@Mr

Most console gamers play console because they don't have to drop a grand for the initial investment into PC.
I have watched a good few of my friends swear by the simplicity of console, and transition over to PC with little to no issue, and fast.

I think websites need to stop telling people what to do. Especially when it's a site called pcgamer telling people not to play stuff on a console but rather on a PC.

Website supports piracy. Wtf and No.

@Mr Pumblechook
Hate that excuse. I'm actually playing FF12 on PC and all I did was set the resolution up to 4x Native and widescreen. That's all. There's nothing to be afraid of because you can't "plug and play." If you're reading this and you online play on console just think about how much you would save if you took all the money you spent paying to play online and put that towards a PC.

@nitus10,

I got a USB-DVD player for my PC a couple years ago... I can count how many times I've used it on one hand. So, I recommend buying a super cheap one - if you actually are going to.

I find it funny that everyone says they are playing every XB1 game on PC, (despite many XB1 games not being on PC anyway) but then magically have no clue how to use a PC when articles like this come....

I find it really hard to fathom how you guys are supporting this. $15 for trophies? Bought the game? Too bad, pay again. Bought the game again already on PS3 classics? Too bad pay again. Both other consoles offer free BC? Too bad, pay again.

I feel there is nothing Sony can do that will not be whole heartedly accepted. It is sad.

@Thanatos

I guess it's easier to equate the idea of emulation to nothing more than simple piracy than to have an actual conversation of the pros and cons.
Let alone the perceived moral grey area by some.

What I've really learned is that there's really only two camps. The vast majority are fine with emulation, and see it just as a way to play superior versions of the past titles on modern machines.
No perceived grey area to be had.

The other, mostly console gamers who would never touch PC in order to play games, who take issue with on the sole fact that they will never see, nor admit the merit to something they never intend to partake in. In turn, as is true with a lot of idiocy on the internet, when you don't like something, you feel the need to demonize it. Even if that happens to make you anti-consumer in and of yourself.

I guess I'll sit as a "dirty pirate" and enjoy my past experiences in a more proper form. I can live with that, and happily. :)

As soon as someone makes up fake percentages I see their opinion as invalid since it's based on very irrational thought.

And yes this is even true if I agree with them. I got War of the Monsters on PS4 since I lost my physical copy somewhere in the past 12 years.

bloop

so what they sucks don't play them. if they suck so much why are you all being bothered by it. so they suck when they are in digital form but if sony were to allow disk based games than they won't suck?

if you have bunch of ps2 games than buy a ps2 or a ps3 or run them on a emulator on a pc in 4K. what's all this fuss about?

sony won't be releasing a lot of ps2 games. we will see a very limited library of games on ps4.

this is what i don't get about you all who complain

if i am bothered by a publisher or a service i just avoid it. simple as that speak with your wallets. i will pay $45 and play gta trilogy on ps4 and if sony were to release ominusha and time splitter than i will buy those too

if you don't like this offering don't use the service

AnubisG - $9.99 and $14.99 is messed up? To play Rogue Galaxy in 1080p with trophies, screenshots/video, and shareplay on a DS4 is absolutely worth the price of admission imo...especially since i never played it originally. 2D indies can go for $20 on console these days so to get an all-time classic game that i never got a chance to play is terrific.

How much should they charge? $6.99? 3.99? $0.99? Essentially ur getting these games for the price of a cheap indie, it's reasonable to me.

Just like PS Now i think the PS2 classics are aimed at ppl who've never played these games more so than the ppl who own the original discs.

@Iamtyler

Everything you just listed besides the trophies and cost are all available on an emulator. Your argument is saying "I'm too thickheaded to drop a rom file into a folder and save money, availability, and more options. So I'll just throw money at whatever Sony is offering because of trophies and my lack of cognitive thinking."

Well that only works if you have a 4k/60fps monitor and a reasonable although not that expensive graphics card.

@ravencry

Now that is better enhanced than what I can display via my BC PS3 although it still produces acceptable output. Oh turn off those attack lines when you get the chance (great for noob's) the game is so much better again. Blast now you have given me a nostalgia kick.

For anyone who looked at the video that Tyrannosaurus is hellishly powerful although if you don't attack or bump into it you will be fine. You can even go outside the area although won't survive more than a few seconds especially at level 1 or 2.

