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Analysis: PS2 Emulation on PS4, PS Now and Xbox One Backwards Compatibility

SegmentNext - The biggest bang at E3 back in June was Microsoft’s announcement of Backwards Compatibility for Xbox One. The feature rolled out on November 12 and is currently being used by Xbox One gamers.

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MultiConsoleGamer3835d ago

There is one major question that comes to mind when I think about PS2 emulation on the PS4. What about PS Now? Sony made a HALF BILLION dollar investment in Gakai, and they did it at a time when the company wasn't exactly profitable. It was a serious gamble. If they suddenly decide to make the PS4 compatible with PS2 games they have greatly diminished the value of their hefty investment in Gakai. It's only common sense. The PS Now service hasn't exactly taken off. That's the only reason I can think for this change of heart. (That and a need to counter moves by Xbox / Microsoft.)

But still, a half billion down the drain. PS Now has the potential to be massively profitable, if only it can get past a few major technical hurdles.

GribbleGrunger3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

PSNow was never about BC and has very little to do with people who already own a PS console. PSNow is about untethering the PS brand from PS branded hardware and offering it to people who wouldn't ordinarily buy a console. Sony just used the consoles to help launch and promote the service. Once it's available on lots of different internet enabled devices, the picture will become clearer.

MultiConsoleGamer3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

"PSNow was never about BC and has very little to do with people who already own a PS console."

Neither of these statements are true.

"PSNow is about untethering the PS brand PS branded hardware."

But this one is.

Everyone knows the eventual goal of Sony is to bring PS Now to every device possible, and to phase out hardware entirely. Definitely not in this generation, but eventually. I honestly look forward to the console-free future. No more lengthy day one patches, no more stockpiling games, and best of all, no more console wars.

It will be glorious.

GribbleGrunger3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

It's interesting that you acknowledge the end game but don't see the transitional period clearly. You're not thinking here. You call my statement about untethering the PS brand from consoles wrong and then go on to say there will eventually be no more console (just run that by yourself a few times).

... I wonder how Sony could accomplish that?

' Once it's available on lots of different internet enabled devices, the picture will become clearer.'

MultiConsoleGamer3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

"You call my statement about untethering the PS brand from consoles wrong."

No, GG. That was the part I agreed with. It was the stuff about it not being about BC, and not targeting traditional PS owners that was wrong.

freshslicepizza3835d ago

why is psnow not available on the pc then?

johndoe112113835d ago

@moldy

Sony has clearly stated that they will be bringing psnow to pc. But I'm pretty sure you won't remember that with your history of selective memory concerning Sony.

freshslicepizza3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

@johndoe11211
"Sony has clearly stated that they will be bringing psnow to pc. But I'm pretty sure you won't remember that with your history of selective memory concerning Sony."

well it's easy to forget with so many delays with games shown years in advance at events like e3, services ps4 owners are still waiting on and promises. they also said ps4 games were coming to the service as well. any idea when that will happen?

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madmonkey013835d ago

console owners are not the target audiance for ps now, its aimed at casuals, hence being built into tvs an app. and not require a console to use.

vanity293835d ago

Ps2/3 games on my phone doe ayyye the future is looking great.

nitus103834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

For simple games that can make use of a touch screen I would agree with you, however many PlayStation games require more complex input.

Just taking the Dual Shock 3 as an example. This input device has effectively two analog stick which actually double as buttons (ie. L3 and R3), next we have four shoulder buttons/triggers (ie. L1, L2, R1, R2) that are pressure sensitive. In addition we have a "D Pad" and four standard buttons which are also pressure sensitive. lastly we have a "select" and "start" button. Inbuilt into the DS3 is a six axis sensor as well as rumble.

The Dual Shock 4 is even more complex having a speaker jack and a touchpad.

So taking into account the functionality and ease of use of a DualShock or even an XBox controller and lets not mention PC peripherals which have even more functions only then will we see more sophisticated games being available for your mobile phone.

Actually to get a console game running on your mobile phone that game has to be ported or a really good emulator is made available and I don't for see that happening for quite some time.

vanity293834d ago

Im not talking about emulation, thatll take many years. Ps now can stream to phones and tvs already and you just need a ds4

ninsigma3835d ago

PsNow and BC are not connected in any way what so ever. Psnow is about expanding ps brand in a platform independent fashion. The limited release we've seen is only the beginning of the rollout and a testing of the waters with last gen games. Eventually their new games will be on psnow (probably not this gen) and we'll be paying a subscription fee to play playstation games through any number of devices. While yes they are using old games for the service now, it's about looking forward, not back.

mhunterjr3835d ago

Gaikai requisition isn't down the drain.

It powers their game sharing service and psnow, which is still in its infancy...

Psnow would never work as a replacement for BC it's too costly for Sony and for consumers. They know this.

