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Digital Foundry vs Xenoblade Chronicles X

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Ultimately, Xenoblade Chronicles X is a beautiful and expansive game. It's also really the only game of its kind on the Wii U right now and it works wonderfully. Even with some of its blemishes, it's hard not to be impressed by what has been achieved on Nintendo's home console. The slick presentation, rich gameplay, and incredible soundtrack all comes together to create one of the most polished open world experiences we've encountered in quite some time - even in the face of obvious technical compromises. Looking back over Monolith Soft's catalogue of games, we feel confident in saying that Xenoblade Chronicles X is its most impressive title to date.

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roland823816d ago

It's amazing what talented developers can do with limited hardware.

gamerb63816d ago

All hardware is limited, so not sure what you mean by that, but I agree the about the developer's being talented, can't wait to get this game.

raWfodog3816d ago

This also shows how exclusive games can be optimized much better when developers aren't trying to spread it out over all consoles and systems. Not saying that it couldn't be done as well if it was multiplatform, but the developers need to have the desire and resources to do so.

light693816d ago

Obviously he meant with a console that is more limited than its competitors.. why do people act dumb online? Common sense

NickieNick3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

I can't believe this game is being described as "beautiful" and being used as an example of what the Wii2 can do.

- It has some of the worst pop-in that I've seen.

- Blurry texture filtering only a few feet away.

- Non-existent collision detection.

- Jaggy LOD models in the distance.

- ps2-gen water that does not interact.

- And time-of-day with baked shadows.

Even GTA5 on ps3/360 looks better than this and has WAY more going on at the same time, including physics and shadows.

rjason123816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

You've obviously never played the game, especially since you literally copied and changed the wording a bit on the negatives they've presented. Plus gta 5 was made by a company who has major experience with PS3/360 hardware, while this is monolift softs first Wii U game and their first HD game.

light693816d ago

When you realize you're a troll and nobody cares

Concertoine3816d ago

I can't believe you're comparing one of the most expensive games in history made by a team of hundreds to a niche JRPG made by a team of around 80.

This is why we can't have middle market games, all the morons will come out of the woodwork to complain it doesn't look as good as their bloated AAA games.

AJBACK2FRAG3816d ago

GTA V 360 has horrible pop up!

NickieNick3816d ago

Back2frag - nowhere near as bad as this.

Sirk7x3816d ago

The beauty is not in the technical performance, which minor issues aside, is still pretty great. Solid frame performance and good animation. Geez, it's like you kids just started playing video games or something. Name a perfect video game and I'll never play one again. Morrowind on Xbox used to crash every half an hour, and it's still one of the greatest games I've ever played. That aside, no, the beauty is in the art direction, which is top quality. Monolith are an amazing studio. Xenoblade Chronicles on the Wii might have looked like it carried PS2 level polygons and textures, but it's still by FAR the most gorgeous game I've ever played. Possibly the best as well.

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acekaze3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

Nickienick, your just one of those ah ?

pcz3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

what many people dont realise about this game, is that the wiiu is also rendering the entire universe and all its contents in real time, from a atomic nucleus level all the way to giant super galaxies and the universe itself.

people take for granted that what you see on the screen is only a little snippet of what the wiiu is processing- all in real time. so while you are running around on the map, the wiiu is also rendering earth, all its inhabitants, every grain of sand, every strand of hair on every creature. all in real time, just in the background. it also obviously renders every other planet, solar system and galaxy simultaneously. quite a feat

actually, the wiiu renders the universe and all its contents twice, because its rendering it all on the gamepad too.

all facts

also, the NX cpu will be called skynet

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N4g_null3816d ago

This is pretty cool because it is also rendering to the gamepad also. 30 frames locked with a low of 29. Nice work with no loading screens. I can't wait to see what they do with more power.

higgins783816d ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again - particularly in the shadow of Just Cause 3 arriving near enough at the same time...WHY is the Wii U 'underpowered'?

alvgamin4lif3816d ago

Anything is possible if it is optimised well enough (and if proper amount of time and resources is devoted to it). The WiiU is 'underpowered' is a relative term. When compared to ps4 and xbox1 the WiiU is underpowered. But the WiiU is certainly more powerful than the ps3 and xbox360.

