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Crackdown 3 Dev Explains Why Cloud Based Destruction Won't Be Present In Single Player

Not everyone is "always online" and heroes are not meant to destroy cities.

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SaveFerris3904d ago

Maybe not for this game, but future single player titles could use the tech. I can't wait to see what developers can do with this.

gameseveryday3904d ago

Absolutely. Just imagine Red Faction...if that was possible on last gen tech, I cant wait to see developers harness the full potential of cloud in the coming years.

christocolus3903d ago

His reply does make a lot of sense

1. not everyone is online

2. As the Hero your job is to protect the city, not destroy it.

Well said. and how would we get the orbs if the city was 100% destructible?

Looking forward to Crackdown 3.I'm happy David Jones is back.

Volkama3903d ago (Edited 3903d ago )

Nah that good guys don't destroy cities line is pure PR bull. The game could feature massive destruction physics without encouraging the player to destroy everything. Could be part of a running comedy skit as the agency struggle to pay out for your damages to the city, and you could get additional rewards for playing missions out responsibly. Or you could have fun wreaking the city.

There is no way in a million years that cutting off cloud compute is making the game better. It is a purely commercial decision. I'm not saying it is necessarily a bad decision, just calling it out for what it is.

freshslicepizza3903d ago

ask yourself this, how many here would complain big time if the game required an online connection? that is the only way they could get that kind of destruction by using the power of the cloud. the way they are doing this is much better.

Volkama3903d ago

@moldybread that's one factor in a commercial decision, yes.

As I say, I'm not disputing the decision. I just don't accept the PR reasoning that "We chose not to use 20x more compute resource because the campaign is better without it".

freshslicepizza3903d ago

@Volkama,
"As I say, I'm not disputing the decision. I just don't accept the PR reasoning that "We chose not to use 20x more compute resource because the campaign is better without it".

agreed. imagine a gang of really bad guys with very powerful weapons who are intent on blowing up the city and it's your job to stop them. i think they made a conscious decision during development that they could not have as much destruction as they would like due to the limitations of the hardware so they tailored the games campaign around that.

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donthate3904d ago

I think unfortunately like the original always-on policies, the naysayers and people without internet will hold you back.

People screamed really loud last time this was tried so I don't think it will happen. Believe me, I want it to happen!

RzaDaRazor3904d ago

There's many "always online" games. This would be no different.

user99502793904d ago

As much as we all know they'd like to, that vocal minority cant stop online gaming. The demand is too great.

Yetter3903d ago

somebody just has to do it and the sales will shut up the naysayers. Seriously, who doesn't have the internet?

dcbronco3903d ago

Hate there is no way anyone should be letting a relative handful of whiners stop anything from moving forward. Many people didn't have broadband when Live launched. Sometimes business has to take a"If you build it they will come" approach. This is one of those cases. Also given that the vast majority of the whining was from people who will never buy your product anyway because of biased idiocy you have to ignore them and push ahead. The Crackdown footage has made that clear. Now they only talk about their consoles ability to do it and quietly disagree with every favorable comment about Microsoft. No one should give people that pathetic a second thought.

AngelicIceDiamond3903d ago

How is that Bungie, Bethesda and numerous online games across X1 and PS4 can get away with always online but MS can't?

Yeah the reveal 2 years ago ok well its not DRM its a game that's always online.

This would be no different than the rest.

DevilOgreFish3903d ago

I think they seem to be also concerned with how destructible environments would change the single player story. If you read further on they say -

"It’s too fundamental of a game design change to make it an option. It changes literally everything.”

I mean theoretically if you could blowup everything, where would your objectives come from? you may even ruin certain objectives for yourself. apposed to multiplayer where none of that really matters.

they would need to work around scripted events and places you need to stay around for story. they may decide to bring it to single player with necessary changes down the road.

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Aenea3903d ago

Hmm, not so sure, I don't mind always online games myself (unless there's an outage then I curse them! :)), but EA is getting a lot of flak for the new NFS's need to be always online. People don't even want to buy it because of it, so I can fully understand they are hesitant to use this tech in singleplayer mode as well...

medman3903d ago

The simple fact is it won't be in single player because the environment is too big...much easier to make it possible in a limited multiplayer map than in an entire gaming world. It's the same reason Uncharted single player is 30 fps and they're targeting 60 fps for the multiplayer.

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KingKionic 3904d ago (Edited 3904d ago )

Understandable for single player because agents are suppose to save the city.

But the hype is real.

Crackdown 3 release will be a cultural shock on the gaming.

I cant wait for jumping through windows chasing down enemies or players taking down buildings. Shooting gas pipes in buildings to push the debris on enemies.

