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Why Resolution-gate is Ridiculous

"Since the launch of Xbox One, lots has been made about the resolution that we play games at. Fans of Sony’s latest console, the Playstation 4, have taken great joy pointing out how some games run at a higher resolution on that console than on our beloved Xbox Ones. While I can’t deny that the PS4 more consistently runs games at 1080p, I really don’t think it matters that much. Let me explain" -- Xbox Enthusiast.

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Herbalistic3806d ago (Edited 3806d ago )

The performance thing isn't new to this gen being as 360 had advantage on multi platform games last gen..There were plenty of people making fun of sub hd on PS3 versions of games..I remember people used go to Lensoftruth and many other sites to see which machine had the advantage and lots of Xbox guys/girls were happy to gloat.

Fatdrinkofwater3806d ago (Edited 3806d ago )

Id say a lot of the people that gloated about such things last gen with the 360 switched to ps4 this gen to continue being able to gloat about having the best when they heard ps4 was more powerful.

The same attitudes are coming from the ps4 side now so i bet its the same people they just go whatevers more powerful then talk down on anything 'inferior'

People should just be happy to have what they like theres no need to be rude about it and make fun of other platforms.

I mean you go to a pc lan party and you dont make fun of someone cuz u got a better gpu than they do cuz in the end u playing the same game and u just play nd have fun.

CaptainObvious8783806d ago

I'd actually disagree that those 360 fans switched to the PS4 to keep gloating. The reason? It wasn't bad last gen, but now, when the different is a lot bigger and actually makes a real difference, it's all of a sudden a petty thing to discuss.

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dirkdady3806d ago (Edited 3806d ago )

This is different- PS3 and 360 games were mostly the same resolutions just some differences in filters, AA, performance at times due to some devs not optimizing for cell initially. Most large dev houses moved to the PS3 as lead platform later on to improve dev cycle as it's easier to start on PS3 to build the gAme to use all the cell cores and port to 360 then the other way around.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Case in point - Battlefield 4 one of the last beautiful looking last gen game runs much better on PS3 than 360 -
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

This gen the ps4 and Xbox one hardware components are in different tiers or class from the memory to GPU.

Fatdrinkofwater3806d ago

Your joking right? The gap this gen is way smaller than last gen. Most games for the majority of the generation were much better on 360 with higher resolutions and better frame rates and graphical effects.

Only the last legs of the generation did things turn around as devs had a better understanding of the ps3 hardware plus they had more space on the blu ray disc compared to 360 dvd.

Thats why whenever anyone quotes games being better on ps3 they are late gen games such as gta 5, battlefield 4 ect..

the differences this gen are MUCH smaller. Most games are identical save for some multiplats having lower resolutions.

However we are dealing with much higher resolutions compared to last gen so the ppi ratio is much higher so its harder to tell the difference, compared to last gen the pixels were much larger from the lower resolutions so differences were much easier to notice.

CEO of ID software even said the consoles are practically identical when used to their full potential.

Trouble is neither console is being used to its full potential yet and its more noticeable with xb1.

I blame the ddr3 + esram setup being hard to master resulting in lower resolution but i don't think this will last. Just like the ps3 was hard to work with at first the same can be said for the xb1.

Fatdrinkofwater3806d ago (Edited 3806d ago )

Honestly both consoles last gen were awesome. I love my ps3 just as i love my 360. Don't worry about these differences they are really minor at the end of the day and really don't matter. I didn't mean to rant and get a bit off topic but seriously the gap this gen is so much smaller than it was last gen.

Most people cannot tell the difference this gen when put side by side. You have to be told what to look for or get under a microscope to count the pixels because that's how small the differences are.

That says a lot.

Vaneriuz3805d ago

Many seem to have forgotten that multiplatform games were better on the PS3 the last few years of the last generation, it even had more sales eventually. Plus better exclusives, and more exclusives (by far).

I own all consoles though. All consoles have their charm and great games :)

Fatdrinkofwater3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

You are right and i did mention that the ps3 had the superior versions at the end of the gen :) 1st party games really shined all gen long but the multiplats suffered especially early on due to being ported from 360 and the cell being hard to code for and needing more resources so would sometimes end up not as polished in comparison.

