Some people are complaining about the selection of games in an ad? Criticising that "Sony doesnt believe in such and such game" while injecting little snide remarks like "i know its not a AAA" lol come on guys, are you running out of ideas?

You guys have moved the goal posts so many times we dont even know where the goals ARE at this point.

@S2
"You guys have moved the goal posts so many times we dont even know where the goals ARE at this point."

Interesting...a lot of us are saying that Until Dawn deserves to be in that commercial because it's a great game and we're now moving goal posts...lol, I guess.

@gangsterred
First, who is "you" exactly? Secondly, who are "a lot of you"? Thirdly, you and septic were not praising until dawn, you wrre criticising Sony for "not believing in until dawn" and septic was claiming that Unti Dawn is only a "AA". Which is interesting because i dont know WHO makes that decision. I mean, is it the budget? Is it how big the advertising budget was? Or is it the graphics? Or how big the publishing company is? What makes a game AAA exactly? Or better yet maybe its got to be a big name sequel? Maybe thats what makes Until Dawn less than AAA? But to be honest with you, i think the reason why Until Dawn is only AA is so that xbox fanboys can then claim that there are no AAAs on PS4. Thats why the goal posts are nowhere to be found.

@S2

Why didn't Sony pad out the advert with games that people like to add like Mlb, Tales and some other stuff?

They showed off ONE exclusive which is a remaster. Mate that's WEAK.

There is DEFINITELY a point to make that third party titles run best on the PS4 on consoles. That is a strong point and no one should downplay that. But in terms of exclusives worth talking about, well even Sony's own exec said it was lacking.

But this is the last year we get a boring lineup on PS4 I reckon. Next year is a guaranteed beastage and thereafter the momentum should continue

@ Septic

"on ps4" doesn't imply that those games have to be exclusives. It means that they want the ps4 to be the console of choice to play those games. That's the message that I thought they were trying to convey to the audience.

I agree until dawn should be in there. Im sure they'll include it in a holiday add.

@S2

"Thirdly, you and septic were not praising until dawn"

Septic - I think it deserves more exposure, based on what my mates have said about the game.

Red - I would take Until Dawn over any of the games (besides MGS) shown in the video.

Red - I can honestly say Bloodborne, Axiom Verge and Until Dawn are excellent games for the system..

Just a few of the many praises on this article for Until Dawn.
And I have a better question that I and others are asking or wondering and you seem to be avoiding...

Why didn't Sony put Until Dawn in this commercial? A great game that does deserve more exposure and does deserve to be right there next to CoD and the Uncharted Collection.

"i think the reason why Until Dawn is only AA is so that xbox fanboys..."

So basically you want to turn this into a Xbox vs PS fanboy riot fest that has absolutely nothing to do with moving goal posts at all.

Sony could have had a much better commercial showcasing a lot more of their exclusives but somehow all you got out of the comments made were "xbox fanboys moving goal posts".

You all have valid points... thanks for the read

@ Septic
Septic: "Why didn't Sony pad out the advert with games that people like to add like Mlb, Tales and some other stuff? They showed off ONE exclusive which is a remaster. Mate that's WEAK."

Well, maybe they have too many exclusives to put all of them into one ad. maybe they know better than you or me about what best interests people. or maybe, just maybe, these games happened to be the ones chosen? or better yet, maybe this is just the commercial you saw, and there is another one filled with all the other exclusives? why do you assume the world revolves around your perception?

Septic: "But this is the last year we get a boring lineup on PS4 I reckon. Next year is a guaranteed beastage and thereafter the momentum should continue"

Unfortunately for you, ever since the xbone announced the halo/forza/tombraider "best line up ever", 2/1/2 months have passed during which, the PS4 has had more exclusives. I believe even during the month of halos' release, PS4 will have a wider variety of exclusives. So, the question becomes, "boring" compared to what? if you mean xbone's line up is more exciting, well, I hope halo will do it for you until the holidays of 2016. But please don't act as if "holiday line up" consists of this vague time frame that started with the announcement of xbone's "best line up" ever, and will continue until the end of the year. PS4's exclusive line up is much more exciting to me, just FYI. I personally will take Shenmue next year, and Dragon Quest over everything released by Xbox since its inception (and yes that's including halo and forza, and you can throw in halo 6 for good measure)

@Gansterred
Do you see how people down voted your comments? why do you think that is? maybe you should read your comment more carefully. I'm not the one turning this into a "fanboy riot fest", its your comments. I'm just pointing you out. You don't believe me? listen to what Septic is saying over here with his 30something disagrees.

