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How Xbox Won Back The Indie Devs

ID@Xbox has turned two years old, and it’s already clear that the program has radically changed since its inception. European manager of the scheme, Agostino Simonetta, spoke to us about how far the program has come, how it’s shaping the identity of the Xbox One, and where it could possibly be going next…

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Avernus3790d ago

Funny this article says "win back"... I remember the start of this gen ALLOT of X1 gamers swearing that Indie games aren't games, so that's what the PS4 "had no games", and now it's an accomplishment to get back these very indies that X1 owners scorned?

Interesting.

Pogmathoin3790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

Yes, interesting.... Many complained about many things MS did wrong, what they should fix.... And the same complainers, still need complain when these things are fixed, improved..... What else can we complain about?

Utalkin, I understand that... People complained, and were right too, though certain things they wanted to do were good.... But as you said, they have turned things around, yet people still complain like there is no tomorrow....

Utalkin2me3790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

Complain about their original idea and what the wanted to push on the consumer? What is wrong with you people that you just forget what MS has did and was trying to do.

I get they are trying to do right now, and the sole reason in my opinion was due to the backlash they was receiving from vocal consumers. But if you think for a second if nobody was vocal, MS would have keep with their original plan trying to screw over consumers.

Army_of_Darkness3790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

why does this matter?? I thought most xbone gamers don't care for indie games and always bash the ps4 for it?! LOL!

UserNameIsNotTaken3790d ago

Turn things around? Against who?

GamingIVfun3790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

Makes it sound like they got them back from another console, not really the case though, both the PS4 and Nintendo Wii have a lot of indie games, I would guess that the PS4 still has many more indie games and many exclusive indie games.

Many Xbox One gamer's on N4G act like Indie games aren't really games and have tried to use the fact that PS4 has a lot of them against the PS4, so I would guess those same people don't care about them on Xbox One.

I like Indie games on all systems but have a real problem with hypocrisy.

Pogmathoin3790d ago

MS policies may not have been the best, but I assume they were trying to prevent it from going like the App store with tons of rubbish, and also, simply protect the interests of its own console.... Did not turn out that way though.... Even if 360 gave indies the initial breakthrough on consoles......

ScaReCrow903790d ago

No. I am angry with PlayStation because they've turned Indies into Shit filler.

I'm happy Microsoft is helping bring real Indies to the spotlight.

bf0007779663790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

Can we see big indie game projects like Until Dawn or No Man's Sky on the Xbox one in near future? I doubt.

ScaReCrow903790d ago

Okay first of all no man sky was first shown as a pc game before it was ever announced at e3.

Secondly people I believe Sony fans are not calling until dawn an indie. Unless we should ignore when PlayStation said they're giving that game the triple A treatment?

stuna13790d ago

Key words, "Win Back!". How can something be won back, unless it was lost in the first place? Like Utalkin2me is stating Microsoft was making a lot of enemies not only with gamers, but with Indies developers also! I think Microsoft forgot a key point of business; that allowing developers whether big or small to have some sayso in matters concern their games and how their handled, it's still a partnership and collaboration between them and developers of all sizes, and compromises need and have to be made in order to have a healthy relationship.

In many instances Microsoft boguarded situations giving Indies developers no course of actions to take but to accept strigent ultimatums or, shop elsewhere. This is a main reason Indies developers flocked to PlayStation platforms.

Now under new leadership Microsoft has hopefully turned a corner, but just like with gamers, the trust has to be rebuilt and the damage has to be repaired.

ScaReCrow903790d ago

I'm sorry but no.
Xbox Indies have always been superior to the indiestation full of crap Indies. Theres not a single indie coming to PlayStation I care about. Unless shadow of the beast is considered indie. Apart from that nothing.

Xbox has ori, below, inside, ashen, cuphead and more that all just look amazing. I want my front page(steam) and conferences full of games worth playing not Indiecrap.

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sk8ofmnd3790d ago

I believe all it took was for ms to lift the stringent policies they had in place for indie developers. After they did that more indies flooded the x1 market. It had to have left a bitter taste in their mouths tho.

Lenrulesdaworld3790d ago

Actually nothing has changed, the reality is that dev's have either gain money from sales on PS4 or Steam to release on xbox one or both at the same time. Or they just went full exclusive with sony. The policy states if you don't release on xbox one simultaneously they ask that you make an effort to add something to the game to give it a distinguished feeling for xbox gamers. Meaning exclusive items or DLC, some indies refuse or comply, other's release at the same time or don't all. That's the cold hard facts, for example Rocket League is giving xbox exclusive cars. It just enough to make it different from the ps version.

