I think he meant "us" as in we, all xbox gamers combined, and not US as in United States. Just putting it out there :D

Lmao that was funny

I'm trying to follow the joke. Is it the us/U.S. part or where you mention the rest of the world and Xbox together? :(

"If the future is 3 months out of the year then yes."

It wonder what people are gonna use when the 2016 xbox line up kills this kind of commenting. They have too many titles to be bunged all up in the last three months of the year.

Yes you're right, Sony is very good at delaying their titles during the holidays so you have more to play in February.

20% increase at 60fps is 12 frames increase not 2fps. (60/100)x20

@darequitus I think he knows that 2 fps is not a 20% increase, i think he's just trying to make a point, like the reason the xbox one may have a higher increase is because the starting fps is different on both platforms. Lets use the example by Kenshin although a gain of 2 fps on both pc and xbox one are the same amount, the starting point determines the percentage. Lets say for the xbox the starting point is 30 fps and the pc is 60 fps lets use maths here.
For xbox one 2/30x100=6.66%
For PC 2/60x100=3.33%
Although the performance increase number is the same, the percentage is different because the starting fps are not the same as each other. Hence why the guy said the performance gain percentage is slightly more than pc. But to add to that, i dont see how the xbox one has a slightly higher percentage increase, i would've expected the pc to have a much higher gain.

The goal post always moves I tell you lol!

Oh the PS4 has already won. I don't think there's any way Xbox will catch up, but it's still successful in its own right. It's not as powerful, but I still prefer its features and games, and it's been somewhat fascinating to watch it evolve from the horror show that was E3 2013.

I don't think it will catch ps4 either due to people just not knowing. The truth is coming to light and yes X1 will become much more popular. Sony just seems to have the name many trust. You say PS4 is stronger but stop it already because it is not. Cloud and DX12 activate X1 and take it far beyond this uneducated way of thinking. The games will talk and already are in some regards when you look at what's coming this and next year alone. PS4 is simply and inferior device with inferior services just somehow winning due to hype and unkowing.

I'm willing to bet there will be a PS5 years before the next Xbox which will still take years to come close to the power of X1.

@beans

the ps4 is not inferior, not sure where you get that idea. even games released now favor the ps4 in performance. the proof is in the product, that's not to say dx12 and the cloud can't help the xbox one but so far the games still have a technical edge on the ps4.

Called advertisement, xb1 and ps4 could never handle physx features or other Nvidia tech related features. You need the hardware of nvidia to use those features and the consoles dont have them. They did the same thing with Project cars, where they advertised the logo withib the tracks.

From simply reading the clickbait of a title would lead you to my question. Yes, I did read it. Doesn't mean I can't ask the question as it seems to imply all games.

@GreenUp

Wait a minute....so you read the article, in which he talks about DX12 application in his own game...yet still ask "what proof" and "what game", calling his own proof ( his own game) "hearsay"?

PC games are not optimized for 10s or 100s of hardware configurations. Never have been, never will. They're optimized for Direct3d or OpenGL API execution and for x86-64 processor instruction set. ALL Intel, AMD, and nVidia GPU's and CPU's old and new work since they all adhere to these API\instruction sets.

If what you claim was the truth, please explain why games don't need updates to be compatible with the newest hardware? If you actually think they have to optimize\code games for every single specific Intel and AMD CPU, and the hundreds of AMD and nVidia graphics cards.... you're as clueless as a console peasant can possibly be.

@Andrew

On a console the game code can be optimized for specific hardware, written without a bulkier API and then specific options scaled or toggled to provide a predictable experience. .. thats in terms of a port. For software built for the console specifically it can be a huge optimization process where instead of using an API to talk to a driver it's talking directly.

On pc the game uses an API to talk to the driver, which is the equivalent of a low level API , so after the driver which is optimized to take and translate directx commands it goes to the hardware. Examples of optimizing this are amds Mantle and many of the improvements in dx12.

The pc version of a game will still require optimizing on some level this is why some games in benchmarks seem to run best on Nvidia hardware or amd. You'll see examples of two gpus and two game benchmarks , one game running better on Nvidia and vice versa. That's to do with how well the game talks to the hardware, going through dx aor Ogl/glx and the driver.