@S2

"Well, maybe they have too many exclusives to put all of them into one ad"

Lol yeah so many exclusives they didn't put any of them in the ad. Right. Not one.

Why did Sony say their lineup was bare? Where they wrong? Ah you guys know better

" maybe they know better than you or me about what best interests people."

Oh no wait they know better. Oh so the likes of MLB the show and tales Falafel aren't as interesting as these titles? Not worthy of an appearance on the ad? Hmmm.

"
listen to what Septic is saying over here with his 30something disagrees."

Lol what? Surely you must realise that this site is a Sony hive. The disagrees come pouring from all corners if you dare say anything bad about Sony or even dare to be critical.

Well let's agree to disagree. Sony and I seem to have similar tastes in sharing what we think are games worth advertising (minus Until Dawn).

You know, you might get less disagrees (not that they matter) if you didn't twist things to suit yourself. Sony never said their line up was bare, you know they didn't yet you keep insisting they did. What they did say is that the first party line up (which is games owned by Sony and developed in house) is sparse. And this is true. Ps has tearaway unfolded and uc collection for first party games this autumn. Actually they have bloodborne expansion as well which was announced yesterday, then there's the third party and multi-plats too. In fact as far as I'm aware (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I could be), the only first party ms has is forza and halo. So it's looking as if xbox is as sparse as ps in that department. The difference is ms didn't say so, instead they fluffed up their exclusive lineup to look better than it is (which is probably the better strategy even though house' statement was for investors and not us).

Wow guys it's only one commercial showing a few games. There will be many others and they can t possibly show so many PS4 games in just one commercial.
Sceptic we know you stated many times you think BloodBorne is the only 'decent' (whatever that means) exclusive on PS4 which is telling much about your bias so you shouldn't be that much concerned about which exclusives they should show in a commercial.

@Septic

Pretty ironic to watch Xbox supporters try to comment on another consoles exclusivity lineup considering Xbox has never had a remotely substantive/robust lineup in their existence. Keep preaching though.

I keep trying to tell you guys but I get slammed for saying it but IT IS RIGHT THERE IN YOUR FACES. Yoshida has even come out and said it in multiple interviews. He has basically said that their focus is not big AAA games, they have become too expensive, and not worth the return of investment.

Sony and MS have switched marketing strategies this gen. Last gen, MS was focused more on advertising multiplat games like COD as their own and catering to the masses, with a sprinkle of exlcusives. The ps3 was heavly focused on providing more, big AAA exclusives, and did less marketing of multiplat's. This gen those roles have reversed.

It is now proven, what strategy works best, even though I agree with the latter. Sony's focus on big AAA was awesome and I probably would have been considered a Sony fanboy last gen. This gen, I am more in favor of what MS is doing with their games lineup as it caters more to the type of gamer I am, just as sonys did last gen.

Because they wanted to only highlight the best games, Septic, and that means your big shooters, annual releases, and maybe one exclusive. You can't be trying to sell people your artsy-fartsy horror games. C'mon!

Very underwhelming commercial, to be honest.

There's no doubt that mainly multi plats will be the biggest sellers and that more copies will be bought and played on PS4. On top of that, PS4 will still have more exclusive games even after XB1's fall releases.

@Lito - That goes both ways. Last gen, smaller performance differences were big talking points for 360 fans on here. This gen, bigger differences have been downplayed. I knew last gen that 360 was performing better with multi plats but it didn't make me want one because I prefer PS exclusives. XB1 fans should feel the same if they love their exclusives, but that doesn't stop a new buyer (there are new gamers all the time) from buying the console that performs better with multi plats. Most games are multi plats after all.

@AngelicIce I notice gamers tend to flip flop or move goal post to what ever suites there agenda. Its been done so many times that sitting there and telling them multplatform games are on every system is a waist of time. The new goal post is that multiplats play better on there system of choice compared to another competing system when you and I know they play the same. Truth is its a great time to be a gamer lets enjoy the games. Game on your system of choice and enjoy the good times ahead.

The new goalpost us multies play better on their system.......

What a load of crap...

Whats worst than a goalpost mover.....one that does it with blinkers on. I guess you didnt notice any of the lot or df comparison articles last gen......i think their purpose was to determine the superiority of multiplats which was celebrated by the victors so......who's moving the goalposts again because its far from 'new'

Another thing you've left out is that both multies and exclusives have been celebrated not just multies. We know it bugs the guys who downplay multiplats now but you reap what you sow. Whats was good for the goose is good for the gander.

