me,
it's easy to sell for less when you know you're in good hands business and culture wise. I mean sure you could scratch out some extra money elsewhere but are all the people you know going to be taken care of when you get bought out? Sony takes care of them. Basically you can tell who's a scheming money scumbag by what ceo's/execs choose to be bought by. In the end money talks but there's extras to consider sometimes.

roadkillers1777d ago

I am as well. They do not own any IPs from my understanding...

DOMination-1777d ago

Me too! After looking them up, it seems like they were the parent of other game studios: Lab42, Red Kite, Sumo India, The Chinese Room and PixelAnt Games and also have some cryptocurrency technology.

They may also still hold the IP for back when they were Gremlin Interactive.. back in the Amiga days they were really a dev of some repute.

ScootaKuH1777d ago

Gremlin. Now there's a name that takes me back. Ocean as well.

Teflon021777d ago

They're not, it's likely them just throwing money around to make sure they have no opposition. Sumo is a valuable developer as they've assisted in alot of great games. They did LBP3, Sackboy, Sonic Transformed, I believe Assisted in both ModNation Racers and LBPK, Team Sonic racing, just to name the few off the top of my head that I own.

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IRetrouk1777d ago

I honestly thought ms or Sony would have nabbed them, seeing as they have worked for both on their respective ips, colour me surprised.

Bennibop1777d ago

It's a lot of money for a group with no ips, what would they have worked on to keep so many studios and staff employed. For now at least they continue working on ips for the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

IRetrouk1777d ago

Sony and ms have more than enough ips to keep em busy, the price would have been an issue though, that I agree with, just surprised is all🤷‍♂️

frostypants1777d ago (Edited 1777d ago )

Tencent doesn't exactly pride themselves on original IP anyway. They just steal someone else's. They only need developer drones.

Sephiroushin1777d ago

They have enough to make them busy but there is no point in buying the studio that high, they could just make the developers some offers and thats it... heck every single developer could just quit the studio and with what is tensen left? no point in buying a studio with no IP you dont own the developers

IRetrouk1777d ago

I already agreed that the price was high, still don't take away that they could have been used, and be useful to either ms or sony

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Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Preview/Hands on Impressions (BETA) - CG

Microsoft recently released their Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Beta which allows users the opportunity to stream Xbox games to their Windows 10 PCs or laptops. This follows on from being able to use the cloud gaming on mobile devices which works very well but is limited to the size of your screen. Having the option to play Xbox games with a larger display has its obvious benefits.

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Crackdown 3 8K 60 FPS - Possible at Low-Medium Settings with an RTX 3090

CG writes: Nvidia’s claims that the RTX 3090 can render games in 8K at 60 FPS, ring true for us in this video. We put the game Crackdown 3 through its paces with some interesting results.

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bunt-custardly2054d ago

If you've ever super-sampled anything you would know why it can make things look better.

bouzebbal2054d ago

Let's talk about powahhhh of da clawwdd for a second 🤣did they give up with this thing?

bunt-custardly2054d ago

Oh right, I didn't get the joke sorry, it just clicked. Hmm, is Crackdown 3 really that bad/universally hated especially as it's on gamepass?

SullysCigar2054d ago

My attempt at humour could have been clearer, in hindsight..!

Yeah, sadly Crackdown 3 had been hyped so hard and so long by Microsoft, that when it launched as a mediocre game, it got panned. It was mainly the broken promises about the power of the cloud I think that did it. This was the 'cloud power' poster child for years and it all amounted to nothing, which is a real shame, because if they'd realised their initial vision it could have been special.

bunt-custardly2054d ago

I do remember the original vision where entire buildings could be demolished but wasn't that feature relegated to the multiplayer mode? For me, Crackdown 3 comes across quite generic. I suppose if it had the full destruction in the story mode that would have been bad-ass. If Red Faction Guerrilla can do it why not CD?

FanboySpotter2054d ago

Crackdown 3 was made for crackdown fans. Hated by non crackdown fans. Enjoyed by crackdown fans.

MadLad2054d ago

I played it on PC for a little while via gamepass. It's not nearly as terrible as people would try to make it out to be, but it's the definition of a "meh" game.
There's fun to be had if you're bored.

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andy852054d ago

It's good it's possible but who would pick this over 4K60 on ultra? It would look far better

IanTH2054d ago

100%. This is obviously just showing what can be done with the current highest end hardware, rather than what should be. And if you're splashing out for an RTX 3090 over a 3080 for gaming (small performance delta if not using that huge buffer for productivity), then I guess you'll also consider splashing out for an 8k screen. And, I mean, you'll want to be able to do *something* with it lol.

outsider16242054d ago

Let's be honest here, even with extra high settings at 8k 120fps... it'll still look like crap. Sorry.

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