PC will never be as optimized as a console unless nobody bothers to optimize on the console. Dx12 is a step closer but it's still not quite the same.

Thankfully in the pc world people buy more expensive and more robust hardware to overcome the inefficiency.

Any pc gamer who wishes to debate this can choose a console and look at its specs and try to imagine that consoles best games running on an equivalent pc.

Dreamcast was 200mhz, 24mb of memory if I'm right includes video memory. Shenmue, Sega gt, phantasy star online, jet set radio, soul calibur. These games will not run and look the same on a windows pc with a 200mhz cpu and 24mb combined memory, even at 640x480 as on dreamcast, THAT'S what programming to the hardware does. I choose dreamcaat there because it looks more dramatic when referening 200mhz.

I work with computers for a living, and love pcs so zero hate for PC just that pc doesn't need coddling or apologetics like a console does, it stands on its own so no need to pull punches. Anybody knows a new skylake proc with 32gb of ddr4 and a fat 980 with an ssd would crush a console it's just not in the same league like a Ferrari vs a civic.

@dreadz : "Ya really why bother make and bring the api to XB1 then?"

Even if it didn't do much they would bring it as it makes game porting easier from PC etc. A unified API across platforms is easier to program for than all kinds of different ones.

Crackdown 3 lol

A tech demo of the online portion of one unreleased game which aside from the physics looks dead average hasn't and won't shut anybody up. Least of all now long before release.

The cloud. So it looks like MS is slowly implementing their plans of "always online, deal with it" after all.

I still would like to be able to play things offline too though.

First off, I didn't name any specific group. I said "People," and "They." Not once did I say Sony fans, Sony fanboys, or anything in relation to Sony. I was talking about all of the doubters. You do realize there are Xbox gamers that doubted MS as well right? So chill with your little rant.

Destruction is gameplay not graphics. If you're in a building and it's about to topple over, that's gameplay. Particle effects are graphics which has a year left to be implemented so don't worry they'll add it.

Poor how is the Sony crusade going?

You really seem to hate everything MS and feel sorry for you.

Pre alpha, it was even on the videos, you must be hard of thinking or a very infantile insecure manlet.

From what developers said they would have to build their games from the ground up with DX12 in mind. Thats the main reason why they can't just patch the APIs improvements into their DX11 and DX10 based games. The Witcher 3 is an example of this.

But building a game to take full advantage of DX12 takes time. Which is why I'm questioning on when all 3rd party games will be built for DX12.

There isnt a magical switch that you can flip to convert a DX11 game into a DX12 game.

Im not doubting if future games will use it im only questioning when they will use it.

Theres really no need to get aggresive here.

@MasterCornholio it will take time, but ultimately the DX12 will get the job done to 3rd parties.

Now if it will be huge or small improvement I do not know only time will tell, but it will be an improvement overall and that is a fact comparing the capabilities of DX12 from previous DX11.

I'm not aggressive, sorry if you took it like that

Well I'm just happy that I successfully cleared up my comment for you.

It will take time but in the end the system will benefit from DX12. Now what it will achieve I have no idea. I do know that we shouldn't expect the system to do more than what its hardware allows it to do.

I kind of have my doubts on Gears of War Ultimate edition but the rest seem likely to me.

Thanks for sharing.

As for the source being Wikipedia its best to take it with a grain of salt as it can be very wrong.

Thats right. Didnt Nintendo do that with the 3DS ? Did that alienate the customer base ? Oh, and why is it fine to change other peripherals, but the not beef up the gpu ? Most customers arent technsavvy enough to change the HDD of the PS3, yet Sony made several revisions to the HDD configuration of the PS3. And doesnt a 12Gb PS3 make it practically mandatory to add a HDD ? The clever thing to do would indeed be to release substantial hardware updates as they become available and cheaper, thus breaking the x years console lifecycle. As I see it, the cemented 5 years paradigm holds development back for both consoles and PCs, and if the same gpu cost 20% less two years later, the console builders could upgrade the hardware, while making it slimmer and keep the same price when selling it. I mean everybody who owns a car or a cell phine is accustomed to that kind of cycle, who keeps their 600 dollars phone 7 years nowadays ? As long as the games run better, smoother, more detailed, I bet customers would follow.And developers could male smoother transitions between generations, as the upgrades would be not so shockingly different between generations.

