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Oxide Developer: "NVIDIA Was Putting Pressure On Us To Disable Certain Settings In The Benchmark"

DSOGaming writes: "When Oxide's Ashes of the Singularity benchmark tool was released, NVIDIA issued a statement claiming that it does not consider this particular benchmark to represent what DX12 can achieve on its hardware. However, it seems that a lot has been going on in the background. According to one of Oxide's developer, NVIDIA was pressuring Oxide to remove certain settings in its benchmark."

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ARESWARLORD3929d ago

Nvidia is getting dirty more and more these days. I have 2 PCs I run one pc on AMD and one on NVIDIA. I love AMD as a company but I love Nvidia drivers. My heart knows that I should I support AMD as they are better for the gaming community. They offer many things for free the competitors could use if they chose to like freesync. Unfortunally however even though Nvidia does very dirty things like their game works they do have better software. It is like the saying goes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

T9003929d ago (Edited 3929d ago )

The last time i owned an AMD GPU was back when 5870 was released. After which i gave up on AMD. I just think their drivers are garbage.

I bought AMD because i wanted to try eyefinity. A game like TF2 would be stuttering in eyefinity even though it was reporting 60fps. It was complete utter garbage. If i disabled crossfire the game felt smooth. Enable crossfire and its a stuttering mess.

I replaced 5870 CF with GTX 580 SLi, TF2 now was running liquid smooth between 180 -200 FPS even in eyefinity. I give TF2 as an example because its such easy to run game yet AMD driver are just garbage.

Sorry never going back to AMD. I really dont care about the hardware specific features Nvidia roles out with, since i dont care about AMD and wouldnt ever go back to it.

JsonHenry3929d ago

I found myself in the exact opposite as you. I had such good luck with the 5870 I went back to AMD. But now I am rocking a 980GTX and love it too.

But as the OP says- AMD is good for the industry and gaming in general. But Nvidia currently has more solid products IMO so I went with them this time.

OverdosedWitDopeness3929d ago

I've used amd cards diamond 4850-powercolor4890-diamond685 0-xfx7850 and no issues with drivers and I've used nvidia cards pny660ti - evga gtx970 with no issues both make great cards that play games great. It's all upto the budget at the end of the day.

BeefCurtains3929d ago

This looks kind of weird to me. Nvidia requested to have async compute disabled for their card because it would run better. On your personal computer, wouldn't you set up the features to make it run the best? Sounds like a fair request to me.

dcbronco3928d ago

The problem is AMD has been building their architecture towards an API like dx12 before having it. That's why they made Mantle to push the industry toward better design. Now that the APIs and OSs are going to be geared more to what they do AMD will be making a huge comeback. It should really get going when Zen releases and they move to 14 or 16nm. They will have the architecture with enough bandwidth and power to make a substantial move on the competition. It seems the reports on DX12 have been favorable to their drivers so that excuse is gone. People will still be late to adjust but that just equals deals for those that make the move ahead of the curve.

LordDhampire3928d ago

you should check the nvidia reddit, the tables have turned. Nvidia drivers are shit and AMD is gold.

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Software_Lover3929d ago

I'm not tied into them like that, just as I am not tied to Microsoft or Sony. I went from 9800gx2, to gtx 460, to HD 6950, to HD 7950, to my now GTX Titan Black. It just depends on how I feel.

Having said that, these companies need to stop trying to fool the public. I know it's not going to stop, but it's just getting sad now.

T9003929d ago

Well every company tries to fool the public. Look at the all the boasting we get from the console makers. Before the start of the gen they always make lofty promises that they can never deliver on. Yet the fan base always believes the hype.

I would say there is certainly alot more transparency when it comes to PC hardware. Bottom line many PC gamers dont care about loyalty they will buy the hardware that performs the best for the money.

Hence i dont care about Nvidias policies as long as they are rolling out amazing hardware.