My earlier point was that its a slightly similar situation with games being made for ps4 then ported to xb1 and coming out a bit rough due to xb1 being harder to code for with esram split memory setup and not getting as much resources and time to optimize.

And heck yeah Ps3 had so many great exclusives such a great console :)

Why o why3805d ago

The differences are larger this gen. . End of.

People who say the opposite tend to be those who can't accept or acknowledge how the differences were celebrated last gen. . The want people to think the disparities are smaller to somehow justify their celebrations whilst trying to paint the current celebrations as unwarranted or over the top

Clunkyd3805d ago

I never understood why would someone brag about how powerful their PC is. In the real world, people would just laugh at you. What an embarrassment. lol

Fatdrinkofwater3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Why oh why the gap is so much smaller this gen. All multiplats are either 99% the same or completely identical on both systems. If you think the gap is wider this gen then you clearly dont have both systems and your just fooling yourself.

Phunkydiabetic13805d ago

Pfff hahahahahaha. I wouldnt consider a near consistent 44% difference in resolution a small gap. Thats without getting into the numerous other advantages. Let me guess you own an Xbox One?

Fatdrinkofwater3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

I own both and just for the record resolution is just ONE factor. The actual graphics, you know the taxing stuff, is IDENTICAL on both platforms.

44% difference in res is not 44% harder to achieve and nore does it look 44% better because the ppi ratio at 900p looks very similar to 1080p. And the image gets upscaled anyway if its sub native 1080 by the xbox then enhanced again by the tv so in person its almost impossible to tell.

There are loads of 1080p native games on xb1 but the issues xb1 has with res on multiplats is a bandwidth/optimizing issue and that is something that will be overcome in time.

720p is a different story but 900p vs 1080p is very minimal in person to notice if at all depending on how well the image is presented. Batman arkham knight and the witcher 3 are good examples of how it looks identical regardless of differemce in resolution.

I dont have a problem with one being more powerful its always been the case. Ps3 had sharper graphics on a lot of exclusives too but the gap this gen is serverely overblown and you all act like its a huge thing when its not.

And what are these numurous other advantages you speak of? Bs is what it is. And ita usually always due to a poorly optimized port from ps4 to xb1.

The consoles are closer than ever this gen.

rainslacker3805d ago

@fatdrink

It's almost inevitable that for any moderate to big game release, and sometimes indie releases, we'll see an article claiming fairly large differences between the PS4 and X1 versions of a game. Last gen the differences were reported by Digital Foundary mostly, and it usually came down to textures, blades of grass, lighting effects, and the random frame drops. A few games had glaring flaws in one version or another, which were used as proof by some that one system was better than the other.

This gen, the differences are differences between 30 and 60 fps, 720, 900, and 1080 resolutions, textures, and lighting, and in almost every case, the differences are much more substantial than the minuscule things being discussed last gen.

It's possible to go back and read the entirety of N4G articles from last gen using a search function which I hear has been improved. Perhaps you should do so, because it sounds like you are trying to change a narrative that is pretty well known around these parts.

Last gen, I would have never considered the differences to be glaring, nor allowed it to change my consideration on which was "better". But this gen, the differences are substantial by orders of magnitudes in some cases.

Fatdrinkofwater3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

But the differences are less noticeable this gen rainslacker. Thats my point.

And the differences we see between a game being 30 and 60 is bollox marketing. Tomb raider for example is rubbish performance ranging from low 30s to a high of 60 but averaging around 45fps.

XB1 in this case is locked at a solid 30 the whole time. So if unlocked it could go higher too but what would be the point if its unstable like the ps4 version. In the end it was a dev decision to cap xb1 at 30.

And what games have different textures and lighting between both consoles? From everything ive seen its identical on both platforms bar resolution for some multiplats. Ive even seen instances where xb1 has better colours ie gta5 or some games xb1 has better AF.

last gen the ppi ratio was much lower than this gen so a difference in resolution was much more noticeable. where as this gen the ppi ratio is much higher with most multiplats being 900p vs 1080p which to most people cant see the difference once its upscaled and displayed on a tv.

