Just for the record, he is right, a lot of people don't care for MGS.

I have no interest in either, but I would play Mad Max before I would ever consider MGS.

I was just talking about MGSV to a group of my gaming buddies on another forum the other day and we all pretty much agreed that MGS2 was so awful we'll never play another one.

I know that a ton of people still love the series, and that's fine, but denying that there are also people that don't like it is pretty silly.

There are plenty of ways to be able to play new releases without spending full price. Gamefly and redbox are both options in the U.S. not sure about abroad. Redbox lets you reserve new releases and pick them up the day of release. And im sure most people know how gamefly works. Those are just two options for people who want to new releases on limited funds.

Man you people are way to sensitive. MGS4 did 4.3M in sales, that is like 1/20th of the PS3 install base, not to mention all the gamers who didn't own a PS3, gaming on Wii, 360 and PC. You wanna take it further MGS4 sold 4.3M with a global population of over 7 billion. I wasn't wrong, it isn't just my "truth," it is reality. Sorry you don't agree but you are wrong
MGS5 will sell better because it is jumping from one platform to 5, but don't be fooled, all the huge MGS fans are on PlayStation, many, many people don't care whatsoever for the franchise. I for one have had MGS5 installed on my Xbox for 2 weeks now, and I'm not buying mad max.

And how many of those people who are Mad Max fans are gamers? I've enjoyed all of the movies myself, but there's simply no debate. Metal Gear Solid V is going to do very well. Better than Mad Max. I'm quite confident in that, being on 5 platforms and all. Even then, I doubt the PS3 and Xbox 360 will be necessary to do that.

You must be trolling.

EDIT: about Metal Gear Solid 4's sales... You must have forgotten that Metal Gear Solid 4 was not released when PS3 had 80 million sales. At that point, you couldn't find it new and, surprise, people bought it used.

Common sense on that one.

@XBLSkull

MGS is an iconic video game franchise no matter how you slice it. This new entry is far more easier for a modern gamer to get into. Sure, they don't know a lot of story. But, the gameplay is very inviting in this one.

Mad Max looks fantastic. But, to even think it will outsell MGS as a chance is purely stupidity. It won't.

Everyone knew what you meant by "there are more people who don't play MGS compared to the people who do". You were trying to belittle the total amount of gamers that want MGS to that of Mad Max. MGS isn't a niche game. You think 4 million sales is nothing just because the console sales are twenty times higher? This one game has 4 million sales on one console. Millions of which are fans of the entire franchise ready to purchase the new one. The new entry is far more accessible and likeable for a modern gamer because it has everything they want as well as the unique MGS style.

Ah, and. As of 2012 MGS4 was just under 6 million sales. That's a bit higher mate.

Why do you have to go and mix opinion with what you believe will realistically happen? Mad Max will sell very well and it looks like it deserves that. Whether you think it looks better doesn't matter to what is real here. Yeah. Sure, you have the new MGS on your XBox. Sure, you also aren't supposedly going to buy Mad Max when it looks great as a video game. But, here you are hyping a new IP with no coherent thought or reason other than 4 million sales on a single platform not being good enough for you.

MGS is getting perfect review scores left and right, has a huge established fan base and is also possibly the last in the vast franchise and is going out with a tremendous bang in all areas to finish the story, also Kojima's last confirmed MGS title and he made the franchise, every serious gamer knows about him. Perfect scores, well established franchise, last game in franchise with giant hype train, from the reviews it looks to surpass the hype, it is more accessible to new games used to open world and more freedom with missions(you do NOT have to be stealthy in this game and stealth genres are NOT unpopular).

You're just silly.

