"It's a glaring hitch downward, and matching runs to the gates of Diamond City shows Xbox One dropping to a record 0fps (zero)"

Yikes!! Zero FPS?? thats a new world record.

Why didn't Bethesda just downgrade the resolution to 720p instead of sacrificing FPS?? Whyyyy Bethesda, why???

Are they kidding me with this perfromance? I mean I know it's year '15, but that doesn't mean my framerate also needs to be 15.

Instead of turning it into console wars, maybe we could just focus on the fact that both versions run like shit huh?

Some drops on the X1 version are painful, I'm sure it will get fixed with a patch though.

Xbox 0ne version looks horrible. 0 FPS

So they suspected the hitches in the XB1 version were caused when streaming stuff from the HDD.

I wonder if those of us like myself that use an External HDD that is noticeably faster will see an improvement there?

I'm surprised they didn't test that themselves, even if only to be able to pin down if that was really the source of the issues.

Im just happy its 1080p on X1 lol, You PS4 guys should have a steadier frame rate being that everything else matches

SIGH****

More mindless fanboy dribble. Read the first few sentences, draw your PS4 fanboy conclusions, and don't read the rest of the article. Here, this is the *other* part you're failing to mention in the comparison:

"It's a clear result across city areas, but surprisingly PS4 has a shortcoming elsewhere. While most battles produce a similar overall frame-rate, shootouts involving heavy transparency effects can affect PS4 more negatively than we'd expect. In extreme cases, such as on approaching an early Deathclaw enemy in Concord town, PS4 wavers close to the 20fps line when letting rip on a minigun. Fire, smoke, and blood splatter effects collide, and on re-testing this section several times on both consoles, Xbox One consistently produces a near-unshakable 30fps. It's possible this is a side-effect of Bethesda's choice to begin engine optimisations on Xbox One - but even so, PS4's lengthy stretches at the low 20fps range are out of place, given its advantages in every other area. "

Bring on the PS4 fan girl disagrees, but I didn't write that. DF did, you just blocked it out of your biased minds while drooling to bash the X1.

Lol@ beefcurtains trying his hardest

Jokes aside, the consensus is the game hasn't been optimised as well as it could've been done on both consoles..yes the ps4 has issues but it still performs better than the x1...some people need to deal with it already

@gape.....you still here ragging on ps camp like the x1 is your bullied little brother... the ps4 is the most powerful console...pc will always reign supreme. ..I can live with that.

@Beefcurtain, did you even read what you post? The answer is right there "this is a side-effect of Bethesda's choice to begin engine optimisations on Xbox One".
That is the reason why optimization on the PS4 isn't top notch failing in places it shouldn't.
You really expected to see an optimized game from Bethesda? Ahahah lol!

@gapecanpie Comparing 0 fps with the 28 fps, mathematically, at this moment the PS4 is infinitely stronger than the Xbone. ^^

I'll say what I said in the other news before sensitive people took one of my bubbles.

This is what happens when you choose image quality over performance.

LOL @ why o why,

I wasn't trying my hardest, I copied and pasted a portion of the article, direct from DF. I got disagrees because it's not in-line with the PS4 hive mindset, but the fact is you all jumped on X1 so hard because it was the first part of the article, and then either stopped reading before the PS4 part, or chose to disregard the ps4 part.

@BG: "It's possible..." As in, it's their hypothesis, they don't know why. Which is why it's disregarded because it's non-factual. Again, another pS4 fanboy picking facts and opinions like they're a buffet...

The average frame rate for PS4 was 28, and X1 was 25... Both need a large improvement. Either way, I'm going PC (assuming is fares at least a little better when the full testing is released).

SIGH****

BeefCurtains it also goes onto say

On balance PS4"s performance profile is in better shape overall, it has nothing close to the stuttering we see on xone and a better framerate in big towns and cities as well.

Shame you didnt see fit to quote that too.

@Beefcurtains
its ironic that you claim that others are taking things out of context whereas you are most guilty of doing that. The review clearly says that overall the PS4's performance is the better of the two. Your quote is correct, but its not the big picture. OVERALL, the PS4 has the better version of Fallout 4. I just thought I mention this for the sake of rationality and fairness.

Off topic: I was looking up the metacritic scores for Fallout 4 and its doing great. But, I'm curious if anyone knows why it is that often, the PS4 version of multi-platform games are given lower scores than the xbox version, even in cases where the PS4 version is the better version. Its not the first time either, there is numerous examples of this. Anyone know why this would be?