Its gonna be a thrill. Get on the train.

Skills for KILLS agent!

KingKionic 3903d ago

HA! Probably wont see the Shai Gen this time in Crackdown 3 because its a new city though.

It would be nice to see another type of triads style type of boss and enemies.

gangsta_red3904d ago

I can understand why in SP just because of the gameplay in past Crackdowns. Killing innocents aggro'd the city police just like in GTA games. I can only imagine if you blew up a bridge filled with pedestrians that then fell on a crowd of other pedestrians below would do.

Not to mention leveling the city would just break the game.

AngelicIceDiamond3903d ago

Yeah the team is still trying to sell us a single player game. If the single player has story progression I might jump in that for a bit but I know the real fun is in MP.

But like I said before I'm sure MS wants to get this game into many hands as possible. They're still trying to sell a AAA game not a destruction simulator. So a full blow SP is needed in that case.

skydragoonityx3904d ago

I can only look up to the clouds.

medman3903d ago

I hate to break it to you, but those clouds are full of shite. Don't step in it. You've been fooled before.

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Tencent to buy Crackdown and Sackboy developer Sumo in $1.3bn deal

Tencent is set to buy Sumo Group in a deal worth $1.27bn (£919m), the companies have announced.

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Darkborn1735d ago

Tencent is really buying up everything. I'm surprised everyone is selling to them like this.

Rebel_Scum1735d ago

They want/need capital I guess.

darthv721735d ago

No way they are worth that much. They are a support studio. I guess tencent decided to throw them an insane price that Sumo would be crazy to turn down.

Its like the godfather. "Im going to make you an offer you cant refuse"

UltraNova1734d ago

Always the case.

Who owns the rights to Crackdown and Sackboy IPs though?

boing11735d ago

I've heard some time ago, that they created a special unit that has a mission to search for acquirable devs all around the globe.

-Foxtrot1735d ago

Going off their business practices they seem like a cancer in this industry

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blacktiger1735d ago

chinese currency, no limit in printing, but they are selling in USD

PrinceAli1734d ago

Maybe because they're a publisher of games with a history of success loool..?

barom1734d ago

Even Microsoft can’t compete with that kind of money.

Zeref1734d ago (Edited 1734d ago )

Uhm yes they can.. What do you mean?

Zeref1734d ago

Money talks, Besides, those developers don't need to worry about income anymore.

enkiduxiv1734d ago

I doubt anyone that matters to the actual production of the games is getting a raise. The only thing that has changed is that now they can't buy any Winnie the Poo products for their kids.

senorfartcushion1734d ago

Well they’re allowed. America and China are leading the world in toxic capitalism.

n1kki61734d ago

As publicly traded companies it's either they sell and potentially get more, or tencent initiates a hostile takeover and buys at least 51% of the shares. These companies might not even be amicable to the buy out but opt to take it because hostile takeovers are terrible.

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frostypants1734d ago (Edited 1734d ago )

Yep. A company that built itself by ripping off IP of small, innovative developers and out-marketing them. Tencent is everything wrong not just with gaming but corporate ethics in general, and the assymetric regulatory playing field we for some reason permit from the Chinese government. Egregiously corrupt companies like Tencent should be banned from the US market.

senorfartcushion1734d ago

The US market would take Tencent to dinner and have it naked on the bed by midnight if it could. America and China are as bad as each other

Lightning771734d ago

They can take Sumo those devs really aren't that great. Sack boys big adventure scored good however but Crackdown 3 wasn't great. They're 50/50 Sony will find a suitable replacement for Sack boy. MS desperately needs a suitable replacement for crackdown, if it's not already too late in terms of fanfare at this point.

Sumo to me isn't that big of a deal there are better devs out there.

senorfartcushion1734d ago

Crackdown 3 was cancelled and remade a few times. Hardly their fault.

darthv721734d ago

This is the same Sumo who made Outrun 2, 2006 Coast to Coast, Sonic Racing Transformed as well as Forza Horizon 2 on the 360. I think they are better than you give them credit for.

Wulfer1734d ago

You might want to walk this statement back. Why else do you think this game goes for over $200 now?

https://www.ebay.com/p/5144...

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ScootaKuH1735d ago

I'm surprised Sumo are valued so high

solideagle1735d ago

yeah, thats what I thought. $1.3 billion is very high, Insomniac sounds like a bargain deal for Sony!

chadwarden1735d ago

And they likely bought Housmarque and Bluepoint for even less than Insomniac.

phoenixwing1734d ago

at the two above me,
it's easy to sell for less when you know you're in good hands business and culture wise. I mean sure you could scratch out some extra money elsewhere but are all the people you know going to be taken care of when you get bought out? Sony takes care of them. Basically you can tell who's a scheming money scumbag by what ceo's/execs choose to be bought by. In the end money talks but there's extras to consider sometimes.

roadkillers1735d ago

I am as well. They do not own any IPs from my understanding...

