Yeh looks like CPU is 65nm
GPU still 90?

hmm.

fanboys can't give credit to the other system even when the proof is in their face.talk about childish.

I don't know much about this so: does it reduce the possibility of getting the RROD? I want a 360 (if only for Fable 2 and some other RPGs) but I'm waiting till it gets more stable hardware. Also, do I need to pay for XBL for Fable 2's co-op?

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You mean the 360 Elite with a 120GB HDD that Sony followed after having a 20GB and a 60GB PS3 at launch?

Thing is: the PS3 needs a large HDD because of the forced game installs on the slowwwwww access time on the BluRay drive.

The 360 can do with a 20GB HDD or even just a memory card and play the game, even better on the 360 then the PS3 does with 99% of the multiplatform games. But with this fallupdate you can choose to install the complete game to load 30% faster. Only if you wish to do so. So therefore the 60GB and 120GB can be usefull but not an obligation.

DarkDiaper fails. As always.

at least with a ps 3 i can put what ever size hard drive in it that i want to. and the only reason Microsoft is coming out with being able to load the game on the hard drive is because msft choice the out dated dvd 9 instead of a higher capacity fomat. and as far as the load times on the ps 3 your totaly wrong blu ray is faster then dvd 9 .

yea msft rushed the 360 with design flaws up the gazooe rrod disk scratch. a out of date dvd 9 . yea if thats leading edege to you then me and you have a difeeance of opioion to what leading edge technology is. to me leading edge is a system that was well tested . i leave my ps3 on all the time it docent have a heat issue. a bluray disk drive not to watch movies on but to play games on with more info then a dvd 9 can handel. a new designed cell engine that once the devs get up to speed will show off what the great ps3 can do. a hard drive on all ps3 plus you can upgrade the hard drive with any size you want not by what x box makes for it. pog if you haven't already you need to go buy a ps3 and really get leading edge technology

"at least with a ps 3 i can put what ever size hard drive in it that i want to."

Correction: at least with a PS3 you are FORCED to put in a larger size HDD because the standard 40GB one isn't enough to have all those forced install games to fit. Thus, on top of the 400 bucks spend, you need to fork out another 100 bucks just to keep your console running. So actually the PS3 costs 500 bucks, while the 360 with the 20GB HDD or even the memory card can play it all.

"and the only reason Microsoft is coming out with being able to load the game on the hard drive is because msft choice the out dated dvd 9 instead of a higher capacity fomat. and as far as the load times on the ps 3 your totaly wrong blu ray is faster then dvd 9"

Wrong again. Go check all the multiplatform games on both machines and see which is loading faster. The 360 version does. The PS3 install only is needed to keep up with the 360 version. You can find multiple video's comparing the loading. The BR might have a faster MB total read speed, but the main problem is especially on the delayement in searching ms etc. But again, go check out reality go check out the versions running besides each other. Too bad. You failed again. Furthermore, 99% of all games fit on one DL-DVD, so you failed there again. The PS1 had some multiCD games, was it a bad platform because of that?

"to me leading edge is a system that was well tested"

You mean thats why they found out afterwards it needs forced installations, because they didn't test the BR over being slow?

"i leave my ps3 on all the time it docent have a heat issue."

For what, for curing cancer? And to get the earth heated up even further blowing all that electricity and getting all that oil and gas used up with all the morons that keep their PS3 running day and night. So you're responsible of the water in seas rising and especially poor countries that can't do anything about it get flooded. Real nice dude there. You kill more then you save.

"a bluray disk drive not to watch movies on but to play games on with more info then a dvd 9 can handel."

Wrong. It IS for movie. Sony pushed the format and forced it into the gamers console.

"a new designed cell engine that once the devs get up to speed will show off what the great ps3 can do."

Wasn't it supposed to do 1.5 years ago already? And still its not up to speed. Mmmhhhh makes you wonder. How long will it take to unlock it? another 1.5 years?

You're talking out of your ars

you need a hug