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Fallout 4: Next-gen or not?

Digital Foundry:
Much has been said of Fallout 4's graphics prior to its launch. Perhaps the most widely-leveled criticism is that it doesn't look like a 'next-gen' title in every aspect, but part of a line of games born from last-gen development. No doubt, Bethesda is in its element with the sheer scale of its world building - and certain leaps are made on a visual level. But questions were raised ahead of release; is this a true technical successor to Fallout 3? And has the Creation Engine evolved enough to a point where this could only be achieved on current-gen hardware?

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ginsunuva3835d ago

Everything else is just stuff that Fallout 3/NV and TES 4/5 already did.

Aloy-Boyfriend3835d ago

Then many others aren't Next Gen either.

DarthZoolu3835d ago

Graphics are fine to me. But TES3 started this and it's time less. These style games aren't next Gen they are Forever gen.

BallsEye3835d ago

Wouldn't say so. In terms of pure possibilities and interaction, even Morrowind and Oblivion were "bigger" than Fallout. I'm a huge fan of Bethesda games and Fallout series, but they're dumbing down their games on every next release, to improve on overall presentation (because that's what kids dig these days)

1nsomniac3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

Please explain a single thing that is next-gen about this game?

I'm only a few hours in but I'm yet to see, hear or find anything at all.

The graphics, dialogue, AI, animation, story branching everything I find sub par & not just marginally. More than shocked by the review scores it's been getting.

More than anything im sick & tired of having to restart the game due to my gun & pip-boy constantly going invisible. The fact that this is almost entirely ignored in every review I read despite the fact it happends so regularly & consistently.

thekhurg3834d ago

Gameplay isn't next-gen either.
Animations aren't next-gen.

It's the same gameplay experience we've been getting since morrowind.

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Vegamyster3835d ago

If you compare it to Fallout3/NewVegas/Skyrim it definitely looks a lot better and runs at a higher res, really the only thing in it that looks very dated are the character models and the odd blurry texture.

http://i.imgur.com/OrKZXVM....

http://i.imgur.com/bP5hZyV....

madworld3835d ago

agree with you 100% man the graphics the worst thing in this game but everything else is damn goooooooooooooooooood.

FunkMacNasty3835d ago

Graphically, fallout 4 is not the best looking game, but if you played FO3 and New Vegas, you would realize that textures, lighting and overall detail are MUCH improved in fallout 4.

Whatever "looking next gen" is supposed to mean, I think fallout 4 definitley looks to be an improved visual iteration in the series, as a result of more powerful consoles. Compare the ruins of DC or Vegas to the ruins of Boston... Everything is much more detailed and dense in fallout 4.

showtimefolks3834d ago (Edited 3834d ago )

Graphics no

Size of open world no

Bugs and glitches and not well optimized not next Gen

Game play improved
Story side quest better
Interesting characters great

World building great

Weapons customization awesome

So in my humble opinion as a fallout fan, fallout 4 is absolutely next Gen title.

With patches and updates I think fallout 4 will improve a lot. I say the people who play fallout 4 in February or March of 2016 will get a much better and different experience

Also let's not decide what's truly makes a next Gen title. Is it only graphics? Because if that's the standard than its a shallow standard

Fallout 4 at its current state is a very good to great game that has huge room for improvement with patches

Enjoy we waited so long for a fallout game

Here is one hope though

I hope Bethesda uses a new engine for their next game. It's time

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FoxyGotGame3835d ago (Edited 3835d ago )

Next Gen or Not? ...

This entire Gen isn't "Next Gen", only Next Gen in terms of a slight improvement over the current PS3/360.

Let's keep it real /

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ABizzel13835d ago

And that's one of the trade-offs for having multiple consoles on the market.

If the PS4/XBO had just $100 worth of tech added to their price (instead of adding the cameras, which the PS4 would have likely added at that price), they could have had MUCH better CPUs (a big one), and a boost to their GPUs bringing it much closer to the R9 M290x (40% more RAW power than PS4) the PS4 is based off of (the XBO is based on the M280x, but could be better).

But they have to compete and price is one of the most important area where they compete with one another, and that instantly means hardware takes the first hit. It also didn't help that hardware is just now taking a huge leap technologically, with a new manufacturing fabrication expected 2016 and another around 2019.

The PS5 and XB4 should be much stronger consoles, but if developers try to push 4k gaming hard, then it's not going to show in-game. Thankfully there will be a huge variety of resolutions available for those consoles from 1440p - 4k.

Audiggity3835d ago

The issue is definitely the hardware taking the hit... but the underlying issue is greed. Both Sony and MS apparently lost money on the hardware sales of XB360 and PS3. This generation was such a small leap forward that they never took losses on the hardware from day 1.

So, previous gen they overspend on the hardware, take a loss and put their best foot forward.

This gen, they underspend on the hardware to save their profit margin, and take a mediocre step forward.

A dash of collusion inside of a crappy economy are surely to blame.

They should just release the new systems at the price-point needed to take a true leap forward. We'll need to hit 4K unfortunately. When it comes to the vast majority of TV displays it's either 1080P or 4K.

1440p WQHD is essentially reserved for PC monitors.

ABizzel13835d ago

@Audiggity

Agreed, but it is a business, and everyone's in business to not only provide a potentially great product, but to also make money, so I can't knock them for it.

Yes TV's for 1080p or 4k, but that doesn't mean a game has to be natively rendered at those resolutions and only those resolutions, which is why I say the range will be much better to work with next-gen.

I feel next-gen will be a tad closer to PS360, than PS4 / XBO. This is a transitional generation to the fullest. Simply here because the technology wasn't ready for a leap, and both companies wanted to make a nice profit before spending big on actual next-gen hardware.

dmeador3835d ago

Wrong on a few levels.