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Spotie3835d ago

It can't be BC if it's not BC. And it's not BC because it's not even limited to Playstation.

How could the service be an app on a Samsung TV, yet be BC on the PS4, yet still be available on the PS3?

Look at it another way. Netflix is a service. The ABILITY to use Netflix is a feature. PSNow is a service. The ABILITY to use it is a feature. BC is a feature.

ninsigma3835d ago

So much sense in your post I almost can't comprehend xD
You explained it better than I ever could. Well put :)

uth113835d ago

There were never PS2 games on PS now, and Sony announced way back they were working on emulation for ps1 and ps2.

PS now isn't merely a bc solution. Right now it only ps3, but it could host PS4 games for people who don't own the console. It could even host games that no console could play today. Just a question of when Sony will leverage that

Aenea3835d ago

How can people claim that PS Now is a failure or as in your case hasn't taken off when it's not even available everywhere?

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weirdo3835d ago

i'd rather emulate using pcsx2 (the games i actually own on disc)

skydragoonityx3835d ago

I don't know what your all on about, but I'm happy about the ps2 emulation!!.. Oh jack & daxter...

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Wild Arms 3 for PS4 launches May 17 in North America

Wild Arms 3 will launch for PlayStation 4 via PS2 emulation in North America on May 17, the latest PlayStation Blogcast reveals.

Snookies123661d ago (Edited 3661d ago )

Wish it was a remaster or something at least... Still, one of my favorite RPGs out there, so I'll most likely buy it anyway just to show support.

DigitalRaptor3661d ago (Edited 3661d ago )

The most exciting thing about seeing these games being gradually announced, is that it pretty much confirms that Primal, Siren and Ape Escape 3 are also coming to PS4. From this ESRB rating: http://n4g.com/news/1840395...

Love me some Ape Escape.

fenome3660d ago

Right on, I'll buy it. Hopefully they make a new one.

Fist4achin3660d ago

I haven't tried any of the Wild Arms series. Is it any good? It has always looked appealing.

Feriku3660d ago

Wild Arms 3 is one of my favorite JRPGs ever. I think it's fantastic.

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Sony’s PS2 Emulation Fiasco

Katie Joell from Gamerscore Whores writes "Sony’s trojan horse to make money from their fanbase continues with their flip on PS2 emulation. Fans expected for Sony’s PS2 backwards compatibility for PS4 to work with previous digital purchases and physical retail copies. Instead Sony have shafted their fans in a move to make more money."

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DARKKENT3820d ago

I don't agree with what sony are doing, I'm actually disgusted but this video seems very fanboyish.

All i wanna know is Why is it that the company winning in sales ALWAYS gets arrogant and makes dumb anti consumer moves

Cdn_Seahawks_Fan3820d ago

IT's not that they become arrogant, it's just that they are at a stage where they are comfortable with what they've done to get the user base to where it is, and then they look at ways to make the money they need to from them. It's just business as they do what they can to make their money and satisfy their shareholders.

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3819d ago (Edited 3819d ago )

To those who are complaining about Sony not implementing true backwards compatibility, start a petition and watch it go no where.

This entire episode has been instigated by fanboys and clickbait journalists. When the PS4 was released in November 2013 it wasn't backwards compatible and everyone that has purchased a PS4 then and now, knew exactly what they were getting.

As for the complaints about PS Now, remasters, and the digital PS2 games, as with any other product sold on planet Earth you have the option not to buy it.

Good day.

medman3819d ago

I love my ps4, but if you say you're "For the players", then you have to be all in for the players. They missed an opportunity here. I don't think it will be super damaging from a hardware sales standpoint, and I even think many people will re-buy some titles so it may even work out for them financially. But I think the problem is public perception. Gamers are really going to start wondering is Sony now going to take advantage of their hardware dominance and nickel and dime us for every last cent.

I'm waiting to see what they're going to charge for playstation vr. They have to get that right for the consumer. If they don't price it reasonably, for the majority of gamers it will seem like Sony is maybe losing the plot a bit. Don't forget what got you the lead, Sony. Give gamers what they want.

DARKKENT3820d ago (Edited 3820d ago )

@seahawk i agree with some of what you said but i also think because PlayStation brings in their most revenue they've turned into greedy arrogant ba**ards trying to charge for anything they can even if it clearly should be free.. This gen they seem to care more about revenue than their actual fans, of course revenues important but so is fan service ask Microsoft, after their reveal fan service f**ked up their revenue ... i prefer the ps3 era sony

Coming from ps3 to ps4 I've put up with online costs, psnow costs.. Holidays without a first party exclusive... Now they wanna charge 12 pounds for a ps2 game... Now please note everything I've just said was opposite for the ps3... EVERYTHING

This isn't the sony i knew which is why i have had to buy a xbox one (and will catch up on 360 games thanks to BC) which again is alien to me because last gen as i was ps3 only.