ScorpiusX3790d ago

But yet you forget to mention that both Spencer & Chris Charla have stated that there are workarounds if asked of them.

Lenrulesdaworld3790d ago

@castillo, what I mentioned are the work around's lol. Here TiC is the best place for xbox one facts and news check out this interview we did with Chris as we discuss the parity clause and what the work around's are. https://youtu.be/4XpChhfWBI...

ScaReCrow903790d ago

Ori...cuphead...below...
Just naming a few. Please explain.

How exactly are those games earning money before release?

Lenrulesdaworld3790d ago

@scarecrow the comment isn't about games releasing on xbox through xbox publishing or exclusivity which they pay for. The comment is on games releasing on xbox after releasing on PS4 or choosing not to come to xbox because of the parity clause when in actuality according the Chris Charla that bs. If they want to be on xbox they can. It's why I stated nothing has changed, it's just more indies are coming because we are deeper in the gen an dthey are dropping there games on both xbox & ps or xbox afters ps or xbox 1st because of funding/help from ms.

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Herbalistic3790d ago (Edited 3790d ago )

They cut back on some of the silly restrictions that shouldn't have been put in place..I remember when MS said indie studios would need a publisher just to release games on Xbox One.

2013
http://www.shacknews.com/ar...

But now MS demand of exclusive items for late ports are why they are missing out on some games

TheGamingArt3790d ago

Ummm. It didn't.. I'm one of them lol.

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Final Fantasy X 25th Anniversary Website Launches With New Nomura Artwork and Merchandise

Square Enix launches Final Fantasy X 25th anniversary site, revealing new Nomura art, books, music releases, and merchandise.

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-Foxtrot3d ago

Look I know VIII has its issues and all that but how on earth can the do big anniversary events with new artwork and merchandise for VII, IX and X yet VIII got sweet f*** all.

They could have given it something during its 25th anniversary yet all it got was a single Happy Anniversary post on their social media.

solideagle3d ago

they should know that we are OG fans of VIII as it sold truckload as well. not as much as VII or X. I personally didn't like IX but X and VI are my personal fav.

Shadow Hearts 2 covenant is another game I love. I hope one day someone can make remake, I would be delighted

Relientk773d ago

Final Fantasy VIII is great and you are always the first to defend it in the comments

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Star Wars: Bounty Hunter Let Jango Fett Loose

LucasArts gave Jango Fett his own game in 2002, and it pulled Star Wars into a much dirtier, rougher, and more interesting corner of the galaxy.

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Relientk777d ago

I remember playing this back in the day on PS2. What a sick game!

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We Are Xbox

Dear team,

Xbox has always been different.

We started with a simple idea. Games should bring people together through shared experiences. That led to the first Xbox in 2001, Xbox Live in 2002, and new ways to connect, from friends lists and achievements to parties and play across devices. Today, Xbox reaches over 500 million players around the world, with some of the most important franchises in entertainment.

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Outside_ofthe_Box8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it. They would be turning down immediate money for something that will potentially workout in the long term.

Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box. A lot of their base has moved to PC or jumped to PS. So will be a long road to get back on track.

We have been saying this from day one exclusives are a must if you are going to be selling hardware look at Nintendo and Sony before Jim Ryan. That's the proven formula. You had some that were deluded and blinded by loyalty accepting that multiplat was the future and that MS was merely getting ahead of where the industry was headed, but at least they can finally see the light and agree with what everyone has been saying for a decade+

pwnmaster30008d ago

True, blame it on the rabid fanboys. MS can do no wrong and spinner this multiplatform move. While the actual fans moved on.

I feel like with the new Xbox coming they are hoping to bring back those old fans and then if it goes well. Bring back exclusives.

If the new console is performing like series x and one. Naw they staying multiplatform.

darthv728d ago

Actual fans dont move on... they can add to their hobby while waiting for the next new release. If you believe what you typed then I guess PS fans moved on too.... you know, since its been a Sahara for 1st party games this gen.

S2Killinit8d ago

The fans didn’t tell them to go multilat. MS was forced to after the 82 billion they spent to destroy gaming. Then, while xbox fans cheered, MS realized they can’t justify the price tag by selling through xbox only, so they went multiplat and in the process began to downplay console gaming.

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CrashMania8d ago

I think it's too late, xbox sales were diving even before ABK, they got even worse since then even long before the full multiplatform push. I'd be surprised if they even went back to timed exclusivity at this point, Helix is basically a PC and is going to be expensive, they already struggle to sell cheaper xbox consoles, it will be low volume and they'll have a very small 'console' base to sell to, which has already been conditioned to just play via gamepass anyway.