Also to the people who say, "oh if AMD goes out of business then Nvidia will rape us with the prices", i dont believe that can happen. Look at Intel they are pretty much a monopoly in the CPU industry now. Yet they cant charge a high price, since the market always determines a fair value, same pretty much goes for Nvidia.

abstractel3928d ago

@T900 Driveclub, Killzone, Second Son all came out at least as good as the initial unveiling of the PS4 -- Driveclub and Killzone both improved on their initial showing. The Order, despite it's mediocre gameplay, is absolutely stunning. Ryse looked just as good when it came out as when it was revealed.

Uncharted 4 looks to beat all of those games when it comes to graphics and physics. Dreams, with it's voxel based renderer, looks to be pushing the envelope even further. Battlefront looks beautiful, Quantum Break, Gears of War 4 etc. also look incredible.

You can't say console manufactures made lofty promises and did not deliver because this generation they did deliver. I've never been so happy to be a gamer. Only thing that's disappointed me has been the AA solution in Arkham Knight -- an otherwise gorgeous (and fun) game. So don't bring that elitist PC shit in here where it doesn't belong.

Baka-akaB3929d ago (Edited 3929d ago )

Before specifically calling out Nvidia (even if they deserve it) , everyone needs to remember that Ati/AMD has done the same in the past .

Both have been fudging benchmark results and pressuring studios whenever they had to .

VJGenova3929d ago

I made the switch to Nvidia because they support hdmi 2.0, which AMD does not. I game in my living room on a 4k tv and this was the only way I could do that. Also AMD drivers are shit.

3-4-53929d ago

I've had an AMD 7770 since 2013 and it's been good enough for most games, but it really works well.

I've had zero gaming issues and the drivers have worked perfectly.

* Nvidia, or whoever is in charge there, seems to be a bit too elitist, like they think they are better than anybody else.

Yea the graphics cards can be somewhat better sometimes but not THAT much better, and AMD makes a good quality card that runs good and lasts a while with hardly any issues.

AMD seems more about getting a good quality card to as many gamers as possible where it seems that Nvidia just wants to cater to the PC Elitist who needs to have the "best of the best".

Just my opinion though, I could be completely wrong.

Angeljuice3929d ago (Edited 3929d ago )

The thing is that now DX12 is out, AMD have been proven to make better performing hardware than Nvidia.
Nvidia cards are reporting a performance hit in some areas with DX12 and much cheaper AMD cards out-performing them.

Finally AMD cards will be performing to their potential, but it seems Nvidia have already been doing so for a while now.

If AMD can continue to produce cheaper, more powerful cards, how long will Nvidia's better driver support hold weight?

AndrewLB3928d ago

Funny how the article neglects to mention that Oxide Games has been heavily invested in by AMD since 2013 and this benchmark, much like their previous release "Star Swarm, is designed to emphasize aspects of rendering that favor AMD hardware.

Think about it this way... lets say Turn 10 Studios was releasing a next-gen console performance benchmark that you'll be able to download and run on both Xbone or PS4. Upon analysis, Sony discovers the benchmark is heavily weighted to favor CPU heavy applications, game performance while running triple buffering (most sony games only have double) and cloud based features. What would your opinion be of this benchmark Sony fans?

And this isn't a hypothetical based on pure speculation. Oxide Games did EXACTLY this about a year ago with their Star Swarm benchmark which was designed to make AMD hardware look much faster than nVIdia's because it focused specifically on certain memory bandwidth intensive tasks. It showed AMD hardware beating Nvidia by huge amounts, yet not a single game released since then has backed up those performance claims.

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Tzuno3928d ago

I like amd too but i love nvidia TDP more, amd needs to improve on that.

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Outthink_The_Room3929d ago (Edited 3929d ago )

Kind of a unique turn after Nvidia openly trashed next-gen consoles.

If their drivers weren't going to support ASync (which they said they WOULD) then their stance on dismissing the consoles functionality is a complete joke.

WOW. And those rumors that a company might buy AMD, would be pretty crazy right about now. If AMD grabs a major share of GPUs going forward, whoever buys them would make alot of money pretty quick.