@above

I see where you are coming from, my comments are just directed at those implying the X1 version is so terrible. It's not my intent to say it's better than, or directly equal to the Ps4 version. It was just meant to be read by those claiming the X11 version is so horribly gimped, they should stand back and re-read the facts.

Claiming the 28fps version is so much greater than the 25fps version, which looks identical, and saying that X1 owners should "eat crow", it's just non-sense. Hopefully this is a more clearly explained version of my thought process. I wasn't intending to dismiss the fact that overall the os4 version was overall in better shape, we all could have guessed that long before any reviews.

This must be Bethesda's best ever marketing strategy. First they get people super hype on F4 which I'm not sure why although the game look beautiful, but so do many others.

Then they somehow twist the poor optimization around and MS get's blamed for it! That is despite the fact that F4 runs at 1080p on Xbox One which is a huge feat, because that means the performance gap between PS4 and Xbox One is further narrowing.

In the end, I would have preferred a 900p or even lower resolution if we would have gotten a better and stable frame rate.

This resolution BS is ruining gaming and I blame it on the people that are constantly focusing on it with their weak @ss hardware!!!

If you want resolution, go PC and leave consoles alone.

Ahh it's fantastic when gamers can come together and fight over which version of their game is worse. I honestly thought with both console versions being at 1080p and the graphics not being taxing the X1 could keep up.

@beefcurtain, I actually find it easier to believe in what Digital Foundry say, than your speculations...
Having said that, Bethesda ported Skyrim to Xbox One while developing Fallout 4.
http://www.gamezone.com/new...
http://www.gameinformer.com...

You were saying?

Ps4 have frames advantage in few places but then drops a lot of frames during combat. I think both versions came out pretty bad.

Lol #gapecanpie you say that in pretty much all you comments. Go enjoy you pc you silly man

How are sigfredod and chronicpsycho trolling?

For people who have both consoles, PS4 version is the ond to buy. Also, there's a new fw update released today for the PS4.

NX Gamer does a much better job than Digital Foundry, making their analysis seem almost amateurish.

Yes, the X-box One version is worse off than the PS4 version. And the PC version will look better, play better (because of the vastly superior frame rate) than the PS4 version, and have a near limitless ceiling of longevity due to the modding community.

I just do not see how mods will function on the consoles without lowering the frame rate even further. It might be possible to put a few on there, but if you want to retexture the entire game for the Xbox One and the PS4, you can forget it.

It's funny how if you simply state the fact the PS4 version is better overall than the Xbox version you will get dozens of agrees. But if you state the fact that the PC version is better than PS4 version you get dozens of disagrees. Fanboys are so insecure.

@S2Killinit

"Off topic: I was looking up the metacritic scores for Fallout 4 and its doing great. But, I'm curious if anyone knows why it is that often, the PS4 version of multi-platform games are given lower scores than the xbox version, even in cases where the PS4 version is the better version. Its not the first time either, there is numerous examples of this. Anyone know why this would be?"

The PS4 version almost always have more reviews than The XONE version of the same game, making the metascore a bit lower.

In this case the PS4 score (at the time of writing) is 89, counting 42 reviews. And the XONE score is 91, counting only 22 reviews.

The PC score is also 89, counting 15 reviews.

0 fps on Xbox damn... They should have stick with 900p for the XBO version.

A i3 really? My pc will crush this game i only have to use one GPU then the other isnt needed.

@donthate

It is no feat getting the xbone version to 1080p, it pays the price in stuttering and choppy framerate.

The lead platform was xbone for some reason where they optimized for that then lazy ported it to the more powerful PS4 and PC.

There is no gap narrowing, it is in your mind. If it took advantage of the other systems the gap would be bigger.

I love that they showed a budget PC blowing consoles out of the water. This is actually the real story here. The PS4 is marginally more powerful compared to the Xbox One.

This is why when most PC gamers see all of the fighting between fans of Xbox One and Ps4, they just sit back and laugh. The truth is that the average gaming PC is more than twice as powerful as a PS4. Get real you guys!

Ouch, the PS4 is dropping so many frames compared to the X1 in PC comparison video. Poor PS4, all the hype...

These consoles are very under powered compared to a budget PC.

@Kribwalker: "given its advantages in every other area"

@Kribwalker

"Xbox One has a repeatable advantage in the Deathclaw battle, where effects clash heavily, but in most scenarios we get matching, or superior results on PS4."

Seems like the only scenario this happens is during a Deathclaw battle - all other battles superior or equivalent on PS4.