ABizzel13816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

@higgins78

While I agree Xenoblade looks great, especially knowing it running on Wii U hardware (but as we've seen with Tomb Raider on 360, last-gen hardware still make good looking games), it's not really a fair comparison with Just Cause. They're not to far from each other in overall graphics, with Just Cause getting an edge over Xenoblade. If we scale from Just Cause as a 10/10 in graphics Xenoblade would be a high 8. The grasslands look great, the city not so much. But the processing power for Just Cause goes to plenty of other areas that are void in Xenoblade or to a much lesser degree.

*Just Cause 3 has tons of destruction
*Dynamic lighting and shadows
*HD / HQ textures...everywhere
*Demanding physics
*High Smoke / Particle affects
*Plenty of Cities / Villages (which have their own geometry / lighting / etc...)
*Much better draw distance
*Much more forgiving pop-in
*Much better foliage models (although Xeno has more grass)
*And just so much more...

So that's what the Wii U would have struggled with, but still they could have at least set everything to low settings 720p and aimed for 30fps and Just Cause 3 could have possibly made it on the console. But the problem is publishers just don't think western games sell on Nintendo Hardware...which unfortunately has been the case for many AAA games.

Just Cause 3 on PS4
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Just look through that video and skip around, and it really shows Just Cause 3 does look good. It's only weak point IMO are the AI character models (excluding the main characters), considering it's not designed to be a graphics showcase, but a big open word, go anywhere, do anything type game.

higgins783816d ago

Yes, JC3 looks good in that video - make no mistake. My concern however - based on what I've heard, read and seen myself - it runs poorly and plays a very generic and shallow game. Looks good in stills and carefully orchestrated showings however...

ABizzel13816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

@higgins78

I've looked around at a lot of footage, simply because I know I'll get the Pc version eventually due to mods, but I've seen plenty of PS4 footage as well.

And there are framerate issues on console during big battles and big explosion. Unfortunately that's what this game is all about, but even then it's not an awful sub 20 drop on PS4 and most of the time it's running at a 30fps when simply traversing the map, so I can't debate you on framerate.

Being generic and shallow is debatable. I get why you think that, because it's not a game like GTA or the Witcher which have story and characters that serves a purpose. And in that regard I agree with you, and I don't feel like it's a $60 game at all.

But there is definitely fun to be had with it, and it's easily recommended at $30 - $40 (ESPECIALLY on PC with mods), maybe $30 or less on console for most people.

It's like "Rampage, Hulk Ultimate Destruction, Mercenaries," and even Crackdown / GTA / Saint's Row in some sense. It doesn't have the story or characters or missions to stand up to games like GTA, but if you just want to simply roam around an open-world causing chaos, then there really isn't much other there that tops Just Cause (hence the name). ESPECIALLY on PC with mods.

Please watch these vids.

Become Superman, Spiderman, Iron Man.

Superman
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Spiderman
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Iron Man
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Multiplayer with hundreds of players all flying jets, tanks, hanging from helicopters, etc... killing each other, or even turning it into a chaotic racing game. What other game let's you race with midgets in limousines??? XD
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I'll be the first to say the modes like racing and multiplayer aren't flawless, or as good as a true dedicated game of that type, but the sheer fun more than makes up for it.

This is why I constantly tell people if you have a desktop, just buy a GTX 750 Ti and turn it into a capable gaming PC, so you can play these modded games. The mods add a ton of replay value that the games will never see normally and can turn a game that normally last a couple of months into a game that can last years or an entire generation.

Games with this level of mod support are just simply better on PC.

It's an okay console game 7 or 8 out of 10 for most people. But on PC with mods it's probably one of the most fun experiences you can play.

acekaze3816d ago

Your pretty much correct, I dont have a ps4 or xbox one, but i never buy multiplataform games for the Wii U because, my computer does it alot better, but then again, my computer is also the reason i dont want a ps4 or xbox one, because again, my computer does it alot better.