If you think that having less competition would have lead to a better product, you need to revisit econ 101.

Hardware "just now" taking a huge leap? Things are always improving and have been at about the same clip for decades. If you're always waiting another year until product x comes out, you'll be in that cycle forever. It had already been a very long time from a tech perspective since new system launch

ABizzel13835d ago

@dmeador

"If you think that having less competition would have lead to a better product, you need to revisit econ 101."

That logic NEVER works in the consumer technology field, because if a product does not grow and evolve it will spawn competition to take away market share. There is never any room for a product to sit idly by when technology is so accessibly especially on the consumer level.

However, if there was just one console it no longer has to worry about the "Must be $399 at launch clause or else I price myself out of the race, and have to take a loss and struggle for an entire generation." I've said this often I'm all for a 1 or 2 console future where Sony makes the hardware and MS make the software (OS / online). There's no need for both PS and Xbox to exists when they share 90% of the same library and cater to the same audiences. It does nothing but unnecessarily split the core market up, and hit Multi-console owners with a $1,000 expense each generation.

As far as hardware goes, we're just now hitting a new fabrication in PC components that's not launching until 2016, and it's successor is scheduled to launch in 2019.

The last 3 years of GPUs from AMD have been all about squeezing every last drop of performance they can from the 28nm processor, and we've been on the 40 / 32 / 28 line for the last 6 years.

The jump to Volta and Pascal are expected to be HUGE generational gains with each launch in GPU technology, which HUGE can only be described when looking at multiple generations of GPUs such as a Fermi vs Maxwell.

nitus103834d ago

Most HDTV's have an aspect ratio of 16:9 so 720p is 1024x720 pixels, 1080p is 1920x1080 pixels (known as FHD), 2160p is 3840x2160 pixels (known as 4k UHD) and 4320p is 7680×4320 pixels (known as 8k UHD).

Actually it is a bit more complex than what I have just said but for most TV's that will do. Once you change the aspect ratio from 16:9 the horizontal pixel count changes.

Basically 1440p is reserved for monitors.

As far as 4k native games go there are hardly any since only a very few high end graphics cards support that resolution. So what you see on your 4k UHD TV is basically up-scaled.

What is going to be interesting is next year (2016) 8k UHD TV's will appear on the market so for those people who are still thinking about getting a 4k UHD TV a six month wait for an 8k UHD probably wont kill you although your wallet may not like you.

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s45gr323835d ago

I agree its the PC that demonstrates true next generation gaming. Visually, content wise, innovation, and affordable gaming.

someOnecalled3835d ago

Especially since pc been doing these next gen gfx for the longest. The best looking gfx on consoles tend to be very limited and scripted.

Remember last gen people was tryna say uncharted 2 looked better than the witcher 2 to try to combat pc games. The downplayed every pc exclusive and pc version that looked better just to pay for the definitive version later to say this looks amazing lol. A little too late the bar moved plus we mostly worry about gameplay that's why most of the innovative gameplay experience s start on pc then is copy to consoles. A lot of gameplay is taken from indies and people act like these huge devs created them outta thin air

DARK WITNESS3834d ago

Overall I have to say I agree

most games so far have really left me unimpressed with what is suppose to be "next gen"...

the thing is those games can't even use the excuse that it's because of gameplay or world size etc..that they don't push any boundries.

I can't even begin to express how disappointed I have been with Halo 5's visuals.

Batman was antoher, I mean I keep thinking there must be something wrong with my eyes. everyone else seems to think they look so amazing.. I think they look marginally better, in some cases not by that much considering these machines should be what...5x more powerful.

I don't feel like that power has showed yet. the only games that have been graphically insane, have been the most boring linear, basic in every other department type games.

Bass_fisherman3834d ago

FFXV looks like a proper current gen game

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MonkeyOne3835d ago

There's only so much you can do with consoles that have the gaming power of a mid-ranged gaming laptop.

1.6 / 1.75 GHZ CPU's can only do so much.

The minimum speed of most PC CPU's is 3.4 GHZ

It matters

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Roccetarius3835d ago

Unfortunately, this is what happens when companies choose the lower end. This is going to be repeated with the next consoles as well.

nitus103834d ago

Basically the HDTV market is predominately 1080p Full HD so it makes perfect business sense to target that demographic.

4k UHD TV's are becoming more and more popular and they will upscale 1080p content however as I have said they are far more 1080p FHD TV's out there.

8k UHD will be out about mid 2016 and may only be anything from 10% to 30% (anybody know?) more than their equivalent 4k UHD TV's. If the price differential between 4k and 8k is small then effectively 4k UHD will die.

Somehow I don't foresee 16k UHD TV's in my lifetime but you never know.

LostDjinn3835d ago

Next-gen?
I thought the game released on current gen consoles and pc (only). No last-gen, no next-gen, no...#%?*ing idea what DF are even trying to achieve.

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jznrpg183d ago

They need to look at Morrowind and see what the progression should have been from there instead of the regression we got with the next 2 games. They weren’t horrible games but they could have been so much more.

-Foxtrot183d ago

Fallout 4 just felt too streamlined and accessible to me, the perk system was not as fun as it was in Fallout 3, not saying Fallout 3 didn't have issues but 4 just felt like a complete step back.

mastershredder183d ago

So the part where you just sold the same games for the last 10 years while you focused on 76 and merch, was not a reset from the "creative" aspect eh? How very Todd of you.

lukasmain183d ago

I bought Fallout 4 (I loved Fallout 3) at launch and I couldn't bring myself to finish it or even get close to finishing it. It was soooo damned boring and bland. I played on a very hard difficulty and I had hundreds of stimpaks. One of the only games I've played for a while and not ended up finishing it. I hated it. Just flat out hated it.

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