I know , and I hate myself for coming here but its like a damn train wreck or something ...cant look away even though I don't really want to see it ...

It's tolerable. I just noticed a little. I'm sure they will fix it with a patch.

Why if it's not noticeable and/or doesn't effect the gameplay whatsoever? I quite enjoy the crystal clear graphics. Just saying..

@psplova

But FPS is tied directly to gameplay, there is no way around this. The Last of Us on PS4 4 allows players to choose a 60 fps "unlocked" or a 30fps "locked" setting in the options.

While obviously this game cant handle a stable 30fps there have been console games in the past that allowed you to disable things such as anti aliasing. It isn't hard to implement and would be a welcomed feature.

Jagged edges I can ignore they have no bearing on gameplay whatsoever. Stuttering on the other hand I cannot.

@stringerbell: considering the great reviews and love this game is receiving overall, it doesn't appear to affect gameplay at all.

In fact, this is the first I've heard of framerate issues.

Play with your kids. They'll love it. ;)

They are obsessed because they have to keep feeding their delirious fan base that the machine is ultra powerful. Sony fans don't care about gameplay, what matters is only if they have 1080p bragging rights over the X1 fans. I have both systems but play mainly on PC because I want higher resolutions AND a high framerate. Any game that can't handle 30fps is pathetic. Racing and fighting games under 60fps is a complete joke. Somehow gameplay doesn't seem to matter to consolers this generation.

Maybe next we can get another article about what great weather effects DC has!

@ kstuffs (mostly)

Propaganda can only go so far, it is a fact that PS4 has more games that run at 1080p 60fps than xbone.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

The real proof is multiplatform games, games that appear on both PS4 and xbone. Compared to xbone multiplatform games run either the same framerate/resolution on PS4 or better, but never worse on PS4.

Many multiplatform games run at a higher framerate on PS4 with the same or better resolution. I could list the games like Tomb Raider, Warframe, Murdered Soul Suspect ect that run at 60fps on PS4 but only 30fps on xbone. The list of games that run 1080/60 on PS4 and sub 1080/60 on xbone is huge. Your bias claims that PS4 can't handle 60fps are utter bs. PS4 has more 60fps games than xbone.

Sony is obsessed with making excellent games that are visually impressive. Resogun, Warthunder, TLoU, Rocket League, Ethan Carter, Blacklight, Journey, GoW 3, MLB The Show, Uncharted 4 (mp) ect all run at (1080p) 60fps bc that's what was best for those specific games. Driveclub, The Order, 2nd Son, Until Dawn ect run sub 60fps bc that's what was deemed best for those specific games. How many people complained about the visuals (including framerate) in DC, The Order, & 2nd Son? On the contrary people raved about the visuals.

Extra point: Until Dawn is a cinematic game meant to emulate a horror film. Movies are 24fps, the need for an ultra high framerate in a game like this is unwarranted. The framerate in Tell Tale games is far more stuttering and inconsistent. I don't recall framerate being a major point of emphasis in reviews either (for Until Dawn). As well, the game is being patched and is less than a week old. People love Until Dawn.

@ oldDude

So by your logic Forza Horizon 2 is a complete joke.

Your thinking is very boxed in and antiquated. I noticed you did not condemn next-gen games that are below 1080p, don't you think that is a joke too?

Wth do you mean Sony doesn't care about gameplay? Have you played Resogun, TLoU, Bloodborne, Galak-Z, N++, Rocket League, Axiom Verge? What was wrong with the gameplay in inFAMOUS?
Are you implying that if a game isn't 60fps it has bad gameplay?

You do realize that half of those DC weather articles were attempting to say P Cars or forza 6 now had better weather right? Except they were wrong and it just turned into a celebration of how amazing DC's weather continues to be. You aren't tired of the "Crackdown will be the best game ever bc of cloud destruction (in mp only)" articles? Or how dx12 will make the xbone 20x more powerful. For an "impartial" gamer you certainly like to attack 1 company in particular.

I guess everybody seems to love a "pathetic" game in Until Dawn. Was Witcher pathetic and not worth playing on console bc of the framerate problems it had?

When playing Until Dawn it feels very good and the overall experience is wonderful. For a new ip with so many choices and such a progressive butterfly effect system it actually runs pretty well at launch. Until Dawn overall is a terrific game with fantastic gameplay and an inconceivable amount of meaningful choice.