So for someone who has a WII u but also owns one of the other consoles, it truly makes no sense to buy multiplats when they know its better on ps4 or xbox one.

MasterCornholio3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

I wouldnt say this game looks better than JC3.

Compared to next gen systems the Wii U is underpowered. However with the right level of optimizations they can achieve some pretty nice results on it.

"That means a 1280x720 rendering resolution with a helping of post-process anti-aliasing and trilinear texture filtering. It's not the game's strong suit, but in general, it works well enough and doesn't significantly detract from the game's more natural locales."

Also the fact that it runs in 720P helps a lot.

While it doesnt look like a current gen title to me the game is still excellent.

NickieNick3816d ago

This doesn't even look better than JC2...

superchiller3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

"WHY is the Wii U 'underpowered'?"

- Weak CPU
- Weak GPU
- Only 2gb of RAM (with only a measly 1gb available for games)
- Tiny 32gb of internal flash memory (with only 25gb usable on day 1)
- Slow USB 2.0 ports, when USB 3.0 has been out for over 7 years and is 10x faster
- No internal HDD (or even a bay for one)
- No ethernet port
- No bluray or DVD support
- Poor battery life on the Wii U gamepad (they even had space for a larger battery, but cheaped out on a smaller one)
- No analog triggers on any controllers

The list goes on. The Wii U is categorized as "underpowered" because, it actually is hugely lacking in every area, even compared to last generation consoles.

rjason123816d ago

No internal hdd, and no bluray/DVD support does not make a console underpowered.

higgins783816d ago

Nice list. Now we have that out of the way, can I point you in the direction of its best games, those which look AND run beautifully. So, bullet-points aside, real world terms shows games which look, run and play beautifully...and this is 'underpowered'!? It's like - for a group of people at least - a console and/or game can only be 'next gen' if (performance wise) it buckles. Sad.

NickieNick3816d ago

Wait, what? The WiiU doesn't play DVD's?

superchiller3816d ago

@ NickieNick - That's correct. Wii U can't play Blurays OR DVDs, because Nintendo was too cheap to pay the licensing fees to allow the console to do that. Those are just a few of many areas that corners were cut on the base console, just to accommodate the high cost of the gamepad gimmick (and to keep Nintendo's profits as high as possible).

Nintendo doesn't care about offering a competitive, feature-rich product; they really only care about their bottom line. Any way they can squeeze additional profits out of their hardware, they will, even at the expense of their customers.

rjason123816d ago

Just like how game developers make you spend 20-60+ on dlc (especially day 1 dlc) we are at the point where most people have a bluray/dvd player anyway (it's not like ps2 days).

Segata3816d ago

My PS4 is under powered next to my 3 year old PC. Your point?

Ck1x3816d ago

Please stop trying to argue technical terms... If you are listing points that may make the console seem less appealing, then say that. But you come across as very ill informed about technology saying this stuff makes the console weak! The Dualshock 4 has very poor battery life, does that suddenly make the system weaker?

marloc_x3816d ago

"Its scope and sheer technological ambition exceeds expectations."

Absolutely excellent job Monolith Soft!

I COMPLETELY understand why the Sony camp wants Nintendo on board 😃

marloc_x3816d ago

I cannot FATHOM what Nintendo games will be created on their next genation of machine..

"it's hard not to be impressed by what has been achieved on Nintendo's home console."
-Digital Foundry

Neonridr3816d ago

at least I can plug in an external HD to my Wii U. Can my PS4 do that?

oh wait..

why do I need a DVD player in my Wii U? Who plays DVD's anymore? I have a bluray player thank you very much, I don't need another one in my console driving the prices up.

MrBrofist3814d ago

Who the hell cares about DVDs and Bluray these days?

Netflix and Hulu have taken over and the Wii U supports those.

Everyone and their grandma has a DVD/Blueray players in their home. Why pay more for something you already have or don't need?