DarXyde3820d ago (Edited 3820d ago )

Well actually, Sony has gone a while without big releases for PS3. That's what perpetuated the whole "PS3 has no games" jabs from opposing camps.

As for charging $10-$15 per PS2 game, I think it's an issue because people are treating this as their solution to BC. It's not. In fact, Sony never claimed it was. I distinctly recall them saying they were working on bringing PS2 games to PS4. I was really upset about it at first myself...Then I calmed down and assessed their approach. It's much like their approach with PS3. PS2 games with upscaling and trophy support? Sounds exactly like an HD remaster.

If you're upset regarding the absence of BC, I completely understand, but I think the lion's share of the animosity people are feeling comes from the misunderstanding that PS2 emulation is NOT their answer to BC. There may never be one. Point being, if you were okay with HD collections on PS3, this is no different and extends the offers to PS4.

DARKKENT3820d ago

@darxyde the ps3 has no games argument came from uneducated fanboys much like this gen fanboys saying much the same thing about ps4... Uneducated

And ps3 never went a holiday without a first party release in its heyday..

As for ps2 emulation.. They have it up and running like they did on ps3..they don't need to charge for it, remasters usually have frame rate upgrades etc this is just an up scaled ps2 emulation.. Ps2 games on my ps3 also showed noticible image differences.. That was free.

The revenue sony are now making from online seems to be like a domino effect it's like they said.. Wow we missed out on all this revenue last gen from online while Ms charged let's see what else we nickle and dime gamers for...

I'm soo disappointed in sonys greed this gen

kreate3820d ago

Microsoft got greedy, we pwned them.

Sony getting greedy, we should pwn them too.

put all of these bastards in their rightful place.

SegaSaturn6693820d ago

I wish they would have destroyed the rumors of ps2 backward compatibility right away instead of letting them become cultivated and having people feel let down.

KiwiViper853820d ago

They did cut down the rumours. Plenty of times, even Yoshida came out and said BC isn't happening.

Some people just believe what they want to believe.

the_dark_one3820d ago

indeed its true, and what sony is doing is more then just BC, they are improving the quality of the game both Frame rate and image, remote play, trophies, this takes work from people, so is only fair to be paid for it. now the price could been 10dollars i think it would be much better but i guess you get what you pay for

Blaze9293820d ago (Edited 3820d ago )

Sony being Sony. They could have easily explained what this truly was ahead of time.

Corpser3820d ago

People really are buying these old GTAs for $15 when they are like $2 on steam sales?

Malice-Flare3820d ago

they never flipped on BC. they never offered BC. all they said was they were working on PS2 emulation. perhaps they should have nipped that rumor in the bud, but i'm not going to hold a grudge when their initial trailer perfectly stated: "PS2 game discs & PS2 Classics are not compatible with PS4," and people still kept running with it. this isn't a product for people wanting BC and so is PS Now...

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An in-depth look at PS2 emulation on the PS4

PS2 games finally come to the PS4... at a price. Is the high cost of entry worth it? How do the games look? Find out inside!

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breakpad3821d ago

for no fing reason i m buying digital Ps2 games that i already own ...damn Sony develop a proper disc based emulator and not this digital thievery

Alucardx033821d ago

I think it's pretty crazy that the PS2 Classics, purchased on the PS3, don't transfer over here. That's a pretty big insult to those that plopped down money last generation.

blackblades3821d ago

If they did that then there weren't be any triphies or ps4 features.

Yetter3820d ago

why not? put in the disc and it downloads the game for you from PSN. Thats how XB does it

thelaughingwiseman3821d ago

To me, it's not worth it. Too pricey, transactions don't cross over from my PS3. I just hope that Sony doesn't hinder me from playing games I acquired from the store when they shut down the PSN for PS3.

Alucardx033821d ago

Yeah, that's my biggest barrier to digital distribution. I'm very worried my games will disappear into the ether in the next ten years, though the convenience outweighs the risks for me. I'm not understanding Sony's pricing structure on these games either.

Eyesoftheraven3820d ago

I'm sure a ton of work went into getting this emulation to work so well. Regardless $5 - $12 per game would feel much better. Seriously hope Metal Gear, Socom, Killzone, ICO, etc., make it.

eyeDEVOUR3820d ago

Socon2 would be epic for me and alot of people!! Just hope the online portion would be there, but id still pay $10 to play the campaign.

Vitalogy3820d ago

"I'm sure a ton of work went into getting this emulation to work so well."

Please don't try to find them excuses, I'm pretty sure they had this well planned for a long time now and wasn't that hard for them. They just waited for the "right" time (a.k.a. introduction of BC on microsoft)

Eyesoftheraven3820d ago

Just not taking it for granted. My only issue with the service is the pricing.