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Destiny’s Old Subclasses Could Really Use These Fixes

Overall, all of the three new subclasses added in Destiny: The Taken King are awesome. Nightstalker, Stormcaller, and Subreaker all have their uses in both PvE and PvP Crucible content.

The only problem is that Bungie did such a great job with these three new subclasses that they kind of make the other subclasses feel a little obsolete and dated. Some more than others for sure, but some of vanilla Destiny’s subclasses could use some touching up.

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Orejillz3912d ago

Yeah,they really need to add a bit of new incentive to go back to some of the older subclasses. Sure they're still solid, but the new ones work so well as a team.

WildArmed3912d ago

Yeah, pretty much.

Only class that is still going to be visited is the warlock sunsinger since the revive is broken in Hard mode Raid.

Hereiamhereibe23911d ago

'Broken' implies that you are supposed to be able to be revived in the hard mode... Which is not the case.

cell9893912d ago

I have to disagree, for all end game content like the nightfall or raid, I see everyone using Sunsinger and defender titan all the time. The bubble is still a huge advantage when fighting bosses on raid especially if you combine it with a tether from Nightstalker. Also sunsinger revive is the choice of warlocks when doing nightfall or raid.Old classes are being used more on end game content than new classes, except for the hunters.
I will say the Nightstalker class definitely is the choice of all hunters on end game content.
For Pvp I can see this article being more accurate.

emad-E-three3912d ago

IMO the only thing they need to do with any of the subclasses is to reduce the amount of hammers the Titan can throw, around 6 hammers compared to golden gun (3 shots) and nova bomb (1 bomb) it just way over powered and only proves the game is not balanced in PvP!

OMGitzThatGuy3912d ago

I have had to deal with golden gun for an entire year so now that i can rain down hammers on your parade makes it that much sweeter. I do agree that #TeamGodbreakers are OP though or maybe its just me.

dms52233912d ago

I'm with you. I'm so happy I have a powerful super after having to put up with golden gun and blade dancer haha

ABizzel13911d ago

This I agree with to an extent, but a buff to the other classes would also fix the issue. I feel Super's should be powerful, and I don't see the problem with the SunBreaker being throwing 6+ hammers. The problem is that they have ridiculous armor buffs when using the Super so it's painfully difficult to kill them in their Super, and on top of that with each kill they get their health back.

It's Blade Dancer + Golden Gun in one.

That combo doesn't deserve that amount of armor. It literally took my 4 Invective shotgun shots in the back of one to kill him. I've even seen one live from a Rocket.

At this point only Hunter's Teether (but chances are you'll get hit by a hammer), an Ionic Blink Warlock + Impossible Machines (Blind him with the Super, then blink behind him and kill him), and Nova Bomb are viable. Fist of Havoc requires you to get too close, but can work too.

DefenderOfDoom23912d ago

Hard to go back to Defender class after i maxed out my Sunbreaker class . Those flaming hammers are so fun to throw in PVE strikes .

ABizzel13912d ago

Defender is still vastly superior for team support especially in Control and Raids. Otherwise SB still remains the OP choice of Titans.

cell9893912d ago

The only time I use sunbreaker is on partol, pvp, and some pve missions. For any endgame content like the nightfall or the raid, sunbreaker is usless(unless solar modifier on nighfall is active). The defender titan is the number one choice for Kings fall on ALL titans.

ABizzel13912d ago (Edited 3912d ago )

Some of these are pretty good.

All the classes really need are an extra ability for the Super and a new perk.

Striker:
Super: Gain an Overshield when using their super (pretty much ends being instant killed when using your super (rare to being with) and allows you to come out of the animation without being complete bullet magnet for those who didn't get in it).

Perk: improvement for aiming their super in the air turning them into a missile. This would offer great synergy with their new exotic helmet which let's them float in the air.

Gunslinger:
Super: Critical kills with Golden Gun drops an extra orb, 3 critical hits with Golden Gun grants you an extra shot. This makes it's PvE super much more useful, and in PvP if you're great with your aim give Gunslingers a taste of Sunbreaker's power allowing up to 5 shots with your Exotic Helmet.

Perk: Critical kills give bonus melee and grenade energy

Voidwalker:
Super: Instead of having the tri-projectile nova bomb, let nova bomb fire 3 times on a charge timer like the Hunter's Teether Super, but make these bombs much smaller in scale so it's not OP.

