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If all games were 1080/60 most gamers would get some form of motion sickness, some feature(s) would be sacrificed, and/or less games would be released. I'm glad 30 fps is standard so the majority can at least enjoy their game of choice with minimal impact.

Now the option of setting fps would be welcoming, and over time that might come into practice. Halo 5 comes to mind with the "we have 60 but had to sacrifice split screen."

Though people happily gave up on their silky 60FPS games when 3D games became a thing in PS1 era where 3D games ran pretty much always at 30 (25 PAL).

60 became almost a standard on PS2 with quite a few games but that again almost went out of the window with PS3 games.

Im sure that when the first consoles capable of doing 2k or 4k are out, we will see a similar surge of 30 FPS games.

Money money money, they want to make more money with cheaper hardware, well guess what there is a drawback and not for them :)

might be what many call "underpowered " but im enjoying the heck out of my ps4.

at end of day price is key.

do you want a really high end 1080p/ultra setting/60fps at prob £1000+ or an affordable console at £359

its good enough for what i want and i have really enjoyed this gen so far.
u cant build the same pc for price of todays consoles,specially the xb1 with 2 games for £250 like it is in UKat moment.

No one would pay 600+ for a game console

You couldn't be more wrong. It's the devs that don't have the money and resources to constantly optimize their games. Don't forget, it takes a lot of money to even make the simplest of games.

Totally agree. 30 fps should not be a thing.

Yep, 30fps is wank. End of.

Underpowered doesn't imply less fun or intuitive. It may restrict possibilities, but I bought my consoles for fun first.

Now about "standard 1080p/60fps"... Not practical on fixed hardware. The consoles could be 3x as powerful as they are now, but still yield similar results. That is because developers are working with an unchanging specification. They know what performance they can get and will push it. If you had an open world game that was literally a replica of our world and fully rendered with voice acting and individual AI for everyone at all times, a game like that could not possibly be even 1080p/60fps on even the highest end PC. Games will be developed to take advantage of the platform and developers can at least be comfortable knowing all PS4s and Xbox Ones have a specific amount of power.

Now we can totally have all games running at the gold standard, but that will come with sacrifices. Since gamers place such a high value on graphics, guess where developers are keen on placing their priorities? MGSV is a bit of an aberration from that mindset where resolution and frame rate are on top and visuals are great for a cross gen title, but it's not perfect and the world is not as populated as other open world games.

In short, you can have the gold standard at the cost of visual fidelity. I don't mind either way. As long as it's got a great resolution, is at least 30fps, and above all fun, I can deal.

Every car should be able to hit 270 mph by now, how ridiculous of the auto industry...

This statement is as utterly ludicrous as your expectation (which I assume is taking into consideration the price-point of these consoles?)

Give it a break. At least TRY to make sense.

I'd love these consoles to have unlimited power too <insert Emperor joke and/or .gif here>, but it is just that, a wish, an unrealistic expectation at best.

I can take the most powerful gaming rig on the planet, feed it the most visually intensive game there is, watch it handle it on "maximum" settings with ease and then... make one modification to the code, allowing for 1 billion units or something on screen and the computer will die. ALL hardware has its limitations and that is without even considering PRICE!!!

You are getting it backward anyway... developers can make ALL of their games run at 60 fps 1080 p, they simply have to gimp all the other visual effects. It's easily done, but I like a balance of things if I don't have a choice one way or another.

Do be sane won't you?

the average consumer could care less about frame rate all they care about is if they like the game. all you people crying about frame rate sound like cry babies.

It depends what kind of game though, if its a story driven game it should be 30fps just like a cinematic movie. If its a competitive game then it should be 60fps.

I'll take quality and immersion over 60fps any day. If achieving 60fps means things like AI, Dynamic lighting/reflections, lossy audio, LOD, draw distance, beautiful imaginative aesthetics (tired of photorealism) are going to take a hit, I'd rather they leave it at 25-30fps, and let those things take a hit for things like Multiplayer, like its always been. If you can do all that and still hit 60fps, then that's always a nice bonus.