Its been proven over and over that most people cant tell the difference in person between the consoles to the point where there have been blind tests and people swore the xb1 version was the ps4 version.

The issues with xb1 from what i can tell and have seen in past generations is simply teething issues going from one generation where things are done a certain way to a new gen where you need to learn new ways of doing things. The first couple of years are always rough as devs get used to hardware and game engines are improved to cater for new hardware and newer techniques and graphical effects.

The ps4 is very strait forward to optimize for in comparison to the xb1 being more complicated and the end result is a poorly optimized port on the xb1 console. again something that will improve over the course of the generation.

On paper the differences sound big. However in real life the differences are very minor to the point where a lot of people simply cant tell the difference and people have to be told what to look for or the magnifying glass pixel counter has to come out.

the real world difference between these consoles is tiny.

Im not denying the ps4 has the edge, but the xb1 is not far behind at all.

People on here acting like its a massive difference like ps2 vs xbox original when its just not.

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moparful993806d ago

As soon as I read this article my exact first thought was so now that the Xbox brand is on the wrong side of the resolution argument suddenly it's overblown?

Hypocrisy is something that a lot of these people don't seem to comprehend, and if they do they are outright ignoring how blatant they are being in it.

It was an everyday exercise to log onto N4G, see an article bashing the PS3's supposed inferiority in the graphics department, and then have to feverishly defend Sony's honor in the comments. In fact defending the PS3 was mostly what I did on here for YEARS. It bugs me to this day thinking about it.

Instead of coming here for news and to share experiences and thoughts with other like minded people it was a perpetual political debate. I grew very very tired of it and took an extended hiatus from this site.

Today the shoe is on the other foot so too speak, and it's unfortunately status quo, but now it's the other side having to defend their console maker's honor. I don't know if it's woeful ignorance or if they are truly that blatant in their hypocrisy. I try not to judge before knowing enough but I generally try to give most of the people on this site enough credit as to how knowledgeable they are in regards to video games.

All I know is this bickering, mud slinging, and infighting is getting very old.

Jerredh3806d ago

The fact you bothered defending a console from lunatic fanboys instead of ignoring the comments is kinda pathetic. My only console at the moment is an xbox one and i could give a s##t what people think. If you argue over resolution and whos toy is better then you are worse than 5 year olds arguing as you are supposed to be an mature adult, not a pathetic grown child.

Rhythmattic3805d ago

Jerredh

Arguing over resolutions?

There is no such thing. After all, most Console multi platform titles are in fact at a higher resolution on PS4 compared to Xone....

Put simply, that is not an argument but a fact.

rainslacker3805d ago

"I don't know if it's woeful ignorance or if they are truly that blatant in their hypocrisy."

Probably both. Some people will feel one way, some people will do it for another reason. When you generalize the group like that, it makes it seem like they are all like that. About the only way to avoid that is to see how that person is through that time.

Then there are the cases where people just stopped caring, and it's not a big deal anymore, which isn't really hypocrisy, but those people tend to be rare, and I will admit, many do defend with quite the religious fervor.

And lastly, you have those new types who weren't participating, or weren't around back then, so they come in with their own views, and they, like their predecessors will bring their preferences into their arguments.

Unfortunately, it's not a catch all to assume one thing is what's going on, and a lot of people assume it's all a single group think, as opposed to just calling out people on an individual level which is easier to do.

Generalizing is great for some arguments, because it does lessen the need to qualify one's statements, since most people do know the types you may be talking about, but unfortunately, in console war arguments, those generalizations get twisted around to try and make one look misinformed or stupid.

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PistolsAtDawn3806d ago

It was stupid then too, but at least then you could see the differences without looking at them side by side, freeze-framed etc. I get that PS has a higher Res if there is a difference...but that doesn't happen all that often...and even less often does it really amount to anything. There are so many aspects to gaming that ANY ONE of them is more important than the graphical differences we have seen this gen...in fact simply changing my tv made TONS more difference than any difference I've ever seen between my two consoles.