@Tapani

Remasters of PS2 or any game for that matter are different to the original game.

Running the original game via emulation which can further enhance the game (the BC PS3 does that) is what people here as discussing. If you prefer paying for a remaster then fine but some people here (myself included) have a collection of PS2 games and we don't really care to pay for a base PS2 game (admittedly with trophies) when we already own the original.

That's what I was saying before, but always got trolled down. If MS could pull off backwards compatibility, Sony can do it too but I'm starting to think they just want to squeeze every last penny out of their fans with countless cheap "remasters".

@ravencry

Thanks for the video! Reminded me how brilliant this game is. 2015 and I'm still loving the animations! Masterpiece!

@Tapani

Sources please :)

Well yeah, if you already have the disc, clearly that's the best option.

ICO/SotC (PS3) looks better than the emulated version on PC.

http://images.eurogamer.net...
Better polished and with new higher res textures.

@ShinMaster,

Huh...that is because Shadow of the ICO collection was remastered vice emulated?

@ravencry

>Shadow Of The Colossus on i3 4150 and 750 ti playing at 1080p 60fps
>I3 4150, 60FPS

Did you even watch the video? The game is dropping actual frames like on the real PS2. The emulator 60FPS readin =/= the game being rendered and running internally at 60FPS. The emulator 60FPS is the target emulation speed but its falsely called "Frames Per Second". The reading may come from "60Hz" because that is the refresh rate the game has to be running if it was displayed on a (NTSC) CRT TV

SotC can run at higher FPS on the emulator but its a weird case how it works (I dont remember, combined with a speedhack, the game tries to force more "results" to replace the parts speedhack removed or something) and I personally havent seen it ever running at constant 60FPS in any video.

You would need a superb (intel) CPU with high clockrate and properly set up EE overclock and speedhacks to get it up and over 30FPS.

*AFAIK.

@Tapani

A game running at 480p with frame drops into the 20s is not an artistic vision no matter how much you try to convince yourself it is.

In my case I do have a backwards compatible PS3 and PS2 games played on that are graphically acceptable even when played on a 55" or larger HDTV. I do play them via my HDMI connection and some games will also play Dolby 5.1 sound.

There are also PS2 games that have a network component and if the servers are up and you have a BC PS3 then you can still connect.

Unfortunately PS1 games which all PS3's can play look very grainy on a large screen HDTV although a smaller display is not as bad. This is were remasters are so much better but that means paying for the game again. Your choice, your money.

My 2015 tv only has hdmi input.

Component for the win.

Sure it looks low-res still, but good vibrant colors and sharp image -> low res. Not a muddy mess like with composite.

@Uglyday
Pretty sure component -> HDMI converters cant be all that expensive. Still dont know if there going to be a problem with Analog vs Digital video signal or something...

@NIX

No, PS2 to PS4 is not like moving from VHS to Bluray, it is more like moving from DVD to Bluray. Even today many people have older DVD movies that play acceptably via up-scaling and smoothing that consoles like the PS3, PS4, XBox360 and XB1 can do. Yes you can see the difference but that difference is not hugely significant.

I would agree if you said PS1 to PS3/PS4 is like moving from VHS to Bluray.

Nintendo does it, movie companies do it with new formats and the music industry did it.

How come you're not complaining when they re-released movies from vhs-dvd-blu ray, why aren't you demanding a free copy?

@ nix

No it's not. You're buying PS2 games. If you bought Vice City to play on the PS4, you are in reality buying the PS2 version.

The PS4 "version" is the PS2 version being upscaled by the PS4 emulator. You're not buying a better version of the game. You're buying the same version that was released in 2002.

Wow when i said VHS to Bluray" i didn't mean in literal terms. It's a 2 generation away. It's around 10 years old.

On PS4, you're not only getting it upscaled - you get to win trophies, shareplay.

@Jivesh, hahaha.. If you're talking about the YouTube channel, i only recently found out about that channel only when he interviewed Shu san. I haven't bothered watching other videos of him though. If you're talking about movie, then no, no way.. q:

"I actually only own a handful of PS2 games. Most of them I got used. But I deserve to pirate any and all of them".