Don't feel bad, I just started playing it on PC and its not such a smooth experience. It definitely needs a crossfire profile, and more than likely some driver refinements. I'm playing on a PC that maxes Shadow of Mordor at 4k and stills gets 96fps average, so Fallout 4 shouldn't be giving my hardware any grief.

I would have been much happier with 900p up scaled on the X1 rather than performance issues. Perhaps its the devs, but I feel the gaming community on both sides has this insane (and false IMO) belief that if its not 1080p its bad. I have a 4k TV and the 900p X1 games look as amazing as my 1080p PS4 games. If that weren't the case we wouldn't have to wait for DF to do an analysis to know if there are differences. Performance over resolution!

@ThePope - but this game isn't a situation where the Xbox One game is suffering due to it aiming for visual parity with the PS4. The game is struggling for both systems.

Patches I am sure will clear up these issues moving forward.

I would rather unbalanced resolutio nd and best game possible. Not balancing that surely held another and possibly the games graphics back.

ps4 not pushed to limit?
look at all the textures loading in right in front of you,its terrible on both consoles.
i would rather the game drop to 900p and have better textures than how this looks,its pure ugly at times.

@christopher
So are you trying to say that the xb1 is holding the ps4 back?

***So are you trying to say that the xb1 is holding the ps4 back?***

What I said: "I think it's a given that Bethesda sacrificed a lot to deliver the basest across platforms rather than pushing either system to their potential."

What I also said: " I think both deserve a lot more than they got. I don't care if they both run 1080p30fps. They're both subpar compared to other open world games we've gotten this generation in both looks and performance."

How you interpret that: "XBO is holding back the PS4."

/confused

I agree that the Resolution Wars got out of hand and really pushed people to focus on pixel counts instead of movement. Really wish the console versions had a way to downtune the effects and resolution in favor of a smoother framerate, that would be my choice immediately.

@Christopher
We have to see what Fallout 4 is offering before we start claims of Bethesda intentionally holding their game back for anything "common".

Lets not forget that the original Fallout 3 pushed both consoles to their limits with their size and the amount of content at that time. This could also be the case for F4.

"...compared to other open world games we've gotten this generation in both looks and performance."

What other open world game so far is doing anything like Fallout 4 is claiming to do?

***What other open world game so far is doing anything like Fallout 4 is claiming to do?***

Exactly? None. Just like how F4 doesn't offer multiplayer elements or vehicles or other things that other open-world games do offer. Doing different stuff but overall managing the same elements as it relates to graphics/performance: Mad Max, GTAV, MGSV.

I don't see how "seeing what it offers" as far as gameplay will greatly affect graphical/performance potential.

And, these are the same issues Bethesda has had since forever in all of their games. It's obviously an engine issue and how they load chunk data. It's been an issue for over a decade and they just refuse to fix it.

And, let me say this: I have the CE of this coming tomorrow. But, it's obvious that Bethesda is just not really updating their engine at a level that they should to solve old issues, but instead keep it at a level where they keep running into the same issues on better hardware.

"I don't see how "seeing what it offers" as far as gameplay will greatly affect graphical/performance potential."

It may have a wider variety of locations, buildings that you can actually go inside, more gunplay elements, NPC's, anything that F4 may be doing behind the scenes could be greatly affecting the graphical/performance potential.

I don't think Bethesda could push either console to their potential especially when the game has been in development for what I believe I read 5 years or more. More than likely Bethesda didn't have the specs on either of these machines to do so.

Not to mention this is a third party multiplat game. No third party is going to spend an extra amount of time maximizing the same game for each console, no matter what their spokesperson may tell the gaming press.

Regardless this game looks fantastic, a few dips for a second or two I can live with.

Pfft... Whatever. Read the whole article. PS4 struggles in numerous areas. You suggest the X1 version held back he Ps4 version, when the Ps4 version couldn't even maintain constant 30fps and had its own issues. Sure, bump up the graphics on the ps4 version and play it at 15fps then, have fun.

You blame the optimization, but the answer is right in front of you. Neither console is up to par with low level gaming PC's. Ps4 is more powerful than X1, yep, but in the grand scheme of available hardware, both are underpowered and Bethesda did what they could with the machines.

So NO, X1 didn't hold back ps4. They both held back PC.

@BeefCurtains

It has been reported that the game was optimized on the xbone as the lead platform. It was then ported to PS4 and PC with no optimizations for those platforms. So what we get is what the xbone can do at 1080p which is less than the others. The game needs to be optimized for the PS4 architecture where the better GPU can take more load off of the CPU.