DOMination-1735d ago

Me too! After looking them up, it seems like they were the parent of other game studios: Lab42, Red Kite, Sumo India, The Chinese Room and PixelAnt Games and also have some cryptocurrency technology.

They may also still hold the IP for back when they were Gremlin Interactive.. back in the Amiga days they were really a dev of some repute.

ScootaKuH1734d ago

Gremlin. Now there's a name that takes me back. Ocean as well.

Teflon021734d ago

They're not, it's likely them just throwing money around to make sure they have no opposition. Sumo is a valuable developer as they've assisted in alot of great games. They did LBP3, Sackboy, Sonic Transformed, I believe Assisted in both ModNation Racers and LBPK, Team Sonic racing, just to name the few off the top of my head that I own.

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IRetrouk1735d ago

I honestly thought ms or Sony would have nabbed them, seeing as they have worked for both on their respective ips, colour me surprised.

Bennibop1735d ago

It's a lot of money for a group with no ips, what would they have worked on to keep so many studios and staff employed. For now at least they continue working on ips for the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

IRetrouk1735d ago

Sony and ms have more than enough ips to keep em busy, the price would have been an issue though, that I agree with, just surprised is all🤷‍♂️

frostypants1734d ago (Edited 1734d ago )

Tencent doesn't exactly pride themselves on original IP anyway. They just steal someone else's. They only need developer drones.

Sephiroushin1734d ago

They have enough to make them busy but there is no point in buying the studio that high, they could just make the developers some offers and thats it... heck every single developer could just quit the studio and with what is tensen left? no point in buying a studio with no IP you dont own the developers

IRetrouk1734d ago

I already agreed that the price was high, still don't take away that they could have been used, and be useful to either ms or sony

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Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Preview/Hands on Impressions (BETA) - CG

Microsoft recently released their Xbox Cloud Gaming PC Beta which allows users the opportunity to stream Xbox games to their Windows 10 PCs or laptops. This follows on from being able to use the cloud gaming on mobile devices which works very well but is limited to the size of your screen. Having the option to play Xbox games with a larger display has its obvious benefits.

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Crackdown 3 8K 60 FPS - Possible at Low-Medium Settings with an RTX 3090

CG writes: Nvidia’s claims that the RTX 3090 can render games in 8K at 60 FPS, ring true for us in this video. We put the game Crackdown 3 through its paces with some interesting results.

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bunt-custardly2012d ago

If you've ever super-sampled anything you would know why it can make things look better.

bouzebbal2011d ago

Let's talk about powahhhh of da clawwdd for a second 🤣did they give up with this thing?

bunt-custardly2011d ago

Oh right, I didn't get the joke sorry, it just clicked. Hmm, is Crackdown 3 really that bad/universally hated especially as it's on gamepass?

SullysCigar2011d ago

My attempt at humour could have been clearer, in hindsight..!

Yeah, sadly Crackdown 3 had been hyped so hard and so long by Microsoft, that when it launched as a mediocre game, it got panned. It was mainly the broken promises about the power of the cloud I think that did it. This was the 'cloud power' poster child for years and it all amounted to nothing, which is a real shame, because if they'd realised their initial vision it could have been special.

bunt-custardly2011d ago

I do remember the original vision where entire buildings could be demolished but wasn't that feature relegated to the multiplayer mode? For me, Crackdown 3 comes across quite generic. I suppose if it had the full destruction in the story mode that would have been bad-ass. If Red Faction Guerrilla can do it why not CD?

FanboySpotter2011d ago

Crackdown 3 was made for crackdown fans. Hated by non crackdown fans. Enjoyed by crackdown fans.

MadLad2011d ago

I played it on PC for a little while via gamepass. It's not nearly as terrible as people would try to make it out to be, but it's the definition of a "meh" game.
There's fun to be had if you're bored.

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andy852011d ago

It's good it's possible but who would pick this over 4K60 on ultra? It would look far better

IanTH2011d ago

100%. This is obviously just showing what can be done with the current highest end hardware, rather than what should be. And if you're splashing out for an RTX 3090 over a 3080 for gaming (small performance delta if not using that huge buffer for productivity), then I guess you'll also consider splashing out for an 8k screen. And, I mean, you'll want to be able to do *something* with it lol.

outsider16242011d ago

Let's be honest here, even with extra high settings at 8k 120fps... it'll still look like crap. Sorry.

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