Fanboyism will always exist, because really it has nothing to do with gaming at all...the thing I personally notice more than any other gen is how much people will actively try to convince you NOT to get the console they don't prefer. It's like fanboys this gen are actively trying to kill gaming, but don't even realize it. I get having a preference, but the telling people they are "wrong" for liking something else is just dumb IMO.

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Stogz3805d ago

Lol @chrinicrhinitis, yup glad I'm not the only one that sees thru this guy's fanboy BS. Always acts like he's above it when he's just as bad as the worst of them....

angelusbrz3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

So you leave IGN because you got raped by facts to land here ? damn fanboys are terrible, here for you a new 900p vs 1080p situation in image:

https://i.gyazo.com/bf240e3...

alvgamin4lif3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Dude you're a fanboy yourself...
Also when someone says "you're wrong" on the internet, it doesn't mean the end of the world. It's just a different opinion (unless that person is a troll).
"I hope someone takes a snapshot of this comment thread for next gen." - This comment of yours shows how much of a fanboy you are...

"Fanboyism will always exist, because really it has nothing to do with gaming at all...the thing I personally notice more than any other gen is how much people will actively try to convince you NOT to get the console they don't prefer. It's like fanboys this gen are actively trying to kill gaming, but don't even realize it. I get having a preference, but the telling people they are "wrong" for liking something else is just dumb IMO"

Nobody is forcing you. And this happened last gen too...

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dirkdady3806d ago (Edited 3806d ago )

I agree.

BoriboyShoGUN3806d ago

Graphics have always mattered! Isn't that why we upgrade every generation?? A lot of factors influenced my decision to go Sony this gen and system power definitely was one of them.

sammarshall1023806d ago

People aren't saying graphics don't matter though

It's just that the resolutions don't really show a significant difference

Azzanation3805d ago

@Herbalistic
The difference between last gen performance gaps and this gen performance gaps is massive. Last gen it wasn't just the resolution that the 360 had over the PS3. It also didn't help when Sony claims the PS3 was more powerful. That was the problem last gen.

This gen the only differences is a minor resolution jump and a slight framerate advantage. There is basically no difference between the PS4 and XB1 with the naked eye unlike last gen which was a completely different story.

Captain_TomAN943805d ago

What your forgetting is the countless games that performed far better on PS3 a few years after it came out.

Battlefield 3 comes to mind.

Either way it is silly to compare this gen to last. Last gen the were almost entirely the same strength besides the PS3's WAY stronger (And expensive, harder to program) CPU.

This gen the divide in performance is bigger than even the Xbox Vs PS2. It is HUGE.

Fatdrinkofwater3805d ago

You think the gap is bigger than ps2 to xbox og? Wow... I thought id heard it all but that takes the cake. You really have no idea. I suggest you get an xbox one pronto to see for yourself how wrong you are.

Captain_TomAN943804d ago

@FatDrinkofwater

LMAO yeah you know nothing buddy. I have seen how garbage games on the X1 look firsthand several times lol so I am good in that department.

Just look at the specs on paper. If you could understand the numbers you would agree.

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WeaseL3806d ago

Why Resolution-gate is Ridiculous by xboxenthusiast

Nuff said

sammarshall1023806d ago

Well it is

I can see if the differences were extreme but they are minor in 99% of the games

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Haru3805d ago

I own both consoles just like I owned both consoles last gen too and I can say that last gen the differences weren't as significant as they are now, 99% of games look clearly better on PS4 than on xbone, and yes I can see the differences thank god I'm not blind

agame9143805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

I have battlefront which I know needs more content and compared it on PS4 to the XBOX ONE. And honestly I'm not trying to be a jerk but damn. A huge difference in resolution. I was one of those people that did have a hard time spotting differences but that game shows the resolution gap more then I seen any other game this gen

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uth113806d ago

owners of higher performing platforms will always lord it over lower-performing platforms
owners of lower performing platforms will always say it's no big deal

always have, always will.