S2Killinit8d ago

They will do what they always do, they will promise the world at the beginning of next GEN and then failed to deliver all generation long. But there will always be some gamers who will buy into their promises.

ocelot077d ago

Absolutely agree, Do people genuinely believe Microsoft are now going to go. Hang on how's about we go back to 2020. Then GP was stagnating, Games sold where awful because of GP. Outsold by Playstation by a landslide.

They have sold 5m of Forza I believe on PS5. Spite it being a old game. I think Starfield is going to sell well in the end. Halo is deffinetly going to sell well as is Fable and Forza Horizon 6.

I think at best (for Xbox fans). Single player titles like Clockwork will have a timed exclusivity. Multiplayer centric games like Forza, E Day will release day and date on all platforms.

Or all games will release on all platforms day and date. But maybe Xbox and Windows Store copies will have exclusive bonuses. Or may even get timed exclusive dlc like Fallout and Elder Scrolls and COD use to do.

I think they will treat Xbox players like the premium customers or at least act the way. But will serve just the Playstation and Switch 2 customers as well.

Neonridr8d ago

I don't see them removing PC from the equation. Considering MS has a heavy enough investment in the PC market, it would be foolish to abandon them. I could see them taking away games from PlayStation or ensuring they are timed exclusives at the very least. Say what you will but if Call of Duty ends up becoming a timed exclusive to Xbox machines, that would hurt PlayStation, don't pretend like those games don't sell millions.

Outside_ofthe_Box8d ago

They would lose out on a lot of CoD sales tho. Doesn't PS make up most of the sales?

Neonridr8d ago

@Outside - possibly, but it might push people to want Xbox hardware so they can play with their buddies day one.

Who knows.

S2Killinit8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

it would but remember doing that can splinter the COD fan base and in the process damage the call of duty brand which is probably the only franchise in that $82 billion purchase that in anyway gets even close to delivering what Microsoft thought they bought. If Microsoft fudges around too much with the COD franchise, you might even see a competitor franchise show up on the scene and that would be a catastrophe after the huge debt that Microsoft put itself into with the ABK purchase.

But Its almost guaranteed that Microsoft will want to do something drastic at the beginning of the next generation as they always do. We will see.

Pyrofire958d ago

Their lifeline of solely the Xbox consoles is dry. Good-Great games on a 1st party scale can't be made at a loss so willingly - sent to the Xbox to only sell limited copies.
They invested billions scooping up studios and need to start making returns.
Sucks that nearly every company is publicly traded and have to be so shareholder biased but that's how it is.
Their words are strong but it'll take time to see what their actions accomplish. Lowering the cost of Game Pass and taking CoD off of it was a good clear start.

darthv728d ago

More like, allot of their base just played game pass. So now they need to encourage them to start buying again.

S2Killinit8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

A lot of their base left for greener (bluer?) pastures.

--Onilink--8d ago

What exactly is the long term goal with exclusives though?

Because for the most part, the hardware side of things has never been the most profitable, even sometimes being subsidized for a period before breaking even. And that’s before the hardware component nightmare we currently live in.

The whole point of exclusives was to get more people to buy your console in order to have a bigger install base, which meant even bigger software sales.

But if their ports to PS5 are selling (for the most part it seems) quite well, then other than negating the cut Sony takes there, unless you are REALLY increasing your software sales on your own console, it probably doesn’t make that much of a difference?

Honestly I don’t even understand Sony’s decision to scale back on it for PC unless they weren’t even recouping the port expenses. They released ports when the hardware sales never really dropped, and now that all consoles will undoubtedly take a noticeable drop in sales due to the ridiculous prices, that’s when they decide they don’t want to sell to a larger install base to more easily recoup dev costs… it’s just weird

Outside_ofthe_Box8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I agree. I mean once they went multiplat, in theory there should be no going back especially when you have games that have sold really well on other platforms.

Microsoft are the ones that announced that they are reevaluating. So I'm just guessing on what their end goal is. Right now Xbox as a hardware is not a must buy for anyone but fans of the brand because their games can be played elsewhere. Going exclusive would solve this, but you lose out on a ton of money instantly which has always been what the company does not want to do so not really sure what their "reevaluating exclusives" means unless they are pulling a Phil Spencer and are just saying what people want to hear and will continue to do what they are currently doing.

darthv728d ago

Their ports to PS5 are selling because Sony's output has been so dry... the fans are thirsty, and MS is the oasis.