changing HD space is not the same thing...

you cant just decide to change hardware in a console.. then devs have two consoles to develop for.... it just wont happen

as for the life cycle... well... id prefer to not have to buy all new controllers, remotes and headsets etc every couple years... as long as developers continue to push ahead with optimization then i see no need for a new console gen.. figure this one may be 5-6yrs long

shame the games don't look 50% more different, apart from resolution there isn't much difference between the consoles, having owned both i can say, both consoles have sub hd games, visually there isn't much at all. xbox one just has better features & online so i tend to use it more.

x1 optimisations are really pushing the performance and it's evidently caught up, just like articles have suggested. 20% more, cpu is very important to maintain a stable fps, and the ps4 is lacking not only missing out on dx12, but having a slower cpu too.

we get it, you're in love with your ps4 but there isn't much difference, you want the best graphics, go get a pc, at least the online will actually be more stable too.

Ha ha. Disagrees. The Last of Us, GT6, Uncharted 2+3, I guess the Cell was shite? My bad.

This is n4g dude.

You can say "I like spaghetti " and get disagrees.

It would be epic!

At this point I don't even think theey are trolls on either side. Taking a side in the consolewar stories looks more like a sport to me, argument vs argument and the one with the most dislikes wins ..its more entertaining than the most matches in the WWE currently lol

No I'm not kidding. This is what happens just read some articles and the comments on here from articles that say DX12 doesn't help much. You will see Sony fans agreeing,and Xbox fans saying these people are wrong. And Xbox fanboys do the same with PS.
What does this have to do with my comment?

Read articles and opinions and you find PlayStation fanboys are some of the most delusional sheep on the planet. Just yesterday someone commented that Sony has cut back on exclusives because of financial reasons. This is probably completely true. It would just make good business sense because Sony's CEO admitted six of ten exclusives lose money. Anyone that has read the business section or just articles on this site knows Sony has had major financial issues over the last ten years. Sony fanboys refuse to accept it even the market cap went from near 100 billion down to 18 at one point. From a grade A stock to currently junk bond status. That's some major delusions.

I've said for years many of those same Sony exclusives were money losers. Even when backed up by the company CEO, they still disagree. The idea that the PS4 is fifty percent more powerful. Then why are Xbox games even hitting 900p. Shouldn't they be 720. Ignoring what the cloud brings to gaming. Though that is a lack of imagination and actually makes me happy. Happy because if so many are so shortsighted it leaves a lot of room for creative people to get ahead.

Last generation they argued that there were more ps3s in the wild because of rrod. I agree. But then they refuse to admit games sold better on Xbox when the reality was it was matching or exceeding PlayStation sales with a fifteen to twenty million console deficit.

Here's the reality. Xbox One is a more efficient, better designed machine. That's why it will achieve 1080p on most games. The cloud will improve gameplay on Xbox over PlayStation and there is nothing Sony can do about that this generation because there are things in Xbox Ones design PS4 just doesn't have. Xbox One will close the sales gap over the next few years. Microsoft will go toe to toe with Sony on exclusives. They set aside one billion for games. That is a lot of exclusives, especially when you're not buying early access to DLC.

PS4 is slightly more powerful. But it won't come close to being enough to make up for Xbox Ones cloud capabilities. It's not all about destruction. There are a ton of different things that can be done with it. Example: Forza Drivatar is following you as you race. A frustrating thing is losing your connection during a private league race. With the cloud following the race, your Drivatar could take over and you could resync to your car once you get back online.

And as far as what people have said about DX12 in the past, it's called playing coy. If you want to talk previous articles, look up the one where they had a group of developers in for a private meeting and the developers said they couldn't understand why Microsoft won't just come out and say and show all the things Xbox One could do.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

That was a very long reply that boils down to you dislike PlayStation fans and believe they are the only ones guilty of b.s.
Sony as a huge corporation with many divisions has money problems. PlayStation is 1 of if not there only current success. There is no way to know exactly how many people actually owned 360s or ps3s due to multiple purchases. For both consoles.
XB1 is more efficient and better designed machine so it will also make 1080p games. Just like the PS4. So they are equal. Unless you consider to date PS4 has more 1080p games.