XBLskull

But couldn't we say the same about every gaming series? The number of people who don't play it will always outnumber those who actually will

Metal gear solid 4 came out back Than when the ps3 install Base wasn't as big

Also for a console exclusive it did quite well and made an impact for ps3

I am buying mad max and mgs 5. But to say mad max may outsell mgs 5 is just insane. There has been no review for mad max yet and that's not a good sign for a newly released game

Mad max may do 3 plus million max

Mgs 5 can do 7 to 10 million on 3 platforms(os4, Xbox one and pc)

There will be those who will buy mgs 5 and those who will buy mad max and than some like me who will buy both and enjoy

Do your "off the top of your head statistics" include people that don't own a console, pc, a home, electricity and/or a pulse because then yes you're correct in your statement.

Lets just look at some MGS sales figures

PS MGS 6.03M (102.49M consoles) 5.8% attach rate
PS2 MGS2 6.05M (153.6M consoles) 3.9% attach rate
PS2 MGS3 4.23M 2.7% attach rate
PS3 MGS4 5.97M (80.46M consoles) 7.4% attach rate.

Xbox MGS2 0.62M (24M consoles) 2.5% attach rate

PS3 Ground Zeros 0.55M 0.6% attach rate
PS4 Ground Zeros 1.10M (24.8M consoles) 4.4% attach rate

X1 Ground Zeros 0.24M (13.6M consoles) 1.7% attach rate
X360 Ground Zeros 0.12M (80.44M consoles) 0.1% attach rate

An average of 3.2% attach rate for these titles. Times that by the sales of all consoles it will be available, roughly 199M, and you get 6.37M sales - now that isn't counting PC and who knows how good it'll do in that space, but PC elitist mentality is that console games suck and they just want Star Citizen cause its the best thing ever, lol. I think it would be real surprising if we see 7 million with this game.

First off my 4.3M sales figure for MGS4 was just a quick google search, I apologize if that was incorrect, these figures are from vgchartz.

I mean you can clearly see the trend with PlayStation that it is around 6M people who play MGS. It has stayed nearly the same throughout its history. We all know the people who bought MGS were the people who bought 2, bought 3, and bought 4. It's a good amount of sales for sure but not amazing. You can also clearly see Xbox fans buy somewhere between 1/10th to 1/5th the copies that PS owners bought in their respective games, in short most people on Xbox don't really care for the most part. And judging off of Ground Zeros sales, 1.1M on PS4 with like 20+ million consoles sold, we are still looking at a attach rate of around 1/20th of the available consoles. We'll probably see that 6M figure the past games did across all 5 platforms combined. I myself am not a MGS guy, but I am a stealth guy and that is why I'm picking it up. Though I do find Splinter Cell to be a much, much better stealth series, there is no Splinter Cell on the horizon and that's why I'll be using this as my fix for now. I don't really know anything about Mad Max, but in the real world I haven't heard anyone say anything about MGS5 but I know a lot who are excited for Mad Max, I'm not interested in it at all myself, I only watched the reveal trailer years ago or whenever and didn't care about the game. I'm not saying Mad Max is going to sell more copies than MGS5, I'm just saying that it would not surprise me if it did.

@XBLSkull,

Since you conveniently ignored my comment that pokes a hole in your entire sales argument, I'll offer you an annotated version for the sake of brevity:

Sales only count new copies, but keep telling yourself that "only ~6M people play Metal Gear Solid games".

Used copies of any game are not accounted for. Even then, your are counting final console install bases when the games don't release at the end of the generation.

Since you and others so quickly suggest the PlayStation 4 has no games for the rest of the year, I'd say it's going to do swimmingly.

Don't you think?

@Fin_The_Human - Yes, you would be correct, I was referring to the fact that MGS is a sub genre of Military Action games (spy craft, for lack of a better term) heavily reliant on stealth gameplay mechanics, it has a very specific demographic it caters to (it isn't out to cater to everyone).

@Summons75 & Paytaa - Its audience might have gotten bigger, but that doesn't make it any less niche (neither does the fact that MM is also niche). Besides, household name? That's a bit of a stretch don't you think? I know plenty of people that wouldn't recognize the Metal Gear name, its elements, or that it is even a game.