"but PS4 users will have to riskily take apart casing and internally install their own upgrades."

What!? Risky?! The panel slides off, risk free, you unscrew one screw and the HDD slides out trouble free. It was riskier doing it on PS3 but still incredibly feasible and accepted most SATA HDD's (unlike 360's overpriced custom HDD's).

In regards to day one patches, glitches in games aren't a new thing. I've had plenty of glitched experiences in games from nes, megadrive, snes, ps1, n64, and ps2 where I've had to restart games completely. I remember in the first Syphon Filter, in MP, my friends and I discovered if you grabbed on to the side of a hedge in a particular level and a grenade went off near you, you became invincible. They constantly did that and made the game not fun to play anymore for MP. (or was it Syphon Filter 2?)

If you don't know much about coding, then you'll have a hard time accepting this I suppose. But everyone codes in their own way, you could get a job as a programmer and be put in charge of updating something a previous programmer made, and it will look like a nightmare to you because they do things in their own particular way, adding something new in your own style could completely cripple the system, and so you either have to rewrite their code, or figure out how to code like them. You literally have to understand the way they think and operate.

The more programmers you add to the mix, the more chaotic these things become. The bigger your game, and the bigger your coding team is, the more insanity that is going to pour out from your game, especially when it gets in to the hands of 100,000's even milllions of players who will play the game in ways you could never predict!

A friend of mine recently passed on his game to me for testing, he'd fixed all the bugs, or so he thought. Withing two seconds I did something he would never have done himself and about 20 of his bugs reappeared in brand new ways.

http://blog.codinghorror.co... here's some reading to give you an understanding of the horrors of coding and how its become harder and more complex due to the insane amount of people working on projects these days.

PS4/XB1/Wii U aren't as powerful as everyone thought they were going to be.

Back in 2010 or 2011 some "insiders" told us that this gen would be a "Stop Gap": "a temporary way of dealing with a problem or satisfying a need."

* The entire industry was on the verge or a breakthrough in technology but needed to wait a few more years to get it cheap enough to use on consoles.

They needed something to hold us over until that happens.

The next consoles will wow us, starting with the NX.

We were told this and people still can't comprehend or reason it properly.

They are perfectly capable of 1080p 60FPS. Silly developers would just rather add an extra piece of dirt instead...

possible not under powered at all

more likely the games company have to follow a guide line
so not to destroy the pc sales of games

as there more pc games owner then consoles
if console did the 1080 which they can
people would not be buying pc games and be buying xbox one or ps4

Publishers only care about bullshots and graphics because they are the easiest to advertise, so they have development teams focus first and foremost on how pretty the game is. Sadly, stupid people just keep eating it up time and time again.

I will say, however, I'm perfectly fine with a lower resolution if it means 60 frames a second, as it actually affects gameplay, whereas resolution just makes it prettier.

"Just shows how underpowered these consoles are."

No it shows what dev priorities generally are. Any of these current consoles can hit 1080p and 60fps.

i agree, 30 fps Vs 60 fps is liken to when Black and White films transitioned into color, but for some reason, The games industry is stalling with this.

I see another gamer that has no clue about development.

You can't force developers to use 60fps or 1080p...both are developer dependent. They choose those settings. As you have no idea that with a more powerful system...if they wouldn't just use the extra power for more graphics and ignore the resolution or frame rate.

Many of you see to disregard that a game can be made with 60fps 1080p if merely put on a lessor engine used last gen.

There is a good reasons why you don't see many actually doing that... Pretty sure if they wanted that setting so badly, they wouldn't be making demanding engines.

I understand but the way they went about killing Joel, was poorly executed. Even the show of the Last of Us games tried to improved it, but it was just as bad. Well at least Joel got to know the reason why he had to die, before the death happened in the show. That part gave us the full context, but the game just let it happen with no pay off.

Joel death should have been a midway thing through the story, so we at least get to play him a little more with Ellie. Abby didn’t need to be this Hulk looking woman, but more like the show Abby which is a beater idea in my opinion.