I mean, if a mid range AMD card with ASync, could compete with a higher range Nvidia card, that'll set off fireworks in the gaming space.

GNCFLYER3929d ago

Glad I'm waiting to buy my gpus.

On the console side, am I reading things correct? This seems good for async compute on the PS4 as well as dx12 on xbox?

Agent_hitman3929d ago (Edited 3929d ago )

One of the reason why I hate Nvidia and never going to buy any of their products. I would rather settle for cheaper and underpowered product of competitor like AMD, than to patronize Nvidia with their monopolistic practices.. ehem.. ehem.. Nvidia Gameworks... and also this.

ironmonkey3929d ago

bf4 and hardline are games that run with mantle support which i love and thats why i chose amd. r9 290x CF

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Veteran artist behind Mass Effect, Halo, and Overwatch 2 weighs in on Nvidia DLSS 5

Darryl Linington from Notebookchect.net writes, "The backlash around Nvidia’s AI push and DLSS 5 has opened a broader question in game development. Beyond performance and image quality, veteran artists are now weighing what AI-driven rendering means for authorship and visual control. If a system can add or reinterpret detail after the fact, the issue is no longer just technical. It becomes a question of how much of the final image still belongs to the people who built it."

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NVIDIA DLSS 4.5 Frame Gen 5x & 6x Come to RTX 50 Series GPUs + Dynamic Multi Frame Gen

The latest GeForce driver introduces DLSS 4.5 Multi Frame Generation 5x and 6x alongside Dynamic Multi Frame Generation to RTX 50-series GPUs. The former increases the number of interpolated frames to 4 and 5 (between every two rendered frames), further reducing reliance on the CPU.

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blacktiger61d ago

Big corp bowing down to another big corp is nothing more than helping each other. But try any games it doesn't work

Smellsforfree61d ago

I don't mind frame gen but only use it if I'm already >70fps without it. It is kinda nice but if I see any visual artifacts I will turn it off. Whenever I'm playing games on my 120Hz LG C3 I will almost never use it because frame rates >120fps look really bad. I think spatial super sampling is a far more interesting and beneficial tech than frame gen. Boosting 30fps to 60fps with framegen is just garbage.

SimpleDad60d ago

Tvs were doing this 15 years ago with their telenovela effect... Idk how anyone can play with this on.

There is definitely input lag there and artifacts.

CornholioX60d ago

It's commercial how they show it. Typical any company does that.

Goodguy0160d ago (Edited 60d ago )

Frame gen just has too much latency and visual glitches for me, don't think I can ever use it for most games. I'd compare with it on and off and it's a world of difference in the feel. I need the very least input lag in my gaming. Companies should rely on actual optimization. As for potato hardware, I suppose it could have it's use.

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Is the AI Push in AAA Gaming Giving Indie Developers A Golden Ticket?

WTMG's Jordan Hawes: "With the advent of NVIDIA's DLSS 5 tools, and the whole debacle surrounding AI usage in AAA gaming, is this new push an opportunity for smaller studios to showcase they are the ones vouching for artistic integrity in the gaming industry?"

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Obelisk9271d ago

They already are. Indie studios are the only developers that constantly strive to publish innovative and experimental experiences. There has been little to no art in AAA gaming, with just a few exceptions.

Yi-Long71d ago

Indie-studios have been showcasing their creative superiority and bravery over AAA-studios/releases for a while now.

Personally. I have zero interest in AI slop in any of my entertainment, so regardless of what Sony, Ubisoft, MS, EA, etc believe the future is, I'm just not gonna touch any of that stuff.

blacktiger71d ago

Everything you said but for me MS is always the problem.

isarai_lee71d ago

One more thing in a long list of things that already give indie Games an advantage

Miacosa71d ago (Edited 71d ago )

In reality a dev having a simplistic tech statck does not really impact the end user experience. If the game is good and worth playing is what matters. In other words some cooks make care if 2 or 3 eggs were used to make a cake but the person eating it doesn't. And in the case of DLSS 5 the chef is soley responsible for the recipe and how its mixed together.