Perk: Grenade kills grant bonus Grenade energy

Sunsinger:
Super: Fireborn comes standard in Radiance, so you can revive regardless.

Perk: Replace Fireborn perk with something like.....Trailblazer: Boost agility of you and your teammates while under Radiance (a team wide agility boost for 15 - 20 seconds shouldn't be OP).

Bladedance
Super: Increase duration to equal Sunbreakers (if you're not going to reduce the time for SB)

Perk: A camouflaged shot / melee deals bonus damage (the whole point is to be invisible)

Defender
Super: Significantly reduces cooldown of your Grenades and Melee while inside Ward of Dawn

Perk: When entering Ward of Dawn you temporarily gain Max Armor. This allows you to build your Titan for Recovery & Agility, pop WoD and also have Armor for about 5 - 15 seconds, allowing it to be a slight tank outside the bubble, and a beastly tank inside, and that's before boost like Blessing's of Light, Armor of Light, and Force Barrier.

cell9893912d ago

theres already a helmet that lets you aim your fist of havok while in the air, dead from above.

for blade dancer I think theres already a set of exotic gauntlets that let you hit with bonus damage if you melee in stealth mode.

I like your idea for Ward of Dawn Defender class, boosting your armor and reducing charge time of grenades

ABizzel13911d ago (Edited 3911d ago )

@cell989

The problem with both of those, is that it require your Exotic slot, just to make the Supers function competitively with other Supers in both PvE and PvP.

Fist of Havoc is a powerful Super in PvP, but against a "REAL TEAM" it doesn't work well, outside of Fist of Panic kills. The Exotic Helmet let's you float, but the aiming perk for the Super needs a buff. Just like any class can jump in the air and shoot a rocket across the map, that's what the Titan Fist of Havoc should be able to do. And it won't be broken, because it's a Super and 1 time use, and the Warlock's Lance already does exactly what this would do without the need to get close (which is why the Overshield is required).

Same deal with the Blade Dancer. The whole point of the Blade Dancer is stealth and cloaking, and whenever you attack you instantly lose that cloaking, so why not give a damage buff when you have to attack while cloaking, and it just makes sense to give the buff to at least weapons, (grenades and melee are negotiable). And it should be a modest boost where the damage is noticeable, but not OP where snipers instant kill on body shots in PvP, but it should at least put you at 1-shot sidearm health with high impact rifles. This would also give Patience's and Time a HUGE buff (it needs) making it the go to exotic sniper for this class.

cell9893910d ago

great analysis, I agree!

emad-E-three3912d ago (Edited 3912d ago )

Edited!

You can already aim your super with the Stiker while in the air without the need for an exotic gear!

ABizzel13911d ago (Edited 3911d ago )

Yes, but it needs a buff, which is why I said it needs improvement. The Titan should practically become a High Impact, and High Velocity Rocket when using it's Super. What they currently have is nowhere near that.

It would make Empyrean Bellicose (extoic float helmet for Titan's), much more useful. You can jump in the air, float to get a good view, and smash from across the map, turning the Titan into a human Rocket / Nova Bomb.

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Star Wars x Destiny Collaboration: Gear & Cosmetics Launching February 4th

Destiny 2 x Star Wars collaboration is here! Get exclusive gear, cosmetics, and accessories when Heresy launches on February 4th. Don’t miss it!

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coolbeans516d ago (Edited 516d ago )

Fortnite-ification comes for all live-service games.

Neonridr515d ago

now this is an armor set done right.

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Destiny Mobile spin-off will reportedly be revealed very soon

The long-rumoured Destiny Mobile game from NetEase may finally be ready for reveal according to multiple leakers.

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Xbox Passed On Destiny & Guitar Hero According To Phil Spencer

Phil Spencer talks candidly about missing out on both Destiny and Guitar Hero

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anast664d ago

He paid billions for Starfield. This should be the real story.

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Sciurus_vulgaris664d ago

Microsoft bought all of Zenimax Media for 7 billion, while Sony paid 4 billion for Bungie. I think Microsoft got the better deal due to acquiring Fallout, ElderScrolls and Doom.

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anast664d ago

This can't be true. They only bought Starfield...

InUrFoxHole664d ago

@anast
Should've thought that one out buddy, lol.

anast664d ago (Edited 664d ago )

Yeah, I thought it out. I'm not sure you did. But since we are buddy's now, you're welcome.