The Witcher has very different gameplay mechanics to Until Dawn.

That's why the Witcher was left virtually unplayable with a low framerate whilst Until Dawn is perfectly playable with no problems.

Yet, TLOU on PS3 got near perfect scores with framerate dips.

The Metacritic scores for TLOU on both PS3 and PS4 are 95... Why does this game get nailed yet TLOU doesn't?

A solid game is a solid game framerate dips to really low areas for long periods can affect it's scores. But, framerate dips that are pretty minor like in this game should not.

It doesn't matter if it's a clearer image. Because solid framerate is FAR more important than any kind of graphics.

Denial comes into play when you're speaking negatively about someone's console of choice.

@aquaticDonut + 17m ago
It doesn't matter if it's a clearer image. Because solid framerate is FAR more important than any kind of graphics.

So on the same token, since this is really just the start of the generation and many have given Microsoft's Graphics problems for resolution a certain leeway, would that Also apply to Sony about being able to further refine their tool chains to gather better results with the tools they use?

This game was not made with the recent update included..so I'm sure that would be a performance hit for games just now releasing with not been able to take advantage of the new Api updates. Like it could Infact be able to be patched to fix the frame rate dips.

I mean its only fair right?
Many stated well that game such and such was not made with the newest DurectX12, well recently Sony updated its Api tools also.

So why no leeway for Sony?

Yes, correct, ..and those are 2 different studios both respectively good. Under your presumption you act like every studio is the same and should reach the same bar with differently skilled employees and different budgets and sizes of resources.

The game engine alone plays a massive part in this. It isn't so clean cut as you put it. One engine might be more optimized.

Also do they need an excuse? Who do they owe an excuse to? You? Because you have some first wold self entitlement that all games should be a solid 30fps?

If the technical side of the studio says listen. At best we are walking and solving puzzles while the experience itself is based of decisions and graphical fidelity. If we keep this game between 20 and 30 fps we can use those resources in other area's like affects or texturing, More lod, Draw distance etc.

This same thing is used in inverse when an xbox game needs to go from 900p to 1080p with a patch cause fans demand it. They typically need to cut assets in some shape to get that resolution. This mostly comes to using technologies that dynamically cut/add based on the resources needed. Mostly this generation its dynamic scaling or MSAA.

Now with the amount of resources the PS4 has there is and it's no secret it has more then the Xbox One. This same very game, would be 15fps minus on the one regardless. I would rather have a game that doesn't really need 60fps and still plays fine then not at all.

As someone who is in the computer science world its clear cut your premise is based of a misunderstanding of how games are built and what goes into it.

@PudgeyBurrito

"Also do they need an excuse? Who do they owe an excuse to? You? Because you have some first wold self entitlement that all games should be a solid 30fps? "

oh come on now it’s too much to ask for 30fps ؟ for better experience to the player ?

and yeah when developers makes a game with 24-20fps we should clap to them because smooth frame rate is a first wold self entitlement

god what i was thinking when i said 30fps

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@JasonKCK +
This doesn't even have anything to do with MS, you're deflecting.

I'm sure if Sony did what you are implying, many here would than point out see there really is no power difference and this proves it.

UD was not even a PS4 game at 1st it was being made for the PS3. So again we have heard over and over again how such and such game did not get the benefits of DirectX12, but it seems if you point out that very same idea that Maybe this game did not benefit from the new Api tools for the PS4 its now ..oh no that cannot be it, god forbid that there is no way that could be the issue.

Again you asking or even Implying Sony not to advance its drive for better resolutions for its game, over what you stated about performance? What you do not think Sony can get performance and high resolution out of the PS4. And I asked you that very Question and its you who are deflecting, by saying this is not about Microsoft.

OK let's than take Microsoft out of the equation. Can Sony have High 1080P 60/fps games on the PS4 hardware?
It seems many such as your self do not seem to think so , because why else would you want to limit the advancements for the PS4 platform.

The fact you even implied that Sony needs to allow developers to choose less than only 1080P as in forced proved to me you are just Muppeting that this is a PS4 hardware issue. And that your again implying the PS4 performance is not going to grow.

Again, this has nothing to do With Xbox, MS, or DX. Why do you keep bringing it up?