DDMNeo3806d ago

PC MASTER RACE...I mean, I guess you're right.

agame9143805d ago

I have a PC as well and prefer my PS4.....so..yea

rainslacker3805d ago

It's a vicious cycle. Being so petty does tend to come back to bite you in the ass though. I mean, I've seen Sony people saying things along the lines of, "well you deserve it because you did it to us all last gen". But if next gen sees the tables turn, you know Xbox fans will lob it right back into their faces as well.

Karma's a cruel mistress.

Luckily, if you actually enjoy games, it's not that big of a deal so long as it doesn't actually cause the game to be unplayable.

FallenAngel19843806d ago

Xboxenthusiast saying that resolution gate is ridiculous? That sure isn't surprising

NeoGamer2323805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

Just like Sony fanboys saying they can see a stunning difference between 900p and 1080p in games. Not a surprise at all.

If you have a problem with the resolution on X1 games the answer is really simple. Don't buy the console.

It is not like MS is sitting there saying that X1 outperforms PS4. This is a well known difference between the two consoles and gamers should make their decisions themselves. Not with media constantly showing the same results from the same comparisons.

agame9143805d ago

But the cloud and DX12?

rainslacker3805d ago (Edited 3805d ago )

I can notice the difference if I'm asked to, or really try. While playing I probably wouldn't. Same with frame rate, and I've gained a keen eye for such a thing with my work, and I still don't really notice if I'm not trying.

Doesn't mean people can't notice the difference though, and to some people it is important.

For the layman, or mainstream gamer, they have the belief that one is more powerful than the other...which is true...so all they know is that they are getting the better version. Sometimes they may not, but at least they perceive it as that way.

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Games with average storylines but great gameplay

Some games make up for a lackluster story with excellent gameplay. These are some games with average storylines but great gameplay.

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shinoff21831118d ago

Who decides if a games story is average idefinitely ain't listening to no reviewers. I don't agree with most of then anyway. I think alot of them are to harsh on games so they can get clicks

banger881117d ago

Every Soulslike game ever made.

refocusedman1117d ago

zelda has a story line? Actually do any nintendo 1st party games have decent (not even good) storylines?

NotoriousWhiz1117d ago

Does Xenoblade count as 1st party? That's the only one I can think of.

NotoriousWhiz1117d ago

Also, Ocarina of time definitely had a decent (but not great) story.

Brazz1117d ago (Edited 1117d ago )

Zelda average story line!? Zelda Story sucks, most time It comes to "save the princess", Nintendo sucks at story outside Fire Emblem and perhaps 1-2 other IPs.

DOMination-1117d ago

Actually the Souls games and Zelda games share something in common, which is that they reward gamers for seeking out the story rather than thrusting it in their faces. Not saying this is better or worse, but it's unfair to say they don't have them.

People will be surprised to learn that if you dig a bit deeper into Zelda games, there's a whole lot of really dark and crazy stuff happening.

RaiderNation1117d ago

@DOMination

Thrust in your face??? I assume by that you mean basic story-telling 101? Lol.

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P_Bomb1117d ago

I platinumed both Niohs but for the life of me, couldn’t tell you what happened in the story lol! I can namedrop Nobunaga, but that’s about it.

ChasterMies1117d ago (Edited 1117d ago )

The pinnacle of bad story but great gameplay is Destiny and Destiny 2. What is the Traveler? What is the Darkness? What the heck is happening? No one knew. But shooting the aliens and robots felt so good.

Brazz1117d ago (Edited 1117d ago )

Article os about "average" story. But If you wanna talk about bad story but great gameplay you need to look at Nintendo, they are the masters at making poor shirt story on great gameplay.

HeliosHex1117d ago

@deus. If you want more of the story fleshed out in detail I'd recommend the destiny grimoire anthology 1-6 25 bucks each. It's really good I loved the backstory on the guns.

Relientk771117d ago

"I don't even have time to explain why I don't have time to explain."

Is my favorite line from Destiny's "story" lol

GotGame8181117d ago

Sorry, but the princess is in another castle.

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