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anast663d ago

"Clearly your parents didn't teach you"

You know you lost, when you have to resort to this tactic.

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Profchaos664d ago

So you're saying that Microsoft has missed out on so many huge gaming franchise in the last 25 years from GTA exclusivity to guitar hero and destiny it's just laughable they had so many misses

Reaper22_664d ago

Yea, but they're still 100 times more wealthy than Sony. I would say it worked out well.

Gamingsince1981664d ago

Xbox is dead all that money doesn't help.

Hypertension140664d ago

What has work out well? It sure as hell had nothing to do with Xbox.

andy85664d ago

That isn't because of Xbox though. This is a gaming page, not an I get supplemented by father Windows page

Bathyj664d ago

Microsoft's money has nothing to do with Xbox.
Xbox is a money pit to them they would love to ditch but are after some ROI first.

Let's face it, Xbox is like a red headed stepchild that steals from you to buy drugs.

Hofstaderman664d ago (Edited 664d ago )

MIicrosoft is NOT XBOX. The current situation illustrates this. And Microsoft wants its ROI.

@Bathyj and daddy Satya has just force admitted Phil to rehab.

gold_drake664d ago

you know why MS has so much money, and it aint cause of the gaming xbox branch.

so lets not kid ourselves.

PhillyDonJawn664d ago

Xbox was shown to be more profitable than ps

jznrpg663d ago

@PhillyDownJawn not more profitable. More revenue with ABK acquisition but them going multiplat shows they are not making much profit

ocelot07663d ago

That's great for Xbox gamers ain't it that Microsoft are more wealthy than Sony. Is that really a argument use are using now lol?

Imagine me in my job. Arguing with a fellow security guard at another company. Hahah well the company I work for is worth £800m the one you work for is only work £600m!

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Knightofelemia663d ago

Microsoft may have more money but Sony has the talented studios and the games to back up those studios.

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Chevalier663d ago

Plus turning down Marvel too. Spiderman is only exclusive to Playstation because of that

Hedstrom664d ago

Best deal deal in gaming must be when Sony bought Insomniac for 229 million dollars. They made over 800 millions on Spiderman for the ps4 alone. Thats just crazy!

XBManiac663d ago

More in the 1.000 million now.

gold_drake664d ago

another Interview?

how is he the only one who loves the spotlight as much as he does lol

Futureshark663d ago

Let's not forget he also famously passed on Spider-man, Genshin Impact and GTA3.

However it's almost kind of cute how he can keep that sh1t-eating grin and say he's a 'no regrets' kind of guy, especially when you think how much just these 5 titles could have swung the world in Xbox's favour instead of Sonys.

How he's kept his job I don't know, he must sure be keeping Papa Nadella's shaft warm somehow.

"But, but Gamepass, he introduced that!!!"

Yes he did, and now look at Xbox, all it's exclusives are coming to Playstation now rendering the platform obsolete.

DarXyde663d ago

Honestly, with that kind of track record, you can't convince me Spencer hasn't eaten it from the back in the name of self preservation. Probably unwashed...and at least twice.

That aside, my interpretation of everything here is Xbox has been mismanaged a bit too much and Nadella came down from his throne. The way it is now, I don't believe for a minute the multiplatform move was Spencer's idea. I don't even think the acquisitions was Spencer's work. At this point, I reckon he's got as much power in his role as Hunter Biden at a Ukrainian energy company.

DivineHand125663d ago

You can never tell how things will turn out if he had said yes to those games. Xbox already has access to some great IPs, however, they hardly do anything with them or fail to deliver. It's also possible their presentation wasn't good at the time, and they made sure the next presentation was better.

I believe that part of being successful is releasing things in the right place at the right time.

Many major corporations have a story similar to passing on successful business ideas. Let us look at Sony Pictures for example. Back when Marvel went bankrupt, they had the opportunity to buy the entire Marvel for only $25 Million but turned them down. An unnamed big shot at Sony reportedly claimed that “nobody gives a shit about any of the other Marvel characters,”. They ended up taking Spiderman for $10 Million instead.

https://www.avclub.com/sony...

Fast forward to today, we can see what the Marvel brand has done for Disney. Is it possible the same success would have been possible had Sony acquired those IPs. We can't say that for sure and it is possible most of those IPs that are successful today may not have been used.

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