Don't think it was encouraging people to play PS exclusives on the PS4, just the best games on the PS4. What's it matter if it's multi-plat in this case? Does that somehow negate Sony trying to get people to play the games on their platform, and does it mean that because it's available on the X1, that it's now not worth playing on the PS4? Sony makes money off these games if people play them on the PS4, so there ya go.

I'll be sure to write to Sony and suggest they say that people should play those games on the Xbox One instead. That seems much more reasonable because...well one of you Xbox fans will have to explain that one to me.

? Who do you think its trying to impress? Fanboys? They are targeting all gamers, the reality is....those games are selling better on PS4, PS4 is selling better then both XONE and Wii U sometimes combined.

The reality is...when those games play better on PS4, sell better on PS4, they very much can market anything to sell PS4. I'm pretty sure many 3rd parties make deals to get those games shown during Sony events, Sony isn't just going to advertise other publishers games for free.

Some thing is clearly in it for them, they get to sell PS on that concept of games.

If you don't own a current gen system, those games to you are still new, they are still not able to be played by you, thus it still markets PS4.

Consider MGSV sold better on PS4. Do you think it matters that its on XONE? I mean....if PS4 sold better because that game, the game sold MORE units on PS4......ask yourself just how much that really hurt Sony?

They don't care. They care about making money and selling systems.

So yes, showing AC, Call Of Duty etc will get PS sold even if those titles are on XONE.

They are not better on XONE, they are not selling better then XONE and PS4 is outselling that platform.

Sony is making sure you see those games on PS4 and know its the "best" place to game. They'll be fine.

You can get Star Wars on PC, you can get Hitman on XONE etc

.......so. The reality is, when they play better else where (or have a history of it) they will likely sell PS4's before they sell XONEs. Eonjay states it best, "The best games aren't exclusive" and I actually agree with him.

Most of the titles I get during a gen and love a lot are not really exclusive, some are, but my library is filled with multi platform games.

Sony is not just selling PS4s on Sony titles..they are selling that most of your titles you play, will play the best on PS4. Its not just about buying PS4 to play Sony titles....it might just be to play the best version of that title.

@Angelic- "Its just interesting to see everyone hype Multiplats like they're exclusives now. "

Nope.

because its a fanboy war concept.

Business wise, why should they ignore 3rd parties? Those titles sell more units then exclusives do. Many, many 3rd party games will do better then in house exclusives.

So this idea that someone is "hyping" multiplats up like they are exclusive makes no sense.

No one is saying they are anything like exclusives and why does it matter? Who stated that they NEEDED to ONLY show first party games? OH you mean the ones with smaller marketing budgets and the ones that sell the least units? Really?

@Tobsesan - Every GAMER should know that not everyone enjoys the same games, so either console could honestly be said to have the better lineup.

@Rookie Well said

It's all subjective my friend. This whole back and forth is rather meaningless to the average console gamer who's getting a console this xmas because they will probably already know what they want, and to the younger set, marketing is going to be what makes up their mind...or their friends choices in console will do that.

I mentioned that the same things were being said last year by MS, and it did them no good except for one November. I have a feeling that this whole constant mention by MS that it has the best holiday line up is them just repeating something enough times that they hope it will actually influence those waiting for presents to ask for an X1 instead of a PS4.

I don't begrudge MS for what they're saying...it's their job after all, but the bickering on forums has gotten old long ago, and I think too many people have tried to over rationalize what MS has said, and over estimate it's actual effect. I also believe that they completely disregard the partnerships that Sony has made for this holiday with AC, COD, and most importantly SW:BF which is going to be huge this holiday with the new movie coming out.

I think on the Sony side, people discount how much of an effect Halo will have, are pretty spot on that Forza isn't a system seller, and are marginally underestimating that a TR exclusive deal may be a good push for MS...mostly because the uninformed will have no idea that it's only timed.

However, the biggest catalyst will be what type of games people are interested in. For the most part, each system would have you covered on any genre, with MS having a slight edge in the popularity of Halo, but Sony having an edge with marketing rights to SW:BF which will feature prominently this holiday.

Games will be on display left and right this holiday, and it's going to be that way because MS has pushed this whole, "Best Holiday Lineup" all year, so Sony obviously will reciprocate to the contrary.

I think for the general mass of consumers, it's going to come down to a game or two, and not all those other things you mention at the end of your comment. None of that other stuff is marketed much outside the hardcore gaming venues such as N4G.

@Rookie_monster "No doubt to the majority"
"Be objective about it"
Since we are being objective here do you mind providing evidence that Xboxs fall line up is superior in the eyes of the "majority"?