SIdepocket8d ago

Unfortunately, the studios they buy wither under their leadership.

mcstorm8d ago

Microsoft still has a name with Xbox the issue is the casual games are not looking at the console because its not the same console their friends have. Look at that poll on how many users upgraded from xbox 365 to one and then the X. Part of Microsoft's downfall was thinking that the Wii was the market they had to be in when really it was the core market. If you get the core gamers you then get the market to. As I posted a few minuets ago on another post Microsoft putting exclusives on PS this gen could bold well if they hit next gen with all our games are staying exclusive from this new gen. They will then get gamers wanting Halo, Forza Gears but this is also where Microsoft fell over with the xbox one and X in terms of they did not have may quality 1st party games affter they fell into the Gears, Forza and Halo cycle. If they can get some old IPs back to bring back the old core gamers as well as fresh ips to bring in new gamers things could improve next gen. But as I said in my last post its all if buts and maybes at the moment. No one knows if the next home consoles will be to expensive that people move to pc as we are now seeing or look at the stem deck as a cheepier alternitive.

DarXyde8d ago

"Only issue is they've already opened Pandora's box."

That's very optimistic. It's not the only issue, far from it. There is a serious rupture between Microsoft generally and the public caused by their weird Game Pass price fluctuations, taking down physical game space in stores, and being the first to go nuts on hardware price hikes that they themselves played a big part in.

They're also charging beyond a premium for Helix which is just vile at a time when the economy is in shambles.

The company itself is really not doing itself any favors with the approach they're taking Windows. Even France is looking to ditch Windows in favor of Linux.

But the most offensive thing is this AI push. They're doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on the very technology they're using to replace a considerable proportion of their workforce... And the slap in the face is how they bake copilot into everything when nobody likes it—they couldn't even make Bing stick, so why on earth are they trying so hard? You know it's bad when people would rather use ChatGPT than Copilot which is killing their OS. But aside from their snatching up of farmland to build data centers (and reduce the agriculture capacity of whichever country allows them to build them), they made an AI-generated gamer gurl that loves AI the head of Xbox.

Even if we grant them the full benefit of the doubt, it hardly matters what Xbox wants to do if Nadella says no, and that includes exclusive games. Microsoft's relationship with Xbox is the opposite of Sony's relationship with PlayStation—Microsoft pulls the reins of Xbox, but Sony damn near went under for the PS3.

Tanktopmaster927d ago (Edited 7d ago )

“If they go back to exclusive games it at least shows that they are finally getting it.”

Great strategy, especially after Forza selling 5 million on PlayStation and sea of thieves selling at least another million (2 million) for example. In March 2026, Xbox consoles sales ratio vs PS was 10:1.

In addition to that, with Gamepass, which unequivocally cuts out chunks of sales (Cannibalizing revenue from 1st month sales especially).

I’m sure going exclusive again after releasing everything on Ps5 is going to work out great for business.

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maximusprime_8d ago

Despite all of that, it's clear that Microsoft's Xbox division is broken beyond repair.

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BeHunted8d ago

PlayStation is currently draining money on flop after flop. It's Sony that needs to re-evaluate their strategy

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CrashMania8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Wonder how much money was lost on perfect dark, hellbalde 2, 300 million lost revenue
by putting cod on gamepass. The recent Jason schrier news that Xbox has cancelled dozens of projects, spent 70 billion just to see Xbox sales further collapse and gamepass see little growth.

The fact is this has been PlayStation's most profitable generation and they are making loads of money and selling plenty of consoles and games. While MS won't give you any sales figures or profit numbers for Xbox, says it all really.

S2Killinit8d ago

Sony PlayStation has deservedly dominated xbox. Facts

Tanktopmaster927d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Ok tween.

Xbox series SX got outsold 10:1 last month. lol.

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shadowT8d ago

"Our presence on PC isn’t strong enough."

Fishy Fingers8d ago

It isnt. But I dont think they mean in 'games', rather, footprint.

They own the OS but as far as gaming is concerned, Steam dominate. I imagine the VAST majority of people who use the Xbox app/launcher are PC gamepass subs. No ones buying their 3rd party PC games through Xbox PC.

badz1498d ago

and many gamers prefer SteamOS for gaming over Windows too. If only Valve would be more uncompromising to the anti-cheat makers that locked out non-windows players, more pc gamers would have moved onto SteamOS by now and not looking back to Windows. overall, Win11 is a terrible, bloated, unoptimized OS which is not what many people want

ocelot077d ago

Agreed and I think that's where they are going to focus on more. I think cheaper games on Windows/Xbox store (MS IP) compared to Steam and Epic and maybe even compared to PSN store as well.

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