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Dario_DC3816d ago

How can anyone say this game looks as good as Just Cause 3???? I've never seen such ugly characters outside of the PS2, the pop-in is horrid, eye hurting aliasing, collision detection is gone, huge open world with nothing but grass 90% of the time, basically no physics to speak of, ugly textures, low polygon count in everything, etc... (I could be here all day!)
Besides the art-style there's nothing special in terms of graphics! Just Cause 3 is way superior!
If this game was on the Xbox One or the PS4 everyone would be bashing the way it looks! The Wii U is a CURRENT GEN console and needs to be treated the same way, no free passes because it's hardware is trash.

NickieNick3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

I'm with you 100%. It's a game with very underwhelming graphics and a good art style.

acekaze3816d ago

Wow Dario_DC, you just described what most pc gamers think that its wrong with console gaming =P.

marloc_x3816d ago

Er..we are all in the "current gen".

NickieNick3816d ago (Edited 3816d ago )

Because this game looks worse than the best games on the 360/ps3, much less Just Cause 3...

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ABizzel13816d ago

3:05

"This scene makes a really strong impression doesn't it.

*song plays*

Ewwww, Ewwww, Ehhhhhh,
Ewwww, Ewwww, Ehhhhhh,
Ewwww, Ewwww, Ehhhhhh,
Ahhhh, Uhhhh, Ewwww, Ehhhhh,"

lol, I don't know why that was so funny to me.

Compromises had to be made (collision detection, pop-in, and lack of dynamic shadows) to get this running on Wii U, but when the game has a rock solid 30fps framerate with very minor almost insignificant dips, and looks as good as it does I think we can give this one a solid A for technical performance especially in an open world game of this scale...on Wii U hardware.

Many so called AAA developers could learn from this.

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Xenoblade Chronicles X Switch 2 vs Switch Comparison Highlights Resolution and FPS Improvements

Xenoblade Chronicles X on Switch 2 adds 60fps gameplay and up to 4K resolution through a $4.99 upgrade pack now available digitally.

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repsahj82d ago

Playing it right now! It is awesome! Good thing I held myself back from buying this last year. Now I can't wait for XC2 and XC3 to have the same enhancements and upgrade.

repsahj81d ago (Edited 81d ago )

And yes, even XC1. But I haven't tried and owed it yet.

Vits81d ago (Edited 81d ago )

Honestly, it’s kind of bizarre how rough native Switch players had it with this game for years. Aside from the original Wii U release, Xenoblade has pretty much been a series that felt better on emulators than on the actual hardware, mainly because of the blurry image quality and unstable frame rates.

It’s good to finally see an official version of the game that doesn’t look terrible and apparently is stable.

ABizzel181d ago

This is exactly why hardware matters to a decent extent.

It effectively took a 900p@30fps, maxed it to 1080p, then used DLSS to upscale it 4x in resolution to render at 4K, while also doubling frame rate.

Darkseeker80d ago

I am waiting for a physical copy.

repsahj80d ago

Nice! Almost 2 months waiting is not that long.

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A bunch of first-party Nintendo Switch games are now on sale

Nintendo has put eight different Switch games on sale, including Super Mario RPG, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Zelda: Link's Awakening, and more.

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Unconfirmed Xenoblade Chronicles X PC release bizarrely listed on Microsoft Game Assist titles

A Xenoblade Chronicles PC port has been listed by Microsoft as an officially supported Microsoft Game Assist title.

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Goodguy01345d ago

Hmmm interesting. Hopefully true, liking the slowly but surely partnership between the big 3. Just imagine all the xenoblade games officially on pc. I think mcsft going 3rd party but still making consoles fits them.

Kneetos345d ago

Xenoblade chronicles X is not there

Either removed or the picture shown was edited, but it is currently not there

NettosGameRoom344d ago

You can still view it using the internet archive!

TheColbertinator344d ago

This is good. Real good if Nintendo is smart to capitalize.

jznrpg344d ago

I would bet a lot of money it’s not happening

GotGame81886d ago

I don't see this happening. Nintendo has said the "Only place to play a Nintendo game, will be on a Nintendo console!". Yes I know people are using emulators, but that isn't what Nintendo intended.

MAYBE, if Nintendo does decide to port X over, it's because it is an Xenoblade game that is stand alone.

X, is my favorite Xenoblade game in the Series, because of Skells" flying